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You made your request in the wrong place - it is a new page, unrelated to any existing page. If you want to create a page then follow the links above and learn how to create a draft article. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the current page contains misrepresentations that need to be cleared up. It provides a narrative without context or historical nuance, which is deceptive by nature. Beluga29 (talk) 07:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What current page? You listed Zionism - Historical and Theological Origins which is a non-existent page 10mmsocket (talk) 07:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh I see the issue. it should have been for the page "Zionism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism Beluga29 (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! Right, so here's what you need to do. Zionism is protected so as a new editor you can't update it. So go to the article's talk page and submit an edit request. You need to be very specific - create multiple requests if necessary - for example "Please change 'Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit' to 'In the beginning Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit was coloured blue' and then give a reason, together with any supporting references. If you make one big post like you just did it will be rejected because it won't be clear what exactly you're asking to be changed. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just did that. Did I do it correctly? Also, I will publish a new page as well Beluga29 (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. That request will gain you nothing and just waste other people's time. I suggest you delete it. You need to post a request Talk:Zionism and as I said you need to be very very specific about what you are requesting to be changed. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or, an alternative strategy would be to start a discussion on the article's talk page to see if there can be agreement on what you are saying prior to any actual edits being made. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Wikipedia article on Zionism presents the movement primarily as a modern political development that emerged in the late 19th century. While it is true that political Zionism gained significant momentum during this period, this portrayal overlooks the deep historical and theological roots of Zionism that trace back to the Hebrew Bible. Zionism, in its most fundamental sense, is the Jewish people's connection to the Land of Israel, originating from the covenant between God and Abraham in the Book of Genesis. This connection has been an integral part of Jewish identity for millennia. Biblical Foundations of Zionism The Covenant with Abraham The foundation of Zionism is established in the Book of Genesis, where God forms an eternal covenant with Abraham: - "On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, 'To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.'" (Genesis 15:18, NIV) - "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. And I will give to you and to your descendants after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." (Genesis 17:7-8, NASB) These passages underscore that the land was promised as an everlasting possession, indicating an eternal bond between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel. The Promise Renewed Through Isaac and Jacob The covenant is reaffirmed with Isaac and Jacob, reinforcing its perpetual nature: - To Isaac: "Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you, for to you and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will establish the oath which I swore to your father Abraham." (Genesis 26:3, NASB) - To Jacob: "The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your descendants." (Genesis 28:13, NASB) Historical Continuity of Jewish Presence and Yearning Continuous Presence Despite exiles and dispersions, there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel: - Historian Martin Gilbert notes, "Jews have lived in Palestine (the Land of Israel) continuously for nearly four thousand years."* (Gilbert, "Israel: A History", 1998) Yearning for Return The aspiration to return to Zion is a central theme in Jewish liturgy and tradition: - The Psalms capture this longing: "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion." (Psalm 137:1, NIV) - Daily prayers include petitions for the return to Jerusalem and the restoration of the Temple. - The Passover Seder concludes with the declaration, "Next year in Jerusalem!" Rabbinic Literature and Medieval Writings Rabbinic texts emphasize the importance of the Land of Israel: - The Talmud states, "All who live in the Land of Israel are as if they have a God, and all who live outside the Land are as if they do not have a God." (Ketubot 110b) Medieval Jewish philosophers and poets, such as Rabbi Yehuda Halevi, expressed profound connections to the land: - In his work "Kuzari", Halevi advocates for the spiritual significance of residing in Israel. Misrepresentation of Zionism as Solely a Modern Movement While modern political Zionism, spearheaded by figures like Theodor Herzl, emerged in response to European anti-Semitism, it was built upon the enduring historical and spiritual connections to the Land of Israel. - The First Zionist Congress in 1897 did not invent Zionism but rather organized the longstanding aspirations into a political framework. - Scholar Shlomo Avineri writes, "Herzl did not create the movement; he gave voice to an existing national consciousness." (Avineri, "Herzl's Vision", 2014) Conclusion The portrayal of Zionism solely as a modern political movement neglects its profound historical and theological foundations. From the covenant with Abraham to the continuous yearning expressed throughout centuries, Zionism embodies the Jewish people's eternal connection to the Land of Israel. Recognizing this deep-rooted relationship is essential for an accurate understanding of Zionism's true essence. References - The Holy Bible, New International Version (NIV) and New American Standard Bible (NASB) - Gilbert, Martin. "Israel: A History." Doubleday, 1998. - The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Ketubot - Halevi, Judah. "The Kuzari." - Avineri, Shlomo. "Herzl's Vision: Theodor Herzl and the Foundation of the Jewish State." BlueBridge, 2014. - The Book of Psalms Beluga29 (talk) 07:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a nonstarter. We do not cite religious texts barring direct quotes or claims no reasonable person would dispute; what you have written is basically your attempt to interpret the verses in question and is disallowed. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 08:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not offering my interpretations; I was offering cited and referenced texts. This is no different to quoting a historian or reference source. Beluga29 (talk) 08:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can check the sources for direct quotations. Beluga29 (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You won't win if you go up against Wikipedia rules and consensus. They are immovable objects and the only one to come off badly as a result of any conflict will be you. The best course for you is to find sources that are acceptable (read WP:RS) while also understanding those that are unacceptable (read WP:RSNP). Find the sources that support your change then come back and make a specific and succinct request stating "Please change 'xxx' to 'yyy', here is my source". 10mmsocket (talk) 14:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]