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| ::::::::Perhaps. I still say that a more permenant solution needs to happen and I believe I did everything I could to give the community a chance to put one forward. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 18:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | ::::::::Perhaps. I still say that a more permenant solution needs to happen and I believe I did everything I could to give the community a chance to put one forward. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 18:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::::As you probably know, I've often secretly chided you for being too lenient. But you've been bold now and your were walking on eggs when you made this block; there will be people who agree with it and those who won't. Those who won't are probably mostly the ones who go around Misplaced Pages sowing this perpetual anti-admin paranoia that is doing more harm to the project than all us admins could do together if we tried. Those who agree with you will say (at least to themselves), "Well, someone had to do it, but I'm glad it wasn't me". ] (]) 19:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | :::::::::As you probably know, I've often secretly chided you for being too lenient. But you've been bold now and your were walking on eggs when you made this block; there will be people who agree with it and those who won't. Those who won't are probably mostly the ones who go around Misplaced Pages sowing this perpetual anti-admin paranoia that is doing more harm to the project than all us admins could do together if we tried. Those who agree with you will say (at least to themselves), "Well, someone had to do it, but I'm glad it wasn't me". ] (]) 19:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Cyberpower678
Are you aware that User:C678, who has you listed as a mentor, has had problems at their talk page, ANI: Bot gone wild, ANI: Cyberbot II take 2, and Bots/Requests for approval so far?Sammy D III (talk) 20:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- I've been rather lax on my mentoring over the past year, since working on Arbcom. I wasn't aware that it had got so bad, I'll drop him a note. Worm(talk) 07:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- It's a big place, your name was right there, forest through the trees. Too bad nobody noticed your name a couple of weeks ago. Someone to trust when facing the entire world. Thank you very much.Sammy D III (talk) 12:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Manchester meetup
Newsflash! The location of this weekend's Manchester meetup has been moved back to Wetherspoons on Princess Street - the Ducie Arms isn't open on Sundays! Can you believe that?! Bazonka (talk) 18:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- But Ducie had cheap parking! Grrrrrr Thanks for telling us. Worm(talk) 19:41, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- Park there anyway! If they're not open, there's unlikely to be anyone policing the car park (although you should check anyway). Thanks ツ Jenova20 19:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- It's not the Ducie's parking, it's the university's... plus it's a fair old walk to the new pub. We've got our Manchester parking spot, don't worry... but it does mean we'll have to pay an extra 50p. Grumble grumble. Worm(talk) 07:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- Park there anyway! If they're not open, there's unlikely to be anyone policing the car park (although you should check anyway). Thanks ツ Jenova20 19:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- 50P can't buy anything good anyway ツ Jenova20 08:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know. You complain when we go somewhere new, and then you complain when we go somewhere old. Sheesh! (Wetherspoons is probably cheaper than the Ducie though, so you should make your 50p back.) Bazonka (talk) 19:26, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
- 50P can't buy anything good anyway ツ Jenova20 08:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I've been robbed!
Copying is the sincerest form of flattery. Or something like that anyway. Thanks ツ Jenova20 08:18, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Books and Bytes: The Misplaced Pages Library Newsletter
Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013
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Indef block on WP:AN
Not that I suppose you care much, but yes, I did notice. ANI really works weirdly sometimes. Look at the timestamps here: . And yet I'd swear on a stack of bibles that your post wasn't there when I saved mine, and I didn't get an edit conflict. Just mentioning it. Bishonen | talk 16:06, 29 October 2013 (UTC).
- Tis ok, Misplaced Pages does silly things sometimes ;) Worm(talk) 16:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- And so do Misplaced Pages editors. Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously, Worm, I do not believe that "enough is enough" is enough. Indefinite blocks are for very specific purposes, and no purpose was served by this one. "you impotent sanctimonious arse hole" and "why don't you just fuck off"--that's what got him from three months (already draconion and out of measure) to indefinite? Cooler heads should prevail in this kind of situation, and that extension won't cool anything down; honestly, the more I think about it the more puzzled I am. The three-month block was just punitive, but yours doesn't even have the benefit of righteous anger. Blocks are supposed to prevent drama and disruption, aren't they? Let me propose a thought experiment: what if you had undone Fram's block? Would we have more disruption or less than we do know? Crazy experiment, no doubt, but this liberal use of the block button reminds me of a proverb about someone holding hammers and seeing nothing but nails. I supported your RfA and B and I can't remember having ever questioned a decision you made, but there's a first time for everything I suppose. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Drmies, I appreciate your comments. I'm on my phone at the moment it will address these comments in a short while. Worm(talk) 18:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Worm, you don't have to--I think I'm just venting--something I just admonished one or two others for. I'm really trying to step away and log off and do something else for a while. I'm sure you had a good reason for doing what you did; you don't need me to question you; my apologies. Don't interrupt a phone call, and don't let me redirect your attention from what's really important right now, which is the cooling of heads and the finding of a solution, if a solution can be found. I got nothing, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Anyone and everyone are always welcome to vent here, especially regarding my actions! The three month block that Fram imposed was wrong. It wouldn't help the situation, it wouldn't improve things in the long term. Eric himself said that defined blocks wouldn't change him (though I'll need to look up the diff). However, Eric did need to be blocked for a while to get some sort of solution together. If we (as the community) can come up with a solution, which either Eric can agree to or he can't - then we might actually have a permenant solution. So indefinite is the right length here. I'm not angry, I'm not offended by Eric's comments I just believed that the situation was untenable and shutting it down for discussion might ... just might... help. I'm willing to face the music on that. Worm(talk) 18:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don't doubt your motives, Worm, but think of it this way: an indefblock doesn't just shut things down for conversation: it fundamentally changes the debate. One one level, it changes the debate by disallowing the blocked editor from participating (even though it was unlikely that Eric would've joined it anyway). On another, it changes the default outcome of the debate: it changes it from "Do we block this guy or let things be?" to "Do we unblock this guy or let things be?" It changes the default outcome. On a third, althoguh I know you don't subscribe to this view, there are others who equate an indefblock with a ban (see also the people on AN who said that Eric was already banned). The instinctive assumption becomes "this guy is a bad egg", and it shifts the burden of proof to the people who disagree with that, and I don't think that's fair; the burden of proof should be on the people who do think the guy is a bad egg. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps. I still say that a more permenant solution needs to happen and I believe I did everything I could to give the community a chance to put one forward. Worm(talk) 18:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- As you probably know, I've often secretly chided you for being too lenient. But you've been bold now and your were walking on eggs when you made this block; there will be people who agree with it and those who won't. Those who won't are probably mostly the ones who go around Misplaced Pages sowing this perpetual anti-admin paranoia that is doing more harm to the project than all us admins could do together if we tried. Those who agree with you will say (at least to themselves), "Well, someone had to do it, but I'm glad it wasn't me". Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps. I still say that a more permenant solution needs to happen and I believe I did everything I could to give the community a chance to put one forward. Worm(talk) 18:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don't doubt your motives, Worm, but think of it this way: an indefblock doesn't just shut things down for conversation: it fundamentally changes the debate. One one level, it changes the debate by disallowing the blocked editor from participating (even though it was unlikely that Eric would've joined it anyway). On another, it changes the default outcome of the debate: it changes it from "Do we block this guy or let things be?" to "Do we unblock this guy or let things be?" It changes the default outcome. On a third, althoguh I know you don't subscribe to this view, there are others who equate an indefblock with a ban (see also the people on AN who said that Eric was already banned). The instinctive assumption becomes "this guy is a bad egg", and it shifts the burden of proof to the people who disagree with that, and I don't think that's fair; the burden of proof should be on the people who do think the guy is a bad egg. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Anyone and everyone are always welcome to vent here, especially regarding my actions! The three month block that Fram imposed was wrong. It wouldn't help the situation, it wouldn't improve things in the long term. Eric himself said that defined blocks wouldn't change him (though I'll need to look up the diff). However, Eric did need to be blocked for a while to get some sort of solution together. If we (as the community) can come up with a solution, which either Eric can agree to or he can't - then we might actually have a permenant solution. So indefinite is the right length here. I'm not angry, I'm not offended by Eric's comments I just believed that the situation was untenable and shutting it down for discussion might ... just might... help. I'm willing to face the music on that. Worm(talk) 18:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Worm, you don't have to--I think I'm just venting--something I just admonished one or two others for. I'm really trying to step away and log off and do something else for a while. I'm sure you had a good reason for doing what you did; you don't need me to question you; my apologies. Don't interrupt a phone call, and don't let me redirect your attention from what's really important right now, which is the cooling of heads and the finding of a solution, if a solution can be found. I got nothing, I'm afraid. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Drmies, I appreciate your comments. I'm on my phone at the moment it will address these comments in a short while. Worm(talk) 18:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- And so do Misplaced Pages editors. Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously, Worm, I do not believe that "enough is enough" is enough. Indefinite blocks are for very specific purposes, and no purpose was served by this one. "you impotent sanctimonious arse hole" and "why don't you just fuck off"--that's what got him from three months (already draconion and out of measure) to indefinite? Cooler heads should prevail in this kind of situation, and that extension won't cool anything down; honestly, the more I think about it the more puzzled I am. The three-month block was just punitive, but yours doesn't even have the benefit of righteous anger. Blocks are supposed to prevent drama and disruption, aren't they? Let me propose a thought experiment: what if you had undone Fram's block? Would we have more disruption or less than we do know? Crazy experiment, no doubt, but this liberal use of the block button reminds me of a proverb about someone holding hammers and seeing nothing but nails. I supported your RfA and B and I can't remember having ever questioned a decision you made, but there's a first time for everything I suppose. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Notification of Arbitration request
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