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I am a Yorkshireman living in the Western Highlands of Scotland. I mainly edit things related to Scotland, Yorkshire, Europe, Politics, Geopolitics, History, Film/TV, and Football.
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Template:Largest cities of Kosovo

The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Hi,

I noticed that you reverted another editor at Template:Largest cities of Kosovo (diff). Will you please be so kind what exactly did you meant when you wrote "consistency" in the edit line?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Something to do with pink elephants and green sheep. I think it pretty blatantly obvious what was meant. IJA (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
No, I think that has something to do with refusing to answer good faith questions from other editors--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Well let me state the obvious for you. Perhaps we should keep the place names consistent in one language until we have a CONSENSUS to do otherwise? Did you really need Sherlock Holmes to work that one out for you Dr Watson? IJA (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Name-calling is direct rudeness and violation of Misplaced Pages:Civility.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
If it offends you so much, then report me to an Admin Dr Watson. IJA (talk) 23:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
To what admin?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:47, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Any Admin which cares about the so-called "Name-calling". Please feel free to log an incident here at: 'Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents' for my apparent "direct rudeness and violation of Misplaced Pages:Civility". Regards IJA (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do you "so called". You did call me Dr. Watson, didn't you?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I did call you Dr Watson, I don't dispute or deny that. However you said that I was 'Name-calling' which is a fallacy. 'Name-calling' = Verbal abuse; insulting language IJA (talk) 00:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Is name-calling when you call someone something other than their name with intention to hurt or discredit them or their position?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes it is, but I didn't do that. You don't have a sense of humour do you? I called you Dr Watson (Sherlock Holmes's sidekick) after refering to myself as Sherlock Holmes. Now if you have a problem, go inform an Admin. I will not continue to participate in this bizarre discussion. IJA (talk) 12:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Please respect WP:NPA and comment on content, not on the contributor. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
What content am I supposed to comment on when you're making accusations against me? If you think I've violated Misplaced Pages:Civility and WP:NPA, then go report it at WP:ANI. IJA (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The subject of this discussion was the aforementioned ""consistency" in the edit line". Not "pink elephants and green sheep", not Sherlock Holmes, not Dr Watson nor me. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Then don't make false accusations about me and stick to the content yourself. Also there is no Misplaced Pages policy or guideline against including humour or sarcasm on the talk pages. If you have any other issues/ concerns, please take it up with WP:ANI as this conversation has now ended and I will be deleting anything else you post in this discussion. IJA (talk) 17:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Consistency?

You reverted my edit at Template:Largest cities of Kosovo with the edit summary Consistency. I fail to see the consistency in using other names than the target article names. Please explain in the template talk page. Another user opened a discussion there several days ago. Since then, s/he and two other editors have been reverted without anyone taking part in the discussion s/he initiated. Regards! --T*U (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

See above. IJA (talk) 22:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I do not quite feel that the strange exchange above quite answers my question. --T*U (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Livescores and live updates

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I have seen your edits at 2013–14 Sheffield United F.C. season and that live updating are not accepted. Based on Misplaced Pages policies and guidlines we should not provide livescores and live updates. This based on WP:LIVESCORES and WT:FOOTY consensus at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live scoring and it has also been discussed many more times. This also applies to tables and list such as top goalscorers, squad statistics and other match info, which you can also read about at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 81#Live updates (again). Please wait until matches are finished before adding the statistics. Misplaced Pages is not for livescoring and should wait for update until sources are updated. Thank you. QED237 (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Misplaced Pages, ignore it." Also I do wait until sources are updated. IJA (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

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Concerns

Your insistance on forcing historically inaccurate names into the text of Kosovo football articles is quite disturbing. Furthermore, your violation of WP:Civil is completely uncalled for and says more about you than it does about me. Knowingly inserting pseudohistorical place names is a big no-no. In fact, it's like referring to Titograd in 1965 as Podgorica and writing that the capital of Rhodesia was Harare and not Salisbury. I don't see you making such moves on articles concerning such places, which leads me to believe you are editing Balkan-related topics simply to push an Albanian POV. 23 editor (talk) 19:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

There has not been a name change for Gjakova in the English language unlike Podgorica and Harare. Both name have been used historically in the English language. There is no Consensus to use Serbian name pre-2008. IJA (talk) 19:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, the entire premise for renaming said articles was that the official name changed post independence (according to your friends, that is). 23 editor (talk) 19:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

English language media has certainly preferred Albanian names post 2008. That doesn't mean we can't use them before 2008. IJA (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

From Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names): "Within articles, places should generally be referred to by the same name as is used in their article title, or a historic name when discussing a past period. Use of one name for a town in 2000 does not determine what name we should give the same town in 1900 or in 1400, nor the other way around. Many towns, however, should keep the same name; it is a question of fact, of actual English usage, in all cases. For example, when discussing the city now called Istanbul, Misplaced Pages uses Byzantium in ancient Greece, and Constantinople for the capital of the Byzantine Empire. Similarly, use Stalingrad when discussing the city now called Volgograd in the context of World War II." 23 editor (talk) 19:54, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Stop comparing to cities which have had a name change. This isn't the same. Both names are currently acceptable and both names have historically been used. In Yugoslavian times, the city was called Đakovica in Serbo-Croatian and Gjakova in Albanian. IJA (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Albanian wasn't an official language in Yugoslav times, was it? On the contrary, only Serbo-Croatian, Macedonian and Slovene were. 23 editor (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

It was in Kosovo during certain periods. Anyway, both names were used historically in the English language. IJA (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

How about you put your money where your mouth is and show me some good old-fashioned, reliable English-language proof from...let's say 1990 and earlier. 23 editor (talk) 20:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Putting my money where my mouth is IJA (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

80% of these books are Albanian. You do realize that? 23 editor (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect, it selects English language books only; that is why it clear says "English" under language. Out of interest, where did you get that 80% figure from? Which part of your mind generated that fake statistic? IJA (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
  • In this comment (diff) you emphasized that Gjakova is common name in post 2009 works. Now you contradict yourself.
  • Please don't use Google Ngrams to dispute Đakovica because you know very well that Google Ngrams can not search Đakovica.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:48, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I do not deny that I said it is the common name post 2009. That doesn't mean we can't use it prior to 2009. Also I didn't use NGram to search "Đakovica". IJA (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

@IJA: I don't mean Albanian-language per se. I mean Albanian (authors, nationalists, points-of-view, publications, etc.) In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you pointed me to an article written by Joseph DioGuardi in 1990 and called it "proof" that Albanian variants were commonly used in the English language while Yugoslavia was still intact. Ridiculous. 23 editor (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

You've just confirmed that you've lied to me with that response. Thank you. Also if 80% were Albanian, why would someone;s race/ ethnicity change things. I consider that to be racist! IJA (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Please stop

Edit-warring on articles such as Aleksandar Tijanić or Ardian Kozniku. Idiotic debates over article titles for cities which have more than one name in several languages are nothing new to Misplaced Pages (see Gdansk and Danzig or any of about a dozen cities with Croatian/Italian names in Istria), and adding a fresh layer of Balkan bickering hardly helps alleviate the situation. Places in Kosovo have always had Serbian and Albanian variants. During Yugoslavia Serbo-Croatian was the official languages which means the former ones were also used by everyone else in Yugoslavia. And even today in the Republic of Kosovo both languages are official. So where you got the idea that only the Albanian ones should be used is beyond me. Timbouctou (talk) 23:04, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Both names are official and have been official for some time. But we have to abide WP:CommonName in the English Language. IJA (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
WP:COMMONNAME is not written in stone and there are many exceptions to this rule. Your edit-warring is pointless. Timbouctou (talk) 23:16, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, your edit warring is obviously superior to my pointless edit warring *sarcasm*. IJA (talk) 23:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
And your own sentence "I do not deny that I said it is the common name post 2009. That doesn't mean we can't use it prior to 2009." fits your edit-warring at Aleksandar Tijanić (1949) or Ardian Kozniku (1967) how? Timbouctou (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I confirmed something, so what? What does their years of birth have to do with the price of cheese? Both names were used historically back then. Per article title! IJA (talk) 23:25, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
If both names were used back then (although Albanian version was not used nearly as commonly as the Serbo-Croat one, nor did it have an equally "official" status), then why do you insist on only the Albanian variant? Timbouctou (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
When is "then"? The fact is both names were used back "then" and we should use the most recognisable name so it is easier for the majority of English speakers to understand and recognise when using this encyclopaedia. Not what people from the former Yugoslavia deem to be most recognisable. IJA (talk) 23:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
"Then" is 1949 and 1967. But you don't seem to be able to make that connection. Back "then" both names were in use. Maybe several more in fact. But only one variant was used officially in all atlases, charts, publications and documents published in Yugoslavia. And that was the Serbo-Croatian version (the people you are edit-warring over had actual Yugoslav passports issued which only stated S-C names of their birthplaces in it). And arguing that "Gjakova" is recognizable at all to an average English reader is pretty far fetched. This is not Cologne vs. Koln. Timbouctou (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure several million Albanians do speak English. I'm sure it is more recognizable to them. Is it historically accurate to use Gjakova for an article describing events in, let's say, 1970? Of course not. It's like calling the United States the thirteen Colonies or calling Germany the Third Reich. What sense does it make? 23 editor (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

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