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	I've been working steadily on the ] article and I think its close to FAC status. Is there anything further I should do? Also, I wanted to add 2 or 3 more images (Roy Batty holding a dove; Tyrell dimming the sun; and a Bootleg CD cover). Or is that too many images/inappropriate to display a bootleg CD cover? I also intend to shrink and move the large image near the bottom into the issues section if allowed to insert the bootleg cover. - ]] <sup>]</sup> 21:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
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	Can you provide source for the edit on ]? (the one about threat of Red Army). AFAIK Czechoslovakia and Poland initially started negotiation. Prime minister and foreign affairs minister of Czechoslovakia were asked to come to Moscow and Stalin personally forbade futher negotiations (instead he promised aid - 400,000, later 600,000 tons of grain, paid by uranium ore). I never read about threat of intervention - politicians of Czechoslovakia was already servile enough to USSR. ] 10:48, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

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	: Well, at least for Czechoslovakia there was no need to threaten, they were just ordered and they did what they were said. So the word "all" in article doesn't fit well. I would even guess that no ability to make independent decisions applied to other countries of former Eastern Bloc - so explicit threatening with arms was not needed. ] 11:08, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
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	Prośba techniczna: czy mógłbyś ] przenieść do ] (ponad redirem)? Byłbym wdzięczny. ]] 20:54, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
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	I invite your vote and comments on ]. ] 17:59, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
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	==Chris==

	Moglbys jako operator cos powiedziec dla ] by nie wstawial wszedzie niemieckich nazw miast? Nadinterpretuje wynik glosowania i wszedzie je wciska, nie chce mi sie z nim szaprac, Dzieki.--] 19:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

	A tak na marginesie, glosowanie nad uzywaniem nazwy, nie przebieglo zgodnie z regulami wikipedii. Chris byl organizatorem, sedzia i teraz robi za kata. Wykluczyl 12 glosow (pro-Gdansk) ktore by zmienily wynik glosowania. Nie istnieje zadna oficjalna regula na wikipedii ktora mowi ze uzytkownicy z mala liczna "editow" nie moga brac udzial w glosowaniach.--] 20:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

	Ponownie pododawal niemieckie nazwy, uzywa jakiegos bota, bo robi to w pare minut w 10-tkach artykulow, zobacz na jego historie . Robi co mu sie podoba...--] 23:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

	:Hi. Thanks for your calm voice and understanding. The problem is tricky, and I think there is no solution that is accepted by all. The vote on the double naming for Gdansk/Danzig had more than a 2/3 majority (46 to 19), and the general double naming was also accepted with more than 2/3 (44 to 17). This is i think as clear of a vote as we can get on this issue. I can understand that polish people know these places only under the polish name, but internationally these polish names are not yet widely known. Even for big cities like gdansk the name is not yet universally known in the english speaking world (although this is changing). Personally, I also have no problem with german locations getting a polish name if there is a historical overlap. Could you talk with Witkacy again about this issue? Also, I would be quite curious what the text above means. Guess Witkacy doesn't like me. Thanks -- ] ] 23:03, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
	::There have been votes on how to count votes before, with a proposed required number of edits anywhere between 0 and 200 edits. (somewhere on the admin talk pages). So far no concrete result has come out of this, and the majority voted to decide on a case by case basis according to the disgression of the admin. If you want to start a vote about this, I would be more than happy to participate (My goal: 200 edits before being able to vote). But it is absolutely common practice to ignore votes of voters with a very low edit count, and in the Gdansk vote, many voters had NO edits esides the vote pages. Of course, depending on the exact limits implemented, the exact outcome will change. When the vote was held a lot of admins looked at it, and no one disagreed with the counting of the votes. I believe Halibutts and Spacecadets edits to be malicious and only there to start trouble, hence I am reverting the edits. With the spelling error, the only one i could find with the latest change was the polish character in gdansk. Now, is Gdansk or Gdańsk the correct spelling in english? I think the first one, but I don't care either way. Again, thanks for your calm voice, it is good to have a neutral and polish admin here at the english Wiki. Let me know if you start a vote on the vote count -- ] ] 09:40, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

	== ] FAC ==
	Thanks for coming to that page. I wish to ask you what sections do you think were short in the article. I do need to beef up the bios a bit, and I think the lead is just fine. Thanks. ] ] 15:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
	:I made changes to it and I was wondering if you wish to peek at it again. I just want to be sure if all objections have been met. ] ] 14:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

	== Żywy brudas ==

	Ciekawostka, na ] toczą się teraz równolegle trzy postępowania przeciw Zivinbudasowi: , i . W tej ostatniej chodzi o "bliżej nieznanego anonima", ale admini rozważają ''range ban'', co chyba jest niezłym pomysłem. Rzucisz okiem? ]] 15:14, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

	:Hmmmm, chyba się pomyliłem. Już nie taki żywy. :) ]]

	:::Mam dość. Na razie przygotowałem częściowy szkic RfA ]. Dołączysz? ]] 00:52, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

	== Polish September Campaign - Pics ==

	In order of appearance - the following pics are problematic:

	Clear problems:
	"bzura.jpg" no source, just stating it is in the public domain. I could not find this picture anywhere on the internet to veryfy public domain status - normally pictures without source or explanation for their public domain status are subject to deletion on wikipedia => unless source found, delete/replace. Same reasoning for
	"PZL P.11c.jpg"
	"Ac.corridor.jpg"
	"Ribbentrop Molotow.jpg"
	"Warsaw siege4.jpg"
	"Cios w Plecy Dziennik Chicagoski 19 Wrzesien 1939.jpg" (Poland prior 1994 without copyright notice?)
	"Warsaw siege1.jpg"
	"Warsaw siege3.jpg"
	"German Troops In Warsaw.jpg" -> as described under FAC (if Riefenstahl made this photo - it is certainly not public domain unless expressly released into public domain)
	"German Soviet.jpg" - the source points to the US Memorial History Museum with a copyright tag -> this is a clear copyvio

	Less clear problem:
	"7TP.jpg": I do not know the copyright laws in Poland and cannot confirm the public domain statement to older polish fotographs published without a copyright notice - however with Poland being an EU member state since 2004, I just want to point to the fact that the 1995-EU-copyright-regulation should be enacted into law as of now (stating 70 years copyright duration for pictures made by professional photographers after their death - retroactive because Spain had long copyright durations) - however as I am not an expert here: no objection to the pic (same reasoning for "TKS.jpg", "Pzl37b.jpg", "Lublin Rxiii.jpg")

	Conclusion: The pictures stated under "clear problems" should either be excluded from the article or the copyright status should be explained. ] 18:53, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

	: I explained the situation of some of those pics. Others still need attention. In some cases I simply did not remember what was the book I saw them in; in two cases the same pics were available through the ], which is a State-owned institute and publishing the state-owned archives is one of it's statute aims (See ''Institute of National Remembrance Act, Chapter 6, Article 53, cases 2 and 4''). If the institute published those pics without any copyright notice or disclaimer, then those should be treated as heritage of mankind, hence I assumed that the PD tag would be the best for them. However, if that's not the case, I could try to find those books and then change the license to PD-Poland.

	: ] expanded info
	: ] corrected the tag
	: ] corrected the tag
	: ] - tag needs to be changed since the pic was published in 1937 and the non-retroactive Copyright Act was passed in ]; pre-war Polish copyright laws should apply
	: ] - expanded info
	: ] - slightly expanded, though I can't tell whether it's enough or not.
	: -- ]] 20:01, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

	I added my comment on the FAC page - supporting the article. As I pointed out there, I am not one of the copyright paranoids who delete every image that they just don't like, I was merely pointing out that some pictures should have sources/explanation for their public domain/fair use status. ] 13:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

	== VfD: Nazi or German Occupation? ==

	Może Cię zainteresuje:
	--]] 19:24, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	With a little work, this could be your 11th FA. :) --] 03:46, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

	== ] ==

	To a great extent, I think we're very different kinds of editors with very differing POVs, especially concerning history, but I feel that this could be turned into something very creative when it comes to improving ]. Not that I think we should go at it all alone, but what I've seen of your work so far, gives me confidence that you're aware of issues of verifiability and neutrality. How would you feel about ''really'' concentrating on the article and trying to our best to make it the model summary of a very broad and extensive topic?

	] 12:46, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

	==Military history of Puerto Rico==

	Hello again! Some major improvements have been made to the article. I've also eliminated the link within the article as you suggested and added three more references to support the casualtiy numbers. I hope that you like it and that it receives your approval. Take care, ]

	I'm back again! At least I don't give up, right? Anyway I just wanted to inform you that I've added "inline references" to the article. To tell you the truth I was totally clueless about them but, user MAv showed me how it was done and bingo. I hope that you reconsider your minor objection, a weak support would be fine (smile). Anyway take care ]

	==Gall Anonim==

	Moglbys cofnac wersje anonima ktory wandalizuje pl artykuly i ktory zmalal dzis ponownie 3rr na ]. Prosilem by strone zablokowano, pojawil sie pan admin ryszard ktory to zrobil, ale jakos mu sie nie chcialo cofnac wersji anona - co jest chyba normalne gdy ktos zlamie regule trzech cofniec. Dzieki--] 08:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

	:Ratunku! Ja już nie wyrabiam :) Mógłbyś zerknąć na ]? Kolejny rewizjonista... ]] 01:04, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

	== History of Poland ==

	Hmmm... po prostu wykonałem część planu z sekcji "to do" na stronie ]. Trzeba będzie jeszcze podzielić następny okres na dwa i przestaną na siebie zachodzić. A rediry wszystkie (chyba) naprawiłem od razu. ]] 11:22, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

	:Kolejna galeria: ] ]] 01:23, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

	::Wybacz, myślałem że już Ci pisałem w liście że mój komputer jest zepsuty. Mogę się logować jedynie sporadycznie, albo z komputera w pracy, jeśli mam chwilę wolną (nieczęsto ostatnio, zamknięcie numeru w poniedziałek), albo z komputera matki (która broni mi doń dostępu). Więc na wiki ostatnio jestem nieczęsto i zazwyczaj tylko na chwilę. ]] 20:02, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

	== The "missing" Count... ==

	Hi Piotrus: Thanks for your note on my talk page. I have been online for a while now and I have to log off, and will be away this weekend. I have read and seen some Jewish English books about the subject, but it will have to wait till next week for me to bring them over. And yes, the Jewish Encyclopedia is extremly reliable. By the way, I do NOT subscribe to the view that either Moses or Jesus were "myths", why should I? Just because a bunch of professors had a few meetings and decided to debunk the Bible and God. You know that old line, that above a urinal someone had scratched the words "God is dead --- ]" ...and just below it someone else scratched the retort "Nietzche is dead --- God". To believe that people emerged from monkeys is a far greater myth. But no need to go so far back in time. Just think about it, why would Catholic Poland and the mighty Catholic church want to keep alive a story of one of their own who abandoned them to become a "Zhid" of all things? Same reason the ancient Egyptians would remove any talk that the God of the Hebrews had screwed their Pharaoh. I will get back to the article soon I hope. Be well, and don't "believe" everything you read! There may be some professional ] at work too within those tomes. ] 11:06, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

	== Serfdom ==

	You did a nice job on the ] article. ] 21:41, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

	==Bombing of Dresden in World War II==

	I do not think that you and I are miles apart. But
	* you must give sources for this article as it is very contentious.
	* I think it is better to keep the opening section short to stop PVO creep -- as we used to have "IT was a war crime" "Not it was not" "Yes it was so and so said so" etc. -- But I also think it is useful to keep the intros short so that the TOC is close to the top. Most of the articles I work on are like this, and a couple you may be familar with are ] and ]. -- ] 17:24, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
	* I will add the population numbers over the next few days when time and children alow. Working on an obscure ] person (]) at the moment :-) ] 18:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

	==I added you on the following page==
	] you can remove yourself if you don't like it. ] 22:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

	== User:Zivinbudas ==

	I have now officially filed an arbitration request against ]. Since you were one of the parties disputing his behaviour, please join the ] discussion. ]] 04:09, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

	==Znasz moze==

	Ano widzialem ze kupe dobrej roboty zrobil ;) Z Rydlem poszlo o ] i absurdalne problemy narodowosci. Looknij na dyskusje, podalem cytaty Domeyki - wielki polski patriota, a zaluja mu polskosci. Rydla problemy sa nieco smieszne, typu: ''Polscy nacjonalisci, staraja sie zrobic z Polaka patrioty.., Polaka''!! ... :) Czasami odchodza ciekawe parodie na wikipedii: Zivinbudas znowu wyzywa nas tutaj wszystkich od nazistow, a sadzac po jego pogladach i wypowiedziach, sama Ewa Braun go mlekiem karmila ;)--] 16:20, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

	:Co do medalu - chyba tylko ja dostałem. Zasada w sumie słuszna, bo przecież nie o to chodzi, byśmy tu sobie stworzyli klub wzajemnej adoracji (choć to takie przyjemne... :) ).
	:Co do języków i Babel - niewiele mi bozia dała, ale szczęście do języków mam. Tak naprawdę gdzieś tak od trzeciego nie ma już większych problemów, zwłaszcza jeśli są podobne. Z językami słowiańskimi jest jeszcze prościej. Tak naprawdę moja znajomość większości z nich jest bierna, a porozumiewam się czymś, co nazywam dialektem pansłowiańskim. To taka zabawna mieszanka wszystkiego ze zdecydowaną przewagą czeszczyzny, staropolszczyzny i ukraińsko-rosyjskiego. Dla wszystkich Słowian brzmi to jednako niegramatycznie, ale dla wszystkich (za wyjątkiem Bułgarów) jest zrozumiałe. Prowadzi też czasem do śmiesznych sytuacji: w Słowenii kiedyś permanentnie brali mnie za Czecha. Panuje tam przekonanie, że ich język podobny jest jedynie do czeskiego, i jeśli ktoś ich rozumie i coś-tam duka, to musi być Czechem :) . Co do samej tabelki - myślałem czy by jej nie umieścić na stronie użytkownika, ale strasznie by mi dużo miejsca zjadła, a i tak nie umieściłem tam wszystkich języków, które rozumiem :). Na przykład właśnie skończyłem roczny kurs nahuatl, ale nie jestem pewien czy byłbym w stanie zrozumieć post pisany w tym języku. Głównie dlatego, że ćwiczyłem się wyłącznie na szesnastowiecznych tekstach. Ale czy to ważne gdzie umieszczam tabelkę z językami?
	:Co do mentitle - zabij mnie, nie wiem. Nie pamiętam ani po co mi to było, ani do czego służyło. Przypuszczam że mogło chodzić o jakieś zaszłości z Nico czy jemu podobnymi, ale głowy nie dam. Tak czy siak - nigdy chyba nawet tego szablonu nie użyłem.
	:Na koniec, co do mapki - bałem się że to powiesz. Bo widzisz, legendę robi się równie długo co całą mapkę... a potem trzeba ją zmieniać przy każdej wersji... a ja leniwy jestem :)
	:--]] 19:35, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
	==Polish Wikipedians' notice board==
	{{Shortcut\|]}} zapraszam.--] 13:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Arbitration Committee case opening ==

	] has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to ]. Thank you. -- ] ] 10:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Anti-Semitism in Poland ==
	Please take a look at the article and the ]. --] 19:26, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	Instead of adding more material to this deeply flawed and POV section which, as I mentioned in discussion, consitutes 14.5% of the whole article, why not to move parts of this to their proper places ], ], ], ], etc. At this rate, one quarter of the ] article will be soon about Polish A-S. Whait for HKT's XIX, XX, and XXI centuries entries. Don't you see that by doing so the author makes A-S issue mostly Polish issue? --] 21:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	:The intention was not at all to make "''A-S issue mostly Polish issue''." I reacted to the previous state of the "Anti-Semitism in Poland" section, which only discussed how nice Poland has always been for Jews. I would love an expansion on "A-S" for all other countries, as well, but I don't really have the time to do that. Nor do I have the time to add information on "XIX, XX, and XXI centuries." I don't mind having no section at all as much as I mind a blatantly skewed one. If '''all''' of the "A-S by country" sections would be removed from the "A-S" article, then I would think it appropriate to remove the section on Poland as well (and incorporate it into ]). P.S. Your efforts are helping a lot in these content/neutrality disputes. Keep up the good work! ] 02:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	HKT, I don't have any problem either with no A-S in Poland section or one with a couple of well-written and '''balanced''' sentences about both history of tolerance toward Jews and A-S in Poland pointing to ] and other relevant existing articles. Recently made changes in ] by, among others, ] make the quality of this article steadly improving. --] 08:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== 1632 ==

	so, you don't even list Eric in the SF section at the bottom of your main page, but you list RINGO!!?!?! For Shame!! ;-) Hi Piotr. ] 22:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	::Piotr, sarcasm. ] 04:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==Answer from Noel place==

	Yes I am feeling alright (well, exactly now not really after the football match we lost lol); I meant my own arguements where I given possible solutions and nobody of people in concern answered yet what solution out of those they would prefer. Understandably, for great number of people the current ''de facto'' situation where Polish names are added to '''every''' Lithuanian city even when they are completely unrelated and Lithuanian names are removed even from related towns is good. As Noel said in ] this is English wikipedia, there should be no place for such nationalism. ] 21:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Discution and vote about the Polish and Lithuanian city names ==

	http://en.wikipedia.org/Naming_conventions/Vote_on_city_naming , tell your opinion on the matter ] 22:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	:I would like your comments on my rough proposal in ]. ] 00:37, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Re: Mistake? ==

	The blanking was completely unintended. I had been trying to fix some spelling errors in ] (]), but I'm not quite sure what happened. Thank you for alerting me. <font color="#3D9140">]</font><font color="#215E21">]</font> 16:29, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

	==Welcome==
	Widzialem ze wstawiasz ''powitania'', moze byc dolaczyl ], link do polskiej kanciapy do ''powitan'' polskich uzytkownikow? Ja rowniez co jakis czas wstawiam linka gdy widze kogos nowego, za jakis czas sie rozkreci--] 21:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Wycieczka ==

	Hmmm... Nie, nigdy tam nie byłem, choć planuję w te wakacje wyskoczyć do Wilna, Rygi i Tallina. Ale raczej nie autokarem, bo pałam prawdziwą nienawiścią do wycieczek autokarowych. Jeśli będę jechał, to raczej stopem i pewnie jakoś w październiku. Masz ochotę? ]] 07:54, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

	==User:Halibutt==

	You're accusing me of disrupting Misplaced Pages to prove a point by blocking a user for a 3RR violation? Don't be ridiculous. (I must admit, I am intrigued as to what "point" exactly you think I'm trying to prove.) ] ] 22:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	And as for your last unblock reason: I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. I don't have to prove that the 3RR applies to a particular user. If he feels he has immunity, he can try to prove it to me. Otherwise he stays blocked. (You might also try re-reading the ], as you seem to be new to this. You can remove blocks if you feel they violated policy, but removing them because you feel they would be unhelpful or you think they were a bit harsh is not really the done thing. As the blocking admin I'm the one who makes that decision.) ] ] 22:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	Please don't unblock Halibutt. He is clearly disrupting Misplaced Pages with his unsupported changes. This is entirely a ] action, and he needs to knock it off. If Proteus wasn't blocking him, I would be. Your unblocking is suspect, and I am not hesitant to suggest it has to do with nationality. ]] 23:16, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
	*Oh, please. The vote was clear, and only those attempting to circumvent it can '''''possibly''''' think otherwise. Halibutt is pushing an agenda and trying to get around a clear vote. ]] 23:36, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

	You honestly don't think Halibutt has an agenda? He's trying to subvert the vote on Polish city naming by trying to apply it whenever he possibly can, to all unacceptable places, so that people will say, "Let's do away with the vote and only use Gdansk and Polish names in all case." ]] 19:07, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

	==Animation cats==
	You removed the "Animated television series"-cat from the ] article. While this in itself is understandable, it makes it impossible to find Noir from there. This is odd because Noir 'is' an animated television series. Adding "Anime"-cat as a subcat of "Animated television series"-cat is not possible, since a lot of anime were released as OVAs or as full feature movies. I'd appreciate your thoughts on a solution to this problem. Bye, ] 22:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	:Perhaps a solution would be to make both anime and animated tv series a subcategory to sth more general like ']' ? --] <sup>]</sup> 22:51, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	:Note - it is already like this. Shouldn't this be sufficient? Anybody interested can go 'up a level' to find anime or vice versa. Logic is: some anime are animated tv series but not all, so after a consideration I'd say my removal of this cat was wrong, but then it should be carefuly applied to many animes (all that fit that cat). --] <sup>]</sup> 22:54, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	I'll think on this for a while. In any case, I agree with you that if we cat Noir as "Animated television series", and we should decide to do this with other anime as well, we have to be careful not to accidentally miscat something as "Animated television series" when in fact it is not. Thanks for your insights, ] 23:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Collaboration? ==
	I rencently came across the Polish collaberation project and was very disapointed by two developments there. The sole use of Polish on the English encyclopedia, and discussing other users in a language they don't understand. I'd like you to read my post under English please. Please take action within 24hrs. -] 00:35, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
	:The difference is it is not a user page, its a public space. Many of us read talk pages, but ultimately we don't have the right to know what's being said that's different on a public space. If Lithuanian and Russian is being used in public spaces on en.wikipedia then the same applies for them that does for Polish. I have no problem with Polish being spoken on user pages, or in the instance someone can't speak English, but that's not the case here. Quebec and Russia use Enlgish on their collaborations, Poland should too. Many people won't take kindly to not being able to read a public space on thier language's wikipedia, and I don't see that's in your projects interest. The fact that users who don't speak Polish are being talked about will only make matters worse, especially since it's a collaboration project. Online translators help and I've found a fairly good one for Polish. Online traslaors are only good for help, however: thier vocabulary is limited, they don't recognize false cognates, they screw up verb tenses— ultimately a human touch is needed. I strongly urge someone to translate the piece about the user, I consider the response to my request action, so I'll wait longer than the intial 24hrs. I won't wait forever, if its not translated I have an ethical obligation to notify the users being discussed. If it is translated, meaning they can understand it, then they can find it themselves. -] 22:47, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
	::I'll accept that. BTW, I had a postive encounter with user ] I think she (I think she's a she, my apologies if male) has potential here. :) I would think a request to Witkacy, from you would have more weight than one from me and possibly be better reccieved. -] 23:01, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

	==Kennan==
	I think I've resolved your objection at ]. Let me know, since time for the nomination seems to be running out. Thanks. ] 02:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Featured Article Removal Candidates ==

	I've removed your FARC nominated candidates. The rules have been changed and the new rules are put up on that page. This was mentioned in Village pump (policy) and (news) and went into effect on June 4. Please list new candidates only after following the new steps. This was done to prevent whimsical nominations.  <font color="#0082B8">=] (])=</font> 07:56, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

	:1) Sorry about the Aryan Invasion Theory, my mistake. 2) ''"allowing bad article to stay and acting contrary to the FARC spirit''". No, I am not in the habit of keeping bad articles. I removed the nominations because the rules had changed. You were informed so that you could list your complete objections on the article talk page, as you had reviewed the page. I had also made a remark on the removal page so as not to confuse those who already voted. regards,  <font color="#0082B8">=] (])=</font> 10:22, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

	==Tlumaczenie==

	Ah wiesz, nie chce mi sie szczerze mowiac. Przez ostatnie wydarzenia jestem ciety na wszystkich bez orzelka na paszporcie. Nie chodzi mi tu o JCarriker bo jemu niema co zarzucic, poza tym ze jako pierwszy ''nie Polak'' w naszej kanciapie ... zamiast z kwiatami przyszedl z klopotami :)

	Najwyrazniej osoby ktore tam byly wymienione sa zainteresowane tym co o nich pisalismy, i nie widze powodu bym sie z ich powodu pocil z tlumaczeniem.

	A co do dobrej woli - przedczorajszy/wczorajszy ban pokazal dobra wole innych... i przy okazji ich oblude.--] 09:41, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	:Ciolek sie na Ciebie skarzy looknij: --] 20:05, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==]==

	You've reverted 4 times. You ought to bring it up on ] instead of continuing. ]] 20:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

	: I concur. Contrary to your description on my talk page, you're involved in a content dispute, not ]. (If you don't agree, please read that page and tell me which of the "Types of vandalism" you claim this is - noting that both "stubbornness" and "NPOV violations" don't count.) If I hadn't gotten a favourable impression from the way you acted in the recent German-city naming mess, I would definitely handle this as a 3RR violation. ] ] 18:51, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	:: I am very well aware that he is an obnoxious jerk whom I completely agree deserves a complete ban from Misplaced Pages - if you will note, I have in the past protected ''many'' pages from him, and later placed a ''lengthy'' range-block on his entire ISP. However, getting into a revert war with him is not the way to handle him - and what he is doing is ''not'' vandalism. ] ] 19:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Prawa autorskie? ==

	Czy możesz rzucić okiem na sprawę dyskutowaną pod ]. Witkacy znalazł i używa fajne źródło angielskich tekstów o polskich sprawach na stronach www.poland.gov.pl . Niestety mam wątpliwości czy zasady opisujące prawa autorskie pozwalają na użycie tego materiału w Wikipedii. ] 15:13, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==Kennan references==
	A references section has been added in addition to the notes. ] 21:39, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	Wywieszona flaga z kosciotrupem wskazuje na to ze kogos zatopil, niemieckie swastyki, ze jakis niemiecki statek. Polska flaga z orzelkiem (marynarki) wisi troche bardziej z tylu na kijku (zakladam metalowym) - ORP Sokol zdecydowanie nie bil sie po zlej stronie ;)--] 09:14, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	Czy nie czas cos zrobic przeciw takim wypowiedziom? Moze powinnismy je wszystkie gdzies zbierac, a rownoczesnie za kazdym razem prostestowac na stronie adminow? Ja jestem za tym by obgadac ten problem w polskiej kanciapie i wspolnie cos wobec takich wypowiedzi ustanowic. Co o tym sadzisz?--] 16:08, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	:Nie, nie chodzi o nazwe Kijowa, tylko o jego wypowiedzi na temat polskich nacjonalistow. Mozna przeciez jak ludzie dyskutowac na ten temat, ale owy osobnik zaraz sie zaczal pluc i wyzywac Polakow od nacjonalistow. To czlonek ArbCom - nie dziwne wiec ze skoro ludzie ktorzy powinni tu dawac przyklad na innych, w taki sposob postepuja, ze potem kazdy beton nie majac argumentow zaczyna sie wyzywac--] 16:23, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	:Dokladnie, wspolne dzialanie to polowa sukcesu. Dlatego poroponuje to obgadac, ustalic co dokladnie bedziemy w takich sytuacjach robic i wspolnie uczyc takich madrali szacunku.--] 16:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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			== CfD nomination at ] ==
	== JCarrera? ==
	Interesting. SylviaS uses JCarriker. Is this a typo or are you trying to translate my name into Polish? If you are it doesn't look right to me, but then again in an all text enviroment you don't know how it said— I'm willing to help with that, if desired. -] 19:07, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
	:No, Sylvia uses JCarriker. It was your post that uses JCarrera. I'm not talking about meaning I talking changing spelling to better fit a language. My surname works fine with Spanish and French, with only mild changes. Removing the second r in my name to avoid a trilled r in Spanish would be an exaple of what I'm taling about (Though I like trilled r's so I don't remove it.) I thought you might have done that on the talk page, but I given your response I see its a typo. Thanks anyway. -] 19:16, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

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	== VM ==

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			==] has been nominated for merging==
	==Respect==
	I just thought I stop by to say that appreciate your attempts to cool off some heads ] and other talk and user:talk pages. I made similar calls trying to convince the editors upset by recent DE/PL and PL/LT name conflicts, as well as by the Russian name in ] article, to help improve the city history sections instead of making a ]. I think the project ] may help resolve such problems in the future and I will also try to come up with some ideas there. Thanks again! ''Do widzenia'', -] 00:14, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
	:Could you please take a look and comment at a couple of proposed revisions to your recent summary you wrote for the intro to ] article at ]. If you don't disagree with proposed changed, I will make them into the article itself. Thanks, -] 18:20, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

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	Thank you. Re the proposal, I will look at it in detail and see if I have some propositions on it. I will not be able to do it within several hours, but I am very interested. I will be honored to co-sign it. Cheers, -] 20:19, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

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	I was wondering if the lead I have created is long enough. There is only so much we can talk about Medals in the intro. Though, personally, I wish to rewrite to whole article. I probably wish to talk it over with a few folks, but I think it needs to have a huge make-over. Also, if the article is removed from it's FA status, can it reapply for the status? ] ] 03:36, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	:I'm not condemning you, I'm politely asking you not to do it again. And you're not a new contributor. I figure someone as committed as you can handle occasionally being told to check your facts without being scared away. -- ] 15:39, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
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	Thanks for the effort in a voting proposal. Most of what you say sounds good to me, although some points may be difficult to fix precisely. Since I was offline for the last few days, I am not quite up to date yet, but I am looking forward for your proposal. I also think it should include some sort of enforcement option (i.e. 3RR exclusion or such as on the Gdansk vote), because otherwise non-consensus editors just have us jump around in circles. Anyway, looking forward for your proposal. -- ] ] 16:50, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

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	== How to deal with Poles ==

			== ] ==
	Czołem. Wpadliśmy ostatnio na pomysł, by takie przypadki jak te, na podstawie których powstała słynna już strona ] notować i próbować wyjaśniać. Pomyślałem, że lepiej takie sprawy trzymać osobno i próbować załatwić polubownie, acz kolektywnie, bez konieczności odwoływania się do arbitrażu czy RfC. Stąd pomysł na ]. Co myślisz? ]] 00:07, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

			Hi. Not adverse to a dab, however the first item does not point to a particular subject, rather it is more of a definition than a link to an article on that subject. Therefore there is currently only one valid target. ] <sup>]</sup> 11:56, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	==Czary Mary==

			:@] I am not sure if this is against policy? There is also ]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 13:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
	Albo mam jakies zwidy albo ten tekst: ''Appreciation: Austria's Franz König dies at 98 Last remaining cardinal named by John XXIII was Vatican II luminary By JOHN L. ALLEN JR. Rome http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2004a/032604/032604k.php'' pojawia sie we wszystkich artykulach biskupow krakowskich, chodz nie jest ani wstawiony w tekst ani do template. Coz to za cudenko? ], np ]--] 23:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
			::Hi. I'm pretty sure it is. One of the 3 aspects of a dab page is "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily, whichever of the possible topics it might be." The first item on the dab page was little more than a definition, and definitely didn't link to get the reader to a particular topic. In addition, each bullet on a dab should only have a single blue link. Also, I'm not quite sure what you intended to refer to in that first definition. Did you mean inhabitants of those 5 countries? Those 5 countries as a group? Or that each of those countries might also be referred to by that term? Finally, re: the plc, that can be handled by a hatnote, since the demographic is clearly the primary target. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] The point is that Anglo-American refers, primarily, to "both Britain and the US."; the redirect to ] is misleading. This is also true for many links pointing to it. Anyway, I fortunately found a proper single article to use in the disambig (]). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Should this be merged with ] disambig? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 02:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Sounds good. I made a slight tweak, since each entry should only have 1 blue link. Let me know what you think. And regarding the merge, yes, probably, that would simplify searches. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::@] Could you do the merge? I also think that the Anglo-American Publishing does not belong there per ] (but the plc is ok, since it is sometimes referred to without the plc). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Done. I added the publishing house, for while I understand your point about PARTIAL, I also think that someone searching for the publishing house might only put in the first two words. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::@] Fair, but consider we have a bunch of other stuff like ], ] and quite a few others I see from the search... Oh, we should probably redirect ] to the disambig too? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 03:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::I see your point now. In light of that, I'll remove the publishing house, and yes, Anglo-american should also point to the dab. I'll take care of it. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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	I was hoping that things were improving but I view Logologist as hostile. It seems logical, that when someone knows that people that don't understand a language are involved in a particular discussion and then that someone makes a post about that subject in a langauge not understood by all of the people involved in the discussion, that they don't want people to know what's beig said. I know enough about lanagues for the wors angielskiego to catch my attention so I translated it sentence by sentence, which gets better results than trying to translate entire posts at a time, and found comprehended enough to know the subject matter. I would however like a human translation of what he has said. Thanks. -] 10:29, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
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	:I provided the translation of the two sentences that spooked ]. I certainly don't see anything offensive in them, and they are not directed at any particular user. Still, these paranoid reactions to comments in Polish by non-Polish users of Misplaced Pages are depressing. What is so disturbing to people about a few sentences in a language they cannot understand? Anyway, I am sad to say that ] is rapidly becoming a kind of small hell. Could we not move the discussions in Polish to some other page, where they will not offend other users? ] 14:38, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	::I appreciate your translation work Balcer, but I do not appreciate being called paranoid. Logolist was refering to a topic I brought up, logolist knows I don't speak Polish, yet logolist posted a response about a topic I brought up in Polish. If logolist wanted me to know what was being said he would have posted in English or provided a translation and he did not. That sir is fact, not paranoia. Excluding someone already discussing a topic, is not only rude, but in bad faith. I don't go around demanding translations of texts on talk pages, but I do insist on English being used in public spaces on the English wikipedia. As for describing people as paranoid, such statements are largely, viewed as personal attacks, I would urge caution in making such statemnets in the future, you will find not all wikipedians are as understanding as I. - ] 16:08, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
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	:::::Recent comments and reactions on the talk page made me realize that there are deeper issues than the use of Polish in play here. Ultimately it is the balance of power between cosmopolitan Poles and nationalist Poles on wikipedia, both with equal love for Poland, who are going to decide whether Polish related topics are going to take a leadership role as one of the best covered and respected topics in wikipedia or be regarded as a POV backwater avoided by most contributors. I sympathize with this because my culture (]) has a similar conflict between those who want to include and those who want to exclude. I'd be happy to return, especially if a number of Polish wikipedians encouraged me to, but so long as a vocal and hostile plurality remains unchallenged (your efforts recognized and appreciated of course), by most Polish users not only are people going to be ran off Polish related topics— this minority of Polish contributors are going to continue to spread the emerging false stereotype that all Polish contributors are nationalists bent on inserting there POV. It is up to you, and users like SylwiaS and Balcer to solve the problem, anything coming from a non-Pole like me is only going to be discounted, and as such my energies are better use elsewhere— for now. Good luck and Gods speed. -] 12:23, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
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	== Anschluss comment from 10th June ==
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	Roul preliminary deleted the Anschluss article on the FAC-page, because your objections from June 10th have allegedly not been addressed. Would be nice if you look at the article again and make a short comment on its FAC page. Thx. ] 01:51, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==hallo from uwe==
	hallo Piotr - may I ask you to transport some more of the text and images of ] into your fine country - or ask somebody - (I was there and have nice and fun colleagues in Poland) - good luck ] 15:01, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

	== Gdansk/Danzig, again ==

	Hey - Actually, I think the idea of using "Gdansk" for articles centered on the PLC, while using "Danzig" for articles focusing specifically on the city, or on Europe more broadly, in the 1466-1793 period, actually makes a lot of sense. I had actually thought that this was allowed by the results of the voting, which said that for "specifically Polish" topics in any period, the Polish name could be used. So that's fine with me as a compromise. In terms of historical correctness - fair enough. I have generally been more concerned with discerning what typical English usage is, so as to determine the "most common name" ''today'' for the city between 1466 and 1793. I think that this is probably "Danzig," but the usage is split, and I'm happy to have some sort of compromise, so long as we can reasonably determine what the boundaries are. ] ] 19:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Not voting again! :-/ ==

	Hi! I appreciate your putting some effort into improving wikipedia policy, that's great!

	But... (you knew there was a "but" coming, right?) this particular case has been chewed over hundreds of times by now, and it turns out that voting on wikipedia is a Really Really Really Really Really Really bad idea.

	So while survey guidelines could use an overhaul, you might want to try overhauling them in the opposite direction, namely: stressing that we're not doing votes here, and that the idea is to find out if consensus has been reached, and/or what issues still need to be discussed.

	Sorry to cause you more work like this, but you think you can give it a shot?

	] 20:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	: Hey, I managed to enforce ] once, how hard can this get? (famous last words).
	: Show me some history/diffs which show the problem? ] 11:22, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== needs attention (history of Poland) ==

	I think ] (Poland) needs attention! ] 07:48, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==Peoples==
	Pardon my quirckiness, but I guess I'm somewhat of a "purist"; the uses the term "peoples" three times; (1) ''"freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned''; (2) ''"right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live"''; (3) ''"lighten for peace-loving peoples the crushing burden of armaments"''. IMO, using the exact terminology of the source document somewhat reduces the confusion when contentions arise that an interpretation of the source is faulty. "Peoples", in its plural form, refers to the people of Poland, the Czech people, the Solvak people, etc., collectively referred to as "peoples". ] 16:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
	:Thank you. Technically you're correct, the word is a plural form in itself, and it does sound somewhat awkward in English, but the meaning is apparant that it speaks of a wider classification of "various people". ] 16:44, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	== Request for deletion ==

	Piotrus, can you please delete the article Statue of Kalisz? (I made a typo) - thanks! --] 02:34, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Anglo-American

Hi. Not adverse to a dab, however the first item does not point to a particular subject, rather it is more of a definition than a link to an article on that subject. Therefore there is currently only one valid target. Onel5969 11:56, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Onel5969 I am not sure if this is against policy? There is also Anglo American plc. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I'm pretty sure it is. One of the 3 aspects of a dab page is "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily, whichever of the possible topics it might be." The first item on the dab page was little more than a definition, and definitely didn't link to get the reader to a particular topic. In addition, each bullet on a dab should only have a single blue link. Also, I'm not quite sure what you intended to refer to in that first definition. Did you mean inhabitants of those 5 countries? Those 5 countries as a group? Or that each of those countries might also be referred to by that term? Finally, re: the plc, that can be handled by a hatnote, since the demographic is clearly the primary target. Onel5969 18:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@Onel5969 The point is that Anglo-American refers, primarily, to "both Britain and the US."; the redirect to Anglo-Americans is misleading. This is also true for many links pointing to it. Anyway, I fortunately found a proper single article to use in the disambig (Anglosphere). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Should this be merged with Anglo American disambig? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Sounds good. I made a slight tweak, since each entry should only have 1 blue link. Let me know what you think. And regarding the merge, yes, probably, that would simplify searches. Onel5969 10:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

@Onel5969 Could you do the merge? I also think that the Anglo-American Publishing does not belong there per WP:PARTIAL (but the plc is ok, since it is sometimes referred to without the plc). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. I added the publishing house, for while I understand your point about PARTIAL, I also think that someone searching for the publishing house might only put in the first two words. Onel5969 01:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

@Onel5969 Fair, but consider we have a bunch of other stuff like Anglo-American School of Moscow, Anglo-American loan and quite a few others I see from the search... Oh, we should probably redirect Anglo-american to the disambig too? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I see your point now. In light of that, I'll remove the publishing house, and yes, Anglo-american should also point to the dab. I'll take care of it. Onel5969 10:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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