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| ::*Of course, the English Misplaced Pages can go its own way. But let me state some statistics for you, Carlossuarez46, and then you folks can make an informed decision. That's all I want, an ''informed'' decision. | ::*Of course, the English Misplaced Pages can go its own way. But let me state some statistics for you, Carlossuarez46, and then you folks can make an informed decision. That's all I want, an ''informed'' decision. | ||
| ::*According to , there were 73,057 census tracts in the United States. The English Misplaced Pages correctly does not count census tracts notable. The US is at least 4 times more populous and 6 times vaster than Iran. But the number of ''ābādi''s in Iran are even greater than that of the United States (98,100>73,057) for a smaller, less populated, and less developed country. Is this logical? I would say, no. If US census tracts are not notable, ''a fortiori'', Iranian ''ābādi''s are not notable. ] (]) 23:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC) | ::*According to , there were 73,057 census tracts in the United States. The English Misplaced Pages correctly does not count census tracts notable. The US is at least 4 times more populous and 6 times vaster than Iran. But the number of ''ābādi''s in Iran are even greater than that of the United States (98,100>73,057) for a smaller, less populated, and less developed country. Is this logical? I would say, no. If US census tracts are not notable, ''a fortiori'', Iranian ''ābādi''s are not notable. ] (]) 23:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC) | ||
| :::*{{ping|4nn1l2}} First, I do have facility in reading Persian; thanks for asking - no one should expect anyone's username to mean language ability or not. You make an argument that the number of notable populous places is somehow proportionate to either land area or population. Do you have any reliable sources for that notion? I would suspect that countries in different places were settled differently at different times. The Old World tends to be settled more in little villages from its agrarian heritage, and horse-limited transport in antiquity; the concept of village is virtually unknown in the New World. Our settlements sprouted along rivers and railroads and were accordingly spaced out and concentrated. Take India for an example: the number of villages is somewhere north of 600,000 (); other estimates go up to a million. India's area is about 1/3 of the US's. India's population is 1.366 billion or 4 times the US. But when India had only about the US population today, in the ], the government recorded 558,089 villages. See page 41 of . That's 7.5X greater for a smaller, equally populated, and less developed country. That's villages. And, smaller still, there are hamlets which are also subjects of articles in all geographies; but suffice to say your argument is debunked. ] (]) 01:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
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Places in Iran
Hi Carlos. About the concerns raised by Shahramrashidi at User talk:Anthony Appleyard#No reference articles in WP and Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for deletion#No/dead references articles in EN. WP about Iran villages: I think they are right that many the census entries are not actually villages. 3 kids in a trenchcoat put it well in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bagh-e Hajji Abdol: given that there are other "villages" listed in the same county with names translating to "gas station", "cement factory", and "peasant chicken slaughterhouse", it seems that the census takers were taking note of pretty much any building they came across
. In the census spreadsheet, many such entries are marked with an asterisk, denoting a place with "less than 3 families". It seems clear that these not legally-recognised villages or even "settlements" in the ordinary sense, just isolated households. The two articles Shahram brought up, Chah-e Shomareh Yek Amalzadeh and Tolombeh-ye Sarhang Bahrmand, translate to "Amalzadeh's Well No. 1" and "Colonel Behrmand's pump", so there is the additional problem that many of these articles could essentially giving the address of a named living person.
I think we will need to clean these up somehow, but given the volume, it would be much easier if you are willing to help? – Joe (talk) 11:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Joe Roe: you are right completely and If you to transle all of them even their name is not village name. Also i can help in cleaning of them in order to credit of WP.Shahram 12:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think Carlossuarez46 made a big mistake creating these articles. Carlossuarez46 most probably cannot understand Persian, otherwise he wouldn't create these articles. I know that some Iranian users encouraged him, probably out of nationalistic sentiments. Unlike what User:3 kids in a trenchcoat told at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bagh-e Hajji Abdol, the Iranain census does not designate such places as village (Template:Lang-fa), but uses the generic term آبادی (ābādi, "developed"). The Persian term ābādi includes three items: 1) village; 2) farm; 3) place (such as gas stations, dairy farms, etc). According to an RFC at fawiki, only villages are notable, regardless of their population. BUT there is a big problem. There is no fast-and-hard rule to determine which ābādi is a village and which one is not. One cannot rely on census documents, as the work of the Iranian statistical center is based on ābādis, not villages. There are only 46,000 villages in Iran, compared to 98,000 ābādis. 4nn1l2 (talk) 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Notability in FAWIKI is one thing, here it's different. WP:GEOLAND shows legally recognized populated places are generally notable. There is no indication that anything is a "census tract" which is a small portion of a larger settlement. While, generally speaking, one may view publications from certain governmental units as not reliable; there is every indication that the Iranian census is of the reliable sort that we rely upon regularly at WP - they are better equipped to tell us how many people live in each of their places than anyone else. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Of course, the English Misplaced Pages can go its own way. But let me state some statistics for you, Carlossuarez46, and then you folks can make an informed decision. That's all I want, an informed decision.
- According to , there were 73,057 census tracts in the United States. The English Misplaced Pages correctly does not count census tracts notable. The US is at least 4 times more populous and 6 times vaster than Iran. But the number of ābādis in Iran are even greater than that of the United States (98,100>73,057) for a smaller, less populated, and less developed country. Is this logical? I would say, no. If US census tracts are not notable, a fortiori, Iranian ābādis are not notable. 4nn1l2 (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- @4nn1l2: First, I do have facility in reading Persian; thanks for asking - no one should expect anyone's username to mean language ability or not. You make an argument that the number of notable populous places is somehow proportionate to either land area or population. Do you have any reliable sources for that notion? I would suspect that countries in different places were settled differently at different times. The Old World tends to be settled more in little villages from its agrarian heritage, and horse-limited transport in antiquity; the concept of village is virtually unknown in the New World. Our settlements sprouted along rivers and railroads and were accordingly spaced out and concentrated. Take India for an example: the number of villages is somewhere north of 600,000 (); other estimates go up to a million. India's area is about 1/3 of the US's. India's population is 1.366 billion or 4 times the US. But when India had only about the US population today, in the 1951 Census of India, the government recorded 558,089 villages. See page 41 of The India Census of 1951. That's 7.5X greater for a smaller, equally populated, and less developed country. That's villages. And, smaller still, there are hamlets which are also subjects of articles in all geographies; but suffice to say your argument is debunked. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)