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I love how TROLL!!!! is such a powerword around here, it makes me giggle. MONGO, all you have to do is like, not stalk me, and you won't be bothered by me. Never once have I sought interaction with you, you just found me because you have some kid's userpage watchlisted and got pissed when I tried to give him a laugh. Just go away and save yourself a lot of grief. Miltopia 20:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not mad at him for reverting you, he thought you were one of the vandals, probably. It's just that he said you're "obvios a sock account", you're TROLLING, and you'll be banned if TROLL anymore that is annoying. Don't feel threatened by him, just go have fun doing whatever it is you do. --AlexJohnc3 23:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hellol

HAI-K37 07:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

=' 0

Don't leave! --AlexJohnc3 14:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

MILTOPIA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-K37 21:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't even know you but don't leave, you're cool 8)
It's usually not well-looked upon to be an INTERNET DETECTIVE like that, you shouldn't let it bother you Voretus 21:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Furries

Don't let them get you down. They made some edits to my user page, and I intend to leave them there as a mark of honour. If you abandon Wiki, it means that they've won. Lankiveil 06:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

(ps: yes, "furcruft" is a bit gross =) )

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Konstable

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Konstable. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Konstable/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Konstable/Workshop.

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Stop, or I will not hesitate to block you for disruption

I'm not kidding.--MONGO 07:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not here to play games with you, an ED troll. Allow me to edit in peace, or I will ensure I can do so.--MONGO 07:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Dude, taking a tag off of an article is not hurting you, nor is de-redding a link. Could you just chill out? You're inventing hostilities where there are none. Trust me, it is not my goal to facilitate interaction with you. Miltopia 07:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sure...you show up on Dysgenics out of the blue, then twice remove , a redlined link that I wanted to stay in an article I just created as I plan on writing an article that will fill that link...in fact, I was planning on doing so until you started this nonsense...now that I don't have to deal with your stalking, I can resume doing something useful.--MONGO 07:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblock

{{unblock|banned for "trolling", did no such thing}} Ugh, I got blocked for removing a tag of an article, then de-redlinking another, then asking for help in dissolving a misunderstanding. I've been doing pretty well editing here lately, even reverting vandalism. To be blocked indefinitely for such a silly thing hardly seems beneficial, especially considering I was seeking help to defuse conflict. Can someone unblock me? Miltopia 07:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I just want to point out that pretty much all of my edits have been to articles or talk pages of people that I know off-site. So I'm definitely not trolling. Give me a break... Miltopia 07:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You're connection with ED trolls and the coincidence of following MONGO around to articles you have not edited is not believable. --Tbeatty 07:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've edited two article that he's edited.

  • 1. An article that I ws told about off-site. I didn't even know MONGO had edited it. WTF.
  • 2. An article that yes, I found in his contribs. Because he rollbacked me elsewhere and I was seeing if he was rollbacking me everywhere, and the words "new article" caught my eye, so I decided to read it. Sheesh, I even said it was nice. All I did was remove a redlink.
  • I don't have eleventy zillion edits, but I have enough unrelated to MONGO that to say I've set up this acocunt to troll MONGO is ridiculous. I even archived his previous comments because I DIDN'T want interaction with him. He's creating a problem that doesn't really exist here. It's all just a misunderstanding; I have no interest in MONGO. Miltopia 07:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Not believable Tbeatty 07:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, see my comments in section above this one.--MONGO 07:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that "apeshit" comment was rude and I removed it later (see my own archive). BUt my intention there was to talk to Alex, not MONGO. Miltopia 07:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

May not be the same editor...but most likely just another ED troll looking to be disruptive.--MONGO 08:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Very likely, since I informed them I was unbanned. Looks like I have been trolled. Miltopia 08:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Again

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Miltopia (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

Since immediately after being blocked this user created User:Gentgeen Militopia wheel war vs MONGO - clearly false, see below

Decline reason:

Lets wait on Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Miltopia to see. Daniel.Bryant 08:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Um, I couldn't have made that username while blocked. For one thing, I wouldn't have know who did the unblocking. Miltopia 08:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Boooo. Miltopia 08:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Last Time (hopefully)

{{unblock|Checkuser turned up unrelated, surprise surprise}}

So it turns out I'm not the world's biggest idiot and the account is not mine. Can I be unblocked now? Good grief. Miltopia 09:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked, at least for now

Full unblock summary was truncated: WP:AGF -- This needs more discussion. User does not appear to be a blatant troll or vandal, and checkuser confirms the "stalker" account that showed up later was on a different ISP -- with all respect, I'm not convinced they're the same person. Please direct further drama to AN(/I) before reblocking; at the very least, I think this one needs some discussion. Luna Santin 09:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but "more discussion on ANI" is what got me banned in the first place, so I don't think that's a good idea. It's obvious I don't need blocking, let's all just drop it. Thanks again for the unblocks, both of you. Miltopia
Alrighty. At this point, it seems you'll remain unblocked. As you might have already expected, it seems remaining unblocked will rely on staying as far away from MONGO as possible (especially anything that even might be interpreted as harassment or stalking, by happenstance or otherwise). Hopefully that's acceptable to you; after tonight's little drama, I have a hunch you were planning on self-imposing such a condition in any case. Feel free to let me know if you have any further concerns or questions in this regard. Luna Santin 15:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
What policy did Miltopia break that would get him banned in the first place? I didn't see one cited anywhere, and I don't think he did anything that could even be interpreted as deserving a ban (assuming we ignore WP:AFG). --AlexJohnc3 22:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
You're right, I didn't, which is why I was unblocked. So, it's all good now :-) Miltopia 22:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Explanation of an edit

I was testing User:ais523/votesymbols.js; Image:Votesymbols.js-enhanced SfD.png shows what it should look like. The script passed that test fine, but it seems to be glitching on something and I can't figure out what it is. Anyway, I needed that text to appear somewhere for the tests, so the history of the Sandbox seems like a reasonably harmless place to put it. --ais523 10:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

re:Hi

I apologise, I was slightly overwhelmed with reverting lots of vandalism and the filter must have picked your edit up. You are correct in removing it from the article. Sorry about that, I'll try to be a bit more careful next time. James086 14:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

  • That's ok, I was just making sure there weren't circumstances I wasn't aware of, like if the uploader were actually the one who was in the picture (making it ok). Miltopia 14:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I have been stalking you and wanted to express my sympathy for the harassment :( Voretus 18:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hurrah! :D-K37 00:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Praise Jesus! Miltopia 16:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

DRV

You asked me about it on my talk page, turns out there is one now (link). --AlexJohnc3 04:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

“the Internet” v. “internet”

See, for example, IETF RFC1129 (Internet Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol) for a plain statement on the difference between “the Internet” and “internet”. It is an evident fact that capitalization cannot be heard; no one should have to source that point. —12.72.71.166 03:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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It's like a cat.... on a monorail!

Hai; it's nice to see you around. Let me know if you ever need help with adminly type stuff, and remember to steer clear of whatsisname, if you can. If you guys get into it, I might not be able to help you out... -GTBacchus 01:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion request

I noticed your remarks on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Discuss and Vote; I would appreciate it if you could take a look at WP:DDV, and indicate if it accurately represents the way Misplaced Pages works (and feel free to reword it if it doesn't). Basically it states that AFD (etc) are not decided by vote count, and in general voting is discouraged (but not forbidden). Thanks. (Radiant) 10:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

SOUVENIR

I'LL BRING YOU BACK SOME MOONSHINE NEXT TIME I GO TO THE MOON. --MOONGOER 06:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Dem attic

I have again disabled the link to drama on dem attic. You are welcome to edit here, but please leave the drama there. This matter has been discussed at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Seabhcan/Workshop#Miltopia_incident. I don't think you need to get involved unless you think it serves some purpose of yours as the issues involve the behavior of other users. You seem to be editing in an unremarkable manner, which is fine. Fred Bauder 14:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh, I'm getting involved all right. I'm sick of MONGO asking everyone and their mother th help him get me banned. Now that he's pulling his wild accusations into an unrelated arbcom case, I've been emailed about it and it's why I've come back, although I've had more interesting things to attend to first. About the link, I just didn't see any reason to disrupt the context of the conversation, but it's fine that it's disabled, I'm certainly not here for anything sinister. Milto LOL pia 21:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Your recent drinking

Dude, that picture of the end result of drinking too much makes me nauseous. lol-K37 23:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Your question re "trolling"

Hello, Miltopia. First of all, yes, I am female, as my signature suggests.

With regard to the GTBacchus edit that was reverted and that you restored, first I might mention that I have always felt that GTBacchus was one of the administrators who most respected the dignity of other editors. I have seen him in the past showing great kindness to people with whom he disagreed; he has also been helpful to me. I have recently noted with sadness and bewilderment what seems to be his inexplicable failure to show solidarity with or appropriate support for a victim of absolutely appalling harassment. Nevertheless, I do not by any means equate him with the trolls who take pleasure in those frightful attacks on MONGO and on others, and who arrive at Misplaced Pages to post links to that site and to taunt MONGO.

You asked me if his posting of obscenities to your user page was trolling. It's something I'd personally have ignored, but since you ask, I'll say that I believe that it was inappropriate. It's not something I'd block for; it's not something I'd want to lose a friend over. But it was definitely not to my taste. But then, I don't suppose everything I do would be to his taste. The main point, as he would certainly say, is to treat others as human beings.

It is possible to make an inappropriate edit without being a troll. I don't think it's possible to do it repeatedly without being a troll. So if GTBacchus makes a joke edit to your user page which many would find inappropriate, and then goes off and makes dozens of good edits, helping people, doing administrative chores, editing articles, I'm not going to waste a second thought on the obscene edit. He wasn't making it on my page, and I'm sure he wouldn't.

Anyway, the examples I gave were not of your reverting the editor who reverted GTBacchus, but rather of you adding "lol u faggot" and "dicks". As far as I know, they did not originate with GTBacchus, but with you. Regarding your "Kelly Martin kicks ass" post, I'm not familiar with the expression. Despite the "full support" words that came after it, I was not 100% sure whether that expression was meant as an insult or a compliment. Containing the word "ass"", and coming straight after "faggot" and "dicks" (and an image of vomit), it did not come across as the most inoffensive way of expressing support.

Your acknowledgment on the evidence page that the link was "highly inappropriate" and "very unfunny" makes me inclined to think better of you, after having seen only flippant responses to the victim in the last few weeks. Now comes my big question — why didn't you remove it? AnnH 01:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • First, I want to point out that "kicks ass" is a compliment, even if a somewhat vulgar one.
  • Second, I want to point out that the vulgar edits to my userpage did not originate from me, although I did invite them myself. I was reverting removals of them (via popup/rollback, so it was probably mistaken for vandalism).
  • Third, the ":-D lol" was a reply to Ashley Y's comment, not the link.
As far as not removing the link goes... well, I thought it was considered rude to remove talk page comments. Especially considering how Ashley replied without removing it. It was nothing malicious. Milto LOL pia 01:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and for your question. This will have to be short, as I'm very caught up in the real world. I thought I had explained above that there is a difference between making a single inappropriate edit to a user page, and having a pattern of doing so. I didn't say that GTBacchus's edit needed no explanation. I said that he owed me no explanation. You don't owe me any explanation either. If GTBacchus made such edits every day (which is not the case) and if evidence had been submitted to the ArbCom that MONGO had treated GTBacchus as a troll, then it would be reasonable to provide diffs to show that MONGO had some cause to think he was a troll. In fact, on reflection, I think I was wrong to add those diffs, as the case is not about you, but about whether or not MONGO was really as unreasonable as some people have accused him of being. What you did after he blocked you isn't really relevant, so I've removed it. You may wish to remove your response to that bit as well, as it looks a bit silly to have a response without the thing it's responding to. Or you may prefer to leave your complete response there but add a link to the bit I have removed. I have no interest in seeing you banned, and in any case, that isn't even proposed. My interest is in preventing (if possible) an unjust ruling against someone who was subjected to some pretty horrific harassment and reacted the way most people would.

I have a lot more to say, but simply don't have time. By the way, some people have very strong preferences as to whether talk page discussions should be kept unfragmented. I don't really mind either way. Feel free to reply here or on my talk page — that is, if you want to reply. AnnH 01:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • No, this is fine. I'm not picky. And I don't mean to like browbeat you over your evidence - it's your evidence after all - it just struck me as a little "overcautious" of trolling. I commented out my section at your suggestion. Milto LOL pia 12:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Barnstar of Good Humor
I award you this barnstar for never losing your sense of humour, even in face of adversity. Come to my house, you can sleep with my sister. IICATSII punch the keys 08:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

blatant vandalism tag

tone it down, especially with the vandalism-only account warning

It's not a "vandalism-only account" warning, it's a "blatant vandalism" warning -- as, you know, the tag is actually called. And since it WAS blatant vandalism -- no matter how misguidedly encouraged it was -- it was perfectly appropriate. If you feel a "blatant vandalism" warning tag is inappropriate for warning about blatant vandalism, perhaps you can take it up with WP:TFD and see how far it gets you. --Calton | Talk 05:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Miltopia; hi Calton. "Vandalism" is defined at Misplaced Pages as "edits made in a deliberate intent to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia." It's pretty clear to me that the intent in this case was to share a joke with a friend, not to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia. There are long-time Wikipedians in perfectly good standing, admins even, with "vandalize here" sections on their user pages. I see no harm in allowing these guys to "pass notes". If similar edits find their way anywhere where people would expect to find encyclopedic content, then please feel free to show no mercy, Calton. -GTBacchus 19:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks GT. I wish I wasn't causing you so much trouble :( I would not be hurt in the least if you just banned me to save yourself the task of making sure I'm behaving myself, haha Milto LOL pia 04:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I guess I could indef block you and then say I did it for the lulz, but that's not the culture here. In reply to your message at my talk page, I am following the ArbCom case, from a distance. I don't want to tell you what to do - I think you can figure out how Misplaced Pages works just fine. If I have one suggestion, it would be that you try to stay out of politics. If you can't stay out of politics, I'd at least advise you to make a couple of good old fashioned article-space edits for every edit relating to any controversy. That's a suggestion I find it hard to follow myself, but when I succeed, I find my time here more rewarding. -GTBacchus 05:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
      • You're right. I've spent a lot of time trying to make sure I stay unbanned and haven't been doing much editing, so I hit "random article". I ended up on an article that I ended up proposing for deletion. I'm not sure whether to call this a success or a failure... Milto LOL pia 23:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Ah, that's good work. Down with cruft, right? Although, you wanna google something like that first, sometimes you find a couple of independent write-ups. For jazz pianists, we don't need scholarly journals. If you find some sources, you can check that the article isn't reporting stuff that they don't back up. I tend to just toss the references into an "External links" section, but some people like to show off and do inline referencing.
        • Random page hockey can be fun; I should play it more often. -GTBacchus 23:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Reading your nomination more carefully, it looks like you found those same sources, and weren't too impressed. I should stob kibbitzing. -GTBacchus 01:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, I must've missed those, they seem alright. Good catches, they're good enough that make me question the unverifiability of the guy. And by all means kibitz, I'm terrible at Misplaced Pages Chess :-) Besides, better to hear it from you than someone saying "OMFG ED TROLL DIE DIE DIE" --Milto LOL pia 21:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Note to self

Milto LOL pia

This will be my new sig once the serious business is over. Milto LOL pia 12:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Daniel Brandt

I'm sorry, but have you not been keeping track of what Mr. Brandt has done? He was extremely uncivil, to the point of outing people's personal addresses, telephone numbers, photographs, encouraging stalking, making legal threats, engaging in unsubstanciated attacks on editors and admins of Misplaced Pages, and breaking multiple policies. If you're going to edit something out that is the truth simply because it doesn't soft-pedal what happened, at least look it up first. I have reverted your edit. --Elaragirl 14:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, just after about two minutes of searching , I found
  • Here he suggests that the editors are irresponsible and tend towards ego trips. This to a newspaper, and it's representing pretty much anyone who edits at Misplaced Pages.
  • His over the top legal threats are all over Misplaced Pages, and

and, oh, what the heck, let's just look at his block log, which is littered with blocks for legal threats. Rude legal threats, even. Those aren't uncivil?

  • You could always look at the hivemind page where he basically reveals everyone's real names , photographs, birth dates, and even decides to go into a few cases of transexuals.

I'm saying all this to point out that Daniel Brandt (no matter how unfair the fact of him having a somewhat inaccurate bio) has been uncivil. His incivility and legal threats can be found in his user contributions, on his lengthy diatribes at the Misplaced Pages Review, in various interviews where he's dismissed Misplaced Pages as run by "clowns" and on his websites. I'm sorry if you feel I'm too incompetant to qualify to revert you. As for JS, it means "JavaScript" and it's a tool that more experienced users use to conduct small reverts. I don't do things manually unless a level of finesse is required. I personally don't give a flip either way how it's worded, but there shouldn't be any whitewash of the fact that Daniel Brandt was treated uncivilly by a few trolls and proceeded to get himself permabanned for a still-continuing campaign of malice. Good day. Elaragirl 14:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I think you'll find I don't have any of the contempt for you you seem to think I do. However, I do want to point out that the article you wrote mentions nothing about the arguments being uncivil. And you can't go off Brandt's comments himself, it would be an original interpretation of his tone. You need a source to say he was rude. Milto LOL pia 15:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

... :p --Elaragirl 21:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I sorta figured that was the case, and did that AGF thingy. But it would be more fun if we had a big flame war. pouts theatrically Anyway, I'll concede the point on Brandt. I see the arguement isn't if he was uncivil, but that it's basically self-referencing to find most of the evidence that he was, which I kind of shot in the foot with my own post. No problems. --Elaragirl 22:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, someone nuked the sentence entirely. Ir restored it and was gonna argue the point on the talk page, but I had forgotten to log in, and didn't get to the explanation before the revert. So... screw it. Milto LOL pia 22:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

codes

I've noticed you know a thing or two about the wiki codes, would u b able to help me out on a new look project page. I hope to give a few project pages a facelift that would have them looking like the main page. check User:FrummerThanThou/jew, its my attempt so far. frummer 05:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

hello miltopia

Hello, the lunatics have taken over the asylum. I guess this account won't last long, either.Jumboz1Idwhale 11:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

See upage. The greeter for the above upage (forgot psswd) seems like a most decent chap.Jumboz1eyedwhale 13:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

'Sup

:3-DESU 03:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments

Thanks for your comments. :) Good suggestions. Best wishes, Travb (talk) 07:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

RIP Miltopism 2005-2007?

Miltopia, have you really left ED forever? If so, it is too bad because you were one of my favorite editors there. The place definitely won't be the same without you. Remember it's not the beginning and the end that counts, but the dash in between that truly matters, and that's where you succeeded. — MichaelLinnear 23:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

"Misplaced Pages hat"

Hey Miltopia, sorry to have to lecture you but you need to wear your "Misplaced Pages hat" while editing here, and you need to avoid vandalism in your edit summaries, for instance these which are inappropriate. Thanks, dvdrw 00:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia

Just a heads up about 3RR; ie repeatedly adding the {{unsourced}} tag. Thanks  Glen  01:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)