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| Hi - hope you don't mind I threw in a few things on your new article. ] (]) 03:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| Thanks for your work. Just a comment: For right now, I think that most edits to the umbrella "constitutional crisis" article should be focused on trimming. Substantive additions should probably go to the sub-articles (at least, they should go there first; and hopefully, only there, as they can be included in trimmed summaries on the umbrella page). ] (]) 19:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| I also found and use an edit counter on my page which shows the main articles edited etc. and graphs them, Just passing on what other people have told me] (]) 15:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| The the TSE measured participation against a different electoral roll that was adjusted for emigration, deaths, etc, that the TSE did not share with them. Bú said that Hagamos Democracia was not adjusting the electoral roll for deaths and emigration because it did not have reliable enough information to do so. Since this was an arbitrary figure that cant stand up to scrutiny they will have to use a similar basis to earlier elections. | |||
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| The initial 60% was disengeous to say the least, knowing the attention span of international audiences.] (]) 16:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Its simple maths TSE changed what it was a % of by adjusting arbitrarily the figure. | |||
| :Hagamos Democracia was accredited by the TSE as election observers. They are an NGO, funded by various governments, including the United States. | |||
| :Their methodology was to select a sample of 1173 mesas electorales from around the country based on criteria like their history of participation in previous elections and other criteria. In each of these mesas electorales, they established an observer who was present the whole time, from the time the polling place opened until it closed, and did not visit other mesas electorales as many election observers do. After the polling place closed, their election observer sent them the statistics from that mesa, including the tallied vote counts, and participation from the official "actas" that the TSE has reported to it to tally. Their observers also send in their own statistics gathered from their observations during the day. | |||
| :Hagamos Democracia told Tiempo that the TSE measured participation against a different electoral roll that was adjusted for emigration, deaths, etc, that the TSE did not share with them. Bú said that Hagamos Democracia was not adjusting the electoral roll for deaths and emigration because it did not have reliable enough information to do so. | |||
| :The TSE has obviously decided to abandon its arbitrary electoral roll (which dissapears 600,000 voters?).] (]) 17:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::I know the count isnt finished but its now 85/90% complete. I dont know why there not updating their wensite. If you note that on it they show the Hagamos Democracia % which are in line with theirprojections and note that all the figures agree with the exception of participation. The cpmfidence level on that is 99+% with a 1% margin of error. Whether it has anything to with the 6.5% spoiled vote rate or not I dont know. Final results may take weeks so well just have to wait and see.] (]) 19:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ==Law Library of Congress report== | |||
| Why dont you put details of the report now that its in HTML into the Honduran Coup d'etat article as counter balance and I'll add details of the specific weaknesses of the report into the critism. section. | |||
| :Sure, or we could switch roles. ;-) I think that there is valid criticism of the LLoC report, but I did add noting the which gave the power to Congress to interpret the constitution in Article 205(10) ''after'' the against the Congress's logic vis-a-vis Article 218(9) and 205(1). So I think the critics of the LLoC report might be out on a limb, depending on an older ruling, instead of the newer, ratified change to the Constitution which established a right on the part of the Congress to interpret the Constitution. ] (]) 19:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == Try it again and we go to ANI == | |||
| Only post where you're allowed. -- ] 03:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Don't post in the middle of my posts, and don't insert posts into the middle of threads where they're not allowed. | |||
| :You may not insert a post in between a post and its reply by adding another colon, and you mayn't insert your posts into the posts of other posters, ever. -- ] 03:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| ::Um, your last edit to that was at ''after'' my original at 3:03, and so I again at 3:17. Why did you move it? ] (]) 04:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :::Are you kidding me? You really don't understand it, or are you playing dumb? Lo0ok at ALL the time and date stamps. You trieed to slip in a post, in the middle of a thread, in between a post and its reply. -- ] 04:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| OK, let review those stamps: | |||
| 3:03 I respond to your 2:59 comment <BR> | |||
| 3:05 '''you change''' your 2:59 comment <BR> | |||
| 3:17 I reply to your changed 3:05 comment <BR> | |||
| What is confusing and why I am I wrong to reply to a comment again after it was finished? (even though '''you didn't update the stamp''') ] (]) 04:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :I made a minor change only to clarify a vague reference. It wasn't clear that "that", referred to, "your supposed newness." My minor edit didn't change the meaning of what I had written in any way -- because I had already ''written'' about your supposed newness (in that same post) when I wrote, "newbie you supposedly were." My edit was purely a minor grammatical one for enhanced readability. | |||
| :One thing you could have done might have been to have changed ''your'' reply, if you honestly thought I'd written something new. You're obviously familiar with strikeout formatting. | |||
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| :I'm not going to discuss it ad nauseum, especially if you're going to ]. I'd rather just go to AN/I. I'm ready. | |||
| :As far as I'm concerned, we can just move this discussion to AN/I. You can develop your defense there. | |||
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| ::Well, do what you like. You stopped discussing it with me, and I suppose now an administrator can look at the situation. That is fine by me. ] (]) 05:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| For my own records, the link is for now, until it is archived. ] (]) 06:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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| In a single sentence, was the entire dispute about whether the coup was part of the larger constitutional crisis or just a separate incident? -- ] (]) 08:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :The ''current'' dispute was over whether or not the "coup" was part of a larger "constitutional crisis." ] (]) 08:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
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