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== Zombie Disambiguation ==
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⚫ Heh, remember that Simpsons episode where the zombies are going back into their graves, and one zombie interrupts another burying himself: "wait a minute, I'm John Smith!" "John Smith 1882?" "My mistake." <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:14, 5 June 2006</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->
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⚫ Heh, remember that Simpsons episode where the zombies are going back into their graves, and one zombie interrupts another burying himself: "wait a minute, I'm John Smith!" "John Smith 1882?" "My mistake."


⚫ * Very amusing. ] 04:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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** Wait a minit, maybe i was wrong to leave this here rather than move it to the new ] page: Was that zombie thing another variation on your basic ]??? <br>--]•] 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)<br>


== Moved sections ==
⚫ Very amusing. ] 04:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The following sections formerly on this talk page are now part of ], since they seemed to be about abt the name itself -- i.e., the name as distinct from the real people and typical fictional characters who have borne it -- rather than about the task of Dab'g the name with respect to articles that could have been titled "John Smith" if there were only one of them:

== John Not-A-Vampire-At-All Smith == * ]
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--]•] 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)<br>
His pseudonym should be listed as John Smith, as the middle section is merely Vimes' nickname for him in his mind - he doesn't call him it, and it is mentioned only once. ] 12:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

⚫ ==Most famous John Smith needs to go up top==
I'm puting a reference to Captain John Smith of Jamestown, Virginia fame up top because he is far and away the most prominent of all John Smiths, ever. Readers should not have to search down to near the bottom of the list to find him, especially when the Misplaced Pages article name is not intuitive. If somebody else wanted to, I'd probably support making the article for this John Smith the place readers would go when they type in the simple name, but I'm not so absolutely certain about this that I'd do it myself. Every American past the age of 12 should know who this John Smith is. I guess he wouldn't be prominent outside the United States. ] (]) 21:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:An objection has been made that the reasoning for this is "U.S.-centric" and "POV". POV applies to controversies outside Misplaced Pages, not to justifications of edits for Misplaced Pages reasons -- that's called not POV but "reasoning". "U.S.-centric" would apply if other cultures were ignored, but they aren't -- there just happens to be an extremely important "John Smith" in the U.S. Actually there are extremely important uses of "John Smith" in England and elsewhere to denote a placeholder name, and that is also mentioned up top. It isn't bias if there are objective reasons for an edit that hold up. But let consensus rule.] (]) 00:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've changed the order of this section to alphabetic. I think that it is the only realistic way of doing it. Arguments can be made for ordering by prominence, which is highly subjective and, as someone from outside of the US, not particularly helpful; or by geographical origin (the previous order) which is confusing to an outside observer; or by date, which seems fairly random. None of these seem to me to be the strongest approach to take so I think simple alphabetical ordering is the most straightforward. The argument that readers shouldn't have to spend time reading down a list to find a particular John Smith isn't a good one, the lists aren't so long that this would be an obstacle. ] (]) 10:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


== Contradiction == == Contradiction ==


This page says that John Smith is the name used by hospitals for unnamed male patients. The other page says they use the name John Doe. Neither has a citation. --'''''<font color="red">]</font><font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''''' @759, i.e. 17:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC) This page says that John Smith is the name used by hospitals for unnamed male patients. The other page says they use the name John Doe. Neither has a citation. --''''']]]''''' @759, i.e. 17:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:There's no way that ''all'' hospitals consistently use either John Doe ''or'' John Smith. Quite likely, some use one and others use the other and others use another name altogether. All you have to do is change it to "some hospitals" and the contradiction disappears. That being said, without a citation it's all just guesswork or anecdotal. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC) :There's no way that ''all'' hospitals consistently use either John Doe ''or'' John Smith. Quite likely, some use one and others use the other and others use another name altogether. All you have to do is change it to "some hospitals" and the contradiction disappears. That being said, without a citation it's all just guesswork or anecdotal. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


== Dab or article == == Dab or article ==
''This old contrib is placed in a box to encourage attention to the fact that another copy of it exists at ] <br>--]•] 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)<br>''

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This page seems to be both an article about the name "John Smith" and a disambiguation page for various people named "John Smith". The two concepts should be split, since dabs aren't articles and have their own guidelines (like no categories or references needed). Which should go at the base name? Base name dab and ], or base name article and ]? -- ] (]) 03:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC) This page seems to be both an article about the name "John Smith" and a disambiguation page for various people named "John Smith". The two concepts should be split, since dabs aren't articles and have their own guidelines (like no categories or references needed). Which should go at the base name? Base name dab and ], or base name article and ]? -- ] (]) 03:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


:I agree with the above, the narrative about the name at the top of the page should be floated off to form it's own article. I think the DAB page should keep the base name and the article be titled 'John Smith (name)'. ] (]) 11:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC) :I agree with the above, the narrative about the name at the top of the page should be floated off to form it's own article. I think the DAB page should keep the base name and the article be titled 'John Smith (name)'. ] (]) 11:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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::* I have performed more or less such a division, a bit more detail follows the other copy of the preceding contribs. <br>--]•] 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)<br>

==Haruhi==
In the newest episode of the Haruhi Suzumiya animé (chronologically episode 8, but also known as the first episode of season 2) Kyon tells Haruhi his name is John Smith. This might be a Doctor Who reference (not impossible since he makes a Back to the Future reference earlier the very same episode), but may also be a refernce as a common english name. Either way I think it deserves a mention in this page, since it lacks content.
(] (]) 02:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC))

Latest revision as of 17:52, 25 September 2021

Zombie Disambiguation

Heh, remember that Simpsons episode where the zombies are going back into their graves, and one zombie interrupts another burying himself: "wait a minute, I'm John Smith!" "John Smith 1882?" "My mistake." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 15:14, 5 June 2006

Unsigned

Moved sections

The following sections formerly on this talk page are now part of talk:John Smith, since they seemed to be about abt the name itself -- i.e., the name as distinct from the real people and typical fictional characters who have borne it -- rather than about the task of Dab'g the name with respect to articles that could have been titled "John Smith" if there were only one of them:

--Jerzy•t 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction

This page says that John Smith is the name used by hospitals for unnamed male patients. The other page says they use the name John Doe. Neither has a citation. --Thinboy00 @759, i.e. 17:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There's no way that all hospitals consistently use either John Doe or John Smith. Quite likely, some use one and others use the other and others use another name altogether. All you have to do is change it to "some hospitals" and the contradiction disappears. That being said, without a citation it's all just guesswork or anecdotal. Good Ol’factory 10:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dab or article

This old contrib is placed in a box to encourage attention to the fact that another copy of it exists at Talk:John Smith#Dab or article
--Jerzy•t 06:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

This page seems to be both an article about the name "John Smith" and a disambiguation page for various people named "John Smith". The two concepts should be split, since dabs aren't articles and have their own guidelines (like no categories or references needed). Which should go at the base name? Base name dab and John Smith (name), or base name article and John Smith (disambiguation)? -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the above, the narrative about the name at the top of the page should be floated off to form it's own article. I think the DAB page should keep the base name and the article be titled 'John Smith (name)'. Alchemagenta (talk) 11:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Haruhi

In the newest episode of the Haruhi Suzumiya animé (chronologically episode 8, but also known as the first episode of season 2) Kyon tells Haruhi his name is John Smith. This might be a Doctor Who reference (not impossible since he makes a Back to the Future reference earlier the very same episode), but may also be a refernce as a common english name. Either way I think it deserves a mention in this page, since it lacks content. (BlankTH (talk) 02:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC))