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October 2021

For the avoidance of doubt, any other admin is free to lift this block without needing to consult me. Ritchie333 09:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Not fighting it. Though I do love this comment from Nil Einne and your quick redaction of it. Oh, I'm "bludgeoning" people, but personal attacks are A-OK. Then Nil Einne proceeds to go on with the well-spun yarn that Cullen328 started about my "racial slur" with no backing proof. So, personal attacks are A-OK and slanderous attacks are A-OK.

Just to clarify this point brought up by Levivich, I "object to the singular they" because that is not my preferred pronouns. Mine are he/his. It's in my preferences information. To continued to be called "they", after quickly and politely mentioning it, is an insult to anyone who uses the "they/them" pronouns. After mentioning it politely, I'm allowed to get upset, because it was, at that point, intentional.

You see why I'm not fighting this block. Clearly, it's now a free-for-all. Say what you will, do what you want. My lunch break is almost over, I got some vomit to clean up, which is a LOT more enjoyable than this. Do you all even have jobs?

Finally, to Nil Einne, I have almost 74,000 edits to my name, not 66,000. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I just got home about 45 minutes ago. I have dealt with a broken fire sprinkler head, which was caused by a basketball being purposefully tossed at it. I had to deal with the gym teacher who allowed it, who I made stay after and deal with the mess he allowed to happen, and the fire department who automatically show up when the fire alarm goes off when a sprinkler head goes off. I also had to deal with at least 500 gallons of black sprinkler water all over the freakin' floors, carpets, and walls before I could shut the main. It's a fuckin' mess.

Before that, I dealt with two kids puking, one thankfully in the bathroom, but another in a classroom. That was fun. Oh, and my normal cleaning through the day.

Do you know what you all did? Threw insults, piled on, and focused on me....instead of the actual subject. From Levivich, who said he didn't like participating in NFC#U threads he sure seemed to like participating in them. Bilorv actually said "The Exterminating Angel...how else will you be changing your behaviour in future to increase your accuracy?" Like, wow?! Do you think the gym teacher looked at me and asked me "how...will you be changing your behaviour in future to keep me from allowing my students from busting a fire sprinkler head?" No. He screwed up, he took responsibility for his actions, like DrKay should have. Nil Einne, your "apology" was as condescending as they come. You want to apologize for something? Apologize for this comment and your continued spinning a false narrative over my use of the word "buckwheat". I will say this one more time, so listen good, Bubba. "It is not a "racial" term and was not used in a "racial" way, so get your head out of the gutter." There is no substantiative proof that what I said was in a "racial" way, was a "racial slur", or was meant in to "belittle" or "bully" in anyway. That is the diversion and the narrative Cullen328 and you are trying to push and I will not allow it. Not with the day I've had. GoodDay, a lot good that's going to do me since it's been a pile on since the beginning and my "defend myself" led to me getting blocked for "bludgeoning" and you telling me not to return to the discussion. So which is it? Don't return or return and defend myself? Ritchie333, what would you like me to do? Defend myself or take a hike?

Honestly after the day I've had and since I'm still on call, I don't have the time nor the patience to "play with you all right now". That's what this is, it's fuckin' game. I'm waiting on ServPro to finish up and then I gotta go back in, clear the fire department (when I left to get food for myself and feed my cats, I've been eating as I've been typing and I type fast) who still has 3 units on site, and get the carpet people in to replace the carpet, then if ServPro needs back in after, then I gotta do that. Maintenance has to replace ceiling tiles, desks, and basically everything in the room. IT has to replace computers. Front office has to take inventory and I gotta write up a report. Fuckin' paperwork is going to be a nightmare of a half. I will probably be up until dawn. Oh, and I'm waiting on the sprinkler company to replace the head and possibly a pipe, so the whole building is on "fire watch". Plus, we have school tomorrow. I have to have that room spic and span by 6:30a and a meeting with the front office by 7a explaining what happened and how much it just cost the school system.

So, you all continue with your little fuckin' game of "look at me, I'm an admin on a website, I'm important". I gonna put on dry clothes and go back to work. You all continue to play pretend and live in the land of make believe....cause that's all this is. I have to command people from 6 different school departments, 3 county agencies, 3 different companies, a fire department, a police department, and now a sprinkler company and the Department of Public Works (which runs the county's electric). Yeah, I'm in charge. So, you all have fun. I gotta go play in the real world....with a real mop and a real fuckin' hard hat. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Defend yourself on the report about yourself. Let the 'other' ANI report (on DrKay), be pushed by ETA. I don't support blocking/banning you (fwiw). Just trying to get you out of a mess, because I've been down that rocky road before. PS - You can still edit Misplaced Pages, as you're only blocked (temporarily) from WP:ANI. GoodDay (talk) 00:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I have, in fact, had to address a flooded office block, albeit from the IT side. It sucks. When you're in a better headspace, I do want to pick up the somewhat narrow question of editors and when it's appropriate to cite them, because I don't think we'd quite worked through that. Doesn't have to be at ANI, might be better if it isn't. Best, Mackensen (talk) 03:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mackensen: Oh, it ain't over, but I've been home since 3:45a EDT. I've had a shower and I need about 24 fuckin' hours of sleep. Because yeah, it sucks. Better headspace will only come when my supervisors get done crawling up, down, in, and out of my ass for approximately $22,000 in charges to ServPro, a carpet company, a fire sprinkler company (all working double overtime and on emergency call hours) for the damage caused (which I am not getting in trouble for). That's not including the overtime myself and 6 different departments incurred. Then we have to factor in the city's police and fire departments, which we had held for over 8 hours, plus DPW. They had to knock water and power out to approximately 20 customers for 4 hours. So, we had 20 very cold, very pissed off families sitting in a lunch room that we had to feed and kids we had to entertain. Add pizza and sides, plus soda, plus a big ass tip (and I wound up getting food for everyone on site cause I'm nice like that), about $750 before the $500 tip. All told, I estimate about $60,000, but I got to wait on time sheets and documents from every department and company.

But, maintenance has the new desks in and the teacher will be in bright and early to make the room presentable....because it destroyed that room. That's if he has a job to show up to. I will be meeting with the Superintendent and my Supervisors at 3p. I don't have to report since I just clocked out at 3:30a. I pulled an 18 1/2 hour day.

But while I was standing in slop, playing traffic cop with 8 seperate people trying to be in charge (waaay too many cooks, not enough kitchen) and I was in charge, apparently the "insult, berate, and attack Neutralhomer express train" was just a flying through every station. I do so much love this response from Lepricavark which was in response to TEA: You aren't helping. Neutralhomer has dug his heels in very thoroughly both in this thread and the one below. He has insisted on finding fault with seemingly everyone but himself. There are significant behavioral concerns that he needs to address. If your intention is to divert the focus away from Neutralhomer by making vague implications about unspecified bad impressions, then I'm going to tell you right now that it won't work. The best thing is to give Neutralhomer time to reassess the situation and respond here once his blocked is lifted.

"There are significant behavioral concerns that he needs to address." You know what.....Fuck you, Dude! My "significant behavioral concerns" are diagnosed Aspergers, Depression, and Anxiety and they just crushed a fuckin' cleanup which would've had you shitting your pants. When you can get a number of departments to work together, knock out things in a timely fashion, and ahead of your own timeline....guess what?! My "significant behavioral concerns" aren't a fuckin' issue! Maybe in your little "game world" that we call Misplaced Pages, but not in the real world where I just kicked that 18 hour day's ass! Take your personal attack (which I just answered with my own and justifibly so), reassess it's situtation, and then....shove it up your fuckin' ass!

There was the passing of the buck from Bilorv: it seems to me like this needs an RFC or discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Verifiability or somewhere, as ANI is not the place to decide content disputes (only conduct disputes). No, Bilorv, but ANI does deal with behavioral issues, like the ones DrKay exhibited and you lot are falling all over yourselves to cover up and blame on anyone else but DrKay.

But The Exterminating Angel came back and what a fuckin' comeback it was. :) He defended himself against racial allegations, made it very clear how he is, indeed, being treated differently, and drove that point home, he made valid arguments, and even defended me (which is where Lepricavark's response came from). But the coup de grâce was this beautiful piece of work. This kid has my respect.

I find it hysterical cause you all don't realize just has fucked you really are. :) Now, I've had a really bad day and tomorrow (aka: today) isn't any better. So, the entire lot of you, get some fuckin' jobs. Seriously. You have done nothing but "play" on Misplaced Pages. Why the rest of us have been out kicking ass, you have been sitting on your collective asses. If you worked for me, you'd be fired. No back talk, no bullshit, just fired. Real world ain't a game and you don't live behind usernames. Misplaced Pages is a fuckin' game. Only thing is, no matter what, I'll still come out on top....cause you all are hopelessly stuck in the game. You think you are really something. A "Misplaced Pages Admin" ain't shit on a resume out here in the real world. Step outside and blow some of the stink off ya.

Now, I'm going to bed. I have "real world" shit I gotta do tomorrow. I'll probably get woke up before 3a. So, keep the "verbal abuse, slander, and libel" train going. I love documenting every minute of it. You have yourselves a good night and pleasant tomorrow. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Anyway, I've known editors who make life and death decisions, as ER doctors or first responders. I've known editors who have sent men to battle (limited to the Hebrew wiki, however). I've done stuff, too (boast?). Yet, I just don't see what the point is to even bring up any of that up in the context of an editing dispute, seemingly to bolster one's own position while diminishing that of the opposition. Which is to say: as a means of discrediting one's opponents (of whatever variety), ultimately, it comes across as needlessly hostile and OT.

Hope your sleep is restful, sounds like you did some really good work for the kids under challenging circumstances with many moving pieces, where the failure of even one could have derailed everything. So kudos. El_C 14:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@El C: Dude! How ya been?! It is honestly good to see you. I wasn't aware you were still around. :) Hope you have been doing well. :)

The point of my posts (and this will answer GoodDay's question as well) is that while it seems the exact same people spent all day yesterday in virtually the same place talking about me (and editing other articles), I was out doing other things. I wasn't sitting around, wringing my hands and awaiting their verdict. No, I was kickin' ass. I appreciate your kudos, though, that means a lot. :)

We did amazing work and my supervisor, the various supervisors of all the departments, all the other companies, the superintendent of the school system, fire chief, police chief, and a slew of other people who were on a Zoom call agreed we knocked it out. I am insanely proud of not only my crew at my school (I'm lead custodian), but the entire crew that was out there last night. Plus the patience of the residence who's power/water we had to turn off for 4 hours. It got down to 34° last night, so they weren't happy, but they were very understanding, especially when they knew we were having them come over to the school until power would be restored.

In case anyone is wondering, the various departments and companies got a final total this morning, I was conservative in my estimate, it was more like $84,500 in a final total. Yeah, nothing we can do about that. That's what double-overtime on an emergency call will do. The teacher in question who basically allowed it to happen, I can't officially comment, but what I can say is...he'll be paying that amount back in full. He's in trouble for allowing it to happen. He's taking responsibility, but he's in trouble.

But as I said, while basically the same group of editors spent almost all day yesterday (and probably today) sitting on ANI insulting me, I was out with a crew of about 100 kickin' some total ass. My point was, instead of focusing on the "game" that is Misplaced Pages, which doesn't mean squat in the real world (and neither TEA nor I are the focus of the actual discussion), maybe we should focus on either the real focus (DrKay) or just focus on the real world. Because nothing important is getting done. It's just bullshit in and bullshit out. Someone breaks the rules and that person gets away with it...and the person who was the "victim" of that rule-breaking is one who gets punished. Then we have admins wandering about like they are bigshots, when they aren't. They aren't because this is a "game". "Misplaced Pages Admin" wouldn't and doesn't mean squat on a resume and the attitude that these admins bring to Misplaced Pages would get them fired in the real world. So, while they sit and insult and inflate their egos and protect their friend, DrKay, I'm not worried. I'm out there rockin' it and I'm not playing the "game". That is my point. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Why are you telling us things about your personal life? GoodDay (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay: Read above for an answer. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay, Yngvadottir, DeCausa, and Lepricavark: Oh, now we are attacking TEA?

GoodDay: "Competence is required" issues? Why don't you just come out say you are a racist and a bigot?

Yngvadottir: The user is from Mexico and you think the sentence "But now I'm getting a whiff of under a bridge." is appropriate?! You know better, dude! That could be taken in so many ways and none of them good. But your edit summary "AGF is not a suicide pact". Dude, you strapped that fucker to your chest and blew it up. Suicide pact, shit, that was suicide bomb! You didn't care about AGF, you threw it out the window, and went right at the insinuations and unfounded accusations that you basically made up in your freakin' head.

I actually respected you as an editor, now you nothing more than a disappointment to me. One that throws editors under the bus, tows the "protect admins at all costs" line, and it just a racist bigot. Pathetic.

DeCausa: So, because of the plot of a Mexican/Spanish movie, of which shares the name with TEA, you have passed judgement on TEA...because of that sole reason. "Hmmm" indeed.

Lepricavark: I don't think you have NOTHERE room to talk after your little There are significant behavioral concerns that he needs to address. line from yesterday about me. I think you are here to antagonize the situation with insults, insinuations, and unfounded accusations and have now jumped on the racism train with the others. You aren't here to build an encyclopedia, maybe you are the one here to cause a "slow descent from normality into anarchy". Cause I sure don't see you don't much of anything else besides tagging talk pages via AWB. Tough work there. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I can't speak for the others. But your last post here (your talkpage) is starting to try my patiences. FWIW, I'm of mixed race (which includes Latino) & your growing combative approach to the topic at hand, isn't helping yourself or TEA. GoodDay (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoodDay: Yeah and you all are ganging up on a fellow Hispanic Mexican with "Competence is required" bullshit. You are making assumptions. Kinda like I just did, for which I sincerely and whole-heartedly apologize. I don't like to see anyone picked on. I don't like to see it on the job, I don't like to see off the job, I don't like see it online. I will call people out. How about you actually talk to TEA. Cause I'm going to continue to defend him, blocked or not. He's the little guy, he's the new guy. Being Autistic means I have a very strong place in my heart for sticking up for others and defending those who can't defend themselves...no matter what.

...and again, I apologize. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Neutralhomer, your defense of a new editor who you believed to be getting a raw deal does you credit. And I respect your point about your holding a responsible job, though not your assumption that other editors don't. But IMO you've been let down by that new editor (particularly in terms of the invocation of racism). I invite you, when you have time, to look through the points I made at AN/I to justify my no longer extending the assumption of good faith; but it is of course up to you what you think of anyone, myself included. (BTW for future reference I'm a dudette.) Yngvadottir (talk) 00:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Clarification on "dude": Back in the late 80s and early 90s, there was "dude" and "dudette", but "dudette" fell out of style. For us beach bums, we actually used, what could have been the first gender-neutral vernacular and lumped men and women together into the singular "dude". I don't think any one person made this decision, it was just done. It's kinda like the sigular "they" as in "they are going to the store" or "dude's going to the store" or "Dude?, you going to the store?". Could be anyone and is related to no one particular sex or gender. Then again, it was the 80s/90s and it was surfer culture, so we were teenagers and we were focused on having fun at the beach. We weren't really focused on intentionally insulting people, just havin' a good time, plus beach kids (Navy/Marine brats in particular) were/are surprisingly accepting. You grow up around a wide variety of people. :)

So, just for clarification, the "dude" was not done in a rude or intentional way, but I will make a point to curtail that when speaking to you. If I do let it slip, I do apologize ahead of time, but I will try extra hard not to. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Stop accusing people of being racist. And stop insulting people in general.

I do not want to embarrass you on-wiki, but if you make another post like the one you made at 00:32 UTC, I'll block you indefinitely and remove talk page access indefinitely. You are way over the top, and way out of line, and it shows no sign of stopping. This is not a first step in a negotiation, I am not interested in discussing it. I am simply telling you what is going to happen.

I'm not trying to be sneaky or evade scrutiny by emailing instead of posting to your talk page, I am trying to give you an opportunity to de-escalate. But if you think this is underhanded for some reason, you have my permission to post this to your talk page if you want, as long as you post the whole thing.

-Floquenbeam (via email, posted with above permission)

@Floquenbeam: My Misplaced Pages email is connected to my private email with my real name, so I had to respond this way to contain my privacy as much as possible. Though, for the record, I don't believe you were trying to be sneaky or evade scrutiny. Appreciated, though.

Since you brought it up, and I do need clarification, how am I supposed to respond to insults made by other editors and admins toward myself, which are clearly made to elicit response (and break NPA) and the clear R-word (I'm not allowed to say) behavior regarding an editor from Mexico? How am I supposed to respond to that? Am I not allowed to defend myself or am I supposed to just "bend over and take it"? Because that's how it feels right now. Deal with it or get blocked. What am I supposed to do? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I've been subject to a lot of unpleasant remarks during my time here, but your viscous, cowardly, and malicious insinuation that I am somehow racist is about as bad as it gets. You have absolutely no justification for such an accusation and you know it. I am sorry that you have decided to go full scorched earth like this and lash out at everyone who criticizes you. After 14 years and nearly 74K edits, it appears that you've decided to throw away your legacy on your way out the door. I don't know why you've done this, but let's be clear about the fact that you have nobody but yourself to blame. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 04:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lepricavark: "viscous, cowardly, and malicious insinuation"....really? How about you explain this in response to TEA: "You aren't helping. Neutralhomer has dug his heels in very thoroughly both in this thread and the one below. He has insisted on finding fault with seemingly everyone but himself. There are significant behavioral concerns that he needs to address. If your intention is to divert the focus away from Neutralhomer by making vague implications about unspecified bad impressions, then I'm going to tell you right now that it won't work. The best thing is to give Neutralhomer time to reassess the situation and respond here once his blocked is lifted.", specifically this line in particular "There are significant behavioral concerns that he needs to address." Then there is this lovely line "Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of the key indicators of NOTHERE behavior." which is right below DeCausa's despicable comparison of TEA to an unrelated Mexican film plot of the same name. You don't chide them on that, you don't say "that's out of line", you just fall into agreement "Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of..." blah, blah blah. Then you come here and pull this: I don't know why you've done this, but let's be clear about the fact that you have nobody but yourself to blame. No. No sir, you only have yourself to blame for your words and your actions. I sure as hell didn't make you say those things, you said them, you fell in line. That was your attitude, not mine. You want to prove me wrong? Explain what you meant. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you've managed to be here for 14 years without figuring this out, but the fact that my comment lies below another editor's comment does not mean that I am fully endorsing everything that the editor above me said. Utter garbage to call me a racist on such a nonexistent basis. Just unbelievably classless. Did you seriously believe you could come at half-a-dozen editors, spit all over their contributions (thanks for those nasty cheap shots at the countless hours I've spent doing boring tasks that nobody else wants to do, it really shows us all what a big man you are), and then call them all racist bigots? And now you're surprised that one of us had the temerity to fight back? And don't complain about me coming here when you're the one who pinged me. Oh, and as for my statement that there are legitimate behavioral concerns that you need to address, I feel fully justified in that remark. You are, after all, currently under sanctions for problematic behavior. But I suppose you still think you've done nothing wrong. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lepricavark: Ooooh, shaking in my longjohns over here (35°F at the moment out here). I'm glad you feel "fully justified in that remark", it just proves my point. You're just a little "R-word" bigoted nothing, who doth protest too much, hiding behind a username. I've shared this with a few guys here on the job (I'm working, ya see, we're trying to get this fire sprinkler system back online) and the firefighters on scene who are BIPOC...they know of Misplaced Pages, they know it's bullshit, and when I told them of the comments that everyone is making toward me, toward TEA, they don't take kindly to those comments. They actually think that, yes, it is indeed "R-word". Oh and the word I used, but got admonished for, I use all the time with them and they take it in the playful manner it's intended. They throw a couple back my way, we do it laughing. So, yeah. :) In case you are wondering, we are waiting on pipe. Firefighters are doing a "firewatch". So we are sitting here shooting the shit.

So, my "problematic behavior", it's just on Misplaced Pages. I'm still kicking ass out here in the real world. While you get to be "fully justified in that remark" no matter how "R-word" it is or how good it makes you feel. You don't have one up on me. It's still just a "game". You're living in a tiny box on a desk in your room. I'm on a public street, leaned up against my truck, with some Pantera on my radio, thinking about getting another cup of coffee, waiting on pipe, next to an Elementary School. Where in the "game" are you winning? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)