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Thank you BuySomeApples (talk · contribs); I appear to be too late to reply, but I'm happy with the primary hook :). Have a good day, I'm off to get some apples! BilledMammal (talk) 23:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good @BilledMammal:! It looks like my apple propaganda is working... BuySomeApples (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for the update! BilledMammal (talk) 12:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

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Aukus

Good afternoon Sir. I have nominated your work at WP:ITN/C Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I think it is more others work by this point (including your own) but thank you all the same; I find it a particularly interesting turn of events. BilledMammal (talk) 06:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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Y - Done though the lack of specification made it a lengthy endeavour... BilledMammal (talk) 12:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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Y - Done, thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 23:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

FYI: on WP:INVOLVED

You cited this ArbCom case as a reason to believe that INVOLVED applies to anyone who has a "rooted interest" in a topic. This is a misunderstanding of how wikipedia works. ArbCom is not the Supreme Court. They resolve disputes, but their rulings are not binding outside of their specific contexts. They do not create precedents. They do not shape policy. They do not interpret policies in a way that is applicable in any other context. Guidelines and policies are formed entirely from community consensus. And ArbCom does not represent the will of the community in that way. They represent themselves as an alternative and last-ditch method of very specific contextual dispute resolution.

Secondly, you cite WP:NACINV, ignoring the fact that this essay again is entirely about the past tense. If you find a policy/guideline that says an editor should avoid becoming involved in a topic after they close a discussion about it, I would love to read it. Because that would fundamentally change how I interact with the wiki.

Otherwise, please do not cast aspersions in my direction unless you are ready to back an accusation up with policy- and diff-based evidence, on a noticeboard or user talk page. That also applies to @HTGS: Thank you both for respecting my wishes. I mean no disrespect, but it is both unfortunately common, and very much against policy to bring these things up as a "trump card" in discussions such as was done at WP:NCNZ. It was grossly inappropriate and an exact violation of WP:ASPERSIONS. Not enough to do anything about it, but a warning to the wise. Repeated instances of citing misconduct as a reason to WP:WIN a discussion could be brought to WP:ANI. — Shibbolethink 00:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

• I was conflict edited so many times, I will add my out of date thoughts here:

"The rule exists for the obvious reason. A lawyer cannot judge their own case or be seen to be doing so. In this discussion they will have no power beyond their knowledge and persuasiveness, both of which are valuable.

The most important thing for me is that what ever we agree, we all toe the line, best we are able. We can’t do that by excluding 'involved' editors from this discussion." Dushan Jugum (talk) 01:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

• My apologies @Dushan Jugum, it was a very impassioned discussion on my end. As the person who added that collapse, I give you full and unbridled permission (and anyone else who was EC'd and reads this) to re-add their thoughts to the collapsed discussion. I collapsed it because it detracts from the overall ability to read through that already monster of an RfC. But I don't think adding your edit conflicted thoughts to it will impede that goal in any way. — Shibbolethink 01:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

No no, it went through frustrating and ended up funny. I am overjoyed with the collapse, I was finding it hard to navigate the thread and had been there for a while, woe betide anyone who is new. Dushan Jugum (talk) 02:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

• Hi @Shibbolethink

I did have some misconceptions about how ARBCOM works, and though I still find it a little murky I thank you for providing some clarity. However, in this case I don't believe I was relying on those misconceptions; I believe that we are merely relying on it an authoritative clarification (as in "able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable" not "proceeding from an official source and requiring compliance or obedience") of how WP:INVOLVED should be interpreted.

In regards to WP:NACINV, I would like to clarify that I wasn't citing it, but was instead referring to it as an essay that speaks to the points I raise. In particular, I find Closing editors should be aware of any actual, potential or apparent conflicts of interest they may have that could affect their decision making, or give the appearance of impropriety, potentially compromising a consensus reached by the community by casting doubts on a closure. is of particular interest. To me, this would suggest that current but undisclosed conflicts of interest ("rooting interest", as stated by ARBCOM) are problematic, a conclusion that closely aligns with my personal opinions on the matter. I am willing to take it on faith that you did not have a "rooting interest" when you closed the RM's, but your contribution to the later discussion gives the appearance that you did.

I would also like to clarify that when I previously considered bringing the matter to your attention, it was with the aim to post on your talk page rather than the RfC. Further, I would like to clarify that I consider your contribution to the RfC to be "proper", and believe that the formally correct remedy would be to reverse your closures, not strike your contribution, though I would further note that I do not believe such a reversal to be in the best interest of Misplaced Pages; while I do believe that your closure was potentially "improper", I also believe it to be "right" based on the current guidelines and consensus based on those guidelines and so per the example in the second paragraph of WP:SNOW, a waste of everyone's time to repeat.

Indeed, my general hope in joining that discussion on it was to have you consider your future actions in the context of it, and not alter your past actions - although here I erred, and though I don't believe my failure to do so was a violation of WP:ASPERSIONS, being an effort to resolve my concerns with you, I should have moved the conversation to your talk page much earlier, and to this end I have struck my comments on the RfC, and apologise to you now.

I believe this to be in line with your citation of WP:ASPERSIONS, as an information supplement intended to authoritatively clarify WP:PA through relevant ARBCOM rulings

Though there is a debate about whether there was ever a consensus for that guideline, that is a matter to discuss if the RfC closes as no consensus and further RfC's are unable to determine what alterations are required for a consensus to be established, and far too nebulous to consider in closing

PS: I hope nobody minds that I have altered the indentation in the above discussion, in order to better "chain" it. If you do, please don't hesitate to revert

BilledMammal (talk) 02:13, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey, sorry that things went a bit south for you there. For what it's worth, I certainly wasn't suggesting you were breaking rules.

However I did find your closures and subsequent comments in the RfC uncomfortable. As I think BilledMammal put it, it felt outside the spirit of the law. You hinged the closures on acting out the naming conventions as they were currently stated, despite an RfC that was soon to be opened. I would usually hope that any editor would put off closing such discussions until the RfC was closed, especially as the page moves were not of high importance. But then to comment on the RfC with an opinion so far outside of what I expect an informed or considered editor to post... well it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, I guess. The whole thing appeared improper, and as though you were acting with an agenda.

Hope you're dealing ok; I can't speak for everyone, but I certainly wish you no ill will, and I strongly suspect that's true for the others involved. If you're still in med school, or working in healthcare, I'm sure you're well stressed outside of your efforts on Misplaced Pages, so I'm sorry that involvement with the Project had to add stress in your life like that. Look after yourself first. — HTGS (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for getting to that, and for letting me know about the need to notify. I've now updated my preferences (after becoming aware of said preferences) so it shouldn't happen again - it seems it is on by default for all rationales except for C1, R2, R3, and R4. BilledMammal (talk) 02:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

very quietly

hey, BilledMammal, i didn't want to say this on WT:DYK where everyone'll see it, but the reason I asked you to check ALT3f was because we'd went full circle—it was the same as ALT3a. The discussion's archived now—so nothing to worry about really :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

That was a silly discussion on my part, but I will admit I got a good laugh out of it when you pointed out what happened - thank you! :) BilledMammal (talk) 05:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Fishponds of the Třeboň Basin

On 23 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fishponds of the Třeboň Basin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Charles IV commanded the significant expansion of the fishponds of the Třeboň Basin "so that the kingdom would abound in fish and mist"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fishponds of the Třeboň Basin. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fishponds of the Třeboň Basin), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Honestly, you need to stop asking this question. If your suspicion is correct and an individual is a sockpuppet then they will lie and the question provides no benefit, and if they are not a sockpuppet then you have cast WP:ASPERSIONS on an innocent editor. But no, I am not a sockpuppet, and if you believe I am take it to SPI. BilledMammal (talk) 02:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Read the links you post. Read where it says It is unacceptable for an editor to continually accuse another of egregious misbehavior in an attempt to besmirch his or her reputation. Asking an editor a question once is not, and cannot be, "casting aspersions". So no, I do not need to stop asking this question, and asking it provides for further potential evidence in the response. But thank you for answering. nableezy - 02:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

"An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are repeated or severe. If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums." You might argue that this is an innocent question, but it is too pointed to be innocent particularly given your history, and it contributes to the hostile environment in the area.

Of course, this doesn't prevent you from asking the question, but it does require you to provide evidence when you do. BilledMammal (talk) 03:00, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

There has been no accusation. If youd like to report me for casting aspersions feel free. My history? Huh. nableezy - 03:07, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I see that I am not the only editor to have had issues with your approach, and so I have reluctantly done so. BilledMammal (talk) 09:59, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

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