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The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		I award you this barnstar for your many excellent contributions to paranormal articles. - Solar 13:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks orphanbot! It's fixed! Dreadlocke ☥ 05:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Medium

I only looked briefly at your mediumship article but that is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. I think a lot of it could simply be entered stright into Medium, because when one considers the amount of stuff that could be included the current Medium article is woeful. This, I think, is due to the number of "skeptics" on Wiki who have looked brifly at the Skepdic website, don't want anything included in a a way that doesn't tally with Carroll's view, but don't know anything about the subject so can't write anything. The result being the article gets whittled down to nothing. This is exactly what has been happened on the EVP article. Davkal 18:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Draining, tell me about it. I'm currently involved in a two-day debate about the peer-review journal of the SPR not being a reliable enough source for even the existence of an experiment reported in its pages, while all the time unbounded skeptical speculations sit in the article without even so much as a source, reputable or otherwise. Anyway, I think it's a pity that all the good work on mediumship has to be hidden away as it were for fear of censorship.

One of the things I was thinking of doing, was in trying to get the paranormal wiki project to set out a set of much more specific guidlines re the sources for paranormal articles. I am fed up with, for example, finding things in peer-review journals only to have those sources rubbished because some skeptic who has had a quick look at Skepdic decides it's not in line with mainstream scientific thinking, or their own take on things, or something. For example, Askolnick wouldn't even allow Brian Josephson to be called a parpsychologist, even though I had a quote saying exactly that from Physics World, because he (askolnick) decided Josephson's research record was not comprehensive enough for that. I think it would be good to get much mor specific guidlines because at the moment it just seems like arguing round and round in circles at every step of every article with people whose prejudice against anything even paranormal sounding leads them to more and more bizarre arguments. I don't know.Davkal 03:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Self-abducting barnstar

Thanks!

Thanks much, Dreadlocke, for checking in on the TM article and for pointing me to the Guideline on Criticism.TimidGuy 22:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I need to archive the TM Talk page. We sure have filled it with verbiage. I do appreciate your appearing on the Talk page and noting Sethie's personal attack.TimidGuy 02:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the endorsement on my Talk page in response to Sethie's challenges on COI. I really appreciate your feedback. I may be posting an RfC today related to my dispute with Sethie on his disallowing a rebuttal in the cult section.TimidGuy 12:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: EVP

Yeah, strong feelings are the spice of life.. but it can sometimes get in the way of common sense. ---J.S 05:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You're a hero

Thanks, Dreadlocke. Lately I'd been thinking I needed to find a forum to answer questions about verifiability, etc. Sethie seems to be making up rules sometimes. I really appreciate your feedback on the topic and for pointing me to those forums.TimidGuy 22:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Really appreciate your help, Dreadlocke. I've now added an official warning tag to Sethie's Talk page.TimidGuy 12:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the e-mail. And for the action you took. Great to have your perspective. And note the conciliatory message on my Talk page.TimidGuy 20:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Natasha Demkina

I really hate it when there are editors who make it their personal mission to push an agenda on certain entries, it ruins the entire community approach, doesn't it. I'll have a look at your draft, but I haven't read up on the topic much so I think that the most that I can do is to go over the wording.

On a personal level, it always rings alarm bells with me when anybody calls any paranormal ability a gift. I guess that it is a cultural thing. There are a lot of implications to that word. The biggest being that a gift must be given, and in order for something to be given there must be a giver.

perfectblue 07:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

So that you know in advance, I'm a total skeptic about this case (sorry, but I can't rationalize it with my beliefs on scientific, magical or religious healing), but I will accept that any verifiable claim that was made about her and her abilities can and should be documented (I firmly believe that it is important to document what people believe or what they say happens, even if it is/appears to be wrong).

perfectblue 17:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on my own draft in my sandbox, its going to use most of the same information that you have, but broken down slightly differently, and without a few details that I think are irrelevant (I'm treating it as an entry on her abilities and claims rather than an entry on her). It should be shorter and a little more acceptable to skeptics, but without having alleged and so-called every other sentence, and having the core of the paranormal belief in it. I'll do some more work on it and you can see what you think.

perfectblue 08:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Totally-Disputed Template

Hi - thanks for telling me that - I've restored the !votes and changed the result to keep. I just wonder why the person who removed the anon !vote didn't restore the others (even though we're not supposed to remove anon messages). Anyway, thanks :) Martinp23 10:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

If only.

I came across the essay WP:TIGERS today and I wish I had done so a long, long time ago. I'm sure you can see why. :) Cheers, - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 21:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Demkina and the Center

Well, the opening paragraph is her biography, who she is, why she was famous, and what she is doing now. If it doesn't belong there somebody will need to add a "Where is she now" section on at the end which would be a lot more messy.

It's valid information, it means that even though she was not able to prove her abilities to science, she has entered a known institute to continue research of some nature. Taking it out would make it look like she just gave up and went home.

perfectblue 08:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Award

Thanks very much Dreadlocke, That's a great start to the new year, it's always nice to get an award. Thanks again. - Solar 10:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I accept your offer of help!

Thanks so much, Dreadlock. Yes, it would be really great to have your help. My advocate seemed to give me some good advice early on, but mostly he's been somewhat uncommunicative. Plus, it's been kind of an odd situation to have Sethie's advocate appear in my discussion with my advocate. And my advocate acknowledged he has no experience with Medcom. It will be great to have advice from an experienced editor like yourself.

Where should we communicate?TimidGuy 16:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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Guideline on Paranormal

Hello Dreadlocke, I thought you might be interested in an attempt I have made to come to some kind of consensus on James Randi's inclusion in every paranormal article. I think this would be a first step towards a wider guideline on paranormal issues. Let me know what you think. - Solar 19:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wizard (fantasy)

I put in the request for a move. Goldfritha 03:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the notice, I will be away for the weekend and probably will not be able to participate until next Tuesday, Jan 23. Dreadlocke ☥ 00:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries

The mediation hasn't actually begun yet, that was just an indication that the MedCom will take on the case. I'll leave a note on the page saying that you'd rather not begin just yet, and that way no Mediator will take the case yet. How's that sound? ^demon 02:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

OK

No that's fine. Still, "acts" is pretty good, because it is equally objectionable to both believers and skeptics, if they choose to interpret it to mean something besides "hosts".

I accidentally put back in the ESPN thing when removing that horrid summary edit.Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 05:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

He is best known as the host and psychic medium on his shows...

"Performs" isn't really perfect, it's just the best word of its type if you have to use one. It could be interpreted as "actually does," ie he truly communicates with the dead, or he is putting on a performance, ie he is a cold reader, "putting on an act". Do you have WordWeb installed? There's a free version.Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 05:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

"I think the real reason for all the skeptical qualifiers is that the folks who think he's a fake only want the article to say that he's a fake."

Yes, of course. There should be a policy on biography pages saying that the person is generally assumed not to be a fake.

"I hope your and perfectblue's essays are able to counter this type of crap eventually."

Never happen. Dreadlocke isn't helping. The fact is, I've seen your posts, you have gone over these same points, or many of them, many times. I put it on the paranormal project talk page -a link, and I hope it was a little funny-, but no one's responded yet. This can't be effective if it ends as essays. It has to be a general consensus of the paranormal project, maybe of Misplaced Pages policy as well.Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 06:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've heard of Jimbo before, but I think this might be Misplaced Pages history which I never bothered to pick up. I really only started a few months ago, and only just edited parapsychology mainly. Is Jimbo who you go to for everything? Ah yes, I found his page. Sounds like this could become policy (:

Really, you like it? Cool. I wasn't totally sure whether it would strike others as funny or not. I've got to go to bed, see you tomorrow. Martin _{(Talk Ψ Contribs)} 06:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Demkina WP:NOR

Mathworld is purely being used to WP:V Bayes as being "real Math", therefore it is irrelevant that it doesn't mention Demkina. Equally, the research on Bayes was done by Josephson, who is WP:V and WP:RS, which invalidates any WP:OR claims.

perfectblue 11:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal question

Sorry to take so long to get back to you, but I'd rather keep my email address confidential for now. It's nothing personal, I just don't know you.

I can however tell you that I miss the food from my province, and the mountains, but not the silly government officials who spy on you, and that Chinatown is a good approximation of what Shanghai used to be like before they pulled half of it down and started building skyscrapers and expressways everywhere.

perfectblue 14:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Noclevername

I wish to clarify an important point and apologize for a seeming miscommunication. It has been brought to my attention that the sentence that you quoted on my talk page could be interpreted as a personal remark (though I am not certain why you keep referring to it as a personal attack). It was not intended in either way; "defensive" was in reference to the tone and content of your posts on the Talk:Psychic page, and I am sorry if you interpreted it as personal. I admit, my word choice may have made my meaning unclear. My remarks on said page have either been directed at the content of the article, or in response to suggestions about the article's content. I hope that this clears up matters and that in the future you will assume good faith. For my part, I will try to be more careful and explain my meaning more clearly.

In hopes that we can both continue to contribute to Misplaced Pages, Noclevername 06:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Paranormal NPOV principle

Hi,

Thanks for the heads-up on the talk page from Inshannee.

Do you think this would stick?