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is universal name for all people who know arabic and is in and hundreds of million people in Arab world know Haroon was the name of prophet of . He was the person for all ages. More universal. Aron or Aaron is just the word used in english for the people who dont know Arabic or urdu etc. What about the rest of people? should they also call Aaron?

You should change the link of this singer of temporary popularity in current age. Haroon_Singer or Singer_Haroon will be better.

>>Article Haroon is for singer. The Haroon you are talking is Aaron, brother of >>>>>>>>>>Musa. --Spasage 06:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Haroon (Singer) is better. I am moving it. We'll have disambiguation for Haroon, and for singer, Haroon (Singer). Y0u can make separate page for Haroon/Haaroon the brother of prophet Moses. The reason I reverted was you were changing existing article, which was unfair , but I think matter is resolve now. We'll have similar page as Musa. --Spasage 05:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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Dhimmi Article

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Song of Solomon

Your cut-and-pasted Muslim anti-Christian propaganda tirade is completely out of place on Song of Solomon. In any case, some Christians would say that there is nothing in the "Song of Songs" which is as obscene as Qur'an verse 33:50. Not to mention المتبرجة خير من الإرهابي المنتحر ... AnonMoos 20:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Islamic view of the Bibile

Let's keep our ugly little screeds to ourselves, shall we? You've been warned about this sort of disruption before. Do it again and you're off the site. - Lucky 6.9 18:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, Lets keep our ugly little screeds to ourselves. How about the ugly little 10001 anti-islamic articles on wikipedia? Do you think I am a Islamofascist jerk? I could not find the material about islamic view on bible so I used some open source material 'with reference'. Whats wrong? If an antiIslamic goon does such things then there come hundreds of arguments about whether to delete that article or not. Are you really secular?\ Also, I would respectfully say, if you have authority of removing someone from the site, then it does not mean you keep threatening every other person. I hope you understand. VirtualEye 07:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand perfectly and I agree that a few bad eggs are giving the entire Muslim nation a black eye and if someone comes on this site with an anti-Islamic attitude, I guarantee that that someone would get clobbered for bigotry. I'll concede the fact that the King James Bible was written and rewritten to suit the politics of its day; the exclusion of the Gnostic Gospels is a prime example. There is a lot of questionable translation as well. However, the opening statement is what caused me to delete the article because of its very anti-Christian tone, not to mention its "original research" type of layout. If that's not what you meant to do, then please accept my apologies for jumping to conclusions and threatening to block your account. - Lucky 6.9 09:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I appretiate your stance now. The matter with that article about islamic view on bible is that: I could not find an article on that at the moment, so I added a starter while I or someone else would modify it continuously. While I understand that my starter for the topic was too specific instead of looking like a research work. My excuse for that.

I have put some comment on your talk page about Islamic extremists terrorism. I have some reservations about the addition of highly controversial references such as Rober Spencer. Yes, he is best selling in America, but there is more to the World than America. This person owns the website called Jihad Watch which is 99% opposite to the definition of Jihad on this 'reliable' wikipedia.

I also understand the real bad part of Muslims using the name of Jihad, but that is not the all one sided story which is being depicted in Robert Spencer's disinformation.

Please accept my pardon upon any of my fault. Thanks. VirtualEye 09:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

About the Jyllands Posten Cartoons

I just reverted vandalism to the page by a user adding a POV essay. That's the limit of my interest and involvement on this page. Thanks, Kitzke 19:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy

Wat are you talking about? My sole edit to this article was to correct a link to Sarawak Tribune! While I have ideas of my own on this issue, I have preferred to avoid being involved in the debate, and would appreciate others NOT making efforts to drag me into it. Circeus 21:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Adding spurious web sites to Faith_Freedom_International article

Your edit to the article Faith_Freedom_International, was reverted as it added too many spam or non-notable sites to the article. Please discuss any web site before it is added on the articles talk page. Ttiotsw 05:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Ibn Warraq

I have reverted your edit, as it added many non-notable web sites to the article links section without a clear understanding as to the relevance of each link. This gives undue weight to an opposing view and thus makes the article non-neutral. Please use the talk page on the article and allow us to discuss each link to verify, through consensus, how notable and how relevant it is. Ttiotsw 05:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

VirtualEye, do you see a list of opposing websites for Muhammad? Why then a list of opposing websites for Ibn Warraq? This answers your question. --Matt57 03:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You deleted a WorldNetDaily link from Faith Freedom International

VirtualEye , why did you delete the WorldNetDaily link from FFI's page on your edit here? Here is the link you deleted:

WorldNetDaily: Ex-Muslim's site trashes Muhammad

You also deleted:

Coverage of Faith Freedom by Jim Ball of Sydney's radio station 2GB

These are justified links about FFI. Please explain why you deleted these links. --Matt57 14:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Stop adding your generic cut-and-pasted anti-Christian propaganda tirade to "Song of Solomon"

Please do not add nonsense to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Song of Solomon. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. AnonMoos 14:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

And don't forget -- المتبرجة خير من الإرهابي المنتحر !

Christian terrorism

If you are going to so radically edit the article, you need to start a discussion on the talk page. If you had checked the talk page, you would have seen that all of your additions had been ruled out. Please do not continue this, or I will be forced to contact a moderator. Please leave something on the discussion page.--MarcusAnniusCatiliusSeverus 19:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to Talk:Islamist terrorism

Your vandalism to the Quranic Quotes section of this page has been undone. If you have a comment you'd like to say about these verses or about someone elses comment, say it at the end of the comment. And make sure to sign your name at the end of your comments.--Sefringle 06:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edits

After finding your comments on Talk:Islamist terrorism, I proceeded to read several of your edits and have noticed a very biased style of writing. While strong opinions are essential to building a solid encyclopedia, your writing is far across the thin line of Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. Additionally, I would dispute the credibility of one of your frequently cited sources, Answering-Christianity.com . From the limited previewing I did of the site, I noticed a point of view that was disturbingly (to me, at least) extreme.

One of your common arguments is that there is a large amount of anti-Islam bias in Misplaced Pages, which is an example of systemic bias. There are many more people with anti-Islam sentiment editing the English Misplaced Pages than there are people with pro-Islam viewpoints.

I guess the main point I am trying to make is that you have been asked time and time again to adhere to the Misplaced Pages guidelines, you still refuse to do so. Also, some of your comments on discussion pages are downright inflammatory to a large number of people. Reading and familiarizing yourself with the Misplaced Pages Policies and Guidelines and the Guide to Writing Better Articles. I know that while this comment may seen Megalomaniacal, that is in no way my intention. My goal is purely to help you contribute the best way you can, and these comments might be able to help you. Regards, Hojimachong 05:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Nonsense edit in Zionism

Please do not add nonsense to Misplaced Pages, as you did to the Zionism page. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. ←Humus sapiens 11:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA ←Humus sapiens 09:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I am being insulted by you. What is the point to first remove my added references and then calling them 'nonsense'? Anything which is related to Zionism that will come under the topic Zionism. Those Jews referenced have their organizations negating the cause of Zionims even being Jews themselves. What is the point to call that nonsese? Either you are a Zionist that you dont like those Jews who are against Zionism or their is some other problem with you. VirtualEye 09:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Israeli flag

Dude, cutting out random chunks of article Israeli Flag without giving any good reason, or explaining yourself on the article talk page, is not going to cut it. AnonMoos 08:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

How are you doing?

Hiya,
I just wanted to stop by and briefly chat with you, as you seem to be bit stressed lately. Have you considered taking a short breather? Sometimes people or events here on Misplaced Pages can stress quite much - a couple of months ago I was really bad under the weather (stress and temper wise) and my edits were less than civil until I decided to quit (I thought I was gone for good back then, it was that much stress) but a couple of days later I came back; that break really refreshed me. So, I'll offer you a bit of advice: If you feel stressed, take a breather before you are pushed too far. A couple of hours break can really make the difference. Don't let the stress get to ya! Best wishes. CharonX/talk 02:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Seriously man

Dude, I don't know what your problem is, but you need to stop. Now. You come to Misplaced Pages, troll around, and argue with people over things that the Misplaced Pages community has already deemed to be fine. If you want to make constructive edits, go ahead, but dont be dumb. We don't want to hear your opinions about "collateral damage" and stuff in the Zionism article. Maybe this arrogance is why you get bombed, idiot. Go hump a camel, islamofascist.Cheesemonger2250 22:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, you mention on the administrators board that the USA is not the "master of coutries." It sure isnt, but Misplaced Pages is headquartered in Florida (that's a state in the US), and therefore abides by US laws. If you arent allowed to view the cartoons in Pakistan, don't access the article.Cheesemonger2250 22:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

what the %%$# you are pouring on my talk page? "Go hum a camel"? this is your truth of secularism and your talks about wikipedia community? keep your Filth to yourself and dont abuse others. VirtualEye 14:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I have blocked that user, since the only contribution they made was to your page. Feel free to remove this section from your talk page. HighInBC 14:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage

That "I blow myself up" kind of poetry is highly inappropriate here. Please remove it yourself before some else did. ←Humus sapiens 10:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

These people abuse everthing and give us WP:Not. How can they object it? --- ALM 14:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

However, dear brother cool down. Work hard and create Islamic state because secularism is now against all religion. Enjoy and listen music like this one |Damir Niksic: "If I wasn't muslim".  :) --- ALM 14:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might find this extremely funny. It shows the ignorance of the disgusting Zionist scum and the propoganda used to brainwash them. (Ssd175 06:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)) (by the way, i think your poetry is fine and humus sapien is just being a little oversensitive and ignorant)

Your user page

I have blanked your user page. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox - user pages are there to assist in the project, not for political arguments. Hipocrite - «Talk» 14:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

You can read more about our userpage policies at WP:USER, and more about what Misplaced Pages is not at WP:NOT. Thanks. HighInBC 14:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

you cleared my page just because 'you' dont like it. If a christian has the right to give any refereces of Islam hatered websites, and a Jews has complexly built rubbish user page then whats the problem with my page? My page means "MY USER PAGE" and that will reflect what I think and not what your president says. I did not use any fetish sexual terms nor I named any of christianity or Jewish relgions. Mind it please. VirtualEye 14:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

No. I cleared your user page because it is a violation of our guidelines on user pages, located at WP:USER. Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read WP:OWN, no part of Misplaced Pages is yours, not even your user page. This has nothing to do with religion. This is about policy. Please do not use Misplaced Pages to campaign beliefs. Also, I don't have a president, I am Canadian. HighInBC 15:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh really? not using wikipedia for campaign of beliefs? | This user's page looks to you exactly according to WP:USER Policy????? Why your all cannons are directed towards me? This page I mentioned is secular in your definitions? (No offense)VirtualEye 15:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Take it to ANI and we will discuss there. There is nothing wrong with his user page. Firstly there is nothing wrong with the user page and secondly even if it is against policy then I give your 100s of other user pages with similar stuff. Apply policy equally everywhere. There are user pages saying that "Quran support terrorism" but you allow them. How the hell someone object this. --- ALM 15:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

We try to apply policy fairly, if another user has a userpage against policy bring it up at WP:ANI. I don't think we allow statements like "Quran support terrorism", at least I wouldn't. This userpage has already been brought up on AN/I before I got here. HighInBC 15:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It was on ANI and after discussion they allow him to keep it. Wait and I try to find it for you again. Even my page was on ANI and discussed in detailed. It is his views and as long as he do not edit pushing his POV, wikipedia should leave them there (as normally they have done in past). --- ALM 15:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

We need more opinion on this then, please post your concerns at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Query_inappropriate_user_page where this was first brought up. HighInBC 15:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Show me where it was on ANI? I want to see people comments that how they can support double standards. Give the URL please. --- ALM 15:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What is all I did is I talked only about my point of view as an observer and editor. Ofcourse I should not violate the policy, but then others also should not. And ofcourse user page is not a wikipedia article page As to be mentioned on the user page "This is not an encyclopedia article.". I hope you understand, thanks VirtualEye 15:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree that others should also follow policy. You can post problem userpages at WP:AN/I. If you wish to discuss your userpage a discussion is already at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Query_inappropriate_user_page, if the consensus of the others finds me wrong then I will accept that. HighInBC 15:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Until the discussion is over there is no reason to blank it. --- ALM 15:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow, a content dispute on a userpage... (I'm trying to stay neutral, please don't flame me) --science4sail con 03:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh...

VirtualEye, I would like to apologize for some of the comments made while we were discussing on Talk:Islamist terrorism. Some of my comments were highly offensive, and I see now that they may have hurt you. I still do stand by my opinions, but realized that I could express them without so much... anger. Please accept my apologies. Hojimachong 05:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Its ok. Its better If people keep on digging about truth, instead of what media pours in their brains, then there is no need of apology. If you want some further eye-openers about media and hypocricy then personally let me know. A person who thinks that he knows everything is actually an ignorant person. And since in the current case, since we Muslims are the object and others are accusing so we can claim to know better about our concepts and ideologies instead of other people like these and theseexplaining them for us and still claiming that they know all.

Anyway, I welcome your any fair comment. VirtualEye 05:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might find it interesting that Americans also find this kind of humor extremely funny. One very popular late-night TV show (The Tonight Show with Jay Leno) features a weekly segment of "ordinary" Americans being interviewed on the street about current events by the host of the show, Jay Leno. Most of the answers are... a bit off, to say the least. While it in no way reflects all Americans and is a gross stereotype, it is fun to laugh at some people's misconceptions or downright ignorance. Just thought you might enjoy that bit of humor. Hojimachong 06:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont mean to disgrace Americans but to give examples that everything is not fine. I personally give respect to many many Americans for their being fair and decent and not being brainwashed. Just to clarify I give you an example. Where did Mr. Bush get most of votes from? From Texas and other states where more people are illiterate or extremists, while Bush could not win from those areas where people are more aware about how stupid he is. It is an example of how people vary. That is why, when I mention about hypocrisy of Americans then it does not mean all of them but some of them who are in power unfortunately and have taken over the media and financial institutes. That is why I many times used the word 'American Regime" and not Americans always. Ofcourse their are many people who do not know the complete facts and just start to sport the scums such as war on terror etc. But then there are many people who know the truth about hypocrisies too (but most of such people are not in power unfortunately and are not interested in policts etc.). When I refered about Professor Noam Chomsky, he was infered as one of the most finest minds of 20th century by a reputed American Magazine, but he himself told that he is not given the due coverage in the newspapers just because media owners do not like people to be influenced. Had there been fair owners of media, Professor Noam Chomsky as well as many others would have told Americans much more about the truth as compared to what they know now. Fortunately this is not the case of media in Eastern Countries, in Eastern countries all the media can not pour same rubbish into minds of people, and the reason is that there are different owners for different media orgs, everyone is speaking his chirp, so it is much easier to get all point of views and this increases the possibilities to identify the truth in that is also more easier, but this is not possible when you dont have many options but only the Hypocrite scum of 2 or 3 Zionist media owners.

I hope you liberate more yourself and do not feel disgraced, as I do not consider all people foolish and ignorant but many of them. VirtualEye 07:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Repeat WP:USER violations

This has nothing to do with our opinion of your ideas, or your poem. It is a blanket policy that does not allow using Misplaced Pages for campaigning a point of view. I have removed your poem again, and I have protected your userpage from editing for 2 days.

After the 2 days are over you are welcome to create a userpage within the bounds of WP:USER. Please to not return your poem, there are many websites out there where such things are welcome, but this website is for making an encyclopedia.

Please know that simply being persistent will more likely result in you being blocked from editing than changing things. If you disagree with the WP:USER policy, you are welcome to go to it's talk page and propose a change. Thank you, peace. HighInBC 05:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It is his userpage, I think he should be a able to say what he wants on it. If it lets people know that is who he is then why not? (Ssd175 06:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC))

You did not answer my most obvious question. Are the Policies only for me? There are dozens of wikipedians with religious and personal content on their user pages? how many of you have blanked and threatened?

Anonmoos should this user page be blanked? Not think so because it is very much acceptable for you, then why would you even think about Policies while looking at his page, right? While at the same time his user page is purely a bunddle of religious scum to me. If he can claim all the thingy what 'he' believes about christianity, then why cant I claim the matter 'I' believe aboutMuslims? I am simply not selling anything here but giving the Muslims' as well as Many Atheists' as well as some Christian's point of view. And if you find it trouble to look for such source of christians and atheists who think Muslims are facing the situations as depicted in my poem, then please let me know, I will give you a bunddle of sources about that. VirtualEye 06:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

He's writing an encyclopedia article on his user page. There are no polemics there that I saw. Hipocrite - «Talk» 11:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Does that thing make you 'hipocrite'? He is talking about Christiany and trinities blaa blaa on his page. And for you kind info, believing in trinity is abuse to the the God which is believed in Islam to be Only One God. And please keep in mind, association of anyone to the One God is considered The Biggest Abuse/Disgrace in Islam. Does that mean I should shut all the Christianity by force? NO. It means the I let him believe what he believes and let him face his fate. and I expect others also dont ban my content about what I believe. If you think that my poem is offensive then please keep in mind that belief in trinity is much more offensive abuse to our God (so as to me also). But as a matter of fact, we Muslims are told not to force anyone about Islam but even do not disgrace their sacred personalities or symbols. But unfortunately we Muslims dont get the similar decent response except the civilized hypocrisy under the so called policies.

VirtualEye 12:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to work on articles in your userspace. You are not welcome to write polemics. Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, the reason User:AnonMoos can have what he has on his userpage, is that he is working on an article for the encyclopedia. He is collecting information from previously published sources, with references, and writing about it in an encyclopedic style. Eventually this article may be moved into the encyclopedia space for use in academics. You are welcome to write an article for Misplaced Pages, but it will be held to the standards found here: Misplaced Pages:Five_pillars.

I assure you we are not holding a double standard, at least we are trying not too. I will gladly address any other concerns you have. HighInBC 15:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

>>encyclopedia space for use in academics.

Hmm, nice. Can you please tell me one thing? All the killings done by Islamists are to be included in the wikipedia articles about terrorism. While on the Christian terrorism page few incidents such as abortion and others are discussed. Where do you fit the killing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims by the invasion of many countries? I am asking this because, the view of you wikipedians, the mass murder and invasions done by American Regime, niether fits int he articles about America, nor does it fit in Christian terrorism (thoug President bush says he is told by God whatever he is doing) nor does it fit in any other article. Where is that cited in so called "Academic" articles in wikipedia?

While you can see the detailed "Scholastic"(so called) reference to each and every nonmuslim's killing incident. Is there any prominent article about that terrorism and sick thinking which is bringing invasions and mass murders of Muslims and 20000 pound bombs which had been banned by UN, and chemical and radioactive bombs which had been banned by UN. And name you give to that terrorism which inspired US to invade Iraq even it was opposed by many other powers and UN too?

Can you refer me an prominent article to tell 'what kind of terrorism is that?' I am sure, there is no such article and if I wrote that will be trashed away, becuase 'why would 90% of wikipedians who are American Patriots would like even single such referece?'.

My only complaint is about the hypocrisy. When there is some Islamic organizatio to accuse then the article becomes very "Academic". When there is other opinion needed then even a single reference is trashed immediately by the army of editors. It is same as, you bring 100 academic wrestlers at one side in front of 1 or 2 at the opposite side, and then you ask both of the team to fight under policty and under law and wresling ethics. Who will win? Same way, Muslim members of wikipedia are just told to follow policy and keep on getting slaps at their face from the rest of 90 or 95%. Thats all yourhonor. VirtualEye 05:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, regarding Christian Terrorism, there are much fewer examples and generally less information because in terms of world affairs, Islamic terrorism is much more prominent. I'm not saying that there are more incidents of Islamic terrorism than Christian terrorism, but you can't argue that every single news agency in the world is much more likely to gain popularity if they discuss Islamic terrorism. Therefore, the concern of most Wikipedians is probably going to be Islamic terrorism. As a Christian, I know that every true Christian (those who call themselves that and those who are truly that in the eyes of the Christian God) denounces these attacks as terrible. Eric Robert Rudolph is the name that comes to mind when any average American is asked about Christian terrorism. To a lesser extent, people may have heard of the bastard found at that link.

Islam and Christianity are both seen by the world as religions of peace. However, the perverted (IMHO) form of Islam followed by Islamic political soldiers/mujahideen/terrorists (take your pick) is inherently violent. This form is preached as being violent and hateful, such as the WBC. I think it might be fair to say that the Westboro Baptist Church is to Christianity as Al-Qaeda is to Islam, with AQ being a bit more violent and widespread. Take a look at the WBC article; it is about somebody who calls themselves a Christian, and is comprehensive in its description of his evil ways. Thanks for your time, Hojimachong_con 03:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I agree to to many points you made. But the thing about Al-Qaeda you mentioned is totally wrong. Any violent act comitted by some muslim individuals or organizations is just named as Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda has become a trash backyard. Wherever bomb blasts or some persons are killed, the first name which comes to the minds of Americans (or westner people) is Al-Qaeda. My point to make is that, there is more to the world than Al-Qaeda. In this age, hundreds of thousands of people have access to the information of how to make bombs. What do you think, if a person learns to make bomb or makes a bomb then first of all he goes to Al-Qaeda to bet membership? Al-Qaeda is the name of very very few violent people and a bunch of videos. Thats all.

P.S. When I ask you to unlearn the things which American media has poured into your mind, I am in no means to insult you, because I think you are honest in presenting your stance but just you have been overlearnt by the one sided media. Pardon me if you still feel offended.

VirtualEye 11:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The only response I made was that in world politics, there is a much bigger concentration and in general much more concern about Islamic militant organizations. I compared Al-Qaeda to the WBC, which is a freak organization of radical "Christian" bigots. I was saying that I am assuming that most Muslims do not agree with the actions of Al-Qaeda, and that they are a very small part of the Muslim community, if they are considered Muslims by the Muslim community at all. I just wanted to let you know that I do recognize the difference between the rocket attacks in Israel (which can be justified as freedom fighting) and the cowardly bombings of Al-Qaeda (which is just one of many Islamic terrorist movements, and definitely the most extreme). Hojimachong_con 15:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

15 Minute Block

You have been blocked for 15 minutes for disruption. Talk:Muhammad is very contentious and it does not help for you to call others names and interrupt the discussion on the page. You are welcome to participate but you cannot call other users hypocrites or be so confrontational about it. We all have our views and I can tell you that the solutions we are coming up with are far from ideal--however, you must work with others in collaboration. Again--you are welcome to participate but you cannot do it in a rage. You must follow the discussion and civilly comment on it. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. gren グレン 13:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Simple is that, I only called hypocrites as hypocrites and not to all people.

And by the way, its very strange that my all reasoning is just nothing for you, but you come out with one word to discuss and that is 'hypocrite'. Nothing else? VirtualEye 14:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Virtual Eye, I blocked you and only commented on 'hyprocrites' because to write a collaborative encyclopedia you must work under certain protocols where we do not allow users to outright insult and disparage others. I perfectly understand that we can "tear people with civilized sweet KNIVES" and I am by no means saying that you are uncivilized and others are because they stay calm. We have had some vehemently anti-Muslim editors over time who do use nice language to help try to incorporate content that they believe will insult Islam. But we do need ground rules because if we let everyone argue in such a way nothing will get done. We understand that just because some users are quiet does not mean that they are more respectful or considerate than others--they can have venemous intent but I hope you understand that there are certain aspects we can control such as the language we use to address others and we will make sure that remains respectful.

I also want to posit this idea to you. For Muslims there is Islam--God's religion. For academics writing an encyclopedia there are many Islams that have been practiced over time. You have the classical Sunnijurists, you have the Ahmadis which many Muslims do not believe are Muslim, you have the Shia. All of these groups call themselves Muslim and as an academic we will not deny that any group is Muslim. In this sense Muslims drew many images depicting their view of Muhammad and put them in texts. You may not believe this is proper but they did and they have a right to articulate Islam as they see fit. You must be able to separate how you view Islam from the multitude of ways people believed they were practiciing Islam throughout history. gren グレン 17:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for your time spent in writing. I have never tried to vandalize any article but I had been aggressive on the talk pages that I accept. But I gave the last example of goat, that we are being abused, we are the victim and at the same time we have to be our own advocate. If you have privilege to view the statistics the you might better know that in case of religious articles most of Muslim wikipedians here are busy in defending the articles related to Islam while most of the nonmuslim (christians, atheists, jews, hindus) wikipedians are not much busy in defending their own articles but they are busy in offending the Islamic articles in a so called civilized way. And you know the reason (if you dont, then let me know please). Those very small number of Mulsims will only spend their scholastic energies in other religious articles IF and only IF they get some time from stopping the massive attacks in Islamic articles. Thats all. Sorry if I offended any fair person VirtualEye 05:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

VirtualEye 05:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Longer block

I have blocked you for your threatening language, disruptive personal attacks, and incivility at Talk:Muhammad. This is a collaborative effort. If you are not prepared to work with others, you will not be able to work here. To request a review of this block put {{unblock|Reason why}} on this page. Tom Harrison 15:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that second block was little too harsh. He is very new here and it will be a good gesture to let him settled down. Remember we also have policy WP:BITE. I am not encouraging him at all and his behavior was indeed wrong. However, he think everyone is biased which I agree is very wrong thinking. Infact I also have that thinking on very first day. They have written on OBL page that he is guilty and I want to change it to "allegedly carried out attacks" because it is not proven guilty in court. Hence on my very first day on very first edit I earn a WP:3RR warnings (my first and only offical warning). However, after some discussions on talk page finally they agreed to change it to "allegedly" and then I realize that wikipedia is cool. He just needs some similar kind of change to realize that there are "mostly" fair people around. He will never reach to the point where I reached on my very first day if you keep banning him. Please take him as a new comer. He might be a valuable assert to wikipedia if you give him some free air to breath. Just like I can be if I can spend more time here (which I cannot because of my personal commitments). --- ALM 09:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. ALM, thanks for your motive for being positive. Actually I have to clear again and again, that my stance is not the disgrace all people nor do I think all wikipedians are biased. The problem comes with only the articles about religion. Many many people have been brainwashed by the hypocrisy of the very few western media channels. Even there are some people who are intentionally not biased but have been nutred in typical environment. While there are many people who are not muslim but they have been very fair in their intension as well as participations. I appreciate them. The problem comes when people dont understand that there are black sheeps who have gathered just to throw hatered about Islam related Articles.

To make a topic as NPOV both point of views have to be included. And I agree that somebody can not be blamed just because he is in disagreement with me. But we have to look for the balanced point of view then. In any article against Islam, you will find 5 or 6 nonmuslim users totally dominant and equiped with some moderator too, reverting the edits done by muslim wikipedians repeatedly and name our edits to be vandalism or irrelevant references. How do you give equal weight to the few muslims and a lot of nonmulims about such a topic? Ofcourse votes against the muslims' edits will be counted and considered as concensus.

And I am not too youg at this website. I am just sick at the bias. VirtualEye 10:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Even the things you have said above are not totally true. I think there are many Muslim editors around. I am not active but see for example User:Aminz, User:Bless sins, User:Itaqallah and see the long list at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Islam. There is few biased editors but many people around are good. I feel in fact majority is good. I do not have time but if you have then go to library get books and start editing with good refrences. If they revert your well-referenced material then come to me and I will tell you what to do next. If you just want to give your straight talks then you will blocked again and again. We Muslim will lose a potential good contributer. Do you think that will be your service to Islam (getting blocked for nothing)? Hence my borther, you can make more difference by keeping your thoughts to yourself and contribute positively. You cannot tell them to change themselves and not listen to their media (even if what you are saying is right). If you concern about Muhammad pictures then give your input at on going mediation. Because that mediation can change things, I strongly encourage your to contribute there. Its URL is Talk:Muhammad/Mediation. I hope to see a new changed User:VirtualEye. Okay you are like my brother hence do not take me wrongly. Wassalam. --- ALM 11:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouraging words indeed, but I cant edit any article including Talk:Muhammad/Mediation, I can just edit my talk page. Wassalaam VirtualEye 11:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Use {{unblock|Reason why}} and explain to them that you will respact to others and was new here so block was harsh. Tell them to give you second chance. I know they will immediately revoke the block (because they are not bad people ... believe me). Then you can contribute in good manner and make real difference here. Wassalam --- ALM 11:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

We have a technical problem, then, as his block was supposed to end many hours ago; as you'll see, Mr. harrison had attempted to reduce it even before this conversation began.Proabivouac 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I first blocked for 31 hours. After thinking about it and talking to some people, I thought that was too harsh, and I reduced it to 3 hours. Then I did not place the second block correctly, and caused the autoblocker to block your ip address when you tried to edit. So you were blocked longer than you should have been and longer than I intended. You should be able to edit now. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Harrison 13:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Its ok Mr. Harrison, you need not feel sorry. The matter is that I only feel offended upon wrong intensions and neither disagreements nor mistakes. Thanks for the unblock.VirtualEye 02:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Longer block Why

I was blocked for 15 minutes, then why does come one more penalty? I did not give any comment since last 16 hours I think. And I think you did not learn a single reason from my comments except my few harsh words. If there are sweet and sour candies in jar then you dont throw them all just because you dont like sour candies. In using your athority, please try not to lash me sometimes and listen to the logic too (despite my so called rudeness). Then you can start using your right of penalizig me again. VirtualEye 05:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Please take the time you are blocked to review wikipedia policies; WP:NPA WP:NOT WP:COI WP:NPOV WP:AGF are probably all good starting places for you. I've noticed you tend to say what wikipedia policy is, while actually being far off the real policy. Hopefully reading and reviewing these will improve the quality of your edits, and help you understand where other editors are coming from -- feb 06:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As I said, I dont have objection on the policies but its biased use. If a sheriff has the license to kill a robber, then thinking that there is a robber who is actully a friend of sherif, then he does not use the license to kill but arrests him, but when there is some robber from his enemies, he immediately uses his totally legal right to kill and declaring that what he did is under the law. Bother actions are under the law, yet there is a bias which nonbody can object and nobody can ask the sheriff was why did he arrest the first robber but killed the second one. Why? because he followed the law in both ways. Simple is that. And I hope you are wise enough to understand what does it have relation with Policy matters. I do NOT disagree with policy statements. VirtualEye 08:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Autoblocked

VirtualEye, your block was lifted so you are likely being autoblocked. Follow the instructions here so that this autoblock can be lifted. (→Netscott) 12:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It was the autoblocker. I did not set up the second block correctly. You should be able to edit now. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Tom Harrison 13:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Terrorism

Politicians and linguists are not researchers in the field of terrorism, and therefore are not reliable sources on the subject. Jayjg 13:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

So you mean to say a linguist or politician can never be researcher in the field of terrorism? You only consider a researcher in terrorism who is certified by CIA or SKY news or CNN? What kind of lame excuses are these. VirtualEye 16:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)