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==Trentino-Alto Adige== | |||
You may be interestd in stating your opinion about ]. --] (]) 13:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
Hello, I would like to know your opinion on this extreme behavior of Germans such as Gryffindor. They have pushed their POV and moved everything to this South Tyrol. Even the list the Province of Bolzano now as South Tyrol. I feel this is an absolutely shameful and unethical way to use WP, and it should be brought to neutral administrators. ] 19:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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hey supparluca, long time no see. i have a great timing for logging back in and finding a new circus has started. I think in the future, it is not worth reverting over these silly issues, simply go to someone like Lar and have him mediate. Of course you are correct that the map should show both Alto Adige and South Tyrol. But, you know very well the agenda that Gryfindor and Rarelibra have had now for such a long time. At this point, I just can't comprehend why they do this... Anyway, I'll support you, of course. ] (]) 20:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
Please respond to Lar's offer, if anything with a thanks! ] 18:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
==province of italy page== | |||
==Historical== | |||
hi supparluca, where there ever a resolution on that image on the province of italy page? rarelibra told me he had agreed with my idea to use a multi-term image name, and i assume to also include all the names in the image (per agreement with lar). i just wanted to check if we need to get everyone to clarify this on the trentino-alto adige/seudtirol page, or what. cheers, ] (]) 17:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
Ciao supparluca, i hope you know that when i bring up the history it is to point out much of the irony in these discussions. i'm laughing now that martin/emes wants to believe that italians were never in that area, when in fact the romans arrived 2000 years ago. anyway, i believe we are all of this region, country, continent, etc. the austrians and greeks are all our cousins -- at least that is how i see it. i believe an "italian" must have done something bad to martin/emes these past few years.. i don't know. ] 19:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I replied on my page. ] (]) 20:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
::These "people" like PhJ, Gryffindor, Matthead -- amazing... ] (]) 22:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hi, similar to the request made for ], can you provide an opinion for this page request? I'm familiar and have visited this town a few times, and even the local inhabitants use "Ortisei" for basic promotion in English. ] (]) 22:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
I re-opened the discussion on the move of ] and ]. If you want to say your opinion, you're welcome. --] 07:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I have re-opened again as well. ] 10:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Ortiseiani?== | |||
==Motion to close mediation== | |||
I am afraid, Luca, ortiseiani is pure nonsense (I prefer an answer on your talkpage -thanks) --] (]) 08:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
A very important note. This mediation offer concerned the greater overall naming convention to use in this region, not just the name of the region itself. We came up with a very good compromise for the regional name itself. I for one am still looking forward for ] to help us out. ] 21:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
:''Suppar''luca, thank you! Well, I can imagine it isn't used very often, but I found it . I find strange also the demonym "gardenesi" for people from Ortisei, though. I don't know.--''']]''' 09:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Hey, welcome back== | |||
Good to see you back Supparluca. I think it is fine to use Province of Bolzano-Bozen and Bolzano (Bozen) though. This fits general convention for dual-language communities like in Canada. ] 22:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I got your message. I had the userid taalo, but from how a lot of these people act, i wanted to just be away from this wp. but, overall, i guess i still can't throw away my idealistic side. so i rebirth with a more serious account. at least i made a more detailed user page. :} ] 17:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Placename conventions== | |||
Hi, thank you for your message. I appreciated that you explained your point of view. I was not aware that a consensus had been reached about the naming convention that you described, but I'll be most glad to stick to the rule in my next contributions. I would probably prefer a "dual name" convention (Bolzano/Bozen, Helsinki/Helsingfors, Biel/Bienn) but I understand that many entries would become excessively complicated to read. | |||
Also, it seems to me that the naming convention (one main placename used in the heading and the corpus of the entry, other placenames quoted in the first line) should be used '''consistently'''. Therefore, it has been Bolzano and Brixen (or Meran), otherwise we're facing a classic case of double standard. I would like to point out that I'm not at all interested to participate in an exchange of opposite POVs about everything that lies between Brennerpass/Passo del Brennero and Salurn/Salorno. I think that a neutral and "politically correct" wording is a very wise solution that clears the way from any charge of "Italian POV" in these entries. | |||
By the way, I've been adding some improvements in style and vocabulary to the entry about ] because the existing text in English was a bit weak at some points. Any feedback will be appreciated. Take care, ] 14:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
==RfC on Gryffindor== | |||
Lets put in a formal request. I saw he is doing more admin abuse while I was on break. This is not proper to constantly use admin powers to push his strange nationalism. ] 07:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Blizzard Entertainment== | |||
I reinstated your reverts of my edits on ], with explanation . --] 07:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
==move request== | |||
Hey Supparluca, Do you mind checking out ] for a move request? We have to talk sometime too about finally getting a fair solution for the T-AA/ST debacle. ] 01:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Saw your vote, lets debate a bit then. :-) I think the case is that TN and BZ are the two provinces in Italy that have this Autonomous Province of... title, that is why I think it is worth noting. Plus, when I listen to the online radio from the area, I hear them all the time say Provincia autonoma di Trento after they make some advertisement about visiting Trentino. So maybe I heard it so many times, now I want it to be right on English Misplaced Pages too. :P Anyway, do reconsider. ] 11:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
::I think you'll like my reply on the TN page. hah. ] 17:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Please check the talk page, we made a mistake in the move. More Italian speakers surround the river. ] 22:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:the conversations on this page remind me of why I really dislike this whole debate and a lot of the people involved. :( I feel sorry for you, someone who lives in BZ, that there are people that act/think like this. I was reading some stuff on unionfs, and was completely shocked; but then it fits very well with the mentality of many people I see on here. I applied ''their'' criteria using correct mathematics, and I feel I get bashed. ] 20:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
==SVP== | |||
AndreasJS pointed me to this: Had you seen this? Is the SVP actually hoping to erase all the Roman/Italian names? O_O ] 00:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for the information. I hope they have a good purpose, this SVP. Ilario makes me laugh when he said you must be new. :-) I remember Emes saying once they met in Bolzano and discussed everything and came up with the method they will use. I just find it very funny that a few Wikipedians can get together and think they have decided for the World. :-) They are but a few people with their own opinion. Still, you see people like Emes, his opinion is just on the hyper-extreme; no concept of really compromise, sharing, or even being half way relaxed. :)) Anyway, if you know some good editors, do ask them to come over and discuss. It would be nice if we can get more fresh ideas. ] 17:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
==BZ== | ==BZ== | ||
Hey Supparluca, I was looking at the discussion on the T-AA/ST page just now. You know what, sometimes it is really bothersome looking back at what happened with regard to Misplaced Pages on this province. I'm rather disgusted how German speakers decided that the Germanic way is the only way, and thus the way that must be used in English. The original method that was being used, as I'm sure you remember, was simply to translate everything directly from German Misplaced Pages. This happened in English Misplaced Pages, and also Esperanto, Netherlands, etc. The thing I don't like is how much of an arrogant and pushy behavior it is. It is amazing how much of a fight we had to go through, and be called so many names by a lot of fools, just because we pushed to have dual-language names that capture proper English and Italian usage. They blindly go and say that none of the Italic names are real, all invented by Tomei, but a lot of that is bogus. A majority of these names are the historic Roman/Italic/Ladin names of these places. Obviously, some are spelled slightly differently for Standard Italian (Bolzano versus Bolzan or Balsan), and even many of the German words are derived from the original Ladin language of the entire Trentino-Alto Adige. So in fact when they try to bury the Italian words they are also burying the original-original names of these places. Given that this is an Italian province for nearly a century now, the place names should of really been simply in the standard language of the country. Then, of course maintain all the local language names in the body of the articles, along with the historical names in a toponym section. Anyway, I'm still shocked by the pushiness of these people, that they can insist to name places in another country simply as they want. Imagine if the tables were turned? ] (]) 03:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC) | |||
By the way, do you want to go ahead and put in a request to move ''South Tyrol'' to ] and ''History of South Tyrol'' to ]? ] 17:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, I guess you are right it is too early. Already people go a bit crazy over the names of rivers in Italy. I would personally prefer Province of Bolzano-Bozen, but second best would be Province of Bolzano. Both are correct actually, I just feel the first has more chance since it is in the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and it is multilingual (so people won't make accusations of fascists erasing Germans...). For the history page, I think History of Alto Adige/Südtirol (or History of Alto Adige/South Tyrol) would be better, because then it matches ] and Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol. Also, I don't think it is fair to only use South Tyrol, because the other valid English name <u>is</u> Alto Adige. There shouldn't have to be this constant appeasement to these angry people. You know what, the term South Tyrol still in some ways sounds funny to me, because shouldn't the real "South" Tyrol be Trentino? :)) I'm sorry, but Südtirol is more Middle or Central Tyrol..hah. At least the term Alto Adige is a real thing -- here is a river, and it starts in BZ. :) Anyway, funny stuff. ] 19:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
::I agree it may be better to let the dust settle a little. SL, I also tend to agree that double names may not be the best idea ''generally'', but this case may be an exception. I'm not sure. However, before proposing the move, we should best settle on one version (Province of Bolzano, '''or''' Province of Bolzano-Bozen). It'd make consensus on a move even more difficult to reach with more than two options. —''']''' (]) 09:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah, agree on both points. Let the dust settle and come up with an initial consensus on Bolzano versus Bolzano-Bozen. More so, I agree that even if there are so-called conventions, they can be broken. I think this is a very good case where having a double name is a good solution and even has Brittanica has a reference. Also, I can easily predict that if it isn't a dual name we are going to have to hear all sorts of nasty stuff again (i.e., as was the case on ], etc.). ] 23:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Commons== | ||
Hi Supparluca, do you have a commons account so that you can fix this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Category:Provinces_of_Trentino-South_Tyrol | |||
The admin who closed the move request messaged me at my talk page that we can request a review. I do believe the arguments made for a move far outweigh those against. In fact, the only arguments against were from Matthead, and which were quite baseless. ] 20:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
Obviously it should be T-AA/ST like in English and Simple English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 19:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol== | |||
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Supparluca, could you check out the discussion going on in the Latin Misplaced Pages with regard to Trentino-Alto Adige? I think the name they have is simply the Latin for Trentino-South Tyrol, which is as incorrect as it was when they had English as only this. Would appreciate it. ] (]) 21:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
Hello, could you help with the user ], I found you have had discussions with him before. It is unreasonable what he does on this page and what he says at ]. ] 07:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
* I'm in the mud with the pigs again, look at what Noclador does. I need to quit this Misplaced Pages. He accuses me, of anyone, Italianization. I truly feel sorry for people who live in Bolzano-Bozen and act like him. It is a disaster to humanity in fact. ] (]) 16:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Province of Bolzano-Bozen== | |||
Hi Supparluca, I think we can go ahead and ask now to have the pages renamed since they have split, eh? We can do the province page first. Do you have a preference for '''Province of Bolzano''', '''Province of Bolzano-Bozen''', or '''Province of Bolzano/Bozen'''? I prefer the second since it is in Encyclopedia Brittanica. The first is probably more common English usage though, and is in the official translation of the autonomy statute. The last is also given on the BZ official webpage. I'll ask Aldebaer and Checco also to comment here. Thanks! ] 17:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:HAH! Saw your message, and good point. AldeBaer and Checco, please go to the discussion I've setup on the talk page. I've asked AndreasFS to join us as well, and I imagine others will chime in. ] 18:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
*did you see what rarelibra did now. . I swear people really act bizarre on this ''encyclopedia''. I came in on Monday morning, saw an edit war, and even went and added his reference. I just pointed out no editors support this '''Bozen-South Tyrol''' thing, and I guess the result is some users throwing all their toys out of the pram. ] 18:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
ok, now pmanderson is going insane.. o_O O_o o_O ] 21:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I can't think of how to have information to fit on three artcles, it will really get confusing. Two is really enough. Also, it is unacceptable to just have ''South Tyrol''. If there is a page describing the region it has to be ''Alto Adige/South Tyrol'' or ''Alto Adige/Südtirol''. Any other way is just incorrect, considering Alto Adige is used more often in English. ] 21:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Please look at . I'd appreciate your comments, given now also how my best pals Gryffindor and PhJ are throwing stones. I'm so ashamed by such human behavior, I can not express it well enough. ] (]) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
Gryffindor and Emes may not be around lately ''contributing'', but Matthead certainly is. Check out ]; he is making a German page (and even in German! :-). It is hilarious. This lake in English is definitely known as '''Lake Resia'''; not ''Reschensee'', ''Lago di Resia'', or ''Lake Reschen''. Anyway, hopefully he is just planning a translation and then to move the page to the proper location. I see the German article has some nice POV too.. hah. The Italian article is actually much more reasonable and neutral. ] 19:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I fixed it, and put a new article. :-) ] 20:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Did you see what someone did on the IT Wiki? It is really strange. Why can't they just use '''Provincia autonoma di Bolzano''' or '''Provincia di Bolzano'''? They already say later in the article that the provincial government likes to use the - "Alto Adige, etc." on their papers. I can't believe how long they have made the article title now. :-) ] 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:By the way, I saw this was a fairly newly registered editor that did this. If you have an account on IT Misplaced Pages, maybe you can put it back to something more sensible (i.e., short) like ]. ] 08:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Procedures== | |||
Thanks for your suggestion. You're right that it's the way the procedures were disregarded that bothered me in this nomination. I have never taken part in any discussion on this issue before, and this is because personally, despite what seems to be the rather fragile consensus, I still prefer "South Tyrol", for the entirely pragmatic reason that at least in the UK that's how most people still refer to the area in question - and this is the English language Misplaced Pages, not the UN. So I'm not sure whether I would want to go so far as to nominate a change that I personally dislike :) , although if someone else nominated it in the proper way, in the circumstances I expect I would support it. But I will think it over.] (]) 11:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Notice== | |||
==South Tyrol location== | |||
Please see the ]. Bye,] (]) 00:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
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==Wording of references (3. request)== | |||
==Gryffindor== | |||
Hello. Please do not change the name or URL of a reference you did not retrieve as you did again at | |||
This guy is... incredible... ] 19:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:I think Rarelibra wants you to post your ciricululum vitae. :-) For the best of me I can't see why these guys can't accept shared solutions. They must be only childs.. ] 18:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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::I think Rarelibra has been drinking a whole lot of Gryffindor's ] these past few months. I don't know what is wrong with us that we don't like them using only ] and ] (or just ]), and the total erasure of all Italic language names along with ''Alto Adige''. I guess we are not culturally aware? :-) If Gryffindor was left on his own it would simply be still '''Trentino-South Tyrol''', and maybe '''autonomous state of South Tyrol''' - with all Italian/Roman/Ladin names gone. They need to go back and learn how to share. :-) ] 21:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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This may be regarded by other users as low level ]. Regards ] (]) 23:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
:''You'' change the names of existing URLs (and references) constantly, so you need to explain your moves. Since the links couldn't work better, the question is what is your rationale for changing perfectly workable URLs? What guidelines support your action? Why do you do this? ] (]) 02:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
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==YellowMonkey== | ||
Hey supparluca, I asked Aitias if we should post a complaint regarding YellowMonkey. I saw he did a similar thing to you. He out of the blue banned me for sock puppetry, then changed to reverting against consensus, then would only say "per the AN/I board" -- for a complaint against Noclador that I made. :) Do you think we should go ahead and take the time to lodge a complaint? Part of me is tired of wasting my time with this sort, the other part feels we should protect others from this behavior in the future. By the way, do you like the "mission" that Gun Power Ma and Noclador are on? I especially enjoy how Gun Power Ma knows everything now and is out to set Misplaced Pages straight. :] ] (]) 05:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
Is at it again. I think it is time for the long needed RfC and investigation of his abuses. ] 05:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
*I think we finally need to create a subpage where we can go back through the history and list every little Administrative abuse Gryffindor has made (as well as current and future). I will put in plenty of my free hours to work on this. I had hoped to finally be able to put time into the T-AA/ST articles, but this is much more important. I take it very personally how he has abused his privileges, especially when it comes to the region T-AA/ST. There are quite a few of the other editors that will contribute their time to this investigation. The only thing we should feel bad about is not doing this a long, long time ago to stop him from laying down this abuse to other editors and projects as well. Please drop by my page to discuss and think about where to setup a page. ] 05:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
**Good job. I alerted plenty of Admins as well. The discussions on the BZ talk page were really good and productive this past month and then all of a sudden Rarelibra and Gryffindor came in attacking. Hopefully Lar can actually sit and babysit us all and get this back to being productive. Anyway, is there something I can do with regard to that report you made? ] 18:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Gryffindor again== | |||
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He is going through and reverting edits again.. o_O He also included a "straw poll" at the Province of BZ page; one I think is good to boycott. Hopefully it will just be him and himself, only. hah. ] 05:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I fixed a good deal of his vandalism. He even tried to have some pages deleted, but a keen-eyed Administrator nixed his idea. :-) He is going more nutz than when his ''Trentino-South Tyrol'' "thing" came to an end.. By the way, any thoughts on my question about having his Administrative status reviewed? ] 06:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
::Hah, hilarious addition to the PofB-B talk page. :)) With regard to the investigation, I see what you mean. Well, I'll see at first what I can start gathering myself. At least the major history like moving ] to ] without consensus, what he did at ] and ], etc., etc. ] 08:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Mediation== | |||
Hi Supparluca, do you think we should just place a formal request for mediation for this page and the general naming convention of places in BZ? It gets boring to see this Gryffindor-poll again. I think having a dedicated group to help sort things out would be best. Frankly, if they decide to use '''Trentino-Alto Adige''' and '''Province of Bolzano''' because they are most common English usage, I won't care anymore. I tried to have us go with a solution that was fair, neutral and bi-lingual.. but look at what we get? ] 00:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Supparluca, he is just trolling now. He isn't countering any of the arguments that have been made, instead he just makes insults. It is nice how he especially so irritated by me. :-) Anyway, he defends PhJ because he knows that neither PhJ or himself are going to make a logical and civil debate on the topic. I give him information that counters his claim, and his response is to make more insults. So, let him stay at his own level if that is what he wants. Worse case, and since you know better than I, maybe you can post an alert about his behavior. It is simply uncivil the way he is behaving on the discussion page right now; surprising though? no! ;] ] 09:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Yes, I saw how he scorched the redirect. I havn't seen an Admin be warned as often as Gryffindor is warned. It is always this type of really unethical behavior. I don't understand why the project doesn't simply take a stand against this sort of behavior. De-opping isn't enough; a good long ban is in measure. No matter what I feel with regard to Gryffindor personally, any Administrator abusing his privileges like this should be gone. I believe many Admins are aware of his behavior; I don't know if they simply do not want to "rock the boat". boh.. ] 09:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
*ps. he did this here too ]. It is funny he states that he is so supportive of the language-naming criteria. Yet, I showed clearly that this river is in the region of more speakers of Italian. Is that supported? nope! :-) ] 09:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Hi Supparluca, on the PofB-B page, we added Sudtirolo under Italian. I know this is not proper Italian though. Should we add the term colloquial? I think it is incorrect to imply that Sudtirolo is correct Italian usage. ] 06:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Did you like PhJ's reply? :-) You know what, at least our side of the debate has been based off of quantitative evidence and logical discussions. The ST debate has just been nationalistic aggression, again and again and again and again. I'm really glad that we never had anyone coming on here and saying "It has to be Alto Adige, I warn you!". It is too bad the "other side" can't open their minds to see that. ] 23:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Romans aren't Italians. The last one died 1'480 years ago. After the fall of Rome hundreds of peoples settled in Italy. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Then you believe that the people of Rome simply vanished into thin air? Of course the people of Italy are a great mix of Etruscans, Greeks, Germans, now Chinese. If you believe the Roman people just vanished though, that is extremely funny. Do you think the Germans, French, or British are some "pure" race? Anyway, so the person who had been trolling Supparluca () was you ? ] 00:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Ciao, su it.wiki ti interesserebbe la partecipazione ad un progetto su Warcraft? ] 19:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==Meran== | |||
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Your favorite topic has come up again at ]. Really, both sides of the ethnic divide should be heard from, so your comments will be welcome. ] <small>]</small> 03:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
: Actually none of the ethnic divide should be heard from. English uses Merano on maps, encyclopedias, etc.. and therefore, that is what should be used. Enough with the German nazionalism on here. ] (]) 10:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
Regarding the ] change to the ] and ], I like what you did. What I need to remind you is that if you make a change in the name to the venue, please make certain to go through all of the medalists and locations in the tables where the respective championships. I am asking this in the name of consistency. Thank you. ] 19:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
==South Tyrol disambiguation (here we go again)== | |||
Hello, I would like to hear your opinion on a possible different disambiguation concerning the term ''South Tyrol''. The naming dispute for the ] has been exhausting and I think that the current compromise is fine, although I might have preferred a ] (Bolzano'''/'''Bozen) rather than a ]. Since the linguistic majority of the province is German (as ] correctly points out ]), it might also be possible to invert the names (Province of Bozen/Bolzano). After all, this is the convention used for instance in the article ], where the ] place name comes first, and the ] one after. (We already discussed this topic, see earlier here on your talk page.) However, the naming dispute has been so long and "acidic" that it seems useless and not constructive to flame it again.</br> | |||
What I find unsatisfactory is the redirection from ''South Tyrol'' to ]. | |||
I propose something as follows: | |||
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South Tyrol (]: ''Südtirol'') may refer to: | |||
*the areas of the ] (part of the ]) south of the ], including the Italian-speaking areas of ], in past times also known as ] in German. | |||
*the ] that was annexed to the ] in ]. | |||
*the ], a political subdivision of the ], which is also known as ''Alto Adige'' (lit. "Upper Adige") in ] and ''Südtirol'' (lit. "South Tyrol") in ]. | |||
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I think that this suggested disambiguation is informative, balanced and reasonably neutral. This version relates to the current articles ], ] and ], so any reader can find the information that matches his/her interests. This version also seems quite language-balanced. I would really like to hear your opinion.</br> Best regards, ] 19:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
::My proposal is now on the ]. You are welcome to add your comments there. Best regards, ] 19:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
==again== | |||
I see army boy is back... It is only entertaining to see how well he was brain-washed by Gryffindor. Yes, of course, the page at South Tyrol was neutral, but the province of Bolzano-Bozen -- with every name in existence in the first paragraph -- is not neutral and "Italo-centric". Man, it has been a busy week, and then I get to read this nonsense again... ] 04:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
==ani board== | |||
you must see what is going on now on the ANI board. ] 07:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Province of Bolzano-Bozen== | |||
Hello and thanks for your positive comment. My rewriting attempt stemmed exactly from the concern that any improvement of the article has been derailed for a long time by a seemingly endless naming dispute. So I thought that we may confine the debate (which is interesting and meaningful) to a specific paragraph, where all the different naming conventions and their cultural/political significance and connotations can be discussed and explained.<br /> | |||
Unfortunately, it looks like some users are not satisfied by this proposal . | |||
Best regards, ] 02:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
==hey== | ==hey== | ||
It is stuff like this childish garbage that makes me tired of contributing on here . I'm having much more fun working on my cars, engineering research, etc. Supparluca, rolling around in the mud with such people is a waste of our lives. :) ] (]) 10:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Barcellona listed at ] == | |||
:Ok, yeah, I see you are correct. I noticed he had apologized for the behavior, and that was a welcome gesture. But this above looks like he wants to somehow take me out from topics I'm interested in. That would be like me pushing that issue with regard to legal threats so that I can take him out from doing maps (something he is interested in). Crude. Anyway, with regards to Future's proposal; it would be nonsense really to eliminate people from contributing. In that case he can't just single out two editors, he'd have to ask also for quite a few other editors (which I guess I won't name :-). Anyway, I like overall how Francesco added to the BZ page, eh? Later on I will add some more references/clarification from the Ladin perspective. Then hopefully we can add more to the actual interesting parts of the TN and BZ pages on geography, tourism, etc. I still believe we have a very fair and neutral solution on that page.. ] (]) 20:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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==look at this== | |||
Isn't it comforting to see such discussions on this project ? Anyway, we continue putting down good work and they can be as sour as they want, for as long as they want. Hypocrisy at its finest. ] (]) 18:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
*will they ever leave me alone? ] (]) 19:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
*Oh yeah, and I found this . What is wrong with people in this World, everyone red with anger all the time? So this guy feels that unless someone supports only the usage of the name South Tyrol, they are a (probably unconscious) fascist. *roll eyes* It seems those fascists back then were successful, because they have got both a father and now son holding hatred. ] (]) 20:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
**You have got to read what he continues to write on that ANI board, it is just surreal. :-) I'm going to just do a topic ban, on him. :) cya, ] (]) 22:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC) | |||
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hey supparluca, long time no see. i have a great timing for logging back in and finding a new circus has started. I think in the future, it is not worth reverting over these silly issues, simply go to someone like Lar and have him mediate. Of course you are correct that the map should show both Alto Adige and South Tyrol. But, you know very well the agenda that Gryfindor and Rarelibra have had now for such a long time. At this point, I just can't comprehend why they do this... Anyway, I'll support you, of course. ] (]) 20:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
==province of italy page== | |||
hi supparluca, where there ever a resolution on that image on the province of italy page? rarelibra told me he had agreed with my idea to use a multi-term image name, and i assume to also include all the names in the image (per agreement with lar). i just wanted to check if we need to get everyone to clarify this on the trentino-alto adige/seudtirol page, or what. cheers, ] (]) 17:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
:I replied on my page. ] (]) 20:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
::These "people" like PhJ, Gryffindor, Matthead -- amazing... ] (]) 22:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hi, similar to the request made for ], can you provide an opinion for this page request? I'm familiar and have visited this town a few times, and even the local inhabitants use "Ortisei" for basic promotion in English. ] (]) 22:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Ortiseiani?== | |||
I am afraid, Luca, ortiseiani is pure nonsense (I prefer an answer on your talkpage -thanks) --] (]) 08:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
:''Suppar''luca, thank you! Well, I can imagine it isn't used very often, but I found it . I find strange also the demonym "gardenesi" for people from Ortisei, though. I don't know.--''']]''' 09:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
== BZ == | |||
Hey Supparluca, I was looking at the discussion on the T-AA/ST page just now. You know what, sometimes it is really bothersome looking back at what happened with regard to Misplaced Pages on this province. I'm rather disgusted how German speakers decided that the Germanic way is the only way, and thus the way that must be used in English. The original method that was being used, as I'm sure you remember, was simply to translate everything directly from German Misplaced Pages. This happened in English Misplaced Pages, and also Esperanto, Netherlands, etc. The thing I don't like is how much of an arrogant and pushy behavior it is. It is amazing how much of a fight we had to go through, and be called so many names by a lot of fools, just because we pushed to have dual-language names that capture proper English and Italian usage. They blindly go and say that none of the Italic names are real, all invented by Tomei, but a lot of that is bogus. A majority of these names are the historic Roman/Italic/Ladin names of these places. Obviously, some are spelled slightly differently for Standard Italian (Bolzano versus Bolzan or Balsan), and even many of the German words are derived from the original Ladin language of the entire Trentino-Alto Adige. So in fact when they try to bury the Italian words they are also burying the original-original names of these places. Given that this is an Italian province for nearly a century now, the place names should of really been simply in the standard language of the country. Then, of course maintain all the local language names in the body of the articles, along with the historical names in a toponym section. Anyway, I'm still shocked by the pushiness of these people, that they can insist to name places in another country simply as they want. Imagine if the tables were turned? ] (]) 03:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC) |
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You may be interestd in stating your opinion about Talk:Graubünden#Requeste move. --Checco (talk) 13:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
hey
hey supparluca, long time no see. i have a great timing for logging back in and finding a new circus has started. I think in the future, it is not worth reverting over these silly issues, simply go to someone like Lar and have him mediate. Of course you are correct that the map should show both Alto Adige and South Tyrol. But, you know very well the agenda that Gryfindor and Rarelibra have had now for such a long time. At this point, I just can't comprehend why they do this... Anyway, I'll support you, of course. Icsunonove (talk) 20:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
province of italy page
hi supparluca, where there ever a resolution on that image on the province of italy page? rarelibra told me he had agreed with my idea to use a multi-term image name, and i assume to also include all the names in the image (per agreement with lar). i just wanted to check if we need to get everyone to clarify this on the trentino-alto adige/seudtirol page, or what. cheers, Icsunonove (talk) 17:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- I replied on my page. Icsunonove (talk) 20:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- These "people" like PhJ, Gryffindor, Matthead -- amazing... Icsunonove (talk) 22:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Ortisei
Hi, similar to the request made for Val Gardena, can you provide an opinion for this page request? I'm familiar and have visited this town a few times, and even the local inhabitants use "Ortisei" for basic promotion in English. Icsunonove (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Ortiseiani?
I am afraid, Luca, ortiseiani is pure nonsense (I prefer an answer on your talkpage -thanks) --Moroderen (talk) 08:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- Supparluca, thank you! Well, I can imagine it isn't used very often, but I found it in the it.wiki article. I find strange also the demonym "gardenesi" for people from Ortisei, though. I don't know.--Supparluca 09:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
BZ
Hey Supparluca, I was looking at the discussion on the T-AA/ST page just now. You know what, sometimes it is really bothersome looking back at what happened with regard to Misplaced Pages on this province. I'm rather disgusted how German speakers decided that the Germanic way is the only way, and thus the way that must be used in English. The original method that was being used, as I'm sure you remember, was simply to translate everything directly from German Misplaced Pages. This happened in English Misplaced Pages, and also Esperanto, Netherlands, etc. The thing I don't like is how much of an arrogant and pushy behavior it is. It is amazing how much of a fight we had to go through, and be called so many names by a lot of fools, just because we pushed to have dual-language names that capture proper English and Italian usage. They blindly go and say that none of the Italic names are real, all invented by Tomei, but a lot of that is bogus. A majority of these names are the historic Roman/Italic/Ladin names of these places. Obviously, some are spelled slightly differently for Standard Italian (Bolzano versus Bolzan or Balsan), and even many of the German words are derived from the original Ladin language of the entire Trentino-Alto Adige. So in fact when they try to bury the Italian words they are also burying the original-original names of these places. Given that this is an Italian province for nearly a century now, the place names should of really been simply in the standard language of the country. Then, of course maintain all the local language names in the body of the articles, along with the historical names in a toponym section. Anyway, I'm still shocked by the pushiness of these people, that they can insist to name places in another country simply as they want. Imagine if the tables were turned? Icsunonove (talk) 03:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Commons
Hi Supparluca, do you have a commons account so that you can fix this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Category:Provinces_of_Trentino-South_Tyrol Obviously it should be T-AA/ST like in English and Simple English Misplaced Pages. Icsunonove (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol
Supparluca, could you check out the discussion going on in the Latin Misplaced Pages with regard to Trentino-Alto Adige? I think the name they have is simply the Latin for Trentino-South Tyrol, which is as incorrect as it was when they had English as only this. Would appreciate it. Icsunonove (talk) 21:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'm in the mud with the pigs again, look at what Noclador does. I need to quit this Misplaced Pages. He accuses me, of anyone, Italianization. I truly feel sorry for people who live in Bolzano-Bozen and act like him. It is a disaster to humanity in fact. Icsunonove (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Leaving Misplaced Pages
Please look at . I'd appreciate your comments, given now also how my best pals Gryffindor and PhJ are throwing stones. I'm so ashamed by such human behavior, I can not express it well enough. Icsunonove (talk) 20:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for your suggestion. You're right that it's the way the procedures were disregarded that bothered me in this nomination. I have never taken part in any discussion on this issue before, and this is because personally, despite what seems to be the rather fragile consensus, I still prefer "South Tyrol", for the entirely pragmatic reason that at least in the UK that's how most people still refer to the area in question - and this is the English language Misplaced Pages, not the UN. So I'm not sure whether I would want to go so far as to nominate a change that I personally dislike :) , although if someone else nominated it in the proper way, in the circumstances I expect I would support it. But I will think it over.HeartofaDog (talk) 11:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hello. Please do not change the name or URL of a reference you did not retrieve as you did again at
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- Sand in Taufers
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This may be regarded by other users as low level Disruptive editing. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
- You change the names of existing URLs (and references) constantly, so you need to explain your moves. Since the links couldn't work better, the question is what is your rationale for changing perfectly workable URLs? What guidelines support your action? Why do you do this? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
YellowMonkey
Hey supparluca, I asked Aitias if we should post a complaint regarding YellowMonkey. I saw he did a similar thing to you. He out of the blue banned me for sock puppetry, then changed to reverting against consensus, then would only say "per the AN/I board" -- for a complaint against Noclador that I made. :) Do you think we should go ahead and take the time to lodge a complaint? Part of me is tired of wasting my time with this sort, the other part feels we should protect others from this behavior in the future. By the way, do you like the "mission" that Gun Power Ma and Noclador are on? I especially enjoy how Gun Power Ma knows everything now and is out to set Misplaced Pages straight. :] Icsunonove (talk) 05:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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Meran
Your favorite topic has come up again at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Meran.2FMerano. Really, both sides of the ethnic divide should be heard from, so your comments will be welcome. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
- Actually none of the ethnic divide should be heard from. English uses Merano on maps, encyclopedias, etc.. and therefore, that is what should be used. Enough with the German nazionalism on here. Icsunonove (talk) 10:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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It is stuff like this childish garbage that makes me tired of contributing on here Archaic names. I'm having much more fun working on my cars, engineering research, etc. Supparluca, rolling around in the mud with such people is a waste of our lives. :) Icsunonove (talk) 10:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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