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==WMC temp desysop motion==


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*Rlevse should now recuse from this case. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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**This is ridiculous. Here Rlevse implies that WMC's ban from cold fusion is invalid when this is a key aspect of the arbitration case that still hasn't been determined - presumably because its imposed by a single admin and then here asserting that the ban is still in place on their own authority. This is ridiculous and makes the proposal to desyspop WMC look extremely suspect if Arbiters can't even decide from one moment to the next what Abd's status is regarding Cold Fusion. WMC isn't involved with Abd outside the CF case and then only in an admin enforcement role so are yu arguing that you can be forced to recuse from dealing with someone just because they file an arbitration case? If so, its a charter for every malcontent and troll to to take any admin to arbitration just to force them off their back. Also, shouldnt Abd be banned formally from CF for the duration of the if you are positing that WMC's ban wasn't valid. What a mess. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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***Spartaz, I've moved your comment from the main page. If you and others post here, the arbs will read what is said here. As far as involvement goes, the very fact that we accepted the case, with WMC named as a party, and with WMC included in the title, means that the committee thinks (at first glance) that there is a case to answer. The evidence in the case may well show that not to be true, but until the case is over, Abd and WMC are very much involved in a dispute. This works both ways - Abd too needs to stop the behaviour that led to the events that led to him filing the case. Equally, Abd may be exonerated. But until the case is over, they both need to back off and concentrate on the case, and not replay the dispute. ] (]) 16:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC) <small>Updated: 16:49, 9 August 2009 (UTC)</small>
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==Arbitrators active on this case==
=== "Temp desyssop of William M. Connolley" motion (Mythdon's comment) ===
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'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Coren
#Cool Hand Luke
#FayssalF
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana


'''Inactive:'''
I have not reviewed any of the evidence of the case, but let me make this one comment about the motion.
#FloNight
#John Vandenberg
#Risker
#Wizardman
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'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Coren
#Newyorkbrad
#Risker
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana
#Wizardman


'''Inactive:'''
To block someone who is a party to the same arbitration case as you is, uncalled for and non-legitimate because to do so, you're not an impartial administrator as you're an involved party to the same case as the person you block. William M. Connolley should have reported to another administrator who wasn't an involved party to the case if there was a need that Abd be blocked. William M. Connolley is not uninvolved if both him/her and Abd are a party to the same case, no matter what the evidence says. Such a block is biased, beyond doubt, and can affect the case in a harmful manner, and can affect the decision being made by the committee, because the user blocked will be unable to provide their evidence during the block or able to comment on the decision proposals by other users.
#John Vandenberg
#FloNight


'''Recused:'''
William M. Connolley being a party to this case terminates the title of "uninvolved", which administrators should have before blocking users, in order to maintain impartiality. Abd and William M. Connolley are parties to this case, and therefore, they do not have the "uninvolved" title if they block one another (note that Abd is not an administrator, however). William M. Connolley blocked Abd, but was a party to the same case as Abd, and therefore, William M. Connolley should not be allowed to act.
#Cool Hand Luke
#FayssalF
Wizardman, who is supporting the desysop makes a good phrase with "no question". There is indeed no question that this is necessary.
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#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
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#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana


'''Inactive:'''
Therefore, I urge the Arbitration Committee to desysop William M. Connolley, at least until the specified time comes. What are your comments? --<font color="#414797" face="times">]</font> <sup>''<font color="#8447C1" face="times">]</font> • <font color="#8447C1" face="times">]</font>''</sup> 16:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
#FloNight
#John Vandenberg
#Risker
#Wizardman


'''Recused:'''
'''' - A comment from William M. Connolley on Viridae's talk page. To ask "what makes you think you are uninvolved?" is not rightful to ask given the fact that William M. Connolley wasn't uninvolved his or herself when blocking Abd given the fact that they are both parties to the same arbitration case. William M. Connolley should not be question Viridae's uninvolvement when William M. Connolley wasn't uninvolved him or herself. --<font color="#414797" face="times">]</font> <sup>''<font color="#8447C1" face="times">]</font> • <font color="#8447C1" face="times">]</font>''</sup> 18:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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: Why on earth do you think he isn't allowed to ask questions? That's not how wikipedia works, and is the first step in ]. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] <small>]</small></span> 18:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#Newyorkbrad
#Risker
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Wizardman
#Vassyana


'''Inactive:'''
===Requested diffs===
#FloNight
I am reposting this here as requested by Carcharoth (originally on ]). Rlevse indicated that before posting his motion he had not located the diffs for the final conditions of the original page-ban and the role of Heimstern in the closing of the ANI thread, where the page-ban was approved by the community. Here are the diffs.
#John Vandenberg
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'''Active:'''
#Carcharoth
#Casliber
#Cool Hand Luke
#Coren
#FayssalF
#Newyorkbrad
#Rlevse
#Roger Davies
#Stephen Bain
#Vassyana


'''Inactive:'''
Here is the final exchange between Abd and WMC :
#FloNight
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#John Vandenberg
:::'''Please reduce the ban to 30 days from the article only, and recuse yourself from further administrative involvement, and please notify Hipocrite of the ban, if you have not already done so. You hadn't last I looked.''' --] (]) 02:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
#Risker
:::: I decline your request. I am happy to note that portions of the ban correspond to a voluntary agreement. Whilst I anticipate it lasting approximately one month, the period remains indefinite. Since the page is now unprotected, the version I chnaged it to under protection is now moot ] (]) 10:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)}}
#Wizardman
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Here are the diffs where Heimstern clarifies the closure of the ANI discussion.

Here is what Heimstern said on July 19 when quizzed by Abd about the page bans :
{{cquote|I am releasing all responsibility for this ban at this point, as I never intended to take on any responsibility for it at all. I believed myself to be making a purely procedural close of a discussion; in that belief it appears I was mistaken. It appears ArbCom will likely handle this, so I imagine it shouldn't be a problem for me not to get further involved in this. ] ] 04:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)}}
] (]) 17:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
===Evidential basis===
Is there an evidential basis for substantive ongoing harm to Misplaced Pages that would merit temporary removal of sysop powers from William M. Connolley? I ask this because none has been presented on the evidence pages. Such motions, in the absence of an actual removal of sysop powers due to misconduct, are rare. In view of the clear community consensus on the community ban, this proposal is very, very worrying and I urge the other arbitrators to resolve this issue quickly so as to minimize the disturbance such a shocking and unexpected proposal must inevitably cause. --] 18:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

:Abd acknowledged that he was still some active ban by deciding his ban was over. He then made an edit, which was a violation of the ban. For that he got blocked by an, arguably, involved admin, William M. Connolley. As Abd is now again banned from editing ] and ], I don't see a risk that William M. Connolley will block Abd again, unless Abd again decides that the ban is not in place anymore. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 18:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: In what sense is William M. Connolley an "involved admin"? Even arguably? Does "involved" here take on a meaning not a million miles from "agrees with the ban"? --] 18:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:I included that part because Abd says that William M. Connolley is involved, and arguably because I do not really believe that is the case. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 19:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: Abd says a lot of things. Does that mean they're arguable? In many ways I think that question that goes to the heart of the case. --] 19:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

::(ec)That's an unusual usage of the term "arguably;" in my experience the term is generally used to qualify an opinion held by the writer, to introduce a proposition that the writer believes has merit but may not be universally agreed with; here you seem to be using it to mean the inverse: that the assertion has been made but that you don't think it has merit. I think the use of the term may confuse the reader as to your meaning, maybe consider refactoring for clarity? Thanks, ] (]) 19:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

::: It is really worrying to me that, without public evidence, at least three of the arbitrators are treating William M. Connolley as an involved editor. Is there some hidden evidence suggesting socking? --] 19:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Comment s from me ==

On my talk page, Rl said ''While I am still looking into the details...'' and then there is some confused stuff about a 'it appears the one month ban by Heimstern''. There was no such ban. I'm curious as to whether he has finished looking into the details. I asked that on my talk page, but he hasn't replied. Meanwhile Carcharoth suggested discussiong things here, so perhaps we should.

So, my view: one of the main questions in this case is my ban of Abd from Cf and t:CF. My view on this is in my evidence, which (snark) unlike many other peoples isn't too long to read. Alas, that hasn't stopped people not reading it. So: ''So I banned them both, for an indeterminate period of approximately a month, from CF and t:CF''; ''A asserted that the ban didn't exist. I told him that it did''; ''I reviewed A's ban . Since the ratio of useful edits to wikilawyering in the interim was well below 1%, I kept the ban in place.'' If arbcomm cared to suspend that ban, they should have said so. Had Abd wanted arbcomm to declare it suspended / invalid for the duration of the case, he could have asked them. Rl now appears to have re-enacted "the" ban but has failed to say what he means by "the" ban. Arbcomm (or at least, the small portion of it that speaks) has now told me not to block Abd during this case. I think that is the wrong decision, but I admit Arbcomm has the right to make it, so will abide by it.

Meanwhile, Arbcomm (but not perhaps Rl ) should consider the role of Viridae. He is without doubt involved in this case (having presented very one-sided evidence) and yet unblocked Abd without pretence of communication. A glance at his contribs suggests that he ahs unblocked and run - certainly he isn't answering talk page messages.

] (]) 19:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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