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Perhaps this message may also come as inflammatory. I've not been squeaky clean towards you with my behavior either. When I've been wrong, at least on a few occasions I've tried to correct my contributions/behavior and listened. I hope you'll understand my frustrations and what leads to my disengagement with you. And I hope, if you can at least recognize some of these problems, it will help you build better articles for an encyclopedia. I do understand you're still here to build an encyclopedia in good faith, but as said, my patience to collaborate runs short. ] (]) 01:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC) | Perhaps this message may also come as inflammatory. I've not been squeaky clean towards you with my behavior either. When I've been wrong, at least on a few occasions I've tried to correct my contributions/behavior and listened. I hope you'll understand my frustrations and what leads to my disengagement with you. And I hope, if you can at least recognize some of these problems, it will help you build better articles for an encyclopedia. I do understand you're still here to build an encyclopedia in good faith, but as said, my patience to collaborate runs short. ] (]) 01:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC) | ||
:You either came to ] because Micay was recruiting, with a few meat or sock puppets, or you didn't. Others will judge. See my response there regarding notifications, and wiki-guidance to err on not notifying. All I know for sure is the timing overlaps with the off-wiki github "notability" file creation and editing, and I do not usually believe in random coincidences. Then there is the temporary awakening of dormant accounts, and IMO pro-GrapheneOS biased editing. I'll end with this other admin response to Strcat, another well known Micay alias, who was complaining about ] in August 2020, "<font color="green">the entire article is on a subject that barely scratches notability and has become a viper pit.</font>" This has been the case at /e/, CopperheadOS, and GrapheneOS. So it goes; or Say Law-Vee for /e/ fans. -- ] (]) 02:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC) |
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On 15 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article GrapheneOS, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that GrapheneOS, a free and open-source operating system for selected Google Pixel smartphones, was recommended by Edward Snowden? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/GrapheneOS. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, GrapheneOS), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's on the main page! Nice work! — Newslinger talk 00:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Newslinger, Thanks for all your help too! The charts are interesting; looking forward to see how it goes. -- Yae4 (talk) 02:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Newslinger, Yesterday the chart looked like no change; today it looks like a big spike - 3,800 isn't 5k, but it's not bad. -- Yae4 (talk) 13:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Newslinger, Thanks for all your help too! The charts are interesting; looking forward to see how it goes. -- Yae4 (talk) 02:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please help me with...independent review of Draft:Harold_Ambler. Someone good at BLP, please. Is he notable, and is the Reception section too critical? Thanks in advance.
Yae4 (talk) 08:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- We do not do speedy reviews like this, please submit it to the queue and someone will take a look at it when they have time. Thanks, Majavah 08:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete away, B-bot. -- Yae4 (talk) 09:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Climate change AE
So, about the AE... there's a consensus there for a full topic ban, and even though I'm not 100% on board with it, I'm closing it anyway because it needs to be closed. It's not the end of the world. It is what you make of it. I've seen people come back as better editors after appealing indef topic bans. I do hope to see you appeal it as it's clear you have some knowledge about the subject. Anyway, I have a couple pieces of unsolicited advice for you in navigating the topic ban and bouncing back after:
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- Oh, and like I suggested to Hob Galding, remember Graham's Hierarchy and keep all your interactions in the top 2-3 tiers.
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- @Elliot321:, Thanks for the review and suggestion. -- Yae4 (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
CopperheadOS
Hi Yae4. I noticed you've made three reverts in the last 24 hours at CopperheadOS. I'm sure you're already aware of it, but please take a look at the three-revert rule. In particular, even if you don't break the three-revert rule, administrators may still block you for edit warring. I won't be doing any blocking myself, as I am pretty much involved with this particular issue now, but I can't speak for other administrators, so it would pay to take extra care here I think. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 13:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Mr. Stradivarius, Thanks for the reminder. I was just about to go to Dispute Resolution Noticeboard to ask for more opinions on the 2v3-p name thing. I was a little too careless about the 3 changes because Anupraitsno1 is, to me, clearly closely connected with GrapheneOS and its developer, Micay/Strcat, and has not participated in the Talk about the name. Should I provide links showing the connections, and if so, where/how? -- Yae4 (talk) 14:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- You shouldn't post links showing the connections in public, as that would probably violate the policy on posting personal information. There is a tension between that policy and the conflict-of-interest policy, and the personal information policy takes precedence. You can see the options available to you at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest#How to handle conflicts of interest. Best — Mr. Stradivarius 14:19, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Mr. Stradivarius: I've looked at the list of personal information, and I don't think any of the following would be forbidden. Am I wrong? Let's say hypothetically...A person using an alias is developer of X-ROM, which is a derivative of GrapheneOS. A person using that alias has advocated X-ROM in at least one forum. A person using that alias gives advice on GrapheneOS in communications channels. A person works on development of applications jointly or as forks/spinoffs of the applications in or from GrapheneOS. Therefore, the person is closely connected with GrapheneOS, and its developer, and has COI, which should prevent them from editing the articles on Graphene or Copperhead. Do you agree it would be OK to ask the editor to confirm or deny these connections? And to give them links showing the basis for these statements, if they deny these connections? -- Yae4 (talk) 03:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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I attempted to fix your rollback to be a partial revert. 84.250.14.116 (talk) 20:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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GrapheneOS website as "user-generated source"
I see you've already self-reverted yourself, however I'll comment on your Special:Diff/1094765286 anyway: I don't see it evident the GrapheneOS website to fit into the definition of a WP:UCG source, only as a WP:PRIMARY source, with the assumption that the website's source markup/code is a Git repository somewhere and that requires editorial review of a repository maintainer to commit changes to (or Git push privileges). The maintenance template in this theoretical scenario would be one of these: {{Primary source inline}}
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Disengaging with you
After Special:Diff/1095862491, I think I should apologize. I'd like to disengage and focus most of my contributions on other articles from now on. Sorry.
But before I do, I would like to point out some trouble I have with your behavior that has frustrated my efforts to collaborate with you:
- Disputing the reliability of apparently good sources (marginally reliable sources for uncontroversial statements or attributed points of view) at Talk:GrapheneOS, to the extent of disputing the reliability of multiple sources for a specific uncontroversial or attributed POV statement (that may have been originally cited by you); what may be
judging the reliability of sources by how well they support the desired viewpoint
. (A few comments were good, such as comments on Origo and Packt.) - Accusing me of having a preference for sources at RSN (Special:Diff/1095870955), while showing refrainment from critically evaluating the other list items neutrally (imo mostly marginal with one or a few exceptions of generally reliable sources). I was attempting to push the discussion forward with no personal opinion or vote on those sources.
- Adding citations that are inadequate, ambiguous or not sufficiently explicit (examples: Special:Diff/1095828521, Special:Diff/1094307821) – including one WP:UGC source to GitHub (
generally unacceptable
), including an WP:EXCEPTIONAL citation claim about third-parties without multiple reliable sources to verify those claims (doubtful about WP:ABOUTSELF). - This potential prejudice what sections an article can, cannot or should not have: Special:Diff/1095679328. Though, I'll have to assume good faith here since you kept that section.
I have no trouble with Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Resonantia you've opened, I've expected you wanted to do so eventually (it wasn't sooner than the first time you suspected it, but didn't bring it to SPI immediately: Special:Diff/1094493094). I would've liked to be notified with {{Uw-socksuspect}}
on my talk page as courtesy, but I was not notified of this.
Perhaps this message may also come as inflammatory. I've not been squeaky clean towards you with my behavior either. When I've been wrong, at least on a few occasions I've tried to correct my contributions/behavior and listened. I hope you'll understand my frustrations and what leads to my disengagement with you. And I hope, if you can at least recognize some of these problems, it will help you build better articles for an encyclopedia. I do understand you're still here to build an encyclopedia in good faith, but as said, my patience to collaborate runs short. 84.250.14.116 (talk) 01:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- You either came to GrapheneOS because Micay was recruiting, with a few meat or sock puppets, or you didn't. Others will judge. See my response there regarding notifications, and wiki-guidance to err on not notifying. All I know for sure is the timing overlaps with the off-wiki github "notability" file creation and editing, and I do not usually believe in random coincidences. Then there is the temporary awakening of dormant accounts, and IMO pro-GrapheneOS biased editing. I'll end with this other admin response to Strcat, another well known Micay alias, who was complaining about CopperheadOS in August 2020, "the entire article is on a subject that barely scratches notability and has become a viper pit." This has been the case at /e/, CopperheadOS, and GrapheneOS. So it goes; or Say Law-Vee for /e/ fans. -- Yae4 (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)