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Archive 1 (October 2006 - January 2006)

For Chaldeans from Detroit

For Chaldeans born in Detroit and are researching about their identity (like most Americans like to do), please note the importance of the following The Patriach of the Chaldean Catholic Church, ie the number 1 man of the Chaldean Church between 1989 to 2000, up to his death stated two occasions right before his death asserts that his followers are of "Nestorian Assyrian" by ethnicity but Chaldean in faith on LBC TV on April 30, 2000. Here is something Chaldos from Detroit need to understand - Before the establishment of the Chaldean church in 1553, nobody called themselves Chaldean. The word Chaldean was invisable after the fall of Chaldea dynasty in 4th century BC, up to 1553. So please, enough with this silly statements like "if where one people, why did chaldea fight with assyria". Ancient Chaldeans of Chaldea and Ur assumulated into Arab and Persians of today. Chaldean 17:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The Chaldean Catholic Church was established in 1553, however it did not derive from an Assyrian Church nor were the follower all assyrians. Why do assyrians love taking credit for things that have never established. If a person thinks the Nestorian Church consisted only out of Assyrians, then he shouldnt even be here typing in the first place. The Nestorian Church was first established in Persia, and strecthed from middleast all the way to China. After the fall of the Assyrian and Chaldean dynasty, they were under Persian and Mede's rule due to their lack of power, but that doesnt mean that they just assumalate into other type of people, you should know better than that. When the Nestorian Church was established the majoriy of the people who lived in the area of today's Iraq joined the Nestorian Church, and they were people who's empire/dynasty had lost their independance. So when the Nestorian Church was finally weakend, the Chaldeans were finally able to reunite with the Pope under the rule of their Chaldean Patriach Mar Soulaqa. link titleThis website proves that the Chaldean Catholic Church derived from the Nestorian Church, not the Assyrian Church cause that was yet to be established.

Asm ccc 15:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong Chaldean, have you run out of refutes, or are you convinced that you were wrong, i want the article to be changed, and not rechanged, cause by the looks of it you are convinced that the ancient Chaldeans relate s to today's Chaldeans.

124.184.236.221 23:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

1. Sign in when you want to make a comment. 2. I dont have time for child's play. Please see your talkpage. Chaldean 00:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny when you have been proven wrong, you stop refuting and called it child's play, you know what, i never knew this was a game, and i dont regard it as a game, i take this seriously, maybe you think its fun playing with the way people think, but i dont, i want the truth to be known, and not some crazy theory like the one "they just assumalated somehow", you have no idea how stupid the theory of yours sound.

Asm ccc 10:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

For Chaldeans all over the world

Once again it has been prove that Chaldeans are not ethnically Assyrians. Yes the Chaldean Catholic Church derived from the Nestorian church, however, the Nestorian Church had not yet been given the name the Assyrian Church of the East, it was later on. The nestorian Church united the Chaldean, Syrian and the Assyrians into one people, the people of mesopotamia, the different people split and got back their unique identity again, however, there is a chance that some few of today's Chaldeans and Assyrians are not from the racial group as they believe that they are from due to the Nestorian Church which had united them as one people for such a long time.

Anyone who states that Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrians are influenced by all the propaganda of today's world. Just because someome supplies you with an internet article suggesting that Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrians doesnt necessarily make it true, from all we know it could be written by an assyrian, if you want the truth, visit official website which cannot be edited by anyone.

Asm ccc 05:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

ASM, please...

First and formost none of the "Assyrian" or "Chaldean" Emperors referred to themselves as such. They all referred to themselves as Kings of "Sumer and Akkad." Assyrian (Babylonian as well) was coined by the Greeks centuries after (in a historical context) to refer to those whom held Ashur as the supreme diety in the land of Sumer and Akkad for example as the Jews referred to southern Mesopotamia as "Shinar" which meant "land of the moon ." "Babylonia" was also coined by the Greeks to refer to southern Mesopotamia which had its "capital" in Bab-ilu aka Kadingirra aka "Babylon." Just as people in ancient Sumer and Akkad referred to themselves by the city-state they inhabbited and religion they followed so do the modern people, they refer to their ethno-religious group by village and/or "national" origin. "Chaldean" was also coined by the Greeks to refer to the last indegenous conquerors of "Babylonia." In reality in the Syriac language we ALL refer to ourselves as Sourayeh or Souryoyeh which is simply translated as Syrian in English which itself is Greek-derived from the designation of the former colonial territories of Assyria for they referred to Sumer and Akkad as Assyria and its colonies (Aram and Canaan) as Syria. That is it in a nutshell. We are Sourayeh/Souryoyeh and ultimately we are Assyrian, Babylonian, and the "Sons and Daughters of the Fusion of Sumer and Akkad." We are Chaldean as well and we are Aramaean as well. However if you want to get into semantics, some hold the God Ashur as one with the Christian God Yah(weh) aka "God the Father" which himself started out as the Canaanite storm god which was roughly equivelent to Ashur and interpreted by the "Hebrews" as the one God; the so-called "sky axle" or "Holder of Heaven" therefore we are THE true "Assyrians" in an ethno-religious sense. Also compare Yah to Ea and you will see the origins of the Abrahamic religions lie in the land that is now called Iraq. The Tsar is Gone but I am King 15:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Chaldean is Greek-derived from the Akkadian_language form of "Kaldu" which in Hebrew is "Kasdu" which may actually be in refference to the Kassites whom once ruled Babylon well before the "Chaldean Dynasty." It was also used interchangebly with "Astrologer" in which Astrology was key in the Mesopotamian religion so even in that sense we are true "Chaldeans" as well for Judaism is a monotheistic religion that evoloved from it and gradually evolved into Christianity and even Islam.The Tsar is Gone but I am King 17:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Finally we are getting somwhere

Sorry i have not been on for a long time to my busy schedule as an educator, however, i believe we are getting somwhere, tyou stated "We are Sourayeh/Souryoyeh and ultimately we are Assyrian, Babylonian, and the "Sons and Daughters of the Fusion of Sumer and Akkad." We are Chaldean as well and we are Aramaean as well" Thank you. I believe you are right, but why does it say in the front page of the article say that chaldeans are contemporary Assyrians

Asm ccc 00:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

but why does it say in the front page of the article say that chaldeans are contemporary Assyrians - because your Patriach says so. Chaldean 00:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me tell you one thing Chaldean, just because a patriarch does mention something it doesnt mean it has to be true, several popes have made enourmos mistsakes, and Patriarchs and priests are no difference. A Patriarch is educated in religion, not in ancient or modern history. I am an Indegenous Iraqi, and just as you said, most or all races are not pure blooded, how then can you be so sure that some of those you call Assyrians are not Chaldean. Chaldeans were a part of Babylonia ever after the 7th century BC and they were known as the last indegenous conquerors of the land, and of course you with your elementary arguments are going to refute and say, why do most Chaldeans live in northern Iraq, well after the city of Babylon was in ruins, (however not totally destroyed, it still exist today) under th Selucid Empire, most Chaldeans/Babylonians, were forced to travel north to search for a new home, and since Babylon was not populated anymore, the farmers had no choice but to move north for the search for more fertilised land and also since they no longer belonged to a city/state which they could sell their surplus to. Our Patriarch teaches us about our faith, not our ancestors, get that through your head, i have never heard a Chaldean priest mention the ancient empire nor any of our kings and call us all sons of God, unlike (well i wont say most since i dont have a number) some Assyrian priest which i have been preached to included the God Ashur and many of the kings of Assyria, well Chaldean, if you get your information from some Priests, i feel sorry for you since i get my information from the Vatican which employ historians.

124.183.57.239 06:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No offense, but who are you, a 15 year old in Austtralia, to tell the people in the homeland what is their identity? Take a look at these pictures; ]. Do you see what I see? Chaldean Catholics waving the Assyrian national flag. Who are you to tell them they are not Assyrian? Why dont you go back to the homeland and talk to these people? Let us know if you have converted them. Chaldean 16:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

CHALDEANS ARE NOT ASSYRIANS!!!!

Chaldeans are not Assyrians & don't criticize others who don't agree with you. So why do you have a screen name of Chaldean when really you are an Assyrian trying to be a Chaldean. Don't push your beliefs on to others. Now I'm not trying to tell you I'm against Assyrians or I hate them or something, I do have close relatives that are Assyrians that are family but nonetheless we are different. First & foremost is the religion....Chaldeans are Catholic & Assyrians are Eastern Orthodox. Second Chaldeans speak a different language but similar to Assyrians or vice-versa. Third of all, Chaldeans in whole come from a unity of multiple cities that include Telkphe, Batnya, Mosul, Dahuk, Alqoush, etc. but Assyrians come from Nineveh, Iran, Syria, & parts of Turkey. Even though we share the same culture, have similar languages yet still obviously different, & have a history that is closely tied....it does not mean we are the same. For example, all the middle east countries have the same basics of culture & food, speak the middle eastern language of arabic...HOW COME JORDAN IS NOT CLAIMING IRAQ AS BEING THE CONTEMPORARY JORDANIANS, OR SAUDI ARABIA CLAIMING EGYPT AS BEING SAUDI ARABIA ETC. Another example if two people were born in the same city, ate the same food, & fought the same war that doesn't make them the same or one of them being the contemporary of the other. One could be a muslim & the other a christian even though CLOSLY RELATE BUT NOT THE SAME OR BEING CLAIMED AS ONE OF THE OTHER OR BEING THE COMTEMPORARY OF THE OTHER. DO NOT GENERALIZE!!! DO NOT CRITICIZE OTHERS & HAVE A MATURE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS THATS WHY SITES LIKE THIS ARE MADE, SO YOU CAN HAVE A FREE MIND!!! -- KALMANI 00:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do not use caps. Also note to not delete sourced info. Chaldean 15:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

You deleted my three sources that I gave you & you gave me a biased Assyrian Source. You keep on reverting back & deleting my contributions because its true & its not in your beliefs. Do not change something to what you dont know & dont delete any contributions to this page. You are not the on e& only. DO NOT DELETE ANY CONTRIBUTIONS Chaldean becuase you have no authorization to do so. This is a collaboration not bias to your beliefs. Read my sources & DO NOT DELETE!--KALMANI 16:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Your edits dont make sense. Please tell me how I am giving you "baised Assyrian sources"? The sources I am giving you are;

• Strickert, Fred. "Christianity in Iraq: A Small But Respected and Multi-Faceted Population", Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, March 1999, pp. 81-82. - last time I checked Fred Strickert is not an Assyrian and The Washington Report is not an Assyrian newspaper.
• Jonathan Eric Lewis, "Iraqi Assyrians: Barometer of Pluralism," The Middle East Quarterly, Vol. 10 (Summer 2003). - last time I checked Jonathan Lewis is not an Assyrian and Middle East Qaurterly is not an Assyrian magazine.
• Al-Machriq, “Revue Catholique Orientale Mensuelle,” 2, no. 3 (Beyrouth, 1899): 97. - Al-Machriq is not an Assyrian and the Lebanese Journal he wrote for was not an Assyrian journal.

In conclusion, I advice you to leave your Sterling Heights home and explore outside of Michigan. Go back home and ask Chaldean Catholics about their identity instead of trying to paint them something else. If Chaldeans in Iraq dont consider themselves Assyrian then they would not be waving Assyrian flags. Pshena. Chaldean 16:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Kalmani please calm down, if you continue the page will be locked and than you cannot edit anything I'll be back to confirm this. Artaxiad 16:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Cahldean you are reverting back to your biased opinion & deleting my contributions because they're against your beliefs which are untrue, so why dont crawl from underneath that rock & educate your little mind & explore the truth. I live where I live but if you are threatening me you will be reported. So dont intimidate none who is trying to help. You are feeble minded & you are trying to criticize others. This page will be locked & let the truth be told that you cant push beliefs onto others & make people believe that it is true. just because a Hawaiian waives a chinese flag or a asian waiving a Turkish doesn't necessarily mean that they are chinese or Turkish. So open your mind & think, dont be dum to your thoughts, understand what is true & accept it.--KALMANI 16:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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