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	Ice cream is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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History section

The history section of this article is a self-contradictory mess. It starts be telling us that Iranians were making frozen desserts (actually' deserts'!) around 550 BC, and ends by saying that they were only made possible after the discovery of the endothermic effect, dated to the 4th century AD. In between, it makes all sorts of contradictory statements, base in some cases apparently on original research. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

You've just deleted this sentence:

The history of ice cream is full of myths and stories with little evidence to support them.

CABF45 (talk) 13:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I did, because you copy-pasted it from the source, in blatant disregard to the copyright policy already brought to your attention on WP:RSN. And even if it wasn't a breach of copyright, it did nothing to improve the section. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

The original sentence is slightly different and the sentence was properly credited to the source, a Royal Society of Chemistry book. CABF45 (talk) 13:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

References

1. Chris Clarke (2007). The Science of Ice Cream. Royal Society of Chemistry. p. 4.

I am not interested in debating with you further. Violate Misplaced Pages copyright policy again and I will report the matter. I didn't start this section to continue a discussion we have already had elsewhere, and your insistence on doing so is disruptive. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

That's the easiest thing to do. It's only about four-five sentences. How would you cite them according to your standards? CABF45 (talk) 14:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump: Is the self contradictory template still relevant since CABF45's disruptive edits are now removed ?---Wikaviani 14:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes. The origins section still ends by stating that "Ice cream was made possible only by the discovery of the endothermic effect", which is incompatible with things stated earlier. I suspect that the root issue here is that there is no real agreement as to what constitutes 'ice cream', and there is unlikely to ever be one. In such circumstances, Misplaced Pages needs to avoid definitive statements - and ideally, to avoid sources which make them. From a quick look, I get the impression that we are citing a fair number of sources that are likely to be questionable for historical content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Comment @CABF45: You seem to ignore that chemists are not historians, while the royal society of chemistry would be a reliable source for articles about chemistry, they are not for the history of ice cream. Please read our guidelines, that will spare time for all of us.---Wikaviani 14:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

However, the Indian Express is a perfect source for these types of claims... CABF45 (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove it, there are many other sources supporting this claim.---Wikaviani 14:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed it for you. Done here.---Wikaviani 14:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

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