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| As for the dispute concerning the attacks thrown at each other, I think that this is a different dispute concerning civility, in which case I feel that you are both in violation of ]. I do disagree with the admin block (for LP violations),however, I would agree with an admin block for both of you for violations of ], but there is really nothing anyone can do right now about that. I think that the article should have been fully protected much sooner than it actually was, and finally, the both of you should have stayed civil about this. It sounds harsh, but it's the truth. ] 02:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Mediation Case: 2007-02-10 Boris Stomakhin
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Request Information
- Request made by: Vlad fedorov 06:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Where is the issue taking place?
- Boris Stomakhin, Talk:Boris_Stomakhin
- Who's involved?
- Biophys, Vlad fedorov
- What's going on?
- Biophys removed sourced material from the article claiming that they are poorly sourced, contradict to LP policy, that they are defamatory, controversial and etc. The underlying problem for edit warring is that Biophys holds strongly Russophobic views and maintains that criminal Boris Stomakhin, who got 5 years of prison in Russia for public calls to extremism and terrorism against Russians including me, is actually innocent dissident and there is a conspiracy against him by Russian government. Biophys took his text material inserted into the article Boris Stomakhin from blog La Russophobe. As you could see phrases in the current article Boris Stomakhin match those in Blog La Russophobe. It is evident that this Blog La Russophobe is inciting ethnic hatred at least. The page of that blog http://russophobe.blogspot.com/2006/06/why-is-lr-russophobe-why-arent-you.html says that you should hate Russians. User:Biophys insists that we should agree on exclusion from the article of citations taken from Russian respectable newspapers which hints that Stomakhin is not really innocent peaceful dissident, but actually almost a fascist. Following the edit warring between me and User:Biophys, Boris Stomakhin article was protected by administrator User:Cbrown1023 who told that he would unprotect that page till I reach an agreement with User:Biophys. User:Biophys refuses to negotiate and to make any changes. Instead he forces removal of all sources which present another POV. The example of this is the following:
Sorry, but I insist to exclude this paragraph for the reasons explained above. This is my last word. There is nothing to discuss here. Biophys 23:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Also Biophys openly hinted on me as an agent of KGB working in the internet. called me a troll on my talk page and therefore personaly attacked me. http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Boris_Stomakhin#Further_actions However the main reason is that my edits are properly sourced and present fairly another POV which Biophys deleted from the article completly.
Biophys is a very interesting user, who contributes only to two topics: either anti-Russian propaganda, such as Putin (Putin phallus, Putin's citations), involvement of Russian in world terrorism, Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, Mitrokhin archieve and etc.) where he advances only one POV - Russophobic, or Biophysics (hence that's why he had chosen his nick). He never contributes to NPOV materials and holds extreme Anti-Russian position. Initially article about Boris Stomakhin was designed by Biophys to claim violations of freedom of speech in Russia (article 'Human rights in Russia'). However after I edited this article to present another POV, he began his personal vendetta on me by reverting and deleting all other materials, because my edits had compromised his edits at the article 'Human rights in Russia'. Incidentaly, the article was edited by two Russian admins - Alex Bakharev and Mikka, but Biophys was reverting and deleting even their versions, without any hesitation.
I was arbitrarily blocked by English-speaking admin but not for violating 3RR rule, but allegedly for the violation of LP. However, it is ridiculous that English speaking admin could estimate violation of LP policy on Russian sources. Moreover, I was blocked not for reverting, but because the version to which I was reverting the article contained three sentences which lacked references in their ends. All thess references were supported later by the corresponding sources. Other admins told to admin who blocked me that their own articles lack far more sources than mine.
I would like also to note for that Biophys has recently deleted information compromising him from his user page and specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Biophys&diff=prev&oldid=107095030 -- his deleted article on blog La Russophobe, Russian stereotypes, Putin phallus, and etc. Why he deletes such information? Maybe he's afraid of something?
- What would you like to change about that?
- I would like to reintroduce in the article deleted opinion of journalists and reporters from respectable Russian newspapers which present another point of view on Stomakhin and his activities. The article is full with statements from the other POV-holders.
- I would like to reintroduce deleted citations taken from the Stomakhin articles published on the web, since they are not contradictory and present his personal POV.
- I would like to reintroduce in the article, deleted citations of Stomakhin taken from the official court sentence without any commentaries and explanations by Biophys.
- I would like to reintroduce in the article deleted full citations of charges from the court official sentence of which Stomakhin was found guilty.
- I would like to reintroduce in the article deleted citations from Stomakhin defenders Novodvorskaya and Gannushkina which prove that Stomakhin views were not dissident.
- I would like to reintroduce in the article deleted facts about disinformation which was contained in statement of Jewish Councils about Stomakhin case.
- Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
- By any way possible to you in Misplaced Pages. My talk page and so on.
Response by another side. My arguments about violation of LP policy by Vlad Fedorov can be found here Talk:Boris_Stomakhin#Violations_of_LP_policy. So, I reported this to LP noticeboard and tried to enforce LP policy. The history of our negotiations after Stomakhin article was blocked: Talk:Boris_Stomakhin#Setting_the_rulesSee also Vlad's accusations here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Boris_Stomakhin_article_and_inciting_of_ethinic_hatred. Main problem at the moment is that Vlad fedorov stalks and attacks me personally: he reverts all my recent edits in articles on political topics. See Izvestia, David Satter, Yulia Latynina, Mitrokhin Archive and Anatoliy Golitsyn. Boris Stomakhin article (that I have created) was only first of this kind. Vlad was blocked for 24 hours but evaded this block. Biophys 15:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Now he also attacked my old edits in articles Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation and Active measures. Biophys 19:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC) So, instead of resolving this issue with Boris Stomakhin article, he began reverting war with me with regard to several other articles. Of course, I am not going to participate in RR wars. But he effectively blocks my ability to work in Misplaced Pages on Russian topics. Biophys 20:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC) There is a couple of misunderstandings here. First, I have created an article "La Russophobe" (about web blog), which has been deleted later. This deleted article has no relationship to Boris Stomakhin article. Second, I have never called anyone "KGB agent", as can see from the text of discussion page. Biophys 20:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Mediator response
As for the dispute concerning the attacks thrown at each other, I think that this is a different dispute concerning civility, in which case I feel that you are both in violation of WP:CIVIL. I do disagree with the admin block (for LP violations),however, I would agree with an admin block for both of you for violations of WP:3RR, but there is really nothing anyone can do right now about that. I think that the article should have been fully protected much sooner than it actually was, and finally, the both of you should have stayed civil about this. It sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Diez2 02:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.
- As I am reading the 2 diffs between both of your versions, I am noticing a few things. First, Biophys, you use a lot of the same sources that Vlad fedorov is using. You have introduced several other sources, but I do not notice a whole lot of change in the source department. However, Vlad fedorov , he has a point. It is a violation of WP:NPOV to display him as this all-evil person who is out to destroy the world. However, Biophys went a little too far in proclaiming Stomakhin as the victim. If, and only if, there are credible sources (not editorials or other opinionated works), then the parts of Biophys that are sourced should be kept. I do not recommend the deletion of the already sourced content. I recommend that the article be reverted back to Vlad fedorov's version, and then the sourced parts of Biophys's version should be re-added. I am only 1 person, though, and I would wait for other people to respond before unprotecting the article. Diez2 01:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Discussion
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