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Hello Marad ,regarding Bakhtishu's family they were Syriac perhaps originally from southern Iran (Ahwaz)however they were not Persian because they never wrote in Persian they only wrote in Arabic and Syriac (from wikipedia), also i added one source in one of these articles (Bakhtishu)and i'll try to find more sources later if you can do these changes that would be great--] 00:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC) Hello Marad ,regarding Bakhtishu's family they were Syriac perhaps originally from southern Iran (Ahwaz)however they were not Persian because they never wrote in Persian they only wrote in Arabic and Syriac (from wikipedia), also i added one source in one of these articles (Bakhtishu)and i'll try to find more sources later if you can do these changes that would be great--] 00:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
: I think they were Christian Persians, I'll look it up further tomorrow and make appropriate changes. But you don't have to write in Persian to be Persian, many Persians wrote in Arabic, Turkic , Greek and even Syriac. Cheers. --] 00:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC) : I think they were Christian Persians, I'll look it up further tomorrow and make appropriate changes. But you don't have to write in Persian to be Persian, many Persians wrote in Arabic, Turkic , Greek and even Syriac. Cheers. --] 00:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Arbitration ==

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Hey

Hey, s'up.. Look, I have the impression that you feel that I have been harassing you for a reason. That's not the case. I was just going to leave another post after I saw that you deleted my post by calling it an accusation. In any case I just wanted to write this since I have a feeling that we might get into a useless edit-war over WP templates and tags. Let's not to do it :)) Why do you think that the Azerbaijani language article shouldn't have a WP Turkey? Look, WP templates doesn't mean that it belongs to Turkey or anything. Only thing that matters is that the subject matter should be related somehow to the WP. And believe me, Azerbaijani language is of great historic and current interest to many subjects relating to Turkey. Don't get the wrong meaning with the WP templates, I will overhaul WP Turkey soon, that's why I am laying the ground by adding these templates. Let me know of what u think. Baristarim 07:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

No problems, it's cool. You should know that the Mediterranean blood sometimes gets the best of me :)) Nothing I ever say is personal, even if we get into arguments.. We are just here trying to make some contributions with what we know, and unfortunately sometimes things get a little bit heated :)) If there is anything that I can help with, or even for simple concerns, feel free to contact me. As for the template thing, I hear what you mean, it is fine.. I am busy this weekend, but I will try to have a look at WP Caucasia later, maybe I will join. In any case, happy editing! Cheers! Baristarim 11:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I won't revert again and I will try to contact Mustafa about it too. I suppose any such discussions can be aboarded in the talk page. However, I hear what you mean about them being connected to Iran's history, no problems :) Baristarim 08:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Scythia

So far as I can tell, it's my edits that are being continually removed. Please have some patience as the question of language which seems to be all-important to somebody will be addressed, but it does not belong in history/archaeology.

Thats just barefact. The language part is not part of history/archeology, it is part of origin. --alidoostzadeh 09:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Masawaiyh

I have only ever seen him referred to as Assyrian, or rather as a Syriac-speaker. To my knowledge Persians of the period did not customarily write in Syriac or Aramaic. If you have access to the Encyclopedia of Islam (which I don't at the moment), I imagine we could clear up the issue fairly swiftly. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: List of Arab scientists and scholars

Most of my advice to Jidan was generic - ie to discuss as a matter of urgency. Of course, I had looked with some care at the page history, and agree with you tht Jidan shouldn't be making the eidts he is doing against the consensus (which is demonstrated by the fact that more than one editor is reverting him). He is getting close to violating the 3RR rule, and I hope that rather than doing so, he sticks to discussion (the reason I re-protected so uickly ws to attempt to avoid the current edit warring and consensus ignoring). Unfortunately, I have not had time to take a detailed look at the dispute, but if problems continue, I will do so. Martinp23 13:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

WPTR and Fuzuling

Ok, thanks for the tags :) As for the name, it is no problem... Somebody asked me to check it via e-mail ("Fuzuli under attack!"), so I have to admit that I kinda head-dived into it :) I have been editting a range of articles so I wasn't paying much attention.. Cheers! Baristarim 15:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ibn Yunus

Hello! Thanks for taking the time to research the background of Ibn Yunus, it's appreciated. — · ☥ 04:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

?

(1) The source you brought does not agree with your POV (Majus is a derogatory term). if "the term's application nowadays is one of derogatory nature" then bring a source to prove this.

(2) Ibn Yunus's name is ibn Yunus al-Sadafi al-Misri. Whether You Like It or Not, that's his name. I added a source and you deleted it. I can bring alot of other reliable sources that prove that his name is with "al-Sadafi".--Lanov 05:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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You don't know what the tag is used for I am afraid, and calling me disruptive and rude for pointing it out is extremely unfair. Did you read this Misplaced Pages:POV check? I don't think you have. The policy says "The POV check template,

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Don't worry, I am extremely well aware of how Misplaced Pages works, and I couldn't see anything in the talk page. There needs to be a detailed explanation of the disagreements, otherwise such placement of template is what is disruptive. I hope that you will agree with this? That template as is was used for harrassment of the article instead of some legitimate encyclopedic behavior. Tags without explanations, or talk pages without discussions are grounds for the immediate removal of such tags. Please keep that in mind. Baristarim 06:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

?? Of course you can nominate it, but you have to explain your reasons in a detailed way in the talk page. Read applicable Wiki policies, instead of calling me rude or disruptive. Cut down on the incivility. If the person making the nomination doesn't explain his reasons in the talk page, the tag will be taken down per Wiki policy as pointed out above, is that clear enough? Instead of apologizing and admitting that I actually knew the policy and you didn't, and as such, you falsely accused me of being disruptive and rude, when in fact it was people who were putting it in without any notes on the talk page were disruptive, you left an even nastier note on my talk page! Thanks. Baristarim 06:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Mardavich, See the United Nation's map about regions of the world, there is no region called "Southwest Asia" Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) 20:45, 21 December 2006

Turan & Chupanids articles

Thanks. Instead of edit/revert warring, cooperating is definitely better. Cheers! E104421 12:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Persian Gulf naming dispute

I've decline for the moment as the editor hasnt edited for more than 5 hours, when this situations occurs warn for each edit as its reverted for EL use {{spam2}} {{spam3}} etc. or report at WP:3RR if they dont comply with policies. Gnangarra 13:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Iranica

Dear Mardawich, Ofcourse Iranica can be accepted as a reliable source in many area but not for directly Persian articles.In these case more neutral sources are needed. Regards. Must 19:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Hey s'up.. See the article's talk page and my note to Khoikhoi's talk page about Fuzuli. If need be, we can continue the discussion in the article's talk page. As for the geography of Turkey, I also left a note at the article's talk page. The current edit was reverted, but I will rewrite it per my note on the talk page so that it will be included. Cheers! Baristarim 05:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Messe

Dear mardawich, I had no any bad intention, see my summary. It seemed to me there is a dublicate there.That is all. Regards. Must 13:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Affected

Yes, "affect" is a more informative word than "derive from". In oxford dictionary "affect" means "have an influence or impression on". "... derived from ..." is a very strong argument. Regards. E104421 15:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

template

Why you interested in so much Turkish templates. Do you have special reasons. Follow talk page firstly. Your rv, will be reverted tomorrow, not now. Regards. Must 08:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

"Owning"?. How you conclude it, from my message.? please be reasonable in your edits.See related talk page. Happy new year to you.Must 08:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopedia

Dear Mardavich, Islamic culture intimately related with Arabic culture. That's why it's mentioned. Furthermore, Seljuks adopted this culture at the expense of their own. Regards. E104421 17:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

What i'm mentioning is not the Arabic language but the culture, as i wrote above. In academic version of Britannica it's written as "...Because the Turkish Seljuqs had no Islamic tradition or strong literary heritage of their own, they adopted the cultural language of their Persian instructors in Islam...". Regards. E104421 18:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Alright, maybe mentioning all these in a separate section in detail such as Culture of Seljuks is better. Your version is almost ok. Thanks. E104421 11:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Artificial Islands in the Persian Gulf

Salam! Please see: Conflicts over the construction of Artificial Islands in the Persian Gulf. Thanks.Sangak 15:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hey, thanks for trying to keep an eye on that article. I really don't want some anons messing up the article and torpedoing the whole FAC. I am still working on the issue (u know what :)), but any deletion of content by anons on vague POV grounds should be reverted. Thanks for your earlier support btw and happy new year! Baristarim 21:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

New year message

Happy New Year! E104421 13:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the reminder about the AfD- although it would be much appreciated if you could respond on my talk page instead. Just so you know, I have changed my opinion. Sr13 (T|C) 04:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD iranwiki

Voted. Mahanchian 21:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Türkiye Portalı

Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Misplaced Pages:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Compromise

Thats fine with me.Azerbaijani 19:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf

Please be cautious of your edits at Persian Gulf as I see you have made several reverts to the article recently. If you persist with excessive reversions and disruptive editing, you may be blocked either for WP:3RR or simply disruption. Discuss matters on Talk:Persian Gulf rather than reverting the work of others on sight. -- tariqabjotu 16:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Please quit provoking Ahwaz on his talk page. -- tariqabjotu 23:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I not provoking anyone, I am simply discussing content and citing Misplaced Pages policies, which is entirely within my rights as a user, and user:Ahwaz responds by saying "you are a liar, as well as a stalker and a bully" or that "I can't read English" and you come and warn me? You're an administrator, you should know the WP:NPA policy better than me. Are such comments acceptable to you? If not, then why isn't user:Ahwaz being warned? --Mardavich 23:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
No, I do not believe Ahwaz's comments are acceptable. And yes, I am familiar with WP:NPA, which in part says Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all. I understand it's not just a lone personal attack, but the guy is blocked... there isn't much harm he can do since his talk page is the only place he can post comments. If you stop posting on his talk page, it is very likely he will stop responding. It's as if you're sticking your hand into a lion's cage; you keep doing it even though you know you'll get bitten and even though you can just leave it alone. -- tariqabjotu 23:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you fooling yourself here?

I said the 8 or 9 unique sounds from the total 38 sounds in Armenian is "not found in any of the other" Indo-European languages. Mr. Nersessian is from the New York Academy of Sciences. There is your academic source also. Ararat arev 13:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich, don't waste precious bytes responding to this bs.-- Ευπάτωρ 14:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Please see my posts about the specifics of the subject. I spent time in good faith finding sources and rewriting that intro, there is no anti-X going on, believe me. My specific posts about the article are on that link I gave you.. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me. Cheers! Baristarim 14:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I made a new edit in keeping consistency with the sources cited about its timeline, please have a look and tell me what you think. Maybe that clarification will help. Thanks Baristarim 14:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Mardavich, I need your help here. I spent a lot of time in good faith rewriting that intro, and Pejman reverted to the previous version. Can you take a look at my latest version and the reverted version? My latest version was very precise and academic, and I tried to address your concerns. However, it is really not fair that my additions are reverted just like that. I made those edits in real good faith and was trying to address the particular concerns. What do you think? Cheers Baristarim 16:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:History of Iran

Hi, Mardavich. This template is getting wider and wider in such a way that it starts cluttering the articles. Could you make it compact or esoteric as i did to Template:Equipment of the Turkish Navy? Cheers! E104421 18:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Iran:POV

Salam.

Ma momkene ba ham dar bazi mavared ektlaf dashte bashim vali ensafan in bakhsh History of Iran#Iran after arrival of Islam kheili bad neveshte shode. Man tu safhe bahsesh ham tozih dadam mitunam saatha ba har ki ham ke mokhalefe bahs konam. Man Shu'ubiyya ra mifahmam. Talash Iraniha baraye khuruje az solte arabha ra qabul daram vali in talash dar goftomane syasie qurun 1 ta 7 hejri emkan buruz melligarayane ya qeyr islami nadashte. In che esrarie ke ma tarikh ra baeinake emruz motalee konim. Samanian hamishe be khalife vafadar budand va ba saffarian va alavian mijangand, har chand be sheddat be zaban va rusum parsi ahammiat midadand. Buyian har chand zeidi budand va baqdad ra ham migirand vali bish az anke ehyaye sonnathaye irani karde bashand ashura ra ehya kardand. In zartoshti ha nabudand ke tahte hakemiate Buian azadie tarvije aqide peyda kardand balke Shiayan budand. Bad ham iranihaye sunni dar zaman saljuqian mesle khaje nezam va qazali az hich talashi baraye taqviate mashruiate khelafate forugozar nakardand va agar anha be dade khelafate abbasi nemiresidand shayad kheili zudtar az beyn miraft. Khorsan az qarn 2 ta 7 yeki az marakeze asli ahle sonnat bude. Aslan man nemikham davari konam ke khub bude ya na migam chera enqadr iraniha tarikh ra tahrif mikonand. --Sa.vakilian 19:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Akhe in karha ba kare unke khalije fars ra khalij arabi mige ya unke "Islamic conquest of Afqghanistan" jal mikone va kheilihaye dige hich farqi nadare. Kare bad, bade hatta agar be nafe ma bashe.--Sa.vakilian 19:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Turco-Persian

The term is actually used in reference to India's Moghols and others who were ethnically Turkic, but culturally Persian, and hence Turko-Persian. I think you're pretty knowledgeable on history-related issues and you can help improve articles that are related to Iranian history, if you stopped being impatient and expecting perfection when you are in a dispute with other users. Ageh saboor bashi o araam, vaa baa in modirha injaa kal kal nakoni vaa atoo dasteshon naadi, hameh chiz rou misheh ba siaasat dorost injaa hal kard. --Mardavich 14:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mardavich. Thanks for the inputs and rāhnemāehā. May I ask your citation(s) for the Turko-Persian term with reference to Mughals of India. Reagrds Surena 17:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Persianate Template

Do you think we should have a Persianate template that we could place in related articles?Azerbaijani 19:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No! --Mardavich 20:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Its not based on ethnicity, is it? From what I read on the Persianate article, its just about societies that adopted a certain culture.Azerbaijani 21:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

In no way does WTA apply here. Celil is considered a terrorist by three governments. Therefore, per the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations and common sense, the category should stay. Please read what it says on C:Dto before responding. KazakhPol 05:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

User:NisarKand

Thanks for reverting NIsarKand's POV. COuld you please also have a look at the articles Ghurids, Ghaznavids, Kandahar, Zahir Shah, and Hammasa Kohistani, where he pushes for his unsourced POV?! (He was even claiming that the "Ottoman Empire invaded Afghanistan in the 12th century" and that the "Ghaznavids were Turks from Turkey" ... His knowledge is way below the common standard in Misplaced Pages; yet, he still pushes for that POV).

Tājik 19:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

Why do you keep on removing the fact that he was convicted of terrorism? It's not like this is debatable... this is all sourced. You also do not seem to understand WTA. WTA means the stating that he is a terrorist, not that he has been convicted of terrorism. Also, Category:Designated terrorist organizations overrules anything in WTA. Please read the explanation on Category:Designated terrorist organizations. KazakhPol 21:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Please subst warning templates

When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. Will (Talk - contribs) 05:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:Greater Iran

Hi Mardavich,

I have heard that you're a template expert, do you think you can tidy up Template:Greater_Iran?

Have a modified format for the header and list of dynasties, but see the template is currently in a state of flux; will hold back, therefore, until it becomes quieter. Hope that's okay. Yours, David Kernow (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
PS Not an expert, just accumulating a bag of tricks!

Can you upload your format now? ...
I'll take a look a little later on. Regards, David (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Have now tinkered with the template. I (and I reckon other folk) would prefer the previous line-spacing, but, since the template now uses a table to format the dates, I'm not sure how or whether this is possible. I've noticed before that trying to set a line-spacing below 100% always seems to produce the same result; see the current User:David Kernow/Template:History of Iran for an example. I'll see if any of the properly-technical folk I've met here can enlighten me.
Meanwhile, you may've already noticed that I've also left an observation on the template's talkpage; to paraphrase it a little more frankly, I have the feeling that those people who know something about the subject and have been contributing to the template may've lost sight of Misplaced Pages's role as a general encyclopedia...
Best wishes, David (talk) 10:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
PS I'm also inclined to agree with E104421's comment above; the template would shrink if the dates were removed as the current line-spacing situation would no longer pertain and more than one link could appear per line.

Khorasani Turkish Language and Khorasani-Turk Autonomy Flag

Please see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Khorasani Turkish language Surena 12:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Blasphemy_laws_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#POV

Please reason at Talk:Blasphemy_laws_of_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran#POV.--Patchouli 06:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Islamic state

Please cite sources and don't say it is a common definition.--Patchouli 06:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Self-linking

Dear Mardavich Although I understand the reason behind self-linking not being permitted, I'd suggest you look at the history of the pages on the Cyrus Cylinder and Cyrus the Great. Both subjects have been the subject of fierce discussions, as the subjects have been used by modern-page propagandists. Propaganda can best be countered by quoting sources, and for that reason a team of scholars has put online a transcript and a translation, carefully proofread. It's on my site, and not even the propagandists have removed this self-linking. The UN-press release I've linked to, is also vital, because it illustrates the other side. If you know another way of presenting the sources, feel free to link to that web page; but for the time being, I propose to keep the link. Jona Lendering 01:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Al-Munthir

Thanks for the heads up. :-) Check out what I've wrote at Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Al-Munthir. Khoikhoi 22:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Mohammad Reza Tavassoli

There should be at least one external links that mentions him.--Patchouli 01:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: block-evading IP

He's only reverted twice so far, so I don't that that justifies semi-protection at this point. Let's see if it gets any worse. Khoikhoi 06:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, check it out: someone listed Freddie Mercury on WP:LAME! Khoikhoi 07:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

iran 1989 present

Baradar, article concerning 1989 takes up very important issues that need to be clarified. We dont get to hear the "truth" often in the real media at least we have this. Its important to know about the millions of refugees, the earthquakes, about ahmadinejads statemants, about things that are actually said and things that then becomes "interpreted" and "exploited" by some, in order for our brothers and sisters in Iran to get bombs rained on them again, here people at least can read what is actually going on and said and then make a decision of their own. Aghalan bezar yek modati bashi va lotfan pakesh nakon ba sepas User talk:cyrus111

Re:

Check this out Wiki Page Protection. Surena 17:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Surena 18:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

hi

It is enabled since you have asked me. Regards. Fad (ix) 18:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Anti-Iranianism

I'm sorry. My deletion of that comment was the completely accidental result of an edit conflict. GabrielF 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Iranianism

Thanks for notifying me about the AfD. Agha Nader 21:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Category:Kurdistan

Why did you revert my edit? --Cat out 03:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It is accurate and it's from 2002, I don't agree with your reasoning. --Mardavich 03:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
USSR was not around in 2002. Map makes no mention of the word "kurdistan" establishing Kurdistan as a cultural region based on a map like that falls under WP:OR. --Cat out 04:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Okey, I replaced the map with another one. --Mardavich 05:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
That still is a "kurdish inhabitance" map with no mention of kurdistan. That map can be used on Kurdish people to show the ethnicities distribution. It is not an accurate representation of the geographic region. It also does not establish Kurdistan as a "cultural region". --Cat out 05:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Company information

Dear sir

I am the It manager of jetasia i would like to request that stop messing with our company information that is posted on wikipedia due to the fact that is no correct, and its outdated you dont have any mandate from us to edit or posted on internet even if its missinformation.

best regards IT manager Jetasia

Hello ... This is Chuck Woods, CEO of Jet Asia Limited. Your posting of our company's information was based on an article by Kirby Harrison that was largely erroneous. Plus that, the article was written in 2002, and much has changed with Jet Asia and in Macau. Please verify your facts before posting further. If you have questions or issues, you can call my office in Macau at +853 861116. Thanks for your professional cooperation. Regards, Chuck Woods

Iran international crisis

Baradar, I am being accused of reverting even though I am just adding, it is my contributions that are being reverted or erased, whats going on? Anyways I need your help on the talk page of Iran international crisis, we are under attack! Bring others "loyals" for their contributions! --Cyrus111

Edit warring

You have been engaging in edit warring at Equality Party (Azerbaijan) recently. Please stop unproductive and confrontational warring and restrict disagreements to talk page discussion. If you have problems, use the dispute resolution process. Persistent edit warring instead of dispute warring may met with blocks. Please take a look at Help:Reverting#Dont.27s. Dmcdevit·t 05:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that's not acceptable. It doesn't matter whether you think the others' edits are inappropriate or not; we don't solve edit disputes by warring. I'm very dismayed that you decided to continue reverting after my message. Please take the next 24 hours to review our dispute resolution processes so that you will be ready to use them when your block expires. Also, it is common courtesy to give a rationale in the edit summary when reverting a good faith edit; use of automatic edit summaries is more likely to escalate the confrontation. Dmcdevit·t 11:00, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
There must have been a mistake Dmcdevit, I didn't revert Equality Party (Azerbaijan) after you warning. I didn't make ANY reverting of ANY good faith edit after you warning, please check your e-mail for further details. --Mardavich 12:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
A mistake indeed. I think it was careless PST - UTC mixup, and I had gone offline shortly after. Sorry about that. However, for the reasons I stated, your talk page message didn't help. When there is an edit conflict, please indicate that you would like to pursue dispute resolution rather than attempting to justify repeated reversions by saying the other edits were inappropriate (surely everyone claims that or they wouldn't have reverted; the way to solve that tension is not through hostility). Dmcdevit·t 20:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Dmcdevit, you're right, I'll be more careful in the future. --Mardavich 21:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Guardian Council

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Guardian_Council#Vicious_Circle Farhoudk 19:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Al-Fazari the Arab

  • In which book and page did Richard N. Frye mentioned that he's Persian.
  • What are the "most other sources" that says he's Persian?
  • Why you deleted my sourced edit? this is not your first time.
  • You don't see me changing alfraganus identity, or Abul Wáfa for example. And you won't see me do that. But, this guy's name, just like Ibn Yunus, indicate that he is from the Arab tribe of Fezara (Ibn Yunus is from al-Sadaf).

So, stop deleting my edits.!--Lanov 21:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

You didn't answer my first and third question. AND you're the one who said that most other sources mention him as Persian, so you're the one who's supposed to show these sources, not me, unless you don't know what are you talking about or you are not telling the truth. I'm still waiting for your answers. --Lanov 22:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


Why?

Why did you delete the reference for Banu Musa 's article , as long as there is no reference that proves your idea you do not have the right to delete my contributions , also the reference which I gave was the official web site for School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews, Scotland ,so if you do NOT accept references from a respectable University what will you accept then??!!,(By The Way this is not the first time you delete my contributions) please keep your racism away from Misplaced PagesAziz1005 20:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


Use edit summaries

Please use edit summaries for all of your edits.Aziz1005 20:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

References

It's not up to you to decide what is and what is not a reliable reference. We have a WP:RS; I think you should SAy that to your self . you can add a reference .However, this does not give you the right to delete others references when these references does not match your opinion.Aziz1005 20:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

A student page, on a university server, is neither a reference nor matches a primary source like the ones I have provided. Read WP:RS again. --Mardavich 20:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Unknown modern Persian book is not a reliable reference ; read about Sources in languages other than English Aziz1005 21:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
And Arabic because all thier known books were in Arabic Aziz1005 21:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The source I provided is in English. --Mardavich 21:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
No not the first one is not English ;the second one is in English and it does not say directly Banu Musa were Persian.Eventhough, this does not give you the right to delete my contributions and sourcesAziz1005 00:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Ok then, you have changed your sources.However this does not give you the right to delete my edits and sources....thanxAziz1005 00:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
No m8 you did delete my edits and then another user came and deleted it again, and as i told you before i know this is not the first article you follow my edits and delete it despite having respectable sources, wikipedia is for all people every one can give his/her facts and the reader can judge....Aziz1005 00:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Still waiting

I'm still waiting for your answer, why did you delete my sourced edit? was there a problem in my source/citation? I want to know so I can bring another appropriate one (if the first one was not appropriate). Also, don't forget to give the "most other sources" that refer to him as Persian. --Lanov 22:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

2 other questions before you add them. (1) so you are saying my source was not reliable? if yes then why?, if no then why u deleted it in the first place? (2) what is a reliable source? --Lanov 22:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Great, 8 sources! I will give you a chance to double check each one of these sources. I didn't check all of them, but the 3 out of 4 references I checked, did not mention anything about his Persian origin. Also, can you please provide me with the translation of the German sources. --Lanov 02:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. It's been 48 hours since I asked you to double check your sources in al-Fazari article. Until now, I checked all of them except one German source, which I'm waiting for its translation from a German wikipedian. Anyhow, I will give you another day to check them. It's ok to admit that you made a mistake(s) (YOU REALLY DID!).
(1) I believe that you believe that these are reliable sources. Do you accept if I cite any of them in any article in wikipedia? (y/n)
(2) You did not tell me why these sources are reliable. You did not tell me why you reverted my sourced edit.
(3) You said al-Fazari's family came from Afghanistan. Your source please (REAL ONE).
(4) You said he translated "things" into or from Persian. That do not make him Persian nor it make him an Arab.
(5) In the period which al-Fazari lived in, why an Arab wants to relinquish his last name (his tribe name)?. Tell me why a Persian wants to have an Arabic last name? You can't find a Persian who had an Arabic last name (Arab tribe name). In the case of Isphahani, this guy had another last name, al-Qurashi. It was very common to had more than one last name.
I am waiting for your answers. --Lanov 04:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not forcing you to answer me. But you deleted my sourced edit, and until now you did not tell me why. Do not say his family came from Afghanistan if you do not have a source. BTW, see this link from google books, David Eugene Smith in his book did not mention anything about him being Persian. Simple question, why you gave false information?
About al-Isphanai, when I said they have more than one last name, I did not mean that they are separate, i.e. al-Isphahani's name is Abu al-Faraj al-Isphahani al-Qurashi. --Lanov 14:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Fazari

You posted sources that al-fazari is persian. I assume they are from http://books.google.com/. Can you please post the links? Jidan 00:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Al-Khwarizmi (from Khwarizm, Al-Isfahani (from Isfahan), are place titles. People give you this titles becasue you come from these places without regard to what your ethnity is. If you lived in Sana'a, but you are iranian, then you traveled to baghdad. People there will start calling you "mani al-sana'ani", although you are actually originally not from sana'a. But the situation is different if you have the title of an arabian tribe. Because then it means you belong to this arab tribe, which means you are an Arab. Muhammad al-Fazari, comes from an arab tribe from Farizah in yemen . Here is a detailed biography of al-farazi in arabic which takes it sources from arabic primary sources written thousands years ago. Notice the sentence " ولد في الكوفة لأسرة عربية أصيلة ينحدر أصلها من فزارة ثم سكنت الكوفة." There are a lot of iranian users who speak a little bit arabic to translate this for you, if you don't trust me. Jidan 15:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Your violations of 3RR

You should say that to your self first. I fed up with you man remember NO ONE CAN CHANGE FACTS. The only loser is Misplaced Pages's neutrality. Either those people were Persian or Arabs I don't really mind I only want to know the truth and give my opinion as long as you give yours. I don't know why did you get (The Tireless Contributor Barn star)apparently from another Persian nationalist......try all way to give false informations(on wikipedia)once a day truth will come ........Take care borv (i wanna sleep)Aziz1005 02:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours. Khoikhoi 06:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Message

Hi, Email enabled. Kiumars

I have rewritten Abbas Kiarostami you like it? It is certainly not at featured level yet but is certainly higher than a start-class article Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I know I think it looks okay too.Beleive it or not but I have had a lot of ciritcism over it from one or two users who beleive the article is worse than before!! It is well referenced and really any of those tags should now be removed as it has been copy edited mostly and in the reception section made neutral. User:San ... from Iran also is trying to make it a feature. Top director! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 19:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami

salam

The article is for sure not close to A class let alone to FA. However if you see how much work I put into it , you will probably agree that it is getting close to an acceptable article some thing like Satyajit Ray, Martin Scorsese and Steven Spielberg. When I was in the middle of my works several users stepped in (upon my invitation though) and the control of the article went out of my hands. The users mainly rearranged or formatted my works. In any case the article now looks much nicer compared to 2006 versions. Over the last two weeks I invited tens of other users to work on the article. Hopefully it will come to a good shape. I prefer to watch for a while. Sangak 20:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

email

I enabled it since you asked. Wasn't even aware of the feature. Regards Egyegy 02:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Huseyincan Celil

Are you joking? 'It's already mentioned below.'? The Chinese government says he is a "key member of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement," an organization the government has designated as terrorist, and you remove Category:Terrorism in China because 'It's already mentioned below.' How does that explain your edit? KazakhPol 00:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Kyrgyz government asked for his extradition, and the Uzbek government arrested and deported him to China, with officials calling him a terrorist, and you removed Category:Terrorism in Central Asia. How do you explain that? KazakhPol 00:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Georgian Mazandarani

Please do not remove the Georgians from Mazadnaran. I do not see any reasons of your animosity towards the Georgians. Georgians constitute a substantial part of Mazandaran. Still many towns and villages as well as big neighborhoods in Mazanadarani cities bear the name Georgian. read some historical books.Shah Abbas has settled Mazandaran with Georgians. Read e.g. Tarikh-e Alam-Ara-ye Abbasi. Read Jaygah-e Gorjian by Said Muliani, Read Iranian-e Gorji by Mohammad Sepiani. I do not know whether you are Mazandarani or not. Probably you aren't because otherwise you knew this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Babakexorramdin (talk • contribs) 12:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Albert Wass

Why have you reverted my edit? I added the tags because I oppose the way some cities were named against Misplaced Pages's naming conventions. I removed the troublesome names and I removed the tags I've added as well. What is the problem? Daizus 16:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that you removed "the troublesome names", other users don't seem to agree with you, so the tags should stay until there is a resolution.--Mardavich 16:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
There are not other users, it is only one user. And why in your revert you also chose his version? Are you supporting him?
Also, about what agreement do you talk about? Are you familiar with http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28geographic_names%29?
Cheers. Daizus 17:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Huns

Hi, the Eurasian nomads related topics are all controversial but this does not mean that there exists no relation with Turkic people. Huns were a confederation but the ruling elite was most probably of Turkic origin. For this reason, there is nothing wrong in the category link. Regards. E104421 03:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation request

Doroud Mardavich!

Could you please help Sa.Vakilian:

Salam. Dear Sina, I get into trouble with translation of Ayatollah Khomeini's commandment for Bazargan. Can you please help me with it? Could you please look at Talk:Iranian revolution#Ayatollah Khomeini's commandment for Bazargan and translate it?--Sa.vakilian 08:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks in advance. Sina Kardar 10:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Architecting

Cool :) I am fine with it as well, I hope that the article can be expanded and improved as the time goes by. Cheers! Baristarim 05:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Armenian and Shahsevan in Markazi province

There are Armenians in Markazi province. I put not for nothing links to the Markazi ostandari, cultural heritage and the official Iranian Armenian www. arir.org, page. On Shahsevan I should say there their language/dialect is significantly different than Azeri, and that they retain a particularistic idenity it is justified to regard Shahsevan as an ethnic group and their language as Shahsevan language. Shahsevans of Qom and Mazxrakazi clearly state that they are Shahsevan and not Azeri. Anyway Still I do not see any justification to delete it, if you think that it is an Azeri dialect, then at least you should have put Azeri instead. Shahsevan is neither a dialect of Khalaj nor of Persian. Babakexorramdin 20:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Al-Fazari

Why don't you ask User:Ali doostzadeh to help you in the articles Ibrahim al-Fazari, and his son Muhammad al-Fazari? He has vast amouts of sources available to him. Jidan 14:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm researching the matter myself, I'll provide even more sources later on. I'm trying to get my hand on Fazari's own writings, there could be some clues there. --Mardavich 14:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Chile

The origen of the Chilean population is spaniard, (to see demography of Chile ) the Chile economy does not have a 58% of poverty, is impossible with the entrance per capita and the HDI of Chile. thanks. Antarcticwik 09:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked through that Santiago Times article, but was not able on a cursory glance to find where it states something to the effect of "around 58% of Chileans lived near or below poverty levels; 20.6% in extreme poverty." Could you cite directly from the article? Thanks. El_C 09:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi El C. The 58% comes from adding together the "lower" (38%) and "extremely poor" (20%) classes. The source itself specifically defines poverty as only the latter of the two classes. Maybe we could reword it to "58% at a low income level, with a full 40% of those below the poverty line". Providing comparisons to other first world countries like the US may help (the US, not the least of which because this is English Misplaced Pages, but also because it's often used for comparisons in the Western hemisphere). The robustness of the economy compared to the rest of Latin America should probably be included too. --Mardavich 09:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. On a cursory glance (again), it looks as if you have a decent argument for including that addition. El_C 09:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello, Mardavich!

I have reviewed some of your exchanges with Lambiam with great interest. I am curious whether you will regard this message as a personal attack, or not. Personally, I don't think anyone ought ever hide behind the WP:AGF policy. DavidCBryant 12:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Template:History of Iran

Hi again Mardavich,

...I need to make the fonts and the width of Template:History of Iran smaller and then make the individual countries in modern era hidden with a "show" option...

Sorry not to acknowledge your message more promptly. I wouldn't recommend reducing the font-size for the entries in the template any further; instead, I've just reduced the width of the template by splitting the Pre-modern section into BCE and CE sections (removing the need for those early dates to be suffixed with "BCE") and making the 1736 in the "Safavid Empire 1501-1722/1736" entry a footnote at the end of the section. (I guess the end of this empire is a point of contention, but took 1722 from the current opening paragraph of the article.)

Re creating hidden sections – which I agree might be a good idea – take a look at {{hidden}} and {{hidden begin}} / {{hidden end}}. If there's anything there that isn't self-explanatory, let me know. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 11:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Re Reply:
...I went through the instructions on "hidden", but I just couldn't figure it out. I previewed the page a few time after I had made changes per instruction, and it was a mess...
Apologies; I'd forgotten the template was a table, so using {{hidden}} or the like is indeed more tricky. I've amended the template so that it now consists of "subtables" within the main table, each subtable corresponding to a section and framed by {{hidden begin}}-{{hidden end}}. Not a straightforward introduction to hiding material, but I hope you'll be able to follow the code!
It may be possible to use {{hidden begin}}-{{hidden end}} without subtables, but if so, I imagine even more care (and perhaps workarounds) would be needed. The code would then be more fragile, i.e. more prone to accidental mangling in the future. Yours, David (talk) 11:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Cinema of Iran

Salam! I think you are interested to help us on Iranian cinema. Since December 2005 I am working on Iranian cinema. You see that the article came a long path. . Ihave been improving it slowly as I had also other committments. As you have a good command of English language, you are in principle able to help me improving this article faster. It would be great if you could contribute to this article and help me in copyeditting. Any helps will be very much appreciated. Thanks. Sangak 18:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Bakhtishu

Hello Marad ,regarding Bakhtishu's family they were Syriac perhaps originally from southern Iran (Ahwaz)however they were not Persian because they never wrote in Persian they only wrote in Arabic and Syriac (from wikipedia), also i added one source in one of these articles (Bakhtishu)and i'll try to find more sources later if you can do these changes that would be great--Aziz1005 00:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think they were Christian Persians, I'll look it up further tomorrow and make appropriate changes. But you don't have to write in Persian to be Persian, many Persians wrote in Arabic, Turkic , Greek and even Syriac. Cheers. --Mardavich 00:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

Hi. I added you to list of parties to an arbitration case initiated by Dmcdevit. Please make a statement at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan concerning the conflict with the other parties listed. Thanks. Grandmaster 17:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)