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From VFD (5 votes to delete, 4 votes to keep, 2 votes to redirect):
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*]. Three paragraphs about this kid, one about a car accident and two about a marijuana arrest. If this is all we can come up with, then delete. It seems to me like it's more an attempt at smearing his father. ] 04:28, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date = December 21, 2003
**Don't you have privacy laws in the US? Gore 3 is a private citizen and his misdemeanors are not the public's business. ] 06:07, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result = '''No consensus'''
**Not that I know of: in fact we have freedom of speech and freedom of information laws stating the exact opposite. Since he appeared in open court, the information is a matter of public record. That said, I make no vote on whether this article should appear, but if not, it should be based on Misplaced Pages deciding he is not worthy of an article, not based on privacy concerns, since what he did was fully public. --] 06:19, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
|page = Al Gore III
**Do we have articles on Bush's daughters who I believe have also been in court on minor charges? ] 06:35, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date2 = July 25, 2006
***We do. ]. ] 06:38, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result2 = '''No consensus'''
****Well I would delete that article as well. I am opposed to having articles on private citizens whose only source of interest is that they have the misfortune to be related to someone famous, and particularly the children of the famous. This is just voyeurism and serves no legitimate purpose. ] 06:45, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|page2 = Al Gore III (2nd nomination)
*****I'm not voting either to keep or delete, but to answer Adam. The only possible legitimate purpose I can see is as a test of the hypocrisy of the parents. These are people who advocate draconian punishments for using harmless drugs that ruin far more lives than the drugs themselves. If Gore or Bush were to advocate the same punishments for their children that they advocate for our children, I would vote to delete. ] 10:40, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date3 = September 8, 2006
**The place to say that is under Bush article, as in "Bush advocated the death penalty for littering, but when his daughter was arrested for littering he made excuses for her," (or whatever). It doesn't mean that the daughter deserves an article to catalogue her misdemeanors. ] 09:16, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result3 = '''Keep'''
**KEEP. We also have ]. Many wikipedia biographies are on non-government officials. I don't see a reason to delete, <s>but I'm not in full support of keeping</s>. --]] 09:30, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|page3 = Al Gore III (3rd nomination)
**Keep. He is historically significant because of the 1992 Dem. Convention, which I added. I changed the article to remove the arrest record, which is of dubious historic importance. ] 09:38, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
|date4 = September 22, 2006
**Chelsea Clinton is a public person in her own right and by her own choice. I am not aware that Gore III or the Bush daughters have done anything in their own right. Besides which Chelsea doesn't have any misdemeanors that I am aware of, so an article on her isn't just a vehicle for attacking her father, as Mcarling admits he sees the Bush daughters article as being. And what did Gore III do at the 1992 Convention, when he would have been ten years old? ] 09:42, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result4 = '''Speedy keep'''
** Redirect. It's interesting that his accident affected the Democratic primaries, but that's more about Al Jr. than Al III. I've merged it into ] and I vote to make this a redirect to ] (note that ] deprecates "merge and delete"). ] 16:35, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|page4 = Al Gore III (4th nomination)
**Move relevant into into ] but keep as redir. Could become an article if he ever does something meaningful besides smoking pot.]
|date5 = October 1, 2006
*** The classic Misplaced Pages double standard the private life of a child of a former Dem US Vice President one time perhaps future presidential candidate not worthy but of course it worthy for the current US Gop president. This group sure make sense.
|result5 = '''Keep'''
**** Where do you gather that from (the double standard)? ] 19:24, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|page5 = Al Gore III (5th nomination)
***** I'm not the individual who posted about the double standard, however if you look at page history someone removed all negative content from the Gore child article while similar content is still the focus of the Bush child article. ] 21:09, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date6 = October 4, 2006
**** If you don't think this group makes sense, perhaps you should leave it to those of us who think it does. I note you are using the 64.12.97.6 IP address. Might you perhaps be the same person who vandalized ] and ]? Might you now be trying to generate strife? As for your so-called double standard, the children of a sitting president are more notable than the child of a former vice-president, and there is more material in the Bush article than there ever was in the Gore one. ] 00:26, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result6 = '''Endorse keep'''
** Delete both the Gore III and Bush twins articles. I don't see why it's a big deal, or even newsworthy, that Gore's son was arrested for marijuana, and I don't think we should focus on the misdemeanors of Bush's daughters if we want to attack him, we should focus on his incompetence as President. ] 21:27, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|link6 = https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2006_October_4&diff=80424771
**You're thinking too much. The article is not intended as an attack, only a statement of what we know. What you think is newsworthy is your mere opinion. What the media thinks is fact. Due the the media, this individual and the Bush daughters are not obsucre people like the 9/11 victims, and therefore deserve enclyclopedia articles. --]] 21:57, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date7 = February 20, 2007
** Delete, agree with Adam. ] 16:55, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|result7 = '''Keep'''
** Keep. ] 18:01, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|page7 = Al Gore III (6th nomination)
** Delete. I also agree with Adam ] 18:17, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
|date8 = July 10, 2007
** Keep. AG3 is, for better or worse, a well-known person. His activities (and the Bush daghters', and Chelsea's) are noteworthy. This is an encyclopedia of facts and events. Let's record them. ]
|result8 = '''No consensus'''
|page8 = Al Gore III and Noelle Bush
|date9 = February 20, 2007
|result9 = '''Delete'''
|page9 = Al Gore III (8th nomination)
|date10 = October 25, 2010
|result10 = '''Endorse delete'''
|page10 = WP:Deletion review/Log/2010 October 25#Al Gore III
|collapse = yes
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Could someone remove the template of the page? It appears at ] ]<sup>]</sup> <sup>]</sup> 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
:It didn't seem to be in the category that you mentioned. Anyway I have now moved it to ]. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 09:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


== Confusing redirect ==
== drunk driving and drugs -- who cares? ==
Reading the ], it seems that "Al Gore III" is not the same person as "Albert Arnold "Al" Gore" Jr, 45th Vice President of the United States. Can someone with edit rights change the redirect to ] so that this redirect at least gives a hint to avoid that confusion?
] (]) 22:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure why we have this redirect at all, but I've made the sensible change you suggested. &nbsp; <b>]&nbsp; ]&nbsp; </b> 23:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


== Protected edit request on 19 September 2014 ==
Gore III was only a public figure as a child. The specifics of his adult behavors are inconsequential.


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:It seems ridiculous to remove the only thing he is known for lately, which has been his illegal behaviour. ]] 08:15, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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:: Maybe before you simply revert - you should ''read'' what you're reverting back to. You made the article worse. In the time it took you to revert and post a talk comment here, you at least could have edited out the POV. ] 08:51, Jan 2, 2004 (UTC)


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::You're right I should have been more careful and checked the contributions of ]. You could have made the NPOV changes instead of removing all of the information. ]] 08:55, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)


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:::If someone who is notable enough to be on Misplaced Pages, i.e. a public figure, has been arrested, it is not POV to post it. If someone has been arrested it is simply part of their past.


...so that the redirect is is put into the category via a tranclusion in an Rcat template rather than a category transclusion? Also, can the section target be changed to ] (the current section redirect doesn't exist), as well as adding an {{Tl|R to section}} category tag? Thanks! ] (]) 07:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
== why is this article here again? ==
:I assume you meant ]? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>(]&nbsp;·&nbsp;])</small> 08:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Looking over the old VFD debate above, I find the keep votes unconvincing. The other children of political figures mentioned (Chelsea Clinton, Bush's daughters) are public figures -- they've given interviews, made public statements, etc. Has Gore III ever even answered a reporter's question? While it makes sense to me that a politician's son or daughter would be a lot more ''likely'' to warrant an encyclopedia article, I don't think it's automatic. His father has talked about him in public, but it seems to me that that information is more appropriate on his father's article (where it already is, of course). --] 23:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

: Look people, this is an ''encyclopedia'', not a book. It is a resource to anyone who wants to know about ''anything.'' I have used it for serious research, gossip, and everything in between. Why anyone would want to remove an article on the children of a major U.S. political figure is beyond me. They (these offspring), granted, made no specific choice to enter the public eye. But enter it they did, whether or not through their own will. The alternative involves WK in censorship of one kind or another. I know which way I would vote. Get over it. ] 22:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC) ]

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{{editprotected}} Could someone remove the template of the page? It appears at Category:Misplaced Pages pages with incorrect protection templates Tbhotch 01:15, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

It didn't seem to be in the category that you mentioned. Anyway I have now moved it to Category:Protected redirects. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Confusing redirect

Reading the deletion discussion, it seems that "Al Gore III" is not the same person as "Albert Arnold "Al" Gore" Jr, 45th Vice President of the United States. Can someone with edit rights change the redirect to Al_Gore_III#Marriage_and_family so that this redirect at least gives a hint to avoid that confusion? Diego Moya (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure why we have this redirect at all, but I've made the sensible change you suggested.   Will Beback  talk  23:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 19 September 2014

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...so that the redirect is is put into the category via a tranclusion in an Rcat template rather than a category transclusion? Also, can the section target be changed to Al Gore#Marriage and family (the current section redirect doesn't exist), as well as adding an {{R to section}} category tag? Thanks! Steel1943 (talk) 07:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I assume you meant Al Gore#Personal life? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)