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Thanks for creating the above article, I think it inspired C-w-l to create articles on the rest of the "Monty Python asteroids". Quite the nice set we've got now! Have a great day, — riana_dzasta • t • c • e • 08:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

About the Vancouver College Article

Wow! Thanks for contributing to the VC article! I go to VC, and I'd like to say what a great job you've done. You wrote some stuff that even I never knew about VC! Again, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.43.200 (talk • contribs)

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Signature thanks

Thanks for fixing my mistake with my signature. -- Jeff3000 00:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem - I've forgotten before, and I always appreciated it when someone did the same for me. --Ckatz_spy 00:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

np . Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 09:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Title

I think "of the" is supposed to be lower case - I don't mind either though, The 4400 epsiode is "of the" according to USANetwork.com not sure about Buffy though. Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 09:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

7 Minutes to Midnight Edit

Thanks for the edit. I wasn't sure the best way to word that and not take out the other guy's Gattaca movie trivia. I like your rewording. Thanks!

RE: Beyond Jericho update advice

Just wanted to say thanks for the feedback on how to address the info I've gotten on the fate of Beyond Jericho. Your input was, above all else, given in a positive, professional and above all else *adult* manner. That's how an RFI over Misplaced Pages policy should be handled, and there are those who could use that as a lesson on how to conduct such affairs. 66.90.151.114 05:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! I appreciate the note, and the BSG information as well. Cheers! --Ckatz_spy 23:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. Are you planning on using the info in the Pegasus article, or should I bother to add it myself, as it's obviously *not* "fancruft"? Sixty Six 06:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Moons of Earth, Mars and the Asteroids

Hi Ckatz,

(rework to have three columns)

Is it possible to specify/enlarge the widths of these columns?  At present, "Binary asteroids · List of asteroid moons" is undergoing wraparound here, even though there's plenty of space (imagery intended). Otherwise this formatting seems a good idea. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 23:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
PS I'm reminded that I forgot to thank you for your generous comment re the Table of planets and dwarf planets in the Solar System. Thank you!

Hmm... you're right, that does need a tweak. The coding is a little different than what I'm used to, so I'll try to read up on it and see if it can be adjusted. Nice job, once again, for reformatting and creating the new look. --Ckatz_spy 23:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hollywood North

Do not add off-topic information. Please find the appropriate article such as Cinema of Canada or Cinema of the United States. The topic of the article Hollywood North does not have anything to do with the politics between the United States and Canada. The article Hollywood North very specifically talks about the nickname and Vancouver-Toronto's rise to be known as Hollywood North. If you wanted to talk about tax concessions that made it possible then do so, but opinion articles that are off-topic are highly unencyclopedic especially when the thesis and topic sentences do not even come close to mentioning what US-Canada relations. Furthermore your changes back to the original wordings could be considered vandalism for you reverted grammatical corrections to an inferior and grammatically incorrect version. For example you reverted to this, "The growth of the Canadian entertainment industry is due in part to an increasing trend to produce American films and television series outside of the United States. These "runaway productions", a U.S. entertainment industry term meaning film and television projects that are produced outside of the United States, have become a source of concern in the film industry in the United States." Its a textbook run on sentence with too many topics and inadequate as a topic sentence. Furthermore it misuses its comas to divide side ideas and information. 01:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... I think that you're looking at TWO sentences. If you'd like to critique, by all means go ahead - but I want to double-check to see if you've misread this particular example. --Ckatz_spy 01:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Langara College 01:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I wil certainly participate in an RfM, if need be, but be advised that I do not take kindly to your actions in this matter. Without any pause for discussion whatsoever, you jumped into the fray and began leaving "WARNING" messages on my page and on those of other users. This is not the appropriate manner in which to achieve consensus, and I think that an RfM would indeed highlight that fact. --Ckatz_spy 01:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

So be it. I do not take kindly to vandals either. I'm trying to prevent an edit war, if you're so against it, then its optional for you to part-take. Langara College 01:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, your first reaction is to toss around accusations. If you wish to claim that I am "vandalizing", please provide concrete examples. If not, then don't make insinuations that are groundless. --Ckatz_spy 02:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I understand and accept what you're saying; but I don't accept Duhon's pretense that he was "rv vandalism" when he deleted my post; I don't expect you to agree with my position on the issues regarding this case, but I do know you're an experienced and level-headed Wikipedian (despite my intense language, I'm increasingly level-headed....really!) and that's why I spotted what you spotted; I might have missed it and I think Langara College deliberately ignored it. Paranoia? I dunno - given L.C.'s comments about not liking vandalism so much, it's amazing to me that they/he/she didn't look at the "rv vandalism" to see what it was and realize that it was a bunk edit comment with an "attack delete"; silencing me is not a nice thing to do; and I'm a Scorpio with planets in all the wrong places (just ask EB........). Given that it's Duhon and Langara College that want the CFM, but both of their behaviours have been questionable, and now this Brodey character's come along to redefine what the article is supposed to be about, i.e. what Hollywood North is supposed to mean, rather than what it is. As I said, this reminds me of the expansion of the Hongcouver article into a general thing on the Asiafication of Vancouver, which should be a different article. Same thing here: TV production in Canada, Cinema of Canada, fine; but the "Hollywood North phenomenon" should not be written up based on the promotional hype of the TO Film Commission and its media armies...Skookum1 05:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Believe me, I'd rather be fussing with my mountain and history and bio and ship and First Nations articles than having to fuss with this; but once I know something's been put wrong, I have to see it put right. It's another part of that Scorpio thing; we don't sacrifice truth easily, and we don't compromise well even when we'd like to (my moon's in Taurus, which makes my stubbornness even worse). This one's partly near and dear to me because I know a lot of people in the industry, in various capacities, and also back in '89 worked on a start-up rag that didn't go anywhere called Role-Call (I was Chief Ed., actually) which lasted maybe two issues before somebody's, er, nasal congestion problem got the better of his budget, and bankrupted his backe/g'friend; the Hollywood North thing was new then, and some were caught up with stars in their eyes, or more regarding it as a gold rush (esp. my publisher), but for the industry it was an expression of a growing reality; the tranplantation of productions to Vancovuer through out-sourcing; we'd been a centre of TV and radio advertising spots since the early '70s (second only to Madison Avenue) and still are; expanding into feature film and TV series was the new thing; but it was a business thing, not a glamour-and-glitz and "aren't we great" campaign like TO is engaging in, and we don't go looking for cool catchphrases to coopt from other cities to promote our own city with.... People from Vancouver, in order to become stars, have to go somewhere else to be able to be seen as one here; not so with people from Toronto or L.A. (although people from TO who don't go to L.A. are only stars in Toronto, or so the rest of us are told.....).Skookum1 06:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Calvin and Hobbes

Hi, Ckatz. In reverting my recent edit of Calvin and Hobbes, you said: rv. change to past tense (as per WP style guide - C&H should be "IS". It "WAS" produced during a certain period, but it "IS" a daily comic strip unless the strips no longer exist.) Can you direct me to the part of the style guide that addresses this issue? I searched through it and couldn't find anything about verb tenses. Thanks for your help. Oh, and I'd appreciate it if you would answer here -- I think it's much better when these conversations happen in one place, so that third parties can follow them easily. Pat Berry 04:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello... no problem replying here. As for the return to "is", it's based on parts of the style guide, examples of other articles, and related discussions. I'll give you what links I can off the top of my head, and try to add to the list as I find more examples. (Unfortunately, there's nothing concrete in the Style Guide that spells out a guideline, as I discovered while trying to find an answer to a related topic a few months back.) Generally speaking, writing about fiction is to be done in what the MoS calls the "perpetual present tense". Beyond that, an unwritten but oft-repeated convention seems to be that a work of fiction still exists, regardless of whether or not it is out of production. That is to say, Casablanca still "is" a film, Firefly and M*A*S*H still "are" television series; and Calvin and Hobbes and Peanuts still "are" comics. They don't cease to be films, TV shows, or comics just because there is no new product. However, we would then switch to past tense to describe the production dates (i.e. "Peanuts is a syndicated daily and Sunday comic strip written and illustrated by Charles M. Schulz, which ran from 2 October 1950, to 13 February 2000..."). Here's a related discussion at the Television project. I tend to agree with the idea of "is", despite the potential for grammatical clunkiness, but either way I'd like to see some sort of guideline emerge as it would help a lot in clarifying one aspect of the project's style. Please let me know what you think of this, and I can incorporate it into some sort of push for a discussion about establishing a guideline. Thanks. --Ckatz_spy 07:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I read the "Check your fiction" guideline, and I think it makes sense -- but not in this context. The guideline is about the verb tense to use when describing the events that occur within the story. All of the examples in the guideline are statements about what the characters do or what happens to them within the fictional world. That's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing the verb tense to be used when talking about the real world in which the work of fiction exists. So I don't think the "perpetual present tense" applies.

I changed "is" to "was" in the Calvin and Hobbes article because that's the tense used in other Misplaced Pages articles about defunct comic strips (those that are no longer being published in newspapers). Peanuts isn't a good example of this category because it is still being reprinted in newspapers, so it exists in a kind of gray area. I looked at the article for every defunct comic strip I could think of: The Far Side, Li'l Abner, Smokey Stover, Terry and the Pirates, and Lance. Every one of them uses "was", not "is", in its first sentence.

The Was vs. Is discussion you cited is interesting, but I don't think it is consistent with current Misplaced Pages practice. I looked at the articles for a bunch of defunct TV shows (no longer in production) and magazines (no longer published), and very few of them use "is" in the first sentence. I'll be happy to supply examples if you like.

I don't mean to be argumentative about this -- if the Misplaced Pages community reaches a consensus that "is" should replace "was" in this context, I will comply. But I don't think this has happened, and my unscientific survey of the way Misplaced Pages articles are currently written leads me to believe that the consensus favors "was". Pat Berry 15:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the userpage revert (although it made me look way more impressive than I am ;) ). -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 19:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Ckatz, it was very thoughtful of you to create an edit-count userbox with a comma in response to my moaning. I've checked it out and it works just fine. I think people will appreciate having the choice. Thank you. :-) SlimVirgin 18:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sklocke

Ckatz, I'm for the investigation into user Sklocke's activities. If I can help let me know. He has as you say done some "strange edits" on my user and talk page. I'm more concerned of the vandalism he might be doing to the rest of Misplaced Pages. I wasn't aware of how to report Sklocke so I'm glad that you have.-BiancaOfHell 20:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Solar System interactive template

The new ineractive image looks great -- I especially liked the touch of having the asteroid belt on both sides of Ceres (and likewise for Pluto and the Kuiper Belt, Eris and the Scattered Disc). On the large Solar System template, I moved the image to the top, just under the "Solar System" banner -- I hope without breaking anything. I also changed the margins so that there was less of a gap between the edges of the image and the edges of the box; unfortunately, I wasn't able to make them match exactly. RandomCritic 20:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yellowsnow - what to do?

He's clearly beyond the pale of Wikiquette, farther than nearly anything I've seen, what with this AFD thing and the claim that you and Mkdw "blanked" the talkpage and so on; see my latest on User talk:Mkdw which ironically enough I posted just before he began his latest onslaught; the US edition of Entertainment Tonight used H.N. tonight - to refer to Sundance, without mentioning the Canadian context at that festival, which of course the Canadian edition which follows it did...but I could only chuckle because the Hollywood machine behind Entertainment Tonight, or that show's writers anyway, seem to use the term to mean anywhere in the cold; not even north of the border...anyway, seems to me that Yellowsnow needs a big spanking; but which area of WP:AN/I is the right one to use?Skookum1 04:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Was that a "camouflage section-title" on my talkpage or what? Or did you accidentally copy-paste something into the subject line? As for the situation, it's too clear that these are "attack edits" and hostile to the existence of the concept, never mind the article. I was hostile to the way the Hongcouver article got bloated, and I do have my reservations about the varying interpretation treatment of the notion of Hollywood North, but since it's come into use to mean the industry, by way of volume and even Toronto's particular taste in using it, it's a different situation than Hongcouver, where the term was used to write something that was a Vancouver variation of the Chinese immigration to Canada article (if so, it should have been titled as such). In Hollywood North's case, whether Yellowsnow likes it or not, it IS a term that's in wide usage, even if not (in his mind) the American entertainment industry (there's twenty people I could get on the phone tomorrow who would laugh at his line of argument; one, my former acting teacher and previously my agent, worked for Merv Griffin for a number of years; oh, and Larry Flynt...and she's just a hometown girl from Hazelton...I know what she'd say: it doesn't matter what this yellowsnow person thinks or wants, the fact is that thosands of people use and/or know this term, and nobody has a right to tell them not to; especially since it's often Americans who are using it - I know, because of the number of film sets I've been on and the number of yanquitos I know who've used it in my presence; for them it's a fascination, almost an allure; but as I've noted elsewhere in Vancouver it means the working environment; in Toronto it means the glamour machine. Whether anti-runaway production people don't like it is beside the point; the term exists, and is widespread in print and in media - including American media, if not Variety, which surprises me but "Great White North" is a pervasive cliche about Canada in general - it's not a reference to the film industry here, it's a reference to the whole country...that was, of course, coined by a Canadian (Mike Myers). Whatever; I don't think a mediation is what's needed here; I think Yellowsnow is FAR out of line with his behaviour, not just on the talkpage but also with his hostile edits to the page overall, and over a period of time. Myself, I think he should be blocked....(it might be a "she" but somehow I don't think so....).Skookum1 08:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Obviously Entertainment Tonight (an American-based and produced television show) is referring, very much tongue-in-cheek, to Sundance as "Hollywood North" (quotes). Sundance, as you may not know, is located in the United States. Again, use of a protologism especially by a flippant fluffy show does not mean that there is an actual place called "Hollywood North," and it doesn't have any context to the Canadian film industry in this example whatsoever. You might as well be arguing about Santa's Village at the North Pole. "Hollywood North" simply doesn't exist. You guys can't even agree on what it means, which is proof that it doesn't support Misplaced Pages's inclusion criteria. And when you just blatantly erase my changes you are not being "neutral" as you have tried to claim to be, BTW. - Donteatyellowsnow 01:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

You still have not given PROOF that "Hollywood North" exists nor even "what" it is. What you have said basically confirms the fact that this is not a widely know nor widely understood nor remotely widely-agreed upon term. This is something you and "twenty of your friends" use. It therefore doesn't belong on Misplaced Pages -- a site for the whole world. I suggest that you change the name of this page from "Hollywood North" to "The Canadian Film Industry". You wouldn't have as many problems then; unless you are using it exclusively to push various Canadian film commissions' advertisements which is also against Misplaced Pages rules. Because there is no written proof of the existence of a place called "Hollywood North" anymore than there is proof of a "Bermuda triangle", I suggest that you guys refer to Vancouver as... surprise... Vancouver. That you continue to refer to Toronto as, gulp, Toronto! Again, taking the Hollywood name and misappropriating it in a backhanded attempt in order to promote the Canadian film industry is EXACTLY the definition of protologism -- both advertisement and wish-fulfillment. Also this article is full of citations that have nothing to do with the context of the statements being made (particularly about Toronto being referred to as "Hollywood North" when the cited sources saying nothing of the sort). You can try to get me banned as you have repeatedly threatened; but I believe that would be fruitless. Note: I have not threatened you nor made personal attacks on any of you as you have repeatedly done to me. I have not put graffiti nor threats on your talk pages as you have done on mine. I have followed Wiki criteria and have edited appropriately and will continue to do so, despite your threats and lack of neutrality or your lack of objectivity on the subject. Reminder: no one here has allowed almost anything I've edited to remain on this page. So... you guys be the judge. Who is being neutral and who is blanking the other person's edits? - Donteatyellowsnow

If you review the edit history at both Runaway production and Hollywood North, you'll see that I'm not just "blatantly reverting" you - I am making a concerted effort to incorporate your points into the text. However, that does not extend to just leaving every single word you wrote intact, as much of your material requires a major overhaul to suit an encyclopedia article. Examples include:

though proclaiming that unilaterally in an effort to promote his city doesn't make it true

and

"Hollywood North" is not clearly understood as to what exactly it is; but it is clearly not to be confused with the actual cities or long-time film communities of Hollywood, California or North Hollywood, California. "Hollywood North" the protologism does own its name however, to Hollywood, California, the most notable film centre in the world.

The goal is to provide a "neutral" article - that means that any inaccuracies on the Canadian side should be corrected, but it also means that you can't just rewrite the text to push the American industry point of view. It is also appropriate to discuss major overhauls of an article on the talk page first, especially when there is an ongoing dispute over content. --Ckatz_spy 02:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And - once again - I would ask that you avoid making misleading accusations about anyone who disagrees with you. In this case, your messages imply that "I" have threatened to have you banned, or that I have put graffiti and threats on your talk page, and several other comments. I HAVE DONE NO SUCH THING, and any examination of the history of our interactions will reveal just that. (In fact, I have NEVER left a message on your talk page. Why? Becuase you tend to delete comments from it, so it is easier and more reliable to interact with you on the article talk page.) Please be civil, at least. --Ckatz_spy 02:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And just to note, there's a big difference between warning someone about the probability of a block if their uncivil behaviour and anti-encyclopedic edits continue, and threatening to have someone "banned". There's also a BIG difference between a disciplinary block, and a "ban", which is much more severe. But such misrepresentations are stock-in-trade from DEYS, and it's rather cute of him to complain about someone vandalizing his webpage (which I myself make a point of avoiding visiting altogether) given his own very-many vandalisms of both the HN article and its talkpage....Skookum1 03:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

"twenty of your friends" is more like "twenty million of your friends", but again untrue hyperbole is something of a trademark of DYES' style. Even a google search turns up usages on American-based websites, but even if it didn't, the fact is that the term is common in Canadian English and Canadian culture, whether DYES likes it or not; as such, it's of encyclopedic interest. Whether or not if offends "Hollywood" loyalists. Period.Skookum1 03:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Heroes

I'd settle for "area,"—as in the front page, talk, history, etc.—but the point is to avoid exclusiionary terms. The template may be added to categories, images, etc. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Runaway Productions

While D. W. Griffith is perhaps the most important and notable early film maker of all-time, the word legendary pertains of legend. You will find that almost no encyclopedia will refer to a person as legendary unless specific context such as Pegasus, a legendary horse. They will use notable, important, influencial, famous, etc. but legendary in my experience has very hard referencing problems. Some circumstancial cases I've come across have been Babe Ruth but the article itself will not quote itself as calling him legendary, but rather "he was considered a legend" etc. by other sources. I won't revert your edits, but you may want to consider it. As for the AfD for Hollywood North and other related articles, I just want to see a good collection of information assembled, but these days its seems difficult. =) Mkdw 08:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I swapped in "notable", but it didn't read quite right in this context - so I've removed it altogether. What do you think of "pioneering"? --Ckatz_spy 08:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I made a change to the sentence, but I'm not sure if it works. What do you think? Mkdw 08:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words concerning my edits. I don't know that I can provide much in the way of advice, but will certainly pass on anything that comes to mind. Victoriagirl 07:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Canadian pioneers in early Hollywood

Yeah, I thought it was an interesting link, too, which is why when I found it at Cinema of Canada it obviously belonged, especially in the context of the Canadian role in Hollwood-as-Hollywood, and also the old ties between the Canadian entertainment/talent pool and the American one; I see Mkdw mentioned D.W. Griffith while I was writing this (edit conflict) but the name that came to mind from my end was Mary Pickford..... I was actually hoping to find a List of Canadians in American entertainment and media, which would be an interesting and somewhat provocative list - e.g. in publishing Lewis Lapham of Harper's, also whomever that re-founded Vanity Fair, and also the guys from National Lampoon, and and and etc; then there's Peter Kent et al in news reportage - especially when the contemporary onslaught of Canadian actors, directors, writers and other talent in "American film" (increasingly a misnomer, as this year's Oscar nominations remind us that "national" cinema is increasingly multinational in scope and content); whether they're naturalized or still paper-carrying Canucks; maybe the real resentment is that we've invaded them and have in fact somewhat taken over ;=) That Pamela Anderson can write a letter to the Prez complaining about Col. Sanders on a stamp, and exhorting the release of another Elvis one instead, says something all by itself; entertainment people have no nation; the stage/lens is their nation, as with all guilds/professions. I'd go with reducing the lists of productions in TO vs Vancouver, though, down to main article templates, except for maybe HN-defining productions such as X-Files and Stargate (in Vancouver) and maybe (?) Relic Hunter and other American-market productions in TO; but to be fair then also Calgary, Halifax, Winnipeg and Montreal productions should all get coverage as well; so I'd agree with the guy on the AFD who said the Vancouver list is overblown and erratic; so's the TO list (My Big Fat Greek Wedding, for instance, was from a Winnipegger and largely short there, post-production I guess was in TO; likewise Quest for Fire, where a lot of the locations were in the West but maybe the production offices were in TO (?). Anyway, I knew the AFD would backfire on our friend, rather spectactularly; he's obviously not an actor or he wouldn't have parroted his own lines in the IP-address persona '-). BTW while I understood why you took out the Silicon Valley North link (and it's equally applicable to Greater Seattle + the Evergreen Corridor incl. Portland) when I saw it before I "read" it as another example of the transposition of the image/guise of an American milieu given a "North" label; there are other examples but I'd have to scratch my head to think of one. I'd venture that IP address, as noted in my comment on the AFD, is from a corporate infranet; it might be "interesting" to find out which corporation, in fact....Skookum1 08:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And re the idea of a List of Canadians in American entertainment and media, I did manage to find Canadian-American, which currently has a POV template; but maybe a List of Canadian-Americans might be kind of fun....Skookum1 08:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Jericho characters

Dude, the only reason they are listed a main charachters is because that is what the Jerichowiki page says on cbs.com. Also they all have pictures and Depty Bill and Jimmy have maine articles that I wrote

Again, check the show's page at CBS.com. That is the list of characters - 12 in total, not including any of the ones you added. The fact that you created an article about a character on a TV show does not make him or her a "main" character, it just means that there is an article. You can still link to your article from the entry in the "minor" characters section. --Ckatz_spy 20:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

On the JerichoWIki page on cbs, Jonah, Gracie, and Mimi are listed as main characters. As far as april green, she is a very important roll. I see where you are coming from with Mary. As as for The Deputies article, they have main articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwk14724 (talk • contribs)

Once again, it does not matter if you, or I, or a TV reviewer, or anyone else thinks a particular role is "important". The show's producers and the network decide who the "stars" are, and who gets promoted as such, in conjunction with union agreements. The Jericho "Wiki" is not the same as the official site, and - even if it was - the deputies are listed under "supporting characters". I could write an article about the guy who died from radiation poisoning (just as you did for the two deputies) but it still wouldn't make him a main character. I'm going to restore the list to what it should be based on the official CBS website, as your own examples prove that the changes you've made do not reflect the actual character list. Please take your concerns to the article talk page if you wish to seek a change, rather than just changing the article over and over again. Thanks. --Ckatz_spy 20:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you've linked here from the edit summary, please note that the discussion has been relocated to Talk:List of Jericho characters#Main vs. minor characters to allow for wider input. Thank you.

Thanks and what to do?

Hi Ckatz,

Thanks for letting me know about the external linking; I am quite new to Misplaced Pages, though I did quite a lot of contributions in the Dutch Misplaced Pages. I do think that the wiki.worldflicks pages are an interesting contribution to the big city articles; It differs from other kind of google maps applications 'cause it filters and select the best photos to be shown, giving a good vision of what the city looks like from 'groundlevel'.

Do you agree with this? and if so, do you know which way to follow to have them linked? RonaldWF 20:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

katz, gawin daw bang chatroom ito?! baka mahuli tayo ng admin ng wiki! hahaha! grabe sis, pg my tym my sasabihin ako sayo. ingatz ka jan!ClashEdRoom 05:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Huang Biren

Why?? Why do you all keep deleting the awards section. Once you delete it, the page would be spoiled! Because one small paragraph about her awards is not enough. People would not be able to see it. So, I'm going to put back the awards section for the page. Please do not delete it anymore.

As for the {{sprotected}}, I put it there because the page was not protected. The page was being vandalised time and again. Not only were the awards section deleted, the nominations section was also deleted!

So I hope you would not delete it. Thank you!

fatty 04:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

If you have a dispute over the "Awards" table, please take it up with Wizardman. The material wasn't deleted, it was incorporated into the body of the article. As for the "semiprotected" tag, your use of it is inappropriate because the action of adding the tag does not actually protect the page. (Note, too, that this is at least the seventh time this template has been improperly applied to the page, including at least three attempts by you.) If you wish to seek protection for the page, you should go through proper channels and file a protection request. --Ckatz_spy 04:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your support

It's been a long haul, and I really do appreciate you and everyone else who stepped in to help. Any ideas for another article you think needs improvement? Serendipodous 10:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to go against you on Pluto and Ceres

Unfortunately the little blighter who made the edits did back it up on Pluto. I looked into the matter add it was quite clear and correct. I also made the appropriate rvt to Ceres. Normally we are in synch with each other on these matters, so hence why it pained me to go against you on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abyssoft (talk • contribs) 16:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Colonization of Pluto

What needs citation, I assure you all on that page can be found at a website please tell me what it is.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Post Falls Man (talk • contribs) 01:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

I see now thank you, I will put in the Refrences :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Post Falls Man (talk • contribs) 19:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

hey, thanks

Got your note - thanks very much! Now, how do I edit my monobook? This is an area I have not ventured into since I've been here.... Tvoz | talk 03:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC) (Meaning, I have not a clue.... I've seen "monobook" but I don't what it is, what it does, what I want from it, or much of anything to do with it!)Tvoz | talk 03:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

trivially easy to do, and awesome! thanks so much! They absolutely should incorporate this into the watchlist Tvoz | talk 03:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The Rugby move

Yeah...*sigh*...I'm familiar with that exchange; Toronto is actually on my watchlist, after the proposed move from the Time Police. I read both tirades at the time, and my spell checker had a nervous breakdown. I've witnessed what passes for logic on various other move requests...like Yoghurt and Florian Gate -- or whatever they are called at the moment. Cheers. --SigPig | 09:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

FAC discussion for Solar System

What do you think of where the discussion is going? Should I be taking Idiogram's ideas on board, or should I leave things be? He's suggesting some pretty radical revisions and judging from your recent reverts I can't imagine you'd agree with them. I'm asking you because I am considering shifting the Extrasolar systems and Discovery and exploration sections off the article, and I wanted to clear it first. Serendipodous 18:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Hollywood/Runaway

I noticed you addressed the message to User:Langara College as well. I took the liberty of informing him since you only posted the message on User talk:Mkdw. I honestly have no patience for vandals and Donteatyellow has now proven that. Biased trolling is another form of vandalism on Misplaced Pages and its amazed me so far that no one has even mentioned it except for on Hollywood North's AfD. We all spend a considerable amount of time on Misplaced Pages and this one user continously works against the contributions of many by changing articles opinions and adding unreferenced facts that are false. He's also been noted for several personal attacks, and as you know Misplaced Pages has no tolerance for comments as such. He broke WP:CIVIL and I personally don't think there is reasoning nor justification to try and live with this situation. Passive abuse is something than can be dealth with by due process of policy set forth by Misplaced Pages rather than go to pain-staking lengths to co-exist with someone who has no interest to do the same. As for User:Langara College his comments may have been strong, but you'll notice his message was {{Comment4}} which is a standard warning for continous NPOV vandalism. If you are unfamiliar with warning templates, their use, and warning orders you can read more at WP:NPOV. Basically users who patrol vandalism are allowed to post warnings and its required if vandalism is reverted by that user. Various levels of warning templates are made available to users as level or number of vandalisms increase per user. {{Comment4}} is a high level warning for NPOV vandalism. While admins are the only 'true' judges to pass sentences on Misplaced Pages, users are greatly important to controlling vandalism. It is not uncommon for users to post the highest level of warnings provided for them to users who are at the edge of their warnings. Remember, warnings are different than threats. Mkdw 22:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I actually stumbled upon an LA paper which was critical of the DGA Almost everything there comes from advocacy groups. And I found out today that most of the rest is used in a problematic way. I made a few edits but only got a about halfway through the article. And that's just sourcing, before we get to the NPOV problems. The funny thing is that the subsidies are only part of the problem for the advocacy groups like DGA, FTAC and CEIDR. Somehow Misplaced Pages has managed to have an article that is more extreme than the Hollywood groups. It is really incredible. --JGGardiner 01:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For your insighfull edit summaries, I proudly award you this barnstar. --Qyd 16:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

External Links

Thanks for the heads up! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luxborealis (talk • contribs) 11:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

• Thanks helpin' to clean up the spam external links. --MaNeMeBasat 11:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Red FM India

Hi!

Kindly refresh ur information Red FM is not owned by NDTV, this FM station is a owned by TV Today Network. This is a popular group of India which has a 24 Hours News Channel AAJ TAK. Kittu 12:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You might wish to read the following news items (NDTV, Astro, Value Labs to buy out Red FM and Radio Today in talks to dilute 20 per cent to foreign strategic investor), which explain how Red FM was sold to a consortium of NDTV, Value Labs, and Astro in 2006. --Ckatz_spy 20:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

You have a new message :)

Hi friend,

I am responding to your message on my talk page. I somewhat agree with you - and I will change it (no problem), however I wanna show you something. Make sure your anti-virus is up to date. Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Ivan_Kricancic and then click on "You have a new message". Cheers.

PS (Off Topic): I see you are Canadian. By the way, I am proud Bosniak Canadian and I love this country. But some people want to erase us from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bosniak_Canadian Anyways, nobody will erase my Bosniak Canadian identity. Bosniak 07:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

RED FM india

Nice to know u have a huge interst in Indian Radio service but... Red FM is still run by TV Today Network. U can check it on India Today offical website. http://www.india-today.com . check it the below About Us menu. Kittu 09:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've checked that - the radio page gives a "not available" message. Various news items (here's another one) indicate there was a change in ownership as well. --Ckatz_spy 17:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Ceres

Well, Eris does not have miles, although Pluto does. The asteroids do not have miles either. And while I understand your desire for consistency, if it is "right" to include the US/imperial units at all, then it is better to be inconsistent and hope for the later addition to other articles and sections than to remove any additions. In things we should be striving for on Misplaced Pages, consistency should always come behind correctness. _└  / _talk  18:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I see that User:Toddles29 actually added the US/imperial to Eris as well, although he was immediately reverted in that case. One could argue that he was inconsistent in not updating all the statistics to include US/imperial units (while there are subtitles in the infobox, it's all one infobox). _└  / _talk  18:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, Mercury (planet) and Neptune do not have US/imperial units in their orbital characteristics section, and Earth has them on only some characteristics. So it's not really that consistent. _└  / _talk  18:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ckatz

Could you please ensure that I nominated this article for deletion properly and that I placed deletion tag properly. Thank you. Click here to read —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bosniak (talk • contribs) 20:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

User edit templates

Hello - I noticed that you created {{Template:User 45 000e/test}} which allows the user to specify a preference of whether to use commas or simply a blank space. I took a look at the code, and managed to replicate it at {{Template:User 1 000e/test}} after a bit of trial and error! I think implementing this feature into all the edit number templates (with the obvious exception of those under 1,000) would be a great idea, and was wondering if there is any talk page that I should achieve consensus on first, or whether I should just be bold and do it straight away? It'd be great if you could reply on my talk page whenever you've got a minute - knowing me, I'll probably forget I ever brought this up here! Thanks,  H4cksaw  (talk) 13:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought you might also be interested to know that I've removed the non-existent category that appears at the bottom of your test template on my own test version.  H4cksaw  (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Run! vs Run! (Heroes)

Hello, recently you opposed the move of the article Run! (Heroes) to Run!. However, I have recently posted several points that support this move, namely that Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(television)#Episode_articles clearly states: "For an article created about a single episode, add the series name in parentheses only if there are other articles by the same name". Since there is no article at "Run!", per the guidelines, the "(Heroes)" is unnecessary. If you have a chance, I invite you to return to the article's talk page and discuss this further, and perhaps my arguments (and those of others) can convince you to change your opinion. Thanks! -Seinfreak37 15:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Revert to revision $1 dated $2 by $3 using popups

Just FYI: I don't think your reversion popup script is working properly. A number of reverts that you've made since 14-Feb have the edit summary as "Revert to revision $1 dated $2 by $3 using popups". Just thought you'd like to know in case you didn't notice it. Thomas Dzubin _Talk 16:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Alternative views

The views now being described as "Alternative views" at the Srebrenica Massacre article are alternatives to the findings of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. If I suggest that the ICTY is not a validly constituted legal forum would that count as a valid "Alternative view"? --Opbeith 14:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Straw poll on Srebrenica massacre

As a result of persistent edit warring on Srebrenica massacre, I have proposed that a straw poll be taken regarding one of the issues involved—namely, how to title the section currently named "Alternative views". This will help us to determine whether there is a consensus on what to title this section, or at least a consensus on what not to call it. The straw poll can be found at Talk:Srebrenica_massacre#Straw poll on "Alternative views" section. I have posted this announcement to each of the 19 users who have made multiple edits to Srebrenica massacre this year. —Psychonaut 13:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

edit to battlestar galactica

Hi Ckatz - would you take a moment to explain on the Talk:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) why you reverted User:Thethinredline's edit? It is especially important to explain reversions when the reverted edit was clearly done in good faith. Thanks! Debivort 20:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're referring to this edit, I believe that you may have misread the edit history. As my comment ("Undid revision 109341872 by 69.77.132.17 (talk) rm. trivia") states, I only removed some trivia about a mention of BSG on The Office. This is in keeping with Misplaced Pages guidelines on avoiding trivia. Thethinredline's work on the "Theology" section hasn't been altered. --Ckatz_spy 20:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ckatz- you're completely right. I mistook the edit history. Sorry about the mind-lapse. Debivort 21:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. While I find the "Undo" feature to be very useful, especially for removing entrenched vandalism, the default comment can be a bit hard to decipher. With all the text about who is being undone, the what tends to get lost. --Ckatz_spy 21:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Thanks for reverting my talkpage. It's the second time something like this has happened recently (user with no prior contrib history vandalizing my userpage)... strange. Thanks again! -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 06:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Fresh start

Hi! Given that the Srebrenica massacre article seems doomed to get stuck on endless discussion on details (such as the current unproductive discussion on the peripheral issue of what to call Mackenzie et al.) I've proposed a 'Fresh Start', setting out some basic principles which should help us to make some real progress with the article. Unfortunately, so far no one seems willing to support such an initiative. I would much appreciate if you took a look at it and gave some comments. Regards Osli73 10:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Vancouver Intro

I tried to rework the intro (User:Bobanny/Vancouver), but feel I've somewhat lost perspective on the article and know you have an opinion on the subject. Feel free to leave comments or make changes. Also, if you know of any city articles with a killer intro, that might be helpful too. I've looked at some other featured cities, and haven't seen any particularly exceptional intros. Cheers, Bobanny 20:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

My comma

I'm editing faster than you can build templates. ;-D SlimVirgin 06:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :-) I was wondering if you could say on the 50 000 talk page why you're reverting the addition of the comma, as people do seem to want it. I left a message for you there. SlimVirgin 06:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sklocke, Invader Soap, Invader Poonchy

I have a feeling it would be more appropriate to remove this to WP:ANI - this doesn't seem to be run-of-the-mill vandalism. – riana_dzasta 06:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that. I removed the report from AIV. --Woohookitty 06:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

toomuchtrivia template text

I disagree strongly that what you reverted the template to better reflects the guidelines regarding trivia. As currently worded, it's basically a mealy-mouthed mess that says nothing (OK, it says it "requires cleanup", whatever that means). Please explain how this is better than the much clearer text that I put in there, which explicitly pointed out that trivia sections are not wanted, and that the material therein should be put in the article proper or removed. +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Attribution

If you can find a citation please restore it, but please observe an official policy, Misplaced Pages:Attribution, "Although everything in Misplaced Pages must be attributable, in practice not all material is attributed. Editors should provide attribution for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. The burden of evidence lies with the editor wishing to add or retain the material. If an article topic has no reliable sources, Misplaced Pages should not have an article on it." thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Heroes CM

Indeed, no problem. I expect so, there are a few Americans that believe because Misplaced Pages is primarily US based we need to do everything the "American way". Just keep leaving notes, if they don't heed, then to me it is just malicious editing on the part of them. At TV.com they apparently enforce a "American only date rule", even on non-American shows. Anyway yea, I like the term Americaland, don't you :-P? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Doctor Who

More then likely will be a March/early April air date - New Earth was mid-April last year, Rose was early March so I don't think it'll be later (I hope). thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

/me thinks Torchwood is brilliant and wished it was returning sooner. Apparently the Doctor Who magazine slates it for Jan. 2008 (Talk:Torchwood#Series_2_Details), a long wait :-(! thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 08:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Ckatz — we haven't met, but I noticed your comment on Matthew's talk page. The latest scuttlebutt is that the first episode of Doctor Who series 3, "Smith and Jones", will air on March 31. (This is a recent change, due to some sports scheduling, apparently.) Details are here and here. It's gonna be a long month... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 09:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Jelly Belly Award!

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