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Dear Sir/ Madam
Please update the global gross figure list with Ardaas Karaan collections updated to 34 Crore and Chal Mera Putt 32 Crore.
Please read the reliable source below:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2757826457608227&substory_index=0&id=442796479111248&_ft_=mf_story_key.2757826457608227%3Atop_level_post_id.2757826457608227%3Atl_objid.2757826457608227%3Acontent_owner_id_new.442796479111248%3Athrowback_story_fbid.2757826457608227%3Apage_id.442796479111248%3Aphoto_id.2757826457608227%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Apage_insights.%7B%22442796479111248%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A442796479111248%2C%22actor_id%22%3A442796479111248%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntPhotoNodeBasedEdgeStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A22%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1569737439%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntPhotoNodeBasedEdgeStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2757826457608227%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A442796479111248%2C%22page_id%22%3A442796479111248%2C%22post_id%22%3A2757826457608227%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=%2As%2As-R — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjun2726 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- That doesn't look like a reliable source for Misplaced Pages. Ravensfire (talk) 16:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
There should only 40 films in the list instead of 48
Y 117.224.68.252 (talk) 12:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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The movie chhalla mudke ni aaya has collected 37.77 crore worldwide, (13.22 crore in India and 24.55 crore overseas) according to Imdb. 115.64.3.225 (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDb is not a reliable source, as it is user generated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
References
Pakistani Punjabi film
@SunnyKambojLive: - Hi. I hope you're. Quite disappointed to have seen your revert. Is there any reason why Pakistani Punjabi films can't be added to the list? I would understand if the page was called "List of highest grossing Indian Punjabi films", but it doesn't? The page would seem pretty odd, to not mention a film which has been pretty popular. نعم البدل (talk) 15:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- Bro, although the title of the page does not mention the word Indian but the headline of the page does. And, the title does not mention it only because of a small mistake or neglect of the creator of the page. I will try to correct it.
- The only reason to not add Pakistani Panjabi Films is to avoid confusion. Indian Punjabi films are also not mentioned anywhere in the list of Highest grossing Pakistani Panjabi films. Being a Panjabi, we are also proud of the film - The Legend of Maula Jatt ... But adding it here will defy the purpose of the page. Thanks ... And, sorry again. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry? What? You've just changed the title to suit YOUR preference, without discussing this? That is appalling.
- I don't understand why Pakistani films can't be included - Punjabi is spoken in Pakistan as well and more than in India. There is a separate page for Indian grossing films - List of highest-grossing Indian films. This is List of highest-grossing Punjabi films. Punjabi is a language, spoken by 80 million Pakistanis. It is not just an Indian language. The Legend of Maula Jatt is on track to become the highest grossing Punjabi film - and you wish to exclude it?
- There is no creator of the page, we are all contributors here - so I don't understand why you've set this precedence that only Indian films can be mentioned, and then not only that - but have created a separate section for grossing films in Pakistan? نعم البدل (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- You had reverted the change as well. I made that change to avoid the source of confusion.
- Also, List of highest-grossing Punjabi films is a sub-article of List of highest-grossing Indian films.
- Just move this page to Indian Punjabi films and create a new page in which you can add Punjabi films from both countries. Not just The Legend of Maula Jatt but other Pakistani Punjabi films as well.
- I have not set any precedence. It has been talked for long by various users. And so is the case from the very first day of it's creation. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 21:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- I reverted your name change, because there was no consensus for it. You keep making claims but without any proof. What do you exactly mean that this article is a "sub-article" of "List of highest-grossing Indian films"? What makes you say that? It's discussing a language, not a place in India. Again, why do you keep talking about the "very first day of it's creation" - was the article set in stone then? Why do you continue to edit the page, then? Also the first revision mentions both India and Pakistan. نعم البدل (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- You have set this precedence, whether it be with other users by all means, without a consensus that this article is only regarding Indian Punjabi films. نعم البدل (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
- I reverted your name change, because there was no consensus for it. You keep making claims but without any proof. What do you exactly mean that this article is a "sub-article" of "List of highest-grossing Indian films"? What makes you say that? It's discussing a language, not a place in India. Again, why do you keep talking about the "very first day of it's creation" - was the article set in stone then? Why do you continue to edit the page, then? Also the first revision mentions both India and Pakistan. نعم البدل (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I have provided all the proofs for the previous discussions. Go amd check there.
For this article, just Open List of highest-grossing Indian films and see. All regional languages cinema of India is listed there including Punjabi Cinema. That makes it a sublist or sub-article.
U very well understand everything that I am saying. Just tone down and don't unneccesarily fight with me. I really don't want to.
Fault is on part with the creator as he mentioned both India and Pakistan but added just Indian Punjabi films. I told u many times that I did not set this precedence. When I starting editing this page, it mentioned only India and Indian Punjabi films. Only a few people raised this issue before, others users made them understand and they understood. Nobody talked about consensus.
Where were u all these years when we were contributing to the said page? Pakistani Punjabi films broken records even in the past. Now, all of a sudden u wake up and started this thing.
But don't worry, we are trying to find a solution. Just keep calm. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 02:36, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:OTHERCONTENT. It doesn't matter what other articles do or don't do. They might be wrong—or they might be right because reliable sources support them in that one instance. We're discussing this article here, nothing else. Woodroar (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
Article scope
Let's discuss the scope of this article here. Should it include only Punjabi-language films made in India? Should it also include Punjabi-language films made in Pakistan? What about films made in both those countries? What about other countries? I'm hoping we can build a consensus but, barring that, perhaps we can use the various proposals in a future RfC. Woodroar (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Include all Punjabi-language films, no matter where they are made. My suggestion is to include every film in Punjabi, whether it was made in India, Pakistan, both, or somewhere else entirely. As mentioned at the ANI discussion, I believe that reliable sources support this. For example: Deadline Hollywood calls Pakistani film The Legend of Maula Jatt "the highest-grossing Punjabi movie" and also "a Pakistan-made or Punjabi-language film". In other articles, they stress where films were made rather than assuming "Punjabi" means "Indian": "The Punjabi film hails from 'Pollywood'" and "an Indian Punjabi family comedy". Variety also calls The Legend of Maula Jatt a "Punjabi-language film" here and here. IndieWire also specifies where a film was made, again avoiding implying that "Punjabi" means "Indian": "Punjabi-language Indian film". Even The Times of India and The Indian Express call The Legend of Maula Jatt a "Punjabi film" here and here. Per our Core Content Policies, we should always look to reliable sources for how we describe and categorize our subjects. I don't think this case is any different. Woodroar (talk) 01:41, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- @SunnyKambojLive, نعم البدل, Jahaza, Rsjaffe, Silver seren, and Nfitz: Can the editors who opined about the article scope at the ANI discussion, please comment on whether User:Woodroar's proposal is acceptable to them, or if an WP:RFC should be initiated? Abecedare (talk) 01:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- I don't have a specific opinion. Either separate by nation or not. @Woodroar is approaching the issue the correct way. It is a conversation about how films are best organized and how people looking up things in Misplaced Pages will best be served. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 02:13, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Let's do one thing. Add all films and differ them by using a column of country of origin. The article is already long enough and adding films from Pakistan will make it even longer. Though I never had a problem with more knowledge.
- But also allow me to create another article - List of Highest-Grossing Indian-Punjabi (Panjabi) films using the same data that others and I have contributed in this article. And, I will make it a sub article of List of highest-grossing Indian films, like other regional cinemas of India. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 02:17, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- See WP:POVFORK for why we can't do that. Woodroar (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Seconded - I'm not sure the point of creating a second article at this time. Nfitz (talk) 07:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Why do Indian Punjabi films need to be exclusively categorised in an entirely separate article, why can they not be just included with all other Punjabi films? نعم البدل (talk) 13:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- I agree and accept his proposal. All Punjabi films, regardless of their origin, should be included in this article. نعم البدل (talk) 13:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
List of highest grossing Indian Films have categories based on languages for all the regional cinema films. That why there should be discrimination for Indian Punjabi films?
I mean how it will be logical that List of Indian films contains an article about Punjabi films, and further Punjabi films will also have information about Pakistani Punjabi films. I don't know why people are not understanding this simple logic.
So, basically highest grossing Pakistani Punjabi films will come under Highest grossing Indian Films?
That's the reason we need to create a second article. SunnyKambojLive (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I think I should ask a few people Indian Punjabi people to come here and debate. Will that do what we are trying to achieve? Consensus? SunnyKambojLive (talk) 17:33, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- No, that would be canvassing. Woodroar (talk) 17:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @SunnyKambojLive: While neutrally worded posts at WT:INCINE, WT:PAK, and WT:FILM would be ok, be careful not to fall afoul of WP:CANVASS. Abecedare (talk) 17:56, 6 November 2022 (UTC)