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The previous contents of this page have been archived to User:Anthony cfc/Archive/12; to resume a previous conversation that I have removed, simply:

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Anthonycfc 17:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

MedCabal/Category:Kurdistan

Good afternoon (GMT time); would you now like to enlist a CfD nomination for each of the subcategories? I was originally attempting to, but failed :) you seem experienced, so I'll leave it up to you. Remember to link back to the above case page.

Kind regards,
Anthonycfc 18:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you feel a nomination is the best way to approach the issue (I am merely brainstorming). Since the start of the MedCab discussion, people participated in the deletion discussion of some of the subcategories but did not bother joining the discussion... Might it be better to raise the dispute resolution process a notch? -- Cat 19:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Good evening; "raise the DR process a notch" - do you mean promote it's presence, or move up the chain - eg MedCom? anthonycfc 20:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if Med COM is a notch up since parties appear to be ignoring the mediation... I think promoting the medcom page any more that it has would be fruitless. I was thinking of any other process - except arbcom (I want to avoid arbcom if possible, they are already busy) -- Cat 21:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFC? The full list is at WP:DR. anthonycfc 22:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible. Care to file one for me? :) -- Cat 22:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. By the way, that was a very quick reply :) I take it you use watchlists? anthonycfc 22:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Done; anthonycfc 22:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank You in over 465 languages -- Cat 23:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

(Indent reduce); no problem - "..just doing my civil duties.." anthonycfc 00:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Adopt

Hi Anthony,

Thank you for taking the time to adopt me. You user pages are amazing and I'm sure I can learn a lot from you. I have recently started patrolling recent changes as you can see by my latest 200 edits. However, I still feel I have a lot to learn about being an editor and working with other editors. If you don't mind looking at some of the articles I've listed on my user page under the constributions section it would be great to get some general feedback. Thanks again, Mkdw 21:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! You might want to check out the classroom (User:Anthony cfc/Classroom) for the latest lesson. Although it says "lesson the first" it's been on a while - I simply restarted it after taking a break from adopting. By the way, thanks for the user page praise! Yours is great to; on that note, I've taken the liberty of fixing the userbox - it says "this user has adopted anthony cfc" :P

If you've got any questions, don't hesitate to list them at the classroom!

Kind regards,
anthonycfc 22:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

mediation cabal case Indigenous Aryan theroy

The issue got escalated couple of different ways.

1. I opened a RfC regarding User:Dbachmann at ]

1. Another user has started an AfD for the article at ]

We do need third party mediation as these issue is very charged and everybody (including me) have very entrenched position.

I believe only way to improve quality of this and related article (Indo-Aryan Migration and Out of India)is to enforce WP:ATT evenly on all editors. I don't know how wide do you want to get involved in mediation.

The best place for involvement would be Indigenous Aryan Theory talk page

Thanks for your comments.Sbhushan 12:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your note. I would propose that you do not attempt to be "neutral", but try to understand whatever it is Sbhushan wants, and argue his case for him. I have no problem with viewpoints different from mine if they are referenced and argued coherently. Thus, if you want to help, I suggest you try to take Sbhushan's side as it were, and argue on his behalf. regards, dab (𒁳) 16:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am not one of the parties directly involved in this dispute (as far as I know). I am unfamiliar with how mediation works on Misplaced Pages, and so if this comment is inappropriate here please forgive me and give me direction on how best to comment. Since I have had little or no involvement in the controversy, I simply wish to make it known that I would be willing to help with fact checking for a few of the statements made in the two articles which are involved in the dispute. I make no claim to expertise in either subject, but I have access to some books that cover the subjects. I do not wish to make things worse by suddenly beginning to edit articles I have no prior track record with, which is why I raise my hand now as someone who may be able to help in some minor way. I also see this as an opportunity to learn more about how mediation works. Please help me understand what the role of bystanders like me could be in dealing with this situation. Buddhipriya 16:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Buddhipriya, if you are able to filter whatever merit is in Sbhushan's position and present it coherently, you'll be most welcome to do that to. What Sbhushan needs is an editor who is sympathetic to his general viewpoint and at the same time able to have a meaningful and coherent debate with people who are not. WP:ENC, WP:RS and WP:NPOV (plus some minimal WP:MoS) are enough for me, and if you find that anything remains of Sbhushan's suggestion after filtering it through these, I am certain we can easily accommodate it in the pertinent article. dab (𒁳) 17:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

To be clear, I have no desire to represent any particular view. I would merely want to read the article over to look for any sourcing questions that I might have as someone external to the topic. I do not want to touch the article unless it is clear that my intent would be to help improve it rather than to take sides or be disruptive. Buddhipriya 21:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I would add WP:Undue weight to the list. The basic agenda here is to present fringecruft as "alternatives" to legitimate scholarship, i.e. to use Misplaced Pages to gain "air time" and respectability by association. The IA Migration and OIT articles are rambling screeds for precisely this reason - all sorts of tangential issues expatiated on to drown the basic subject - and merging even more pseudo-scholarship isn't likely to help matters any. rudra 19:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

My apologies - I'm simply not willing to compromise my neutrality. If Sbhushan wishes for another editor to defend or argue on his behalf, a request may be filed with the AMA through the links above. Otherwise, I am closing this mediation as unsuccessful on the grounds parties do not wish for mediator, unless there are any objections. anthonycfc 17:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have not requested any editor to represent me. My request is very simple: Encyclopedic content must be attributable to a reliable source. See my request to Dab ] in simplest possible words. I am still requesting mediation.Sbhushan 21:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to Dab's comment above:

anthonycfc 21:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a suggestion, can we try mediation for one issue at a time to see if it is workable. Assuming everyone is interested, the issue is

(postulating the 3rd millennium BC Harappan civilization as the locus of Proto-Indo-Iranian) can qualify as bona fide scholarship, albeit far removed from mainstream opinion.

I had removed this text asking for citation ], Dab added the text back and provided citation as ]. I corrected the text based on Dab's citation here ] and this was missed in the first round ]. Dab reverted this without checking the material that he himself quoted ]. He again argued for incorrect text at Indo-Aryan Migration page ]. I provided him with exact words from citation again ].

This should be easy issue to fix, as Dab provided the citation. We only have to make sure the text in article represents referenced material.Sbhushan 22:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Right; time for me to step in to get the ball rolling: could all editors please post any disputes with these edits? If not, they will remain in place. anthonycfc 22:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The version before Dab's revision is more accurate representation of BB Lal's position. The more accurate version would be

(postulating the 5th millennium BC as the locus of Proto-Indo-Aryan) can qualify as bona fide scholarship, albeit far removed from mainstream opinion.

BB Lal is acknowledged as a professional scholars by Bryant also (2001) page 4.Sbhushan 22:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

If any editors have an objection to this edit being reverted to, please post so on this page by 18:00 05 March 2007 (UTC); otherwise, I'll implement the edit, assuming consensus has been reached. anthonycfc 22:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Re. Misplaced Pages talk:Welcoming committee#Hey

Many thanks for your reply on this matter, a welcoming bot would be a great idea, aslong as the welcome was personal and made no reference to the bot - welcoming new users helps to keep these editors within the project. I fully support that we can't go against this, I guess its just a pitty! I'll keep welcoming by hand! Thanks again and regards RyanPostlethwaite 22:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)