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March 3

WetCanvas

I recently became a member of www.wetcanvas.com, but because of an article about the artist website which I read here at Misplaced Pages about two weeks ago, I was leery of allowing them to have use of my artwork. According to Misplaced Pages, this has become an area of contention with several artists who do not wish to give use of their artwork to WetCanvas without compensation. As I was armed with the article here at Misplaced Pages, upon registration at wetcanvas, I opted not to allow them use of my artwork. If it had not been for that article, I would not have known about wetcanvas (and deviantart) taking artist's works and printing them and selling them, with no profit going to the artist. I told my sister about the article, but now I cannot find it. Was the article removed from Misplaced Pages? I found a link to the article on another website, but was redirected to different website entirely which gave little to no information about wetcanvas. The one thing I really respect about Misplaced Pages is the unbiased information that it gives about websites, which in turn helps to protect the rights of users from unscrupulous opportunists.

Thank you for your help.

C. Massey-Barber

Looks like it might have been deleted, no way to know for sure, since only admins can read deleted revisions, only they would know where that page redirected to --VectorPotential 00:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The page redirected to WetCanvas forum, which was speedy deleted for not asserting the notability of the forum. The article claimed the forum was the largest internet forum of visual art material on the internet, which sounds like an assertion of notability to me. I've restored the article and the redirect. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Perfect Mirror, The

Hi, I recently created a page with the title above, but now wonder if I should have used the exact book title ("The Perfect Mirror"). Do we put "The" and "A" at the start of a page title or not? Thanks. Johnfos 01:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you do put "The" and "A" at the beginning of page titles, if they would be capitalised normally. See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name) for more information. -- Chairman S. Talk 01:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Gender template

Hi. I was just wondering whether we have a template that goes along the lines of "This article does not represent the views of both the male and female gender. Please improve this article..." I think that this would be a good idea, since some articles (such as those related to fashion or cosmetics) are directed towards a specific gender.--Ed 03:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd just use {{POV|talk page section name|date = <month> <year>}} and put the reasoning on the talk page. Sorry for erasing your edit by mistake earlier. Xiner (talk, email) 03:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. IMHO, we do need such a template. Shall I start making this template (WP:BOLD), or do I need to ask on a certain venue for a consensus? Or it this page the place to get consensus?--Ed 04:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You can make it. If I may, though, I'd at least change the wording. "The views of both genders" is itself susceptible to POV, e.g., what society? class? I'd prefer "do not sufficiently discuss both genders" or something like that. Xiner (talk, email) 04:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I felt that I need further consensus, so I posted a message here. You can see the template that I made on User:Ed/Sandbox2 (future reference: ).--Ed 04:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

byetteism

We are serious believers in our religion and find is seriously offensive that you cannot refrain from deleting it. We have been trying ALL day to post it, but you keep deleting it. We find it offensive that you call it "Vandalism" and would BE VERY appreciative if you WOULD refrain from deleting it or calling it Vandalism. Thank you.

Bman22 04:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)bman22Bman22 04:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I really don't know what this particular religion is about, but if you would like to protest the deletions, you may go to Misplaced Pages's deletion review process. Bear in mind, however, that your article must follow Misplaced Pages's policies on content.--Ed 04:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I first noticed these articles when clearing out the WP:CSD backlog. The original article failed to assert notability nor provide and verifiable references, so it seemed an easy decision to delete. I have suggested to User talk:Taylor317 how to work on the article, if in fact it can pass verifiability tests. Andrwsc 04:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Fish food: Mud

Dear Sir,

I am serching for the fish that eats mud. In an artificial pond made 6 feet deep,20feet wide & 20 feet length. During rainy season, mud goes in the artificial pond. That mud should be cleaned/ eat by the fish.

1) which is the fish? 2) whether the fish is a fresh water fish?

Regards, patil2004

You're need Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Science. John Reaves (talk) 04:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

blatant advertising

I cant seem to figure out how to report blatant advertisers. I am layed up for a few months after an on the job accident and will be able to look for Wiki offenders. Can you put in laymans terms how to request a page delete? Janquille, New Jersey

You can try {{db-spam}} if it's blatant. What's the article? John Reaves (talk) 04:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Well...first of all, you will need to thoroughly read Misplaced Pages's deletion policy, along with a general understanding of all other policies. There are three different methods for deletion:

• Speedy deletion - for articles that can be deleted on the spot; deleted within a few hours
• Proposed deletion - for uncontroversial articles that can be deleted but not immediately; takes 5 days...I think
• Articles for deletion - for controversial articles that can be deleted but not immediately; requires the consensus of the community and debate generally lasts for 5 days

--Ed 04:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The page is of a band that has basically made a myspace page out of wik. Still Pending is the name of this particular band and there is more too. My question is do I have to put the {{ before I write the tl|db-spam? and a }} afterward too? Also, do I just go to the edit tab and put it right at the top? Thanks Wikieditor07

The tl just allows it to show up, here, as it would look in the editing box. It's just {{db-spam}} (if you look at this from the edit box, ignore the nowikis; they prevent the software from parsing wiki code). See Misplaced Pages:Spam for more on spam, Help:Templates for more on templates, and on and on. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Name of business

I want to know if it'S possible to add the name of my business. we are in business fort 12 years, and it's will be nice to add the name of the business in your record —Preceding unsigned comment added by EG0X (talk • contribs) 01:57, 3 March 2007

Misplaced Pages has many articles about notable corporations (e.g., Microsoft, Intel, Exxon Mobil, WalMart, Google, etc.). If you can write an article of similar quality about your business, go ahead. However, before you make your first article, see WP:COI. The prevailing view is that few people have the necessary detachment and objectivity to write neutrally about their own businesses or organizations. However, I would wager handsomely that most of the major corporation articles on Misplaced Pages have significant contributions from employees or stockholders of said corporations. (Obviously, any business that is even halfway competent will understand the exposure benefits of having an article on Misplaced Pages, and will send its people to help the process along. Misplaced Pages doesn't even require users to log in before editing most articles; if Misplaced Pages can't even stop the vandals, it certainly isn't going to stop the Microsofties, Googleheads, etc. from making constructive edits.) Be aware that if you have never written for Misplaced Pages before, the odds are high that your first attempt will merely feed the deletionists, because writing articles of encyclopedic quality is a skill that most Misplaced Pages newcomers don't arrive already knowing. (For example, you did not sign your message. That suggests you haven't yet learned enough wikicraft to avoid the common article deletion pitfalls. The ease of editing on a wiki is deceptive; Misplaced Pages is actually a vast minefield of complexity waiting to trip up newcomers.) Your best bet is to spend several months making constructive edits to a variety of already-existing articles, while reading the vast collection of Misplaced Pages help pages, guidelines, and policies. Once you have a solid idea of how things work around here, you'll be in a much better position to create new articles that actually stick. --Teratornis 15:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi EGOX, I'm glad you posted the question here. I'd like to echo Teratornis' view that it's probably not a good idea to write the article yourself, at least not right away, as this would bring up problems with our notability and conflict of interest guidelines. If you want to, you could write the article on your userpage or a subpage of it such as User:EG0X/company. You're more free to do what you want with your own userpages (see WP:UP for the guideline). If you choose this route, I can take a look at the page when you're ready and let you know whether I think it would work as a Misplaced Pages article in terms of notability and neutrality. If it's well-sourced and complies with the neutrality policy, we can move it to the main article space (i.e. out of your user subpage). Leave me a message on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything. delldot talk 16:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is a wiki that appears to be a collection of business listings, although possibly with the restriction that the businesses need to have a Web presence already. Also see: AboutUs.org. --Teratornis 16:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

External links

Does anyone know if it's possible to have brackets in the title? For example, if the title were "Hello ", the link comes out "Hello . ShadowHalo 06:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Replace the brackets with ] and [. i.e. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! ShadowHalo 09:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

How to research possibly (old) deleted articles

I have a bad feeling about a section of an article, Systems design, that it is cut-n-pasted text from an article that was AfD'd. My suspicions here, the insertion by an IP user here. What do you do when you just can't remember if this was its own controversy or like so many others? (The easy answer, Google, came up empty - but if it was long enough ago Google would lose track too) Shenme 08:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Commented on Shenme's talk page. - Mgm| 11:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Article reference in Google

The article I created in English does not appear in the Google search results. The article on the same topic in other wikipedia languages does appear, and the link from other English Misplaced Pages articles leading to mine do appear as well.

How do I get my article to appear as a search result in a simple Google search? —Preceding unsigned comment added by VerdanaTech (talk • contribs) 08:37, 3 March 2007

If you mean École du Louvre, you created it only 2 days ago. Perhaps Google hasn't indexed it yet? Which article did you mean? Shenme 09:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh my, yes, you've created the page, added redirects for non-accented characters, and fixed links on many pages in just the last 48 or so hours. I think Google will take a bit longer than that to recognize that the new page exists. In fact, it will be interesting to see how long, given that your page is referenced from so many places. Can you keep checking and make a note here? I'm curious. Shenme 09:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for your prompt answer. I will keep checking indeed.

If you want to give Google search a push, you can submit your page for indexing. I have no idea whether that will actually cause Google to index your page sooner than if you do nothing. --Teratornis 14:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Quality/audience/volume vs WP:ATT

Hello,
I have noted a lot of users often being "a bit too bold". Those users doesn't seem to care for WP:ATT. They read something they think is wrong (possibly not even checking the references) and go scratch all over.
I have recently seen two interesting cases: in the first, an user didn't have any doubt in turning a referenced article in an unreferenced one (it currently looks more like a stub). He claimed the new article was more useful and readable. Unluckly, it could have been proofed (by using the removed references) to be false. Oddly enough, some users commented as "I like..." the whole thing.
The second case is references are being used without exactly pointing out where this info is taken. Specifically, the indicated reference is over 5000 pages. Obviously, no one will ever have the will to check it out. I am however very skilled in using them and already proofed the thing to be false. So, the problem is "false referencing".
I am going after this by providing more references (I hope they won't bash WP:ATT so bad) but I'm unsure this is enough.
So, for the questions:

1. What is the raccomanded way to deal with high users volume with this behaviour?
   
2. What is the estabilished way to deal with different audiences?
   
3. What if a popular source contradicts a less popular but more authorative source?
   
4. How to remember users WP does have a specific set of guidelines? I don't want to tell them "be less bold" but that's the idea.
   

MaxDZ8 talk 09:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Removing properly cited material from an article makes it less useful. Anyone who says otherwise clearly doesn't know the rules. What article are we talking about. What to do when popular belief and authoritive sources differ are different depending on what it is, but the authoritive source info should always be mentioned. Point the user to WP:ATT. If they don't want to follow what is a non-negotiable policy, perhaps they should be less bold. What is the article we're talking about? - Mgm| 11:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The article I am speaking about it's very technical (shader). The specific "removed reference page" was this (there's a quick overlook on this edit run on talk:shader). The "false referencing" issue is visible in the last version of shader as well - you can see the references are currently "unreferenced" by the text: in fact, they shall be deleted. This opens the "reference checking" problem...
Being a term used for marketing there's a lot of hype around this stuff and I understand the "feel" by some users but again, this is stretching it.
MaxDZ8 talk 07:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Something I forgot to write: the problem isn't on the edit itself (which has been reverted) but on the fact similar problems arise at least once per month (in fact, the article is now a mess, compare it to the versions 1 year ago!)
MaxDZ8 talk 07:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

?

ok. no copyright, no original thoughts, no intellectual property, no look & feel.

I just happened upon a Misplaced Pages page referencing some 'fixed disk partitioning software', and there were some, some pasted-on notes saying the Misplaced Pages entry was in immenante(sp) danger of deletion, due to (I think), the fact that there existing no colaberating references for this product.

ok. so i hit the link to the software producer, and vuwalla(!), it looks luzhit!

So there you have it. Parago Partition Manager is. Reference Recorded.

The Misplaced Pages notices pasted on the page for that software item indicated that folks should become active in Misplaced Pages... by checking sources, verifing information, acrediting sources, etc. Well, doing that stuff is easy. What is really hard is trying to find the proper forum within Misplaced Pages to post a simple message. Which is why I'm using THIS area to post a simple reference.

strive

What page are you referring to? Parago Partition Manager doesn't have a page. Dismas| 14:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing, from 76.18.128.125 (talk · contribs)'s contributions, that whatever page they're referring to may have been deleted, since it shows their only edit being to this page --VectorPotential 14:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sweden new politics of saving energy

I would like to know if somebody has informations or documents showing the new politics of Sweden about saving Energy ?

According what I know of it : Sweden has a plan to reach 2015 using no more fossile energy and using instead : Gas from specialy built factories using domestics trash + oil factury fabricating oil and alcool coming from wood and corn. etc... the politic is already in action.

Does anyone knows about : techniques involved ? dates and planning ? numbers of plant ?

Thanks you for informations <redacted email>

Please use the reference desk. Xiner (talk, email) 15:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

See Oil phase-out in Sweden. Sweden has now earned my vote as the world's smartest nation. --Teratornis 18:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it safe to create an article about this movie? I don't want to duplicate an article!

I want to write an article about a movie (All ABout You) that is not listed on Misplaced Pages. But it is listed on one of the lead actor's (Terron Brooks) wikipedia page, with a link attached. When I click on the link, it takes me to a disambiguation page, but my particular movie is not listed there.

Is it safe to create an article about this movie? I don't want to duplicate an article!

Handtalker 18:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Be bold and create the article yourself--양복 18:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:Creating pages are useful pages to start with. PeaceNT 18:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Film for guidelines, advice, mentoring, help, categories, project tags, etc. specific to movie articles. If you are interested in editing movie articles, you should join the WikiProject. --Teratornis 19:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Are you talking about All About You? Be careful about capitalization when you're looking for a title. - Mgm| 13:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Copied content and different language in Article's discussion page

Can I add Copied content (Directly taken from website) and different language in Article's discussion page --NAHID 18:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That'd probably violate copyrights. Can you just type in the URL? Xiner (talk, email) 19:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Can I add different laguage in Article's discussion page?--NAHID 19:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, you'll have to clarify your question. Xiner (talk, email) 02:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Articles in the English Misplaced Pages need to be written in English. If you're not very good at English, discussion page comments can be in another language, but English is preferred. You could consider contributing to another language Misplaced Pages (see main page). If you're talking about Interwiki links, you can add them to articles, not talk pages. - Mgm| 13:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Starting from scratch

I would like to start a new article and have reviewed *Help: Starting a new page* but am unable to deduce from that how to proceed. The title would be a person's name and then there are about 1400 words of text, created using Word 97, that I would like to paste in for the body of the article. Are there any basic simple instructions that will tell me how to do this? My hope would be to get this going first in the simplest way possible and then save any advanced things, such as creating links, until later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bond220 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

It's good that you've gone through Help:Starting a new page. What particular questions do you have about things not making sense? In the meanwhile, you can also take a look at Misplaced Pages:Tutorial, which gives a good overview about how editing works on Misplaced Pages. -- Natalya 21:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you have not edited much yet, so it was definitely wise for you to ask here first. Since you are probably new to Misplaced Pages, I suggest you start by typing or pasting your article content on your user page or a user sub-page, and ask here for some help with editing it there if you need help. Otherwise, if you create your article in the main article space, without any review first by experienced editors, your first attempt might end up as lunch for the deletionists. Most people find it unpleasant to put a lot of work into editing a first article, only to have it deleted. If you start your page first as a user page, and get some feedback from experienced Wikipedians, we can help you get the article in good enough shape so when you create it as a "real" article, it will be more likely to "stick." Misplaced Pages seems very easy to edit, but Misplaced Pages ruthlessly deletes a tremendous number of new articles, and disproportionately many by people who are new and haven't learned the incredibly elaborate rules. The most conservative approach is to spend a few months learning to edit by improving some existing articles (which are in little danger of being deleted), and only begin creating new articles when you have gained some experience. --Teratornis 03:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, that's not to say that you can't create the articles on your computer at the same time, and upload them when they are ready. I've done this myself, but it's only really useful for articles that don't exist yet or that are unlikely to be edited for a while. --Seans Potato Business 19:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I would like to contribute more.

I was going to ask an administrator how to help me out. But an administrator found me first! I dont know how you did it but thanks anyway. Im trying to make the article about the roma people fair and balanced and not like in its current status, filled with weasel words, racism and bigotry. You see when i edit something, somebody else changes it back asap. What can i do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MadeinFinland (talk • contribs).

You may want to look into WP:ADOPT. Do you have a specific problem? You may want to read WP:NPOV, WP:N, and WP:V. Xiner (talk, email) 21:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

To be specific, MadeinFinland: many of your removals of content in Roma people were of unsourced statements. However, if you remove content, it could mean anything. You could be against the fact that a statement is true, you could be removing biased content, you could be removing incorrect content, or you could be vandalizing. When you edit, it would be great if you provided an edit summary in the box labeled "Edit summary (Briefly describe the changes you have made)". That way, people will know why you are removing something. It's quite possible that people think that you're trying to push your own point of view, or that you are vandalizing. The only way for them to know is to provide an edit summary, and better yet, discuss it on the talk page first. Gracenotes § 21:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

March 4

{{helpme}}

I'm doing a project, and I am trying to find information on what Spain's people look like. Could you help me find some info? I couldn't locate any.151.199.19.69 00:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• I suggest you try the reference desk, also try: Spain, Spanish and Spanish people--VectorPotential 00:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sign In Trouble

I created an account on 2/28 but have been unable to log in. I received the confirmation email with my user name and the link to activate the account. Did that. When logging in, I get "Incorrect password entered. Please try again." Tried to have a password reset and emailed, but I get "There is no e-mail address recorded for user "myuser." even though I supplied my email when registering (how else did I get the confirmation email?).

Any help is appreciated. 64.81.96.6 00:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Myuser was created in October 2005. Are you sure that's the name you registered? John Reaves (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, User:Myuser and User:MyUser would be different users? But User:Myuser and User:myuser are the same? Oh, yes, and User:myuser. is different again. Oh my. Shenme 07:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, usernames are case-sensitive after the first letter (just like page names). *Mishatx*-In\Out 07:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I might have confused this by saying "myuser" - my username is actually User:Rchopyak. Understood that user names are case sensitive. I copied the username from the confirmation email. First letter is upper case; the rest are lower case. I can only think I entered a bad password? That's why I hoped the reset would work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.208.234.208 (talk) 15:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

New Account

Hi Everyone,

I have another account, and I was not pleased with the name I chose. Is there any way I can delete my old account, and transfer all the items from my old account to the new one? Thanks!

69.123.236.26 01:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)MAP91

Is "MAP91" your username? John Reaves (talk) 01:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have made a lot of edits, you can request a change here. If you haven't done much with the account, it would be easiest to start a new one. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

References section

I made some edits in the AED section of the Defibrillation article and added two references/footnotes. The footnote superscripts show up in the text but I don't see the actual footnotes. Help! texasex 01:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Look at the page history for what I did. Xiner (talk, email) 01:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

After several tries, I can't get the email confirmation to work?

After several tries, I can't get the email confirmation to work —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Husseintl (talk • contribs) 01:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Are you sure you are inserting the correct E-mail address into the box, sometimes it takes a few days for a confirmation email to arrive from the media-wiki team, also check that the email has not automatically added into your junk or spam email section, if it is just mark it as not junk and follow the instructions within, if this problem continues, follow up again here.Tellyaddict 02:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Uh...what's the mediawiki team? The e-mails are sent automatically instantly. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 02:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I learnt that its the media-wiki team who send the emails, they must not be sent automatically as it took mine days to arrive, you could have spoken in a nicer way about it.Tellyaddict 03:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... That strange. I got mine instantly. And sorry, but I really didn't think it was that mean. It was just a question. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 04:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You didnt't sound that mean its just I was a bit stressed then anyway., sorry for an negative feelings caused.Tellyaddict

What exactly is the error message? Xiner (talk, email) 04:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no team that responds, email confirmations are sent automatically, as far as I know. Make sure the message isn't getting caught by a spam blocker, that often happens. Prodego 04:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• First, disable your spam blocker. Sometimes, they do weird things and re-enable themselves after a certain period of time. Re-disable it, to be sure.
• Second, request a confirmation email again. If you've requested confirmation before, that will invalidate all previous confirmation requests. There may be one request outstanding, which could be causing this problem; it's better to start anew to eliminate that possibility.
• Then, look for the confirmation email immediately. They don't take days to arrive, as they're sent right away, as soon as you press the button and the server processes the page.
• Click the link on the request. If it doesn't work, cut-and-paste the link to your browser.
• If there's still problems, write here again. Titoxd 05:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there a way to subscribe to an RSS feed for Misplaced Pages?

Hey I'm interested in recieving just about any article from Misplaced Pages daily(?) rather than constantly going to the site etc. an RSS feed type deal. Any other type of method is good too, Thanks! 72.225.14.147

You can get the featured article of the day emailed to you every day. To get that, subscribe to the daily-article-l mailing list by following the directions on that page. Other than that, no, Misplaced Pages has no RSS feeds about articles. PTO 04:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• The existing RSS feeds are listed at WP:RSS. - Mgm| 13:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you create a page?

How do you create a page in wikipedia? Birdy luvs me 06:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Click edit this page at the top. See Misplaced Pages:Your first article for more help--양복 06:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Help:Starting_a_new_page is also useful.:) PeaceNT 06:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

how to add controversies

• I suggest you get familiar with Misplaced Pages. Especially the rules at WP:ATT before making any such edits to avoid problems. - Mgm| 13:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to register with a name I already used.

Hello, I used a name (KnowledgeSeeker) a few times. I'd like to register it so that my IP adress won;t show up anymore, but when I try, I just get the message "Name already in use." or something similar. What can i do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.83.178.11 (talk) 12:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

If the account in yours then login using Special:Userlogin and it should log you in, if you wish to create an account by a different name then click Log in/Create account and follow the instructions there, if the KnowledgeSeeker is not your username then you will just have to choose something else because because unfortunately there cannot be two user accounts of the same name. Hope this helps.Tellyaddict 12:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• The name KnowledgeSeeker is already used by a well-established Wikipedian. I'm afraid you'll have to choose something else. - Mgm| 13:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a registration fetishist, but that's one of the possible downsides to not registering; User 24x actually signed some of her/his early talkpage posts as 'KnowledgeSeeker' (not a Wikisignature), which could cause confusion. Anchoress 16:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Persistant db-bio deletion

I am flagging this article for speedy deletion: Fran Timbers but the user persists on removing the tag and blanked out my page, what should I do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rysin3 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

As I can see the user is repeatedly removing these tags, firstly if you know that definitely meets the criteria for a biography speedy deletion than add, the tag - if he/she removed it start giving thr user warnings in the form of:

• Uw-speedy1
• uw-speedy2
• uw-speedy4
• uw-speedy4

However to comply with policies they have to be given in that order and if they remvoed it after the uw-speedy4 the report them to AIV and an administrator will either warn them or temporarily block them, I will inform the user that its against policy to removed DB tags.Tellyaddict 14:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

They now seem to be using new usernames to delete the tags. Rysin3 14:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Probably the easiest thing (though I see it has gone now anyway) is to just move on to nominate for deletion instead. Removing an AfD tag isn't allowed either, but the good thing is that it makes not a bit of difference to the ongoing discussion and its eventual result. Notinasnaid 17:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

consumer behaviour

explain the models of cosumer behaviour?59.92.202.152 14:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions about using Misplaced Pages, not for these types of questions.15:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:RD for asking those type of questions. Asics talk 15:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

DR Rauni-Leena Luukanen Kilde

Why is Misplaced Pages writing so very much false and dishonest information about me which can be legally proven?Where have you gotten this false info of my background,titles and degrees?UFO Norway has for over 10 years spread false information and am surprised that Misplaced Pages byes their lies without cheking the truth!Character assacination is a method used by those working for intellgence agencies.I wonder who is behind this dirty campaign now which Misplaced Pages is spreading?Today I found out these writings and wonder how long have you been been spreading disinformation? I find it very interesting that UFO Norway (and now you too, find eg. (DTMH) Diploma in tropical medicine and hygiene "dubious"as well as other medical diplomas from Finnish and Swedish universities.)The leader of Ufo Norway has no backgroud to be able to discredit any Scandinavian university degrees so why is Misplaced Pages spreading false information also of dates,years of my graduation and lifeevents?WHO gave you the same false info UFO Norway is spreading for over 10 years? Greetings Dr Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde Finland/Norway redacted info March 3,2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.157.1.143 (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

With all due respect, it seems to me the article gives more credence to your theories than I would. Xiner (talk, email) 16:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• What article? I tried different titles, and I can't turn up anything. Existing or deleted. - Mgm| 19:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde. Found it on the first try. Anchoress 21:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ref

Using the referenceing tool... <ref>Something</ref> you create a small number next to the word... If I wanted to reference another part of the article from that source, how do I keep the same number and not add another. i.e. if on line 3 the reference is number 6, and something on line 24 is also referenced from place 6, how do I get it to show that? Thanks, Asics talk 15:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

If want to use same references, first do <ref name=ANY>Something</ref>. then, just type <ref name=ANY /> for next time in any part of article. --Aleenf1 16:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't stay logged in

Here's the problem: I log in (seems successful), and as soon as I change pages, I am not logged in any more.

This only occurs from home, via Hughes.net/Direcway. At any other access point, it works fine.

At home, I use other Wikis, including other Mediawikis. They all work fine.

In summary, I can't stay signed in to Misplaced Pages via hughes.net. Any clue welcome.

lee email rm'd 69.19.14.24 17:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Per the suggestion at the top of Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical), try using the secure server. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Orange Ribbon

Dear Misplaced Pages, In regards to your listing of the orange ribbon, we kindly ask that you update this listing to include the orange ribbon representing at-risk animals in the United States (registered) and England (registration pending).

Our non-profit organization, Rational Animal www.rational-animal.org, is dedicated to increasing awareness about at-risk animals in New York City, and we officially registered the orange ribbon with the US Patent and Trademark office as the ribbon color that represents at-risk animals, "at-risk animal" defined as any non-human animal whose life or well-being is in jeopardy.

Rational Animal campaigns with the Mayor's Alliance for NYC's Animals www.animalalliancenyc.org, a coalition of 100 rescue organizations dedicated to ending euthanasia of homeless animals in NYC simply because they have no homes. The Mayor's Alliance for NYC's Animals is a non-profit organization that has successfully brought the animal rescue community together and is viewed as a model for cities working to become "no-kill." Part of the campaign for the Mayor's Alliance includes wearing the orange ribbon in support of animals.

With 5-6 million dogs, cats and other animals euthanized annually in shelters throughout the United States, we want to increase awareness about the need to be good animal guardians: those people who adopt from shelters, spay and neuter the animals to control the overpopulation situation, and keep their animals for their lifetime.

he orange ribbon was selected as the ribbon representing animals as it matches the orange "Adopt Me" vest worn by animals needing homes and is an emergency color worn by animals to protect them from hunters and traffic. We also work with the ASPCA who has recently changed their colors to reflect the color orange www.aspca.org. We also officially named the ribbon, the Orange Animal Guardian Ribbon, in partnership with In Defense of Animals' guardian campaign, www.idausa.org.

With so many ribbons representing human causes, we wanted the orange ribbon to symbolize support for all causes that work to improve animals' lives. We encourage any individual or legitimate organization that works to improve lives of animals to use the orange ribbon. We currently have information about the orange ribbon posted at www.animalguardianribbon.org, and one of our volunteers, Nathan Janes, Poparf.com has created a beautiful work of art featuring a dog wearing a ribbon and adopt me vest which we've reproduced on matchboxes in which we distribute the orange ribbon for free or at low cost in bulk quantities for rescue groups wanting to raise funds using it.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you,

Susan Brandt Executive Director Rational Animal 917-239-9229 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ratanimal (talk • contribs) 18:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

Hi. Please note WP:NPOV and WP:V. It'd be useful to include reliable sources in the info. (To other editors: please feel free to bring the reliable bits into the article.) Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 18:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Spammers

How do I report a user who is spamming? 209.29.88.173 18:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Take it to WP:AIV and use either template {{vandal}} or {{IPvandal}} depending on whether they're a registered user, or an IP address --VectorPotential 18:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank You :)

Also, try Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spam. Anchoress 21:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wiki for game guides

Is there a wiki that takes material that is more suited for a video game guide than an encyclopedia aritcle.--Crossmr 20:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You might want to try http://gameinfo.wikia.com. —PAN 20:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to try http://strategywiki.net/ as well. Dismas| 04:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikibooks used to have an interesting section describing how videogame guides got moved from Wikibooks to strategywiki, but sadly it fell prey to deletionists. --Teratornis 19:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguous Dating

I originally put this on Misplaced Pages talk:Template messages and WP:RT but I am tired of waiting for a response, so I'll try here.

Is there a template to put either on top of an article or section or at the end of a sentence that asks for clarification of words like "recently" or "soon"? If there isn't, I'd be happy to make it. I'd just need to know which is preferred: a general top-of-page one, a specific sentence one, or both. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

What about Template:Recentism? John Reaves (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

If it's just a couple of sentences, I'd use {{fact}}. Xiner (talk, email) 21:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Recentism is okay. Something like would be good for a sentence. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Isabel I, Queen of Spain

The problem: I am a historian who has written the authoritative book on this subject: Peggy K. Liss, Isabel the Queen. Life and Times. NY: Oxford, 1992: rev.ed. Philadelphia, Penn Press, 2004.

The book is missing from your bibliography. The article is poor. I could edit or rewrite it, but not immediately. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.104 (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

You can post a recommendation on the article's talk page. Please note WP:NOT. Xiner (talk, email) 21:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Bibliography

how to get the information for bibliography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.139.118 (talk • contribs)

I'm afraid you'll have to clarify the question. Xiner (talk, email) 22:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you're interested in Citing Misplaced Pages? -- Rick Block (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

My site

To whom it may concern,

I am creating a site (which is currently under construction) to help people learn French and I would like to put it in the "See also" section on the "french" page. When I put it in it is wiped... why is this? It is not spam and I'm creating the site because of my love of French and want to help others to learn it.. free. To be honest I think this is pretty much the same as you are doing here on this site and can't see why I can't help others to learn like you do...

Please get back to me.

Joshua (http://www.frexe.741.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frexefr (talk • contribs) 23:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. Numbers 1, 3, 5, 11, possibly 2, among things. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Publication

Hello, I am writing a paper on Edgar Allan Poe and as a result I must also make note of the publication of this site (www.wikipedia.org), so in other words, where will I find the publication date of this website? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.30.237.226 (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

The articles are constantly updated, so you should go by "access date", which may be today. Xiner (talk, email) 23:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

• Try Misplaced Pages:Citing Misplaced Pages and the "Cite this article" link in the toolbox to the left of the article. - Mgm| 00:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

How to deal with article critics?

I hope this is the right place to post this question. I'm from Thai Misplaced Pages. Recently there are few users start criticizing and tagging articles without editing any single pages. Sometime they go with the harsh word including "can it be better?", "it's really not professional", and so forth. Also some articles have too many tags with a little content such as th:Waterfall Model or th:อามุโร่ เรย์ I encouraged them to edit their own instead of just being talk-page users. But it doesn't seem work. I know that it's their right to critic since Misplaced Pages is open to everyone but I'm afraid that this people just kick away new users. Do you have any idea how to deal with them? Many thanks. --Manop - TH 23:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Give them {{sofixit}}. As for the tags, keep the most important ones and delete the others. If someone keeps adding duplicate tags, they are disrupting the site. Xiner (talk, email) 01:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Specific dates

Is there a policy/guideline that specifically says not to use nonspecific dates (recently, soon, etc)? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 00:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Avoid statements that will date quickly. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What is Misplaced Pages

WHat is wikipedia and why do I get blocked for editting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.19.102 (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia that anyone can contribute to, and you don't get blocked for editing, you get blocked for vandalizing an article--양복 01:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You haven't been blocked. If you had, you wouldn't be able to edit, and it will show up in the block log.--K.Z 07:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the person was blocked previously. --Proficient 05:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

March 5

amoxicillin supp.

How long is it good for at room temp? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.244.63.85 (talk) 02:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Try MedLinePlus.gov. We shouldn't dispense medical advice here. Xiner (talk, email) 02:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Making new pages

I tried to make a page about my blog, and it was deleted. I am confused because I looked up some other blogs, and many of them are listed. So why can't I make a page for mine?

The page has to meet certain Notability guidelines. You can always make a userpage, but you first have to make an account. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 02:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:COI, WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, perhaps even WP:NOT. If you believe the deletion was unjustified, you can try WP:DRV. Xiner (talk, email) 02:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

A Great Article

How do I nominate an article for being really good?

See Misplaced Pages:Good articles--양복 03:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Why use wiki software?

Why you use wiki software? Jet123Jet123 04:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean?--양복 04:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

See: Misplaced Pages:Why Misplaced Pages is so great for some reasons why Misplaced Pages uses wiki software. For some reasons why some other people use it, see the links in corporate wiki. If you like to read dead tree editions, see: The Wiki Way, among others. --Teratornis 16:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Alt Key on Misplaced Pages

Why can't I use Alt key to access the menu on the wikipedia site. I hate using a mouse and most often use the File, Edit, View menus when browsing. It doesn't work on your site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.192.217.64 (talk) 05:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

• It works for me. What browser are you using? - Mgm| 05:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

When using MS IE, at least, certain Alt key combinations are co-opted by Misplaced Pages. For instance, Alt-F jumps to the search box.

Ahh, here's the little booger,

accesskey="f"

is used in the web page HTML <input> control definition for the search box. And there's plenty of other accesskey= definitions in the HTML also.

I don't see anything in "my preferences" that disables this. So the question becomes, where are all these Alt-key redefinitions mentioned, and is there a way to turn them off? Shenme 00:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Want to locate my Reference Desk querry, forgot date

Hi... i had asked for help at the Reference Desk for some clarification regarding 'ba;ancing a bicycle'. there was a nice,informative discussion

now i cant find it... pls help me

like i tried searching the achieve (still am)but i forgot he original date of querry

is there any other way to find that discussion...?

thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seethahere (talk • contribs) 09:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Hi. You could do a site search via Google. If you search on site:en.wikipedia.org "balancing a bicycle" and go into the cache entry for the result you might be able to find something (I couldn't, strangely).--A bit iffy 09:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Further to above, I happen to have found it: ].--A bit iffy 09:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This URL generates a tidy-looking Google custom search form which searches just the Reference desk/Science pages:

• http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science&sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science

and the page we want pops right out. This URL generates a somewhat broader search form which searches all the Reference desk pages:

• http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk&sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk

It might be helpful if every Help or Reference desk page on Misplaced Pages had such links at the top (formatted more nicely, of course), with instructions to search for previous answers to a question before asking. The existence of WP:VFAQ indicates that some questioners do not search before asking, and who can blame them given the acknowledged deficiencies of MediaWiki's current built-in search. (Speaking of the latter, could we have a fundraiser specifically aimed at hiring sufficient programming talent to bring state-of-the-art search to MediaWiki?) --Teratornis 15:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you say me ....

I have moved this to Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities.--A bit iffy 10:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Naming of articles on churches

Is there a policy or guideline on how articles on churches should be named? For example, should Church of St. Peter, Brighton be named as such, or can it be named St. Peter's Church, Brighton? I am asking because I want to be sure of my facts before if I change that article's name (and others). I have been told by another user that an admin has said there is a policy or guideline on this, but I'm doubtful there would be and anyway I haven't been able to find such a policy or guideline. Thanks, --A bit iffy 10:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing about it in Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (except for one mention of 'Roman Catholic' vs. 'Catholic'). You might want to ask on Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions. --ais523 11:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --A bit iffy 11:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe WP:CHURCH will give you a link in the right direction? Dismas| 13:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at that page, it seems to be the subject of an edit war, so it probably shouldn't be considered authoritative. --ais523 13:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The page seems to be centered on the notability of churches, not the naming thereof. If it were me making the decision, I'd probably go the way that I've seen so many school's pages named. That is by using "School name (town, state)". Dismas| 13:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a question

LOLZ I HAV QUESTUEIN LOL H0W DU I GO2 HOEMP4GE LOL

I DUN NOW I TRIED EVERTHGING N I DUN NOW HOW 2 DO IT LOL

"THER IS N0 SP00N" -- MATRICKS¿ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.118.160.65 (talk) 12:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

There's a 'Main page' link in the sidebar to the left of the screen. If that isn't what you were trying to ask, could you restate the question? --ais523 12:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Or if you're trying to go to your own homepage which is set in your browser, there should be an icon at the top of the browser window that looks like a little house. By clicking that it should take you to your homepage. Or, if you're trying to set a new homepage for your browser, we'll need to know which browser you're using (e.g. Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, etc.). Dismas| 13:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Somehow this has happened since October:When I'm exploring Misplaced Pages unlogged-in with Trampton,but with User:Teddey account.I'm adding something on a talk page adn I look and it gives not saying "User:Teddey",but "User:71.96.198.147"!Later it gives me this one:71.96.197.21!A couple of days later it then gives me this one:71.96.196.202,why is this happening, and if it is possible please delete the page,here are the pages(there are more!) :o .....

Thanks!:) Trampton 13:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

• Contribution pages cannot be deleted. Those numbers are IP addresses which usually show when you don't log in or when your login doesn't "stick". It seems to be resitrcted to the Teddey account, so I would recommend using the account you know to work. Did you use different computers or browsers when you signed in with the other account. Your Internet Service Provider appears to be Verizon, which if my memory serves me correctly uses dynamic IP addresses which explains the changing numbers. - Mgm| 13:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Tahnks a bunch!Trampton 15:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Duplicate Content

Following a link from the front page today about Bradley Willman, I noticed that the Willlman page is largely composed of a synopsis of a single legal case (US vs Kline), and that the content of that synopsis is repeated word for word in a linked article on the defendant in that case Ronald Kline.

How do you go about suggesting that one article is merged or redirects into the other? StuartDouglas 13:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

See: WP:MM. Find this page (and lots more) on: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Misplaced Pages. --Teratornis 15:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• I went ahead and redirected the article on Ronald Kline. See here and here for my edits. TheronJ 15:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Account confirmation

I *have* created an account, Webmiser or webmiser, I'm not sure which, or if it matters. Allowed a preference I would choose the all lower case version. I got the confirmation email in my webmiser@kascomp.com account and I clicked on the link. The login returns with 'incorrect password' every time. I have asked for a new password, but it says it's already sent one, and only one per 24-hour period is allowed. Please fix this for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.251.158 (talk • contribs)

Renaming articles

When proposing to move an article, besides the move tag on the talk page, should there be a tag on the article page? If so, what? --Ephilei 15:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No, the {{move}} tag on the talk page is the only thing required by the requested moves process; the article itself doesn't need tagging. --ais523 16:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

NOEDITSECTION

What purpose does having __NOEDITSECTION__ on your user page, or on any page for that matter, serve? John Reaves (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It removes the marks that normally appear next to section titles. --ais523 16:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

My sony Ericsson P800

Hi there, I have a problem with my phone a sony Ericsson P800 as it keeps freezing and i have to remove the battery and put it back and then start again before it unfreezes.I need your help.My Email adress is (removed to protect you from spam).Pliz help me soon.Paul from Uganda.

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --ais523 16:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Coding

Here is the code:

//

//============================================================
// en: ADD SOME EXTRA BUTTONS TO THE EDITPANEL
// de: FÜGE NEUE BUTTON IN DIE WERKZEUGLEISTE
//============================================================
// Vorschläge für neue Buttons werden gerne entgegengenommen
// Die Reihenfolge und Anzahl der Buttons ist über die (alphabetische) Variable XEBOrder wählbar.
//fills the variable mwCustomEditButtons (s. function in /wikibits.js), with buttons for the Toolbar  
function addCustomButton(imageFile, speedTip, tagOpen, tagClose, sampleText){
mwCustomEditButtons.push({
  "imageFile": imageFile,
  "speedTip": speedTip,
  "tagOpen": tagOpen,
  "tagClose": tagClose,
  "sampleText": sampleText});
}
var Isrc='http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/';
// English Misplaced Pages creates 11 extra buttons which are stored in mwCustomEditButtons
//  rather than mwEditButtons. However, there is no guarantee it will always be 11
//  so we count them here. 
var enExtraButtons=mwCustomEditButtons.length;
var BDict={
'A':,
'B':] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:date| date|}}.</small> <!-- Template:Unsigned --> ','user name or IP'],
'C':,
'D':,
'D1':,
'F':,
'J1':,
'J2':,
'K':]",'Category name'],
'L':,
'N':,
'P':,
'P1':]','Page'],
'Q':,
'R':,
'R1':,
'R2':,
'R3':,
'R4':,
'T':,
'T1':,
'TL':,
'U':,
'V':]",'Article Name'],
'W':,
'X':,
'Y1':,
'Y2':,
'Z':,
'AI':]",'FileName.jpg']
};
var XEBOrder2=;
if (typeof XEBOrder!='string') // can be modified
	XEBOrder2="A,B,D,C,D1,F,U,S,I1,I2,J1,E,G,Q,W,X,K,L,M,H,O,R,T,V".split(",");
else if (XEBOrder.toLowerCase()=='all') 
	for (b in BDict) XEBOrder2.push(b);
else XEBOrder2=XEBOrder.toUpperCase().split(",");
function initButtons(){
	var bc,d;
	for (b in BDict) BDict = Isrc+BDict; // // Add the start of the URL (Isrc) to the XEB buttons
	// If the user has defined any buttons then add them into the available button lists 
	if (typeof myButtons=='object')
	  for (b in myButtons) BDict = myButtons;	// custom user buttons
	// Add the media wiki standard buttons into the available buttons 
	for (b in mwEditButtons) { // add standard buttons for full XEB order changing
		BDict=;
		for (d in mwEditButtons) BDict.push(mwEditButtons);
	}
	// Build the new buttons 
	for (i=0;i<XEBOrder2.length;i++) {
		bc = BDict];
		//Check if bc is an object (its not if just viewing the page, in which case IE might display an error)
		if(typeof bc!='object')return;
		addCustomButton(bc,bc,bc,bc,bc);
	}
	// Remove the default buttons (if requested by the user)
	eraseButtons();
}
addOnloadHook(initButtons);
/** en: Removes arbitrary standard buttons from the toolbar
* @author: ]
* @version: 0.1 (01.10.2006) **/
function eraseButtons(){
	//Remove the buttons the user doesn't want
	if(typeof rmEditButtons!='object') return;
	if (typeof rmEditButtons == 'string' && rmEditButtons.toLowerCase() == 'all') 
	{
		mwEditButtons=;
		for(i=0;i<enExtraButtons;i++){mwCustomEditButtons.shift();}
	}
	//Sort the user's requests so we remove the button with the highest index first
	//- This ensures we remove the buttons the user expects whatever order he requested the buttons in
	rmEditButtons.sort(sortit);
	//Remove individual buttons the user doesn't want 
	for(i=0;i<rmEditButtons.length;i++){
		var n=rmEditButtons;
		//Standard Wikimedia buttons
		if(n>=0 && n<mwEditButtons.length){
			if(n<mwEditButtons.length){
				var x = -1;
				while((++x)<mwEditButtons.length)
					if(x>=n)
						mwEditButtons = mwEditButtons;
			}
		mwEditButtons.pop();
		}
		//Extra buttons in English Misplaced Pages
		n=n-mwEditButtons.length;
		if(n>0 && n<mwCustomEditButtons.length){
		if(n<mwCustomEditButtons.length){
				var x = -1;
				while((++x)<mwCustomEditButtons.length)
					if(x>=n)
						mwCustomEditButtons = mwCustomEditButtons;
			}
		mwCustomEditButtons.pop();
		}
	}
};
//Function:
//	sortit
//Purpose:
//	Used to sort the rmEditButtons array into descending order
function sortit(a,b){
	return(b-a)
}
//

My problem is:

'B':] comment was added by ] (] • ]){{#if:date| date|}}.</small> <!-- Template:Unsigned --> ','user name or IP'],

How do I fix it? Because this is the way I have it and this (<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] • ] ([[User talk:) is the result. Thanks for your help. -- Darkest Hour 16:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that the array (which defines each button) should have 5 items in it: the image, the description, the opening tag (can be more than just a tag), the closing tag and the text to go between the tags (this is replaced by whatever the user has selected if they have something selected). Your B button definition looks to have 7 items so the code will ignore the last two. You might find it easier to stick with the standard Extra edit buttons code and setup a custom button rather than using a copy of the code. Contact me on my talk page if you need more help. -- MarkS (talk) 14:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I edit in MS Word?

This is my first attempt to edit a Misplaced Pages article (Victory at Sea). I had hoped to edit it in MS Word where I can more easily show suggested deletions and additions. But when I selected "external editor" in preferences, then tried to open the PHP file in Word, got error message saying I don't have approval to open it.

Confusing. Is editing in Word possible, and, if so, how would I resubmit the edit to Misplaced Pages?

--writerboba 16:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No, you can't edit Misplaced Pages articles in Word, as it doesn't understand wikimarkup. The whole 'external editor' thing is experimental; I'm not sure if they ever got it to work (see m:Help:External editor for information on how far they got). --ais523 16:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I use external editors often as the find/replace function on them is better than browsers. You can hit "edit this page", copy the text in the edit box, paste it into the editor of your choice, edit, copy the new material, then paste it back into the article. You won't be able to see if the links work and such but then you can hit "Show preview" before you save your changes so that you can check them at that point. Though, the time between copying and pasting back in the text is generally not long at all. I wouldn't do the same if I were working on something over the course of a few days or anything like that. Dismas| 17:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Esoteric language in Japanese culture pages

I'd like to know what the policy is in using Japanese words on Japanese culture (anime, manga, music, etc) in place of English words is. I see little point in filling a page with "seiyu" when the author could just as easily call them "voice actors." I would imagine it would be a lot easier to understand if authors didn't do such a thing. In my opinion it just leads to unnecessary confusion which seems to disagree with some of Misplaced Pages's basic standards. Please clarify.

I would also like to add that the "seiyu" bit was only an example. There are many, many more English words that have been replaced with Japanese counterparts.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.177.2.254 (talk • contribs)

• Hi, 72. In general, the Misplaced Pages style guides prefer the use of English words or foreign origin loan words that have gained common usage in English -- see the Guide to Writing Better Articles, the Manual of Style, and the Manual of Style for Japan-Related Articles. None of these sources are absolute, but they generally recommend use of English unless the foreign word affirmatively adds to the article. Given that the style guidelines are not absolute, you may want to start a discussion on the talk pages of the article in question, or on the anime or Japan project talk pages. The editors there may have discussed this issue, or may be able to provide you with more information. Thanks, TheronJ 22:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Nation-Simulation Game

I am sad to see this article has been removed without any new article being replaced by it, and insted having this link being redirected to some computer games..

This genre of game do deserve to be represented on the site and should not have been deleted.

I am however willing to write up a new article that will disclude alot of the biased information in the earlier article put in by a person from another game, I am taking that was the issue here...

So if you would consider reopening the article if I can supply you with an article that live up to the expectations then I would be happy to do so.

Regards, Maretti.

See Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Nation-simulation game for information on why it was deleted. Basically, the original article was original research. If you know of reliable sources for the subject, write an article about it in your userspace (User:Maretti/Nation-Simulation Game, for instance), and then go to deletion review to request for your new article to be placed where the deleted article was. Hope that helps! --ais523 17:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding information to an existing article and subject.

I just joined Wiki. I am a composer and producer working in the entertainment industry.. If I search on wiki and put in '"smart guy", it takes me to a page for the sitcom that I composed the theme for. How do I add my information about what I did on the show, and how do I link that page to a new article I will be creating? Thanks, Kristian Rex

<remove email to protect against spam>

• Misplaced Pages only includes material which has already been published elsewhere so that it is verifiable, so unless what you want to add was already covered in a book, magazine, newspaper, website, etc. it's not recommended you add anything you personally know to be true. As for linking to a new page, I recommend you try WP:YFA and Misplaced Pages:Tutorial. (Note: Don't post your email address here, you don't want to be spammed). - Mgm| 19:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have original content about a television show you would like to wikify, check the list of wikis for a wiki that wants such content. For example, searching WikiIndex for "television" turns up this possibility: The TV IV. That wiki looks pretty good, at least on its Main Page. I did not find the site's editorial policies in a couple of clicks, but the help page mentions that you can write reviews of TV shows, which means they evidently do not share Misplaced Pages's policy of no original research. And in the interest of hair-splitting, when you say "I just joined Wiki", oldschool purists might think you mean to say you just joined the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb. Since there are thousands of wikis, it's best to refer to each wiki by its proper name (this is Misplaced Pages, for example). --Teratornis 22:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Contacting an admin about annon user in need of block?

I've been doing some recent changes patrolling lately and every once in a while there is a guy like this 142.214.60.130 who is just going to town blanking articles and the such, who do I contact about getting a block to stop the bleeding? Inseeisyou 19:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, Insee - the administrator intervention against vandalism page has instructions - basically, the vandal needs to have been properly warned and to have kept vandalising. At that point, if you post a notice on the WP:AIV page, an admin will bop the vandal appropriately. TheronJ 19:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

  Update: It looks like the IP has been blocked. Good work on the warnings, Insee. TheronJ 19:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Image page change

All of a sudden, I'm seeing "No higher resolution available." on smaller images. Does anyone know where the discussion about this occurred? ShadowHalo 21:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, Shadow: As far as I can tell, in your preferences, under the "Files" tab, you can set a limit on the size of images on image description pages. If an image is over that limit, it will display at your limit, with a link to a higher res version of the same image. If not, you will get the "no higher resolution available" message. See also Help:Preferences#Files. Hope that helps, TheronJ 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

  Has this always been the case? I know that it used to give a link if you wanted to see a larger resolution, but I don't remember ever seeing "No higher resolution available." below the image. ShadowHalo 01:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  It's due to changes in the MediaWiki software. For more info, read the B.R.I.O.N. section of the Misplaced Pages Signpost. Harryboyles 10:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured Picture of the Day

How can you have the featured picture of the day on your User Page every day ?--Tovojolo 21:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you can use the {{POTD}} template, i.e. add {{POTD}} on your page. Cheers, --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article of the Day

Is it possible to have the featured article of the day on your User Page daily ?

If so, how ?--Tovojolo 22:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You can put {{Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}} on your page, which will show the same article that's on the main page. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 22:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Email password recovery will not work.

Dear Misplaced Pages:

On December 2, 2006 I registered the username "Sarlic" with wikipedia under the e-mail address Sarlic@toto99.com.

Despite having gone through all of the verification processes, right now when I click to recover my password, the account is telling me that the username "Sarlic" does not have an e-mail address associated with it.

Please let me know what I need to do to recover my password.

Thanks very much!

Steve McVey (removed e-mail address) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.166.207.96 (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Did you ever confirm your e-mail when you created the account? --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 22:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Cant access pref account

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Preferences#prefsection-7 I cannot acccess it. It does nothing just mentions the prefsection. Yes I'm logged in. What could have happened? BTW I just removed 1,982 pages from my watchlist. -- Darkest Hour 22:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried bypassing your cache?--TBCΦtalk? 06:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Trouble nominating an AFD

Hi there, I seem to be fumbling around and stepping on my own feet while trying to list an article for deletion--see here Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of Caucasian Americans (second nomination). Could someone help me fix this up and get it listed on the log (and tell me what I did wrong!)? Thanks! --Xnuala 23:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to speedy it as a re-creation. It was deleted per consensus in December. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 23:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

W13BY and WJAC

Dear Misplaced Pages Editors,

I inadvertently placed the W13BY info on the WJAC page. It should be moved to W13BY.

Hopefully, the WJAC information can be placed back on it's respective page.

At one time, WJAC had broadcasted on W13BY.

Sam Jordan, GM W13BY/Pennsylvania Channel 13 Pathway Community Radio Inc. 814.355.4500

I assume you refer to this edit. It has been reverted. Editors are welcome to revert their own edits if they discover an error. PrimeHunter 11:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Smileys, Icons

How can you use Smileys and Icons on your User Page ? --Tovojolo 23:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What type of emoticon? Are you referring to "☺", ":)" or ""?--TBCΦtalk? 06:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

March 6

download

ive been tinkerign on the computer but i could not figure out how to download wikipedia for my palm life drive hope u can help me thanks

What do you mean download. Misplaced Pages needs many servers to hold all it's information. If you want the unzipped version, your going to want to buy about a 100,000 dollars worth of computers. If you want to view it then I would expect it to be the same as any other website. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 00:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

See WP:WAP, WP:DUMP, meta:Wiki on a stick. A Google search for "Misplaced Pages on Palm" yields a few results, including this intriguing one: Misplaced Pages in your Pocket. Looks like you want something called TomeRaider. I'm not an expert, just someone who can do a Google search. So if you're already trying all this, that's all I've got. --Teratornis 01:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the Wiki on a stick means the software, not Misplaced Pages itself. --TeckWiz Contribs_@ 01:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, wiki on a stick refers to putting MediaWiki and an AMP stack on a portable medium such as a USB flash drive (or, for desktop use, on a computer's internal drive). I've been playing around with running MediaWiki under XAMPP this way. It runs great even on my old crummy Windows 98 computers. I have not tried importing the Misplaced Pages database, yet, but in principle it doesn't look hard to do, if one has enough disk space. Copying little corporate wikis between computers has been pretty simple, as such things go. With USB flash drive capacities going up according to Moore's Law, it should be feasible to carry around an actual stand-alone AMP stack running MediaWiki with a full recent dump of Misplaced Pages pretty soon, if not already, if someone were so inclined. --Teratornis 07:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

how

how do u start a new wilkipedia page?

Athena rules 01:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You go to the top of the page, and click "Edit this page". See Misplaced Pages:Your first article for more information--양복 01:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

John Reaves (talk) 01:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding errornous information on purpose

Dear Misplaced Pages authors and adminstrators,

I am here to report a user who keeps editing this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Assyrian_voice

He has edited so many times, it is beyond accetable now. I am the webmaster of the website about which the article was written. The information is correct, and it is basic information. But because he has a website that has started competing with mine, he keeps on editing the article and adding wrong stuff to it.

His IP is: 74.96.33.67 and you can see his IP on my website too.

Either:

-Ban his IP -Ban him from editing the article -Lock the article

I understand that you guys are watching over the articles of the entire earth, and I don't want to put even more on your plate. But this individual is doing this to many other entries, and that is a shame. Misplaced Pages is too good to be concerned with such individuals.

Thank You —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Assyrianvoice (talk • contribs) 02:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

I'll inform the editor that he needs to stop editing that page or risk a ban, but I don't think it would be wise to ban him without warning him first. GofG _|| Contribs 03:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

IBS

I am interested in finding out information about irritable bowel syndrome?

You might want to try out asking at the Science Reference Desk as the help desk is for questions about Misplaced Pages. You could also look at the article on Irritable Bowel Syndrome. GofG _|| Contribs 03:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

author requests deletion on behalf of subject

Some time ago, I posted an entry for another individual whom I felt merited a Misplaced Pages entry. The entry was tagged for deletion but after debate was kept alive. Since that time, other editors have substantially expanded the original entry. However, now the individual who is the subject of the entry has asked me to delete it for his/her own personal reasons. What can I do to ensure that the entry gets deleted? 71.210.212.187 03:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Nominate it for deletion at WP:PROD. If it survives, it is here to stay, unfortunetly :(. GofG _|| Contribs 03:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

If the article does not get deleted, you may want to see if the guidelines at WP:NPF and here can help.--Vbd (talk) 09:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• You can do a lot, but unless you can provide a reason within deletion policy, it probably won't work. We don't delete articles by request unless the subject is borderline notable or the entry contains a lot of disparaging information and even then, in the last case the page would probably be edited to fix it. Try Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy too - Mgm| 09:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

my IP is blocked and I have never done anything

I tried to change something for the first time and it said my IP was bocked and when I started reading more I found out that my IP address was abused by some user named Cplot; I would like to clear my IP address and be able to edit wikipedia; how do I go about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.84.187 (talk) 04:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

It might be due to having a dynamic IP or a shared IP. For more info, I suggest reading Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy.--TBCΦtalk? 06:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a dynamic IP and I don't have a shared IP; but I guess someone could be stealing it with wireless or even could be hooked up or maybe I have some type of trojan? should I reload windows and request IP change from my provider which I don't know if could be done? please help; am I a victim of stolen identity? 13:00, 6 March 2007 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.84.187 (talk • contribs)

It's unlikely that someone would go to the trouble of putting a trojan on your computer just to be able to post to Misplaced Pages from your IP address (you'd have to make some sort of mistake, such as downloading a doubtful file first). It's much more likely that at some time in the past, the IP address was assigned by your ISP to another user. Or that if you provide unsecured wireless access to nearby users, that someone took advantage of that. So no, there is no evidence that you're a victim of stolen identity.

What you should do is register for an account - see Misplaced Pages:Why create an account?. That will generally let you edit even though your IP (in and of itself) is blocked. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Bertrand Barere

hello,

i went to edit the first few lines of the entry but this part did not seem to be available to edit. why is that?

also, information about how to get a response here seems very unclear. i am on a public computer. when you say to go back to 'this page' for an answer, what is 'this page'? does this mean the help page? the page of the entry i am attempting to edit? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.176.213.219 (talk) 05:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

• Instead of clicking the section edit links, you need to enter the "edit this page" link at the top to edit the introduction section, or click the edit link of another section and manually change the section number to "0" in the URL. When it says "come back to this page" we refer to the page the instructions are on: the help desk. The page you visited to post this question. - Mgm| 09:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Stalker...!?

Ive used wikipedia since around May 2006 and i never had a problem, but it seems this certain Admin is stalking me. I looks at all my contributions and always reverts them, and always leaves me messages on my talk page and sometimes i feel lowered. just because im not an admin and i dont make corrections to his expectations. yeah i might be 19 but that does not make me stupid or foolish. i feel offended. i just wish he would leave me alone. he thinks everything i do is vandalism, but i have NEVER had this problem before. then the other night i was fixing a page that I created and i noticed it said sources but there was nothing there so i had removed it, and he said it was vandalism and he said one more bad edit and i would be blocked. i could not beleive it. Now he wants to put my article up for Deletion. there are thousands of schools part of wikipedia and i dont think it should be removed. i admit, its not that much notable, but if mine should be removed so should all of them that meet criteria. what should i do? thanks. a big wikipedia fan and contributor! Mcoop06 07:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• I've tried looking through your edit history, but I can't find the edits you are talking about. Could you please provide a WP:DIFF to where the admin reverted your edits? To me it appears you are unaware of some guidelines regarding for example schools (see WP:SCHOOL) and references. If an article has an empty section sources, that means the article is missing a vital ingredient that needs to be addressed to avoid deletion. If I were you I'd talk to the admin in question and ask them to drop you some links to pages with relevant policies and guidelines. Remember, the fact we have thousands of articles on schools doesn't mean we should keep all of them. It's not only the subject, the content counts for something too. - Mgm| 09:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

ok thank you, im trying to improve myself all the time to do better work here. I was just frustrated! probably because the article i had created was being taken from me, but im understanding a little more each and every day. thanks for your response! Mcoop06 09:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages deletes lots of articles, probably more than any other wiki. Misplaced Pages is a very specialized kind of wiki (WP:ENC), with an incredibly complex set of policies and guidelines (see: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Misplaced Pages) to trip up naive users. Misplaced Pages is also the most famous and visited wiki, so lots of people do their first wiki editing here. However, in some ways that's like starting out in the "big leagues." Many other wikis seem to have more relaxed rules for their content, they have fewer contributors, and a narrower topic focus. If you find a wiki that caters to school-related topics, you can probably write about your school there as much as you like. See List of wikis, search WikiIndex for school and education for a wiki that wants your content. --Teratornis 18:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

?

how can i register? where to search for music information?

• Registering can be done with the link in the top right hand corner of the page. As for the second question: Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, try typing the name of a music style, instrument or song/artist in the search engine to the left and hit enter to find it. - Mgm| 09:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Contact?

In any way,if I put a message on User:Jimbo 's talk page will he answer back?=oTrampton 08:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

His talk page has 500 edits in the last two days and he may not have time to answer everything. I don't know what you want to discuss but there may be better places, e.g. Misplaced Pages:Village pump. PrimeHunter 11:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Do I?

To adop,do I need to be a admin?Trampton

• Are you talking about WP:ADOPT? No, you don't need to be an admin, but to adopt other users you need to have some more Misplaced Pages experience (IIRC you are quite new). Why not offer yourself up for adoption by another Wikipedian first? - Mgm| 09:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Two simple questions from a Newbie

Hi! I have two questions:

A. I want to put my name on the list of the kindness campaign, but I cannot find its address. A fellow Wikipedian seems depressed, so a cup of tea would be appropriate to cheer him up.

B.I am suffering from mild editcountitis, (despite having been here just for three months!) Where can I check how many edits I have made?

With wikigreetings! -Tellervo 10:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• A) Just go to Misplaced Pages:Kindness Campaign/Participants and add your name to the list. You don't need to do it anyway. If you want to cheer someone up with a cup of tea, feel free to just do it. B) Try Interiot's edit counting tool, but remember it lags behind. - Mgm| 10:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • In general, for the second question, see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject edit counters. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

question about google link

I have changed the date of an artist's birthday as it was incorrect - however when I google him the Misplaced Pages link still has the incorrect date after his name. How do I get this to be changed too? Thank you - SD

sorry - forgot to fill in the subject headline. I want to change the date of an artist's birthday which is incorrect. I have edited the page but the change does not show up on the google link as i expected. Please can someone tell me how to make sure this change shows on the Misplaced Pages line that come up when this artist is googled. Thank you SD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sleepydormouse (talk • contribs) 10:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Google periodically revisits pages to see if they have changed. Your changes should show in Google then. Misplaced Pages has no control over when it happens. PrimeHunter 11:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

After looking around Google because of another editor's question, it seems that Google can be from one to two weeks 'behind'. That is, the 'cached' copy of the article that Google indexes and shows a brief copy of may not be refreshed until days after the your latest change.

For instance, type "site:en.wikipedia.org Hippolyte Delaroche" into the Google search line (well, best copy-n-paste it). When you hit search you'll see that Misplaced Pages article and a couple lines from the top of the article. But wait, see at the bottom of that entry, where it says "Cached - Similar pages"? Click on 'Cached', then look at what Google shows you. At the top of that 'cached' copy of the page it says "as retrieved on Feb 28, 2007 08:31:15 GMT." The copy of the page that Google is keeping is 6 days old!

Depending on the page, it might be a couple weeks before the change is 'noticed' by Google. Or merely a couple days. Paul Gauguin is 'important', so that cached copy is only two days old as I look right now. Shenme 11:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

hi

my computer has no sound..i can't hear anything,i think i delated any programme..please help me

Have you tried the Computing section of Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Misplaced Pages. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. --WikiSlasher 11:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

cant create a login account.

…tried countless times to create an account but it keeps telling me login name already in use. i love this website and would really love an account.–— —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.148.8.53 (talk) 12:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The problem is that the username that you want is already in use by someone else. You should try a different username. (It would get very confusing if two people had the same username!) --ais523 13:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

"this article has been tagged since..."

I am an educator, and trying to figure out how Misplaced Pages works. What does it mean, if an article has been "tagged"? I could find nothing about this in FAQs or by searching... Also, I am designing a research project to study the reliability of Misplaced Pages. How do I come in contact with someone who works at Misplaced Pages and can help us with this study?

Thanks, Lawrence Kirkendall Assoc. Prof. Biology, Univ. Bergen (Norway) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.177.182.225 (talk) 13:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The date goes with the tag. The tag is something which typically causes a box to appear, which indicates an editor feels the article needs improvement. Adding tags is an informal process; the date helps other editors judge urgency. If editing a page, you will usually see tags looking like this: {{nameoftag...}}. Notinasnaid 13:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, very few people actually work at Misplaced Pages. Why do you feel you need to contact one of them? Notinasnaid 13:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Cleanup tags are used to mark articles as being imperfect in certain specific ways, to attract the attention of editors and/or readers who could be able to fix the problem, and to warn readers that there may be a problem; see this list to see some of the cleanup tags available. For instance, the tag {{copyedit}} would put a message at the top of an article warning that it was in need of copyediting (e.g. it might have bad spelling, grammar, or style). As for contacting "someone who works at Misplaced Pages", hardly anyone works for the Wikimedia Foundation (it's mostly the work of unpaid volunteers like me), but you can see Misplaced Pages:Contact us for more information. --ais523 13:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone interested in joining the teeming ranks of Misplaced Pages researchers might read: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages in academic studies. But before performing yet another me-too Misplaced Pages study, perhaps consider researching something that fewer people are looking at, but which is arguably more important: the adoption of wiki technology by smaller organizations or user communities with more narrowly-defined goals, who currently know little or nothing about wikis. Imagine if the whole world worked as well as Misplaced Pages. After spending some time on Misplaced Pages, it's even harder than it was before to tolerate the comparative chaos and imprecision that plagues information exchange and collaboration in every other organization I have any experience with. (For example, how annoying is it now to see typographical errors I cannot easily correct? Or vague allusions to things which I could clarify by adding links, if it were only generally possible?) Obviously, the challenge before humankind now is to wikify everything which can be wikified. I challenge researchers to research that. For starters, every university (and earlier school) should have at least one wiki now, and make sure every student graduates well-prepared to join the modern world of efficient collaboration. Then each university could research and report on what their students are doing with wikis, both in school and after graduation. --Teratornis 17:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• You might want to contact User:Gmaxwell who is the Chief Research Coordinator for the Wikimedia Foundation. (a volunteer postition)--BirgitteSB 21:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Nesting

Is it possbile to creat nested wiki's.

I am working on a page where some information is already posted, I do not just want to place a link to the page, and I do not want to just copy that info and place it in my wiki as if the origanal gets updated, the other wikis will not.

Is is possible to display one wiki inside another? 24.114.2.40 14:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. A "wiki" is a large set of pages; for example, there are wikis on bicycling and on the programming language python. Misplaced Pages is a wiki, as is Wiktionary and Wikisource. So you wouldn't display an entire wiki inside one another.

If you're asking if it possible to link two pages within a single wiki so that if one page is updated, the other is as well, the answer is "yes", via transclusion. You'll find that described at Misplaced Pages:Transclusion and Misplaced Pages:Transclusion costs and benefits. This is rarely done with Misplaced Pages articles; it is the norm with RfAs and AfDs.

If you're asking about linking pages of two different wikis, I'd guess that would depend on whether interwiki linking has been enabled for the wikis in question. I very strongly advise against bringing outside content into Misplaced Pages via this method, because this causes accountability problems: it's impossible to see what the content of a page looked like in the past without looking at both articles, and if the source article is outside of Misplaced Pages, then the accuracy of the history of that source article depends people who haven't been named trusted editors (via RfA) here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

See mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding. I would guess this is only possible for a pair of user-controlled MediaWiki wikis. Disclaimer: I have not tried this "scary transcluding" feature. It would probably make using a wiki offline (as in a "wiki on a stick") more difficult, for example. --Teratornis 16:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, sorry that I was not clear enough on the description. transclution appear to be what I was looking for.

regards sir

respected sir im a student in a very well known college in bangalore and now we are facing a problem we require a quiz masterto conduct our business quiz so if u can plz send me the details it would be thankful my email id is —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.214.237.49 (talk) 14:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

It is quite unclear what you are asking, why you are posting to Misplaced Pages in general, and why you are posting to this page in particular. Misplaced Pages is an encylopedia. We do not offer any services, such as conducting a quiz (or creating one); this project is about writing encyclopedic articles.

You might (I'm doubtful) get some help locating what you want if you post at Misplaced Pages:Reference desk; please read the top section of that page before posting there, so you better understand what they do and don't do. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• Also, it's probably good to note there's also female people answering questions here, so not everyone can be addressed as sir. - Mgm| 16:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

moving page

how do I move a page? --MiddleEastern 16:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait four days after account creation. If it's an uncontroversial move, you can contact an admin. WP:RM is good, too. Xiner (talk, email) 16:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

My watchlist..

..doesn't work anymore, is it possible I killed it by watchlisting too many pages? I've never had this happen before, but then, I've never added 500 pages to my watchlist before, at least not all at once. --VectorPotential 17:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Mine's crashed too, so I don't think it's anything to do with that. --ais523 17:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, probably best to keep this centralized, Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)#Watchlist_stuck, especially with all our watchlists down (: --VectorPotential 17:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Disney Desserts

Does anyone know the name of the Disney ice cream treats that were once in the freezer section in the 1990's? I think it was "cool creations," but I am not sure. I was thinking this is the place that would best know the answer! 17:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --ais523 17:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion opinion

I believe List of pairs of colleagues is a good candidate for deletion since the criteria are extremely vague, but since I had one of my own articles speedily deleted about 2 microseconds after I created it, I'd like a second opinion. Clarityfiend 18:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't fit any of the speedy deletion criteria, as far as I can see, but it's a good candidate to be deleted via the prod or AfD processes. --ais523 18:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

How delete my account Misplaced Pages?

How do I delete my account in Misplaced Pages? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drakeja (talk • contribs) 18:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Misplaced Pages accounts cannot be delete as it does not comply with the GNU Free Documentation License in which wikipedia is based on, if you would like to change your username then please see Misplaced Pages:Changing Username. Thanks --Tellyaddict 18:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, take a look at m:Right to vanish if you want to leave Misplaced Pages. FrancoGG 18:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Bircham International University

Dear Misplaced Pages,

We have recently found your definition about Bircham International University. http://en.wikipedia.org/Bircham_International_University The definition currently posted is inaccurate, incomplete and misleading. I suggest that this definition is updated with a most accurate and precise content. First I will propose the definition and then I will provide the references and proofs in order to support the inaccurate leads detected. I thank you in advance for your time and I hope that you reconsider that this incorrect definition is quite damaging for our institution and it does not honor the commitment to accuracy and truth from an Encyclopedia

CORRECT DEFINITION ABOUT BIU:

Bircham International University is an independent institution of higher education that offers degree programs through distance learning for the adult professional student. BIU is a non accredited institution according to the USA accreditation standards (CHEA) and a provider of non formal higher education according to the Spanish Law. Its unaccredited degrees may not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and the use of its degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions, such as the States of Oregon, Maine or Texas.

INACCURATE DATA ARGUMENTS AND PROOFS

I also ask that any reference to Diploma Mill or Fraudulent school are taken away from the definition for the reasons, arguments and proofs provided below.

AACRAO AND SOME STATES CLASSIFICATION OF BIU

The Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization listed BIU as a degree mill in the past. BIU provided documentation and a review conducted by Alan Contreras from the Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization any negative definition of BIU was deleted. It is though listed correctly as not accredited school with no further comments, except an “F” which means Foreign institution. http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

AACRAO http://www.aacrao.org/international/consulting.cfm conducted a simple review of BIU legal status that lead to the incorrect statement posted by the State of Maine and Texas. The Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization who required this evaluation from AACRAO did not post the statement “Bircham is not accredited and it not authorized by the Spanish government” because it was explained to them by BIU. After detecting the the Misplaced Pages definition, BIU has taken the actions to get the Maine and Texas sites corrected the same way the Oregon Office did. We do not know how long this will take. First we have presented the same documents and proofs provided in this email to AACRAO who is the institution used by different States organism to verify foreign institutions. I understand that posing an inaccurate question or addressing the incorrect department in Spain may have lead AACRAO to this conclusion. Allow me to clarify that there are two types of higher education in Spain:

1. Formal Education leading to officially recognized degrees is monitored by the corresponding departments of education that ensure that the programs curriculum meet the standards set forth by the Ministry of Education. Completion of such homologated programs leads to an official degree.

2. Non-Formal Education (Educación no reglada) leading to non officially recognized degrees is monitored by the corresponding departments of consumer affairs that ensure consumer protection and quality of instruction delivery. Non formal education programs do not follow the Ministry of Education programs curriculum standards. Non formal education provides much more freedom in the program curriculum. Degrees granted after completion of non formal programs leads to a non official degree.

Bircham International University is a provider of non formal education and as such no further authorization form the Ministry of Education is required. The Ministry and Departments of Consumer Affairs monitors that BIU programs clearly state the non formal nature of the programs offered and the quality of instruction delivered. In 2004 a law was specifically approved on this regard. Before this law there was a disperse collection of norms and directives that could have lead the person conducting the AACRAO evaluation to the inaccurate and false conclusions stated above.

The applicable law is Decreto 84/2004 de 13 de Mayo. Enseñanza General. Quoting the law. It applies to private institutions that offer non formal education leading to non official degrees (...“los centros privados que imparten enseñanzas no dirigidas a las obtención de un título con validez oficial”...) You may read this law directly from http://gestiona.madrid.org/wleg/servlet/Servidor?opcion=VerHtml&idnorma=3480&word=S&wordperfect=N&pdf=S You may also verify other related laws at: http://gestiona.madrid.org/wleg/index.htm

Then you should download the PDF Documents called BIU Legal Docs and BIU Recognition on the top part of this link http://www.bircham.edu/pdfdownload/ This should provide documentary proof that neither AACRAO nor the States of Maine or Texas ever looked at while the Oregon State did look at. http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

The PDF called BIU Legal Docs provides copies of the following documents and much more:

- Copy of the Official Registrar of Companies authorizing the name Bircham International University College and the purpose of the company (objeto social): Higher education. - Copy of the Economic Activity License under paragraph 932.2 (Professional Education and Improvement) - Copy of the Office license for the activity Higher Professional Education - Copy of a certificate from the Spain National Distance Learning Association (ANCED) stating the european residents may legally work in Europe with a non official degree granted by BIU. - Copy of the Consumer Affairs Quality Seal granted by the Ministry of Consumer Affairs that guarantees that BIU meets the regulations set forth by the law Decreto 84/2004 de 13 de Mayo. Enseñanza General. mentioned above.

BEING NOT ACCREDITED IS NOT EQAL TO BEING A DIPLOMA MILL

BIU may be listed as a non accredited school but this is not equivalent to be defined as a fraudulent institution or diploma mill. Quoting Misplaced Pages definition of unaccredited institutions “According to the United States Department of Education, it is possible for postsecondary educational institutions and programs to elect not to seek accreditation but nevertheless provide a quality postsecondary education” http://en.wikipedia.org/School_accreditation

You are also welcome to visit BIU website at http://www.bircham.edu/ to gather for more information and find out if BIU meets the criteria to be classified as a diploma Mill. BIU is NOT a Diploma Mill. A diploma mill is an institution of higher education that grants degrees without ensuring that students are properly qualified. The following aspects will allow you to properly differentiate BIU from a Diploma Mill or any questionable school. http://en.wikipedia.org/Degree_mill

1. Legality: A diploma mill does not provide clear references about its legal status or authority to grant degrees. BIU does. Sometimes the school is based in countries that lack of any regulations in matter of education such as several Caribbean countries, some nations from Africa, or some States from the USA (Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri and Montana). A diploma mill often operates from another country through PO BOX addresses. Visit the About BIU section of BIU web for further explanations of BIU legal references. You may also download copies of BIU Legal Docs from the PDF Download area. http://www.bircham.edu/english/aboutbiu/

2. Contact offices: A diploma mill does not usually provide a physical or verifiable contact address or telephone. Any international structure is not real or just a group of commercial agents. There are no offices to visit or to call during office hours. BIU provides real addresses with real offices that may be visiet on working hours. Visit the BIU Offices to know worldwide contact details. http://www.bircham.edu/english/contactabiu.html

3. Admission & Fees. A diploma mill does not have a real admission process. Anybody is usually admitted into any degree program offered. Fees are negotiable and there is usually no criteria or regulations regarding any transfer of credits from previous education and professional experience. A diploma mill never offers a refund policy nor enforces any students rights or consumer protection. Visit the Admission section of BIU web to learn about our admission requirements, student rights and refund policy. http://www.bircham.edu/english/adm.html

4. Academic support. A diploma mill does not have a list of academics and staff. If there is a list, there will be no description of their educational qualifications. No detailed information about the content of the academic program is provided accurately or in detail. No learning methodology and teacher tutoring or counseling is available. There is never any academic feedback about any work submitted to the institution. Visit the Who We Are section of BIU web to know BIU Staff and academics. http://www.bircham.edu/english/graduados/ You may also download the Study Guide from the PDF Download area. http://www.bircham.edu/pdfdownload/

5. Recognition. A diploma mill does not provide clear information about recognition and accreditation. Any reference to third party accreditors is misleading, not sound and not verifiable. There is never a consumer protection guarantee such as the one that BIU provides. Visit the About BIU section of this web for further explanations of BIU recognition. http://www.bircham.edu/english/aboutbiu/ You may also download copies of BIU Recognition from the PDF Download area. http://www.bircham.edu/pdfdownload/

BIU is NOT a Diploma Mill. BIU web provides clear arguments against these issues. If you wish to verify further about any issue do not hesitate to ask or request additional documents.

CITYLINK ARTICLE “Bircham International University was referred to by a former DipScam federal agent as a degree mill.” http://www.citylinkmagazine.com/archives/101503coverstory.html

This article deals with several diploma mills and the whole business around it. It mentions BIU once through the opinion of one former BIU student (Hullender). Michelle Moultrie Hullender was granted admission into BIU on 4/11/2003. She was assigned to do several reports on several textbooks that she never submitted. On 10/27/2003 she request to withdraw from the program. BIU sent the corresponding Refund Form according to the student rights and refund policy. Michelle Moultrie Hullender never submitted any academic work so she ca not provide an accurate opinion about BIU programs of study. The Citylink article then provides a comment about Deric Bircham without even bothering to verify if Deric Bircham credentials are good or not. Deric Bircham full and detailed Biodata is available upon request. A short summary of the academic part of his background (The honors are not included here) may be read at http://www.bircham.edu/english/graduados/ Academic Board

BIU lawyers have contacted Citylink magazine in the past in order to demand a correction of this references. The answer from Citylink magazine and Jim Di Paola the wirter is that the article only express an opinion. If Misplaced Pages considers that an article of opinion is a fact, then we also request that the following references about BIU are added to the definition of BIU provided by Misplaced Pages. This definitions are factual references and not mere opinions:

AADP - American Association of Drugless Practitioners http://www.aadp.net/ APICS - Accademia per la Promozione Internazionale della Cultura e della Scienza http://www.apics.com/news.htm ABED - Associação Brasileira de Educação a Distância http://www.abed.org.br/ AHEA - Adult Higher Education Alliance http://www.ahea.org/about/institutions.htm ANCED - Asociación Nacional de Centros de Enseñanza a Distancia http://www.anced.es/centros.asp BLA - The British Learning Association http://www.british-learning.com/home.htm EDUCAUSE http://www.educause.edu IACET - International Association for Continuing Education & Training http://www.iacet.org/about/providers.asp IARC - International Accreditation & Recognition Council http://www.iarcedu.com/directory.aspx INC - Instituto Nacional del Consumidor http://www.consumo-inc.es/guiacons/interior/infpract/infpract.htm

ECBE - European Council for Business Education http://www.ecbe.eu/what-is-ecbe.php?page_id=7 ICA - International Communication Association http://www.icahdq.org/

AADP - American Association of Drugless Practitioners http://www.aadp.net/ AAMA - American Alternative Medical Association http://www.joinaama.com/ AHHA - American Holistic Health Association http://ahha.org/ahhameb.asp BCMA - The British Complementary Medicine Association http://www.bcma.co.uk/bcma_Spain.htm

AHP - Association for Humanistic Psychology http://www.ahpweb.org/aboutahp/hum_edu.html ATP - Association for Transpersonal Psychology http://www.atpweb.org SIOP - Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology http://www.siop.org

IACEE - International Association for Continuing Engineering Education http://www.iacee.org/academic.htm

QUACKWATCH Lists BIU as questionable non-accredited school Misplaced Pages provides a very accurate definition of Quackwatch http://en.wikipedia.org/Quackwatch BIU presented a report with all the course contents of our Natural Health Sciences programs for their review and evaluation. It is true that there is a lot of quackery in the Health Sciences Business but it is also true that there are good professionals and schools. I just refer the related links provided above. Quoting the answer received from Stephen Barrett, M.D. should be enough to prove the partial and obsesive personal war of this person has against all Natural Health Sciences. The question then is why Misplaced Pages considers such references as valid references for the definition of an academic institution.

Stephen Barrett, M.D. Email received on 02/12/03:

“I have been to your Web site, which, by the way, is one of the most poorly functional sites I have ever seen. The fact that you have a PhD program that offers to convey expert knowledge of iridology, homeopathy, and several other pseudosciences is enough for me to conclude that you teach nonsense. Sorry, but that's how I feel.”

Stephen Barrett, M.D. Board Chairman, Quackwatch, Inc. NCAHF Vice President and Director of Internet Operations P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105 Telephone: (610) 437-1795

Finally I want to thank you again for taking your time to get to the end of our request and kindly ask you to modify the definition of BIU as suggested. Do not hesitate to contact me at willy@bircham.edu if any additional information or dicuments are required. I have provided quick internet references to support BIU arguments but of course additional documents are available. I did not want though to overload this email with an excess of documents.

Regards

William Martin BIU Vicepresident & CEO Plaza Chueca 8, Madrid 28004, Spain (Email & Phone Number removed for privacy) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bircham (talk • contribs)

• You could try and edit Bircham International University yourself, as long as you're aware of WP:COI it shouldn't be too much of an issue--VectorPotential 18:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Helen K. Garber

I added references to the Helen K Garber page and would like to remove the no references message that is on top and asks to be removed when references are added. and can't see how to do it.

also, would like to add images to the titles of selected works and would like instruction on how to do it. thank you Helen K. Garber —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Helenkgarber (talk • contribs) 19:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

• Done, although you might want to read up on Misplaced Pages:Citing sources, specifically this section--VectorPotential 19:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• Come to think of it, seeing as how you seem to be Helen K. Garber, you might want to read WP:COI as well --VectorPotential 20:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Glacier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Can anyone think of a reason why this article attracts so many vandals? It seems like an odd amount of vandalism for an article that isn't on the front page--VectorPotential 19:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

High school kids. Same with Polar Bear and Charles Dickens <- hugely entertaining for some it seems. Xiner (talk, email) 19:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh wait, Colbert talked about the polar bear article on his show. I think he joked about glaciers in that White House video, but I have no idea if he keeps mentioning the topic on his show. Xiner (talk, email) 19:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There won't be any particular reason for this, it's probably just because a vandal may think of this to vandalise, I think it may just be because its a regularly edited article.Tellyaddict 19:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Whether to remove external links

I am about to start cleaning up the Fiber to the premises#United States section. The section has external links to commercial websites. Based on the conventions for external links to avoid (particularly number 13), it looks to me like I should remove these links and replace them with plain text. I am hoping that someone more familiar with Misplaced Pages can confirm or deny whether this is in fact a responsible approach. (And if not, how should I proceed instead?) Thanks! Riick 19:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

A less controversial approach, depending on the sentence in question, would be to replace the external links with Wiki links (I see that AT&T and SBC are linked to their Wiki pages, for example). Don't worry if it becomes a red link; that's acceptable. Of course, if the company is unlikely to become notable enough for an article, you can convert it into plain text. Just make sure you use edit summaries. Xiner (talk, email) 19:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Depending on how cautious you want to be, consider writing additional justification on Talk:Fiber to the premises, as edit summaries are occasionally too terse to make sense, particularly for deletions, or edits that change the functionality (such as turning links back to plain text). When you delete something, you are implying that whoever put the material there originally was wrong to do so. Maybe they weren't aware of the specific guideline you are citing, and some guideline pages are long with many sections, so it bears pointing out exactly which section someone violated. In any case, I fixed the link on SBC Communications which was pointing to the disambiguation page for SBC. (Three-letter acronyms tend to be ambiguous, so checking their links is a good idea.) --Teratornis 21:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Linking to a site

hello,

I am trying to put a link to an article about john coble, but get a message stating the link is blocked. I'm trying to link to suite 101.com.

can you tell me why the suite 101 is blocked and if it's possible to unblock it, so I can add my link?

Thanks.

christine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anniebfm7 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The site is most likely deemed unreliable and the subject of spam attempts by various authors. Please see our external links policy. Xiner (talk, email) 20:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Some discussion here. Notinasnaid 20:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

The incredibly long bank of information on the page about the "Pope" (the papacy) has been entirley replaced with the phrase "The pope is really felix debieux (not the cat)". The web address of the article is http://en.wikipedia.org/Pope —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.34.148.19 (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Please see WP:REVERT for how you can revert vandalism yourself. Thanks, and the article's been fixed. Xiner (talk, email) 21:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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