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:::OK, first, on the user name: It's not a random word, it's a word that's clearly associated with Best Price Computers Ltd, at bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk. In fact, there are thousands of pages in a Google search for that word ALL of which would lead you back to that company site. Poweroid is the only brand that company sells. And nobody can mistake that I'm associated with that company/do work for it. I intentionally use that user name here and I openly log in with that Poweroid name to edit. Have been doing it for years. I don't believe I've ever added a link to bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk.

:::I have edited, proofed or otherwise worked on over 50 sites in the last few years some of which are/were owned by that company or by other companies. Those sites include pcnineoneone.com (which has plenty of links from Wikipeddia, many from before I ever joined), graphic.org etc., etc. (I'll try and compile a full list if anyone's interested). I've often taken content from a site I'm familiar with and added it to a Misplaced Pages article with due acknowledgement to the source - whether I ever worked on that source site or not.

:::I believe I made a useful contribution yesterday to ], with a note in the Talk page prior to attempting further improvements. I notice that Ronz has removed a reference link to the experienced-people site on the article. Whatever s/he believes about the authority of the experienced-people site Yahoo claims that there are almost 3,000 other places that link to it, so obviously there are some, like abcnews.com who link to a particular article there, who think it's worth linking to. I notice also that the content from that source site is still on ] though the reference was removed. Just as with ]. VoIP happens to use an image and content from one of the source sites. I notice that the image is still in use here though the link to the site was removed.

:::I've edited probably thousands of articles in Misplaced Pages ranging from hundreds on Indian cities to articles ranging from pregnancy/medical to business management to foodstuffs/recipes, most of which I've found no reason to add links on. I admit I may not have read every single word of the rules here but if it is forbidden to ever quote from a site I've worked on in the past it will reduce my output considerably (as it would cut out a large chunk of topics I am familiar with) but I'm happy to comply. ] 14:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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    Suhayl Saadi (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Suhayl Saadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - I found this page while looking through WP:DEAD. The page history reveals a red-flag conflict of interest, i.e. the most active writer of the article is also the subject of the article. Normally I nominate such things on Afd, but I think he's notable enough to survive Afd. One possibility is to revert to the situation before he got involved, but that's really not as good: . I would appreciate notification on my talk page to any comment made here. // YechielMan 04:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

    Though this article appears largely written by its subject, it is not such a terrible article, and his work appears notable, judging from the prizes. The next step might be for someone to carefully look through all the online references to see if they appear correctly cited and to be sure he deserves his apparent reputation. The article itself has no critical comment, but it refrains from the advertising and promotional language that is sometimes seen when the subject is the author. EdJohnston 00:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

    RateItAll (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Could I get a third, or fourth, or etc pair of eyes on this. I've been keeping an eye best I can on this article RateItAll which is going through some serious clean up as there are some PoV issues, and reliable source issues that need cleaned up. In my process of checking sources, I found this mentioned in the official blog of the site Blog Entry where the person who's been heavily working on the article says "Go for it. Sign up with Misplaced Pages and sing the praises of the RIA!" and yet claimed on the articles talk page he was the most neutral person around. Anyway, some additional feedback would be appreciated as I'm keeping an eye on a lot of articles right now.--Crossmr 05:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

    We may still need more eyes on this. The main editor has again been shown to be encouraged by and recognized by the creator of the site, and he's failed to not only respond to questions about that, but fails to respond to any questions and just plugs ahead with edits, which include re-adding material which was removed for failing several policies.--Crossmr 06:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
    Actually we definitely need some additional eyes on this. Even when presented with the evidence of his being too close, self promoting and having a financial stake in it, he flat out denies any of it is "evidence". Talk:RateItAll#Conflict_of_Interest.--Crossmr 04:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    Here is the original posting at www2.blogger.com that was used to encourage editing of this WP article:

    Guys, GenghisTheHun is starting an entry for RateItAll in Misplaced Pages. Anybody who wants to contribute can do so here. I'm going to stay out of it, as I am so clearly biased, but anybody needing historical or factual data can feel free to ask me. Please be aware of Misplaced Pages's guidelines, and be respectful of the site's volunteers.

    This was posted by a member of that site named lawrence who might be the Lawrence Coburn who is the founder and CEO of the site.The wording of this announcement doesn't sound too bad, and I note that the recent edits by User:GenghisTheHun appear to be reasonable. Anyone who wishes may put in a word or two on Talk:RateItAll, since GenghisTheHun specifically asked how COI is interpreted on Misplaced Pages. Note that this article survived an AfD on 15 February. While the article could be better, it does have some reliable sources, and there were a number of additional sources found during the AfD that have not yet been added to the article. The recent edit history of the article seems fairly collegial, and the nominator of this COI, Crossmr (talk · contribs), removed two of the maintenance tags from the article on 2 March, suggesting that some of his concerns are being addressed. But Crossmr has argued (above) that GenghisTheHun is restoring material to the article that's contrary to our policies. I didn't look closely enough to have an opinion on that. EdJohnston 20:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    That material has since been removed and I think its staying out this time. The problem is if you look at that same blog post, we have an issue with GenghisTheHun misrepresenting himself. On the Rateitall talk page he says and I am about as neutral as one may get. However in response to the Blog post which the creator made, Genghisthehun says Sign up with Misplaced Pages and sing the praises of the RIA!. I'll admit I've only been here a year, but I'm pretty sure I've seen people more neutral than that. In addition to that his profile was added to the article at one point, by an IP which he's admitted as himself. I'd have been willing to let it go as an honest mistake if he hadn't just made about a dozen edits to the article under his username, then signed out and added his profile to the article as his IP. These are only minor warning signs on their own, but I feel the situation has been exacerbated by the fact that the creator of the website chose to participate in the AfD after stating he wasn't going to get involved, and Genghis has been shown to be a top ranked user of the site, and the creator has subsequently recognized him again for the work he's doing on the article. To me this puts him in a position of closeness to the site. This is only further worsened by the fact that the site does revenue sharing with its members based on their contributions and other factors. Any of these individually might not be that bad, but all coming from one person it bothers me.--Crossmr 20:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    Since the COI rules are not 100% precise, I'd be willing to accept GenhisTheHun's contributions if the end result is a good article that our readers find informative. At present there doesn't seem to be any criticism included in the article. I wonder if anyone knows of any negative information that could be fairly included. If Genghis were removing negative information that would be a red flag. EdJohnston 22:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    They're not precise no. However I think we need to realize that he is closer to the subject than probably any other editor outside of the creator of the website. At least from our point of view and what evidence we have. He's not even willing to acknowledge that all of those things put together could even be reasonably construed as the possibility of a conflict of interest. As far as criticism goes, it was placed in the article but I removed it simply because it was unsourced opinion, and seemed to consist mostly of original research. What arose was that I removed that content with explanation and during a several edit session he restored it without a single comment as to why (it was actually restored during the addition of other material). He seems to avoid communication unless it serves him at that moment. When the npov tag was put on the article he made the claim he was completely neutral, I countered that, and 2 weeks later another individual countered it as well with new evidence, but he wouldn't respond to either comment, until now because I raised it again in response to his wanting the maintenance tags removed from the article. Since this was first raised on February 10th and only now he responds to it with complete and utter denial that it might even be a possibility. I question the above with an editor who seems willing to just edit away with no real response to communication. He once again only communicated once it was nominated for AfD. Its a whole bunch of little things which are all piling up.--Crossmr 00:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

    Just as when the article was in trouble and up for AfD, when Genghisthehun is in trouble for a possible conflict of interest issue, the creator comes running to his aid . To me this clearly demonstrates a closeness beyond what is normal to the subject.--Crossmr 14:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

    Rkeditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Bumped into this user's contributions via Laetare Sunday, and noticed that all their edits consist of adding links to things on http://www.raisingkids.co.uk - maybe I'm making 2+2 = 5, but I reckon rkeditor = Raising Kids editor. I think this is being done with good intentions, never-the-less I've left a gentle warning (and a welcome message) on their talkpage, suggesting that in future they might first add the links on article talkpages to allow neutral editors to assess them. A few more pairs of eyes watching thier future contributions wouldn't go amiss. David Underdown 13:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

    Keep an eye on this. {{spam3}} would be the next stop, as this is obvious spamming. MER-C 08:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

    This editor made a delayed but cooperative response to MER-C's message, and does seem to be taking it to heart. They asked on Talk:Autism whether they could add their link at Autism. I replied there that their proposed link goes to a discussion forum, therefore is disapproved by WP:EL. EdJohnston 02:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

    I removed the link to raisingkids.co.uk placed in the Fulla article (redundant); left in place the linked interview at Tanya Byron which seemed worthwhile. EdJohnston 01:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

    Adam Jones (Canadian scholar) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - I'm fairly sure the single purpose editor Adam63 (talk · contribs) is the subject. I don't know enough about the subject to really check it someone else might want to go through and see if its okay.--Crossmr Iamunknown 06:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
    • And even though I directed the editor to the conflict of interest page he's continued to edit the article. Its clearly a single purpose account solely used for editing that article and the related article of gendercide, which points to a very high probability of it being the subject.--Crossmr 00:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    Farm Sanctuary and Gene Baur

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    * MichaelBrock (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Explanation

    This is a sock/meat puppet army organized by the organization Farm Sanctuary.

    GingerGins's involvement is someone else's hunch that was sent to me in private e-mail. I do not necessarily include her but she is a mostly single purpose account on the same issues and she appeared under suspicious timing. It is entirely reasonable on circumstantial evidence that she may be editing independent of the FarmSanctuary socks, but still has her own socks and is doing the same edits the Farm Sanctuary socks.

    Two of the IP addresses are directly related to GingerGin: 70.109.119.191, 66.74.212.163. These accounts made fairly silly edits to her talk page, then went on to repeat a revert performed by GingerGin (who admits to revert counting to game 3RR).

    user:FarmSanctuary used to have a user page stating they worked for Farm Sanctuary. user:Brooklyn5 used {{Db-owner}} on the user pages for the FarmSanctuary user and admitted it was a role account for the organization. While having their userpages deleted, they asked to have their username changed, so they were intent on returning.

    This morning user:Winchester1962, user:Sieveking, and user:Vladivostock showed up to edit the Farm Sanctuary/Gene Baur pages. SieveKing created a userpage and claims to have been a Misplaced Pages editor since 2005, with the first contribution as this morning. Similarly, Vladivostock removed a Welcome template from the talk page insisting he has been here for three years, first edit this morning. All three of the accounts engaged in the same edits: removing SOURCED negative information from the Gene Baur/Farm Sanctuary articles.

    The rest of the IP addresses are simply doing the same exact edits as User:FarmSanctuary, etc. Removing sourced negative information, often within minutes of the named users.

    An older account, User:ApisMeli, was probably a young intern/volunteer at the organization several months ago and isn't involved in the latest edit war. It would be interesting if it shows up again.

    SchmuckyTheCat 23:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
    I can verify a unique editing habit of User:Winchester1962 and User:Sieveking that proves it is the same as User:FarmSanctuary SchmuckyTheCat 00:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
    Have you considered filing a request for checkuser at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser? --Iamunknown 05:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
    Yes. Though the circumstantial evidence here is overwhelming. It is legit that User:FarmSanctuary needed a new name, but to morph into two is not. SchmuckyTheCat 15:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

    Update: User:SchmuckyTheCat posted this issue at WP:ANI. He's using the list of sockpuppets displayed here as a reference for that report. In response, User:Isotope23 protected both Farm Sanctuary and Gene Baur here and indicated that a full review would occur. I assume he's taking charge of that, and that all we need to do on this noticeboard is to keep the issue open until the list of socks no longer needs to be displayed. See SchuckyTheCat's Checkuser request.EdJohnston 16:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

    Checkuser still pending... MER-C 10:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

    Campusj (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Campusj (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) - article created by Steveniweiss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) whose name is the same as the editor-in-chief of the CampusJ website/newspaper. ju66l3r 23:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

    Obvious corporate vanity, so tagged. MER-C 04:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
    Fashion – Resolved/withdrawn – 09:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    The following is an archived debate of the possible conflict of interest related to the article above Please do not modify it.

    Fashion (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Julia14 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    This is more a user than one article. User:Julia14 has been adding various celebrity clothing lines and spam fashion links to articles, I think they might be a press person trying to drum up business. Not sure this is the right place, AIV said to list it here --AW 19:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

    She is claiming to be a new user, so maybe not. She learns really fast, however. --AW 20:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
    Checking her contributions I don't see any clear evidence of a CoI. Looks to me more like whatever is the fashion equivalent of fancruft. If somebody showed up and added short paragraphs about Pokemon-themed restaurants to ten articles about cities, would we automatically assume that he or she was a press person trying to drum up business? I hope not. (However, please don't let there actually be such a thing as Pokemon-themed restaurants....) –Henning Makholm 03:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    The first few were all from the same website, but since she has branched out. I consider this one closed --AW 17:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    The above is an archived debate of the possible conflict of interest related to the article above. Please do not modify it.


    Lennie Lee (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Lennie Lee (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), a South African artist, is openly autobiographical. I have run into it accidentally while doing disambiguation and do not have the time right now to check it for notability and verifiability. Sam Blacketer 12:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

    Its history looks fine until recent anon edits by 80.41.10.175 converting it all to first-person. I've reverted it to the previous version. Tearlach 14:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
    Searches for the "Rich and Famous Gallery" + London + "Lennie Lee" (the article claims he founded it) yielded only wikipedia and wikipedia echoes. — Athænara ✉ 08:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    Andy Miah (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    I have just re-edited the article, removing a great deal of puffery. I have also explained to the ed. the need for 3rd party sources. DGG 02:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

    Peniel Pentecostal Church (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

     Confirmed. Absolutely. As for Tell The Thruth (talk · contribs), we need a checkuser for that and we're not likely to get one yet. MER-C 04:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

    However, the article could do with some references, so tagged. MER-C 04:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
    Article now fairly comprehensively referenced (two references still required). Tag removed. Mauls 18:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

    There is a lot of spin going on here because I fixed the article after it was marked for speedy deletion do to the fact that much of the content was removed for being overly critical and now the opposite is true with all the critical links being removed and replaced with pro-Reid sites.--JEF 18:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

    82.153.51.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (ie Peniel Church) just reverted again, twice, adding promo and removing ref'd criticism. Reported to WP:ANI. Tearlach 18:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
    And blocked for 24 hours. I hope this clue-by-four works. MER-C 07:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    Tell The Thruth (talk · contribs) seems set on removing critical material, 09:05 UTC 6 March 2007, 10:08 UTC 6 March 2007, 10:12 UTC 6 March 2007, and again blanking the talk page 10:13 UTC 6 March 2007. Given that this involves living people in the shape of Bishop Reid, is this really the right venue? Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    Maybe WP:BLP is more the place for it. It's a bit Catch-22: unreferenced is unnacceptable, but the hostile tone of UK press coverage makes supplying references, even citation for uncontroversial background, look like a hatchet job. OTOH repeated page-blanking isn't acceptable conduct. Cluebat time anyhow: User:Tell The Thruth just hit three reverts today. Tearlach 13:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    And there's the fourth. I wouldn't bother with 3RR yet, as I have issued a final warning and we can get the block with less bureaucracy. MER-C 11:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    Steven Hassan (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    There is a conflict of interest in the criticism section of this article. A member removed an RS for reasons other than Misplaced Pages policies. The citation is a university professor with a Ph.D and one of that RS's papers was cited. He is claiming it is coming from a fringe group. COI occurs because he simply does not like the group because it does not coincide with his opinions — Preceding unsigned comment added by John196920022001 (talk • contribs) 2007-03-04T00:11:24 (UTC)

    Which editor do you think has a conflict of interest, and what do you think the conflict is? Bear in mind that not every content dispute is a COI. Merely holding an opinion about the subject of an article does not in itself a COI either. –Henning Makholm 03:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

    Cofftea (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    3 things...

    1. Cofftea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is made-up rubbish.
    2. The Cofftea section in Yuanyang (drink) shouldn't be there, as I explained at Talk:Yuanyang (drink)
    3. Am I being overly paranoid to think WP:COI prevents me deleting Cofftea?

    Angela. 03:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

    1) I don't know if it is entirely made-up rubbish, but it certainly looks like something that would snowball through an AfD for lack of sourceable notability. 3) Which conflict of interest do you have? None is obvious, even after skimming your user page. If you have nothing specific to disclose, I'd be more worried about the lack of an unambiguously applicable CSD; why not just prod it? –Henning Makholm 03:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    My possible COI is explained here. The article is on Wikia, as a semi-parody, so it could come across that I want it deleted here so people can only read it at Wikia, but I don't regard things people make up about Cofftea as encyclopedic. Everyone who ever mixed coffee and tea thinks they invented it, which is exactly what the author of Misplaced Pages's cofftea article is claiming. Angela. 07:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    You can't prod internet memes, unfortunately, as the tag won't stick. MER-C 03:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    Cofftea isn't an internet meme. Angela. 07:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    I can at least try (so done). For a freshly created page I agree that it would be futile, but this one is a month old, and its creator has no contributions since then. –Henning Makholm 04:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    Yes. Make it disappear, as it is practically speediable. MER-C 03:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

    Clouds Blur the Rainbow (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    • Clouds Blur the Rainbow (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is being edited by BabyDweezil, an uncritical supporter of the individuals and groups criticized in this report, which I wrote. The same user, BabyDweezil, has a long history of personal attacks and repeated POV edits that demonstrate a clear conflict of interest. Some of the material being added is simply false, and based on the marginal and frequently distorted writings by members of a political cult similar to (and at one point connected to) the Lyndon LaRouche cult. Among the other pages subject to this type of editing by BabyDweezil are Fred Newman, Lenora Fulani, New Alliance Party, Social Therapy, International Workers Party. I understand that it is appropriate that critical opinions about the report Clouds Blur the Rainbow be included on its entry page, but what is happening here is wildly POV, unbalanced, and sometimes just false. It is time to consider banning BabyDweezil from editing any pages related to this cult, just as some pro-LaRouche editors have been banned for being unbable to abide by basic Misplaced Pages guidelines.--Cberlet 03:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Chip, basic Wikicourtesy would dictate that you notify me of this noticeboard posting rather than (or at least in addition to) obliquely canvassing surefire supporters of the action.
    That said, I challenge Cberlet or anyone else to point to anything in the above articles that is "wildly POV, unbalanced, or false." The fact is, these often contentious articles have been collaborative efforts between editors with different viewpoints, and the results have been a relative semblance of balance. It seems, historically, that Cberlet files protests such as this one precisely at those moments when his own demonstrably minority POV on the above subjects ceases to dominate. I won't waste the space here to document the reality of his POV being decidedly a minority one (not to mention likewise demonstrably riddled with bias and unprofessional research methodology) but would be happy to if needed. Nor do the claims of someone who consistently refers to editors with a different opinion than his own minority one as "cult apologists" "totalitarians" and "Orwellian sanitizers" and worse need a response re: "personal attacks."
    The irony of Cberlet's posting this cannot go uncommented upon. Chip Berlet has been for a quarter century a paid propagandist for Political Research Associates, a thoroughly partisan organization that largely devotes itself to issuing attack reports against groups that do not fit its particular view of of the world, be they on the right or in some instances, as with those above, on the left. PRA specializes in labeling and guilt by association (as evidenced above by Berlet's Larouche-baiting, based on a brief relationship Newman had with the long since noxious Larouche 30 years ago). The notion that a paid partisan like Chip Berlet should remain able to run roughshod over countless articles with which he has a true conflict of interest AND attempt to ban(!!) points of view contrary to his own is simply too absurd to comment on beyond simply stating it. Personally, I have no problem whatsoever with Chip, or Dennis King or others with clear COI's from being involved, in fact I welcome their input and--them being long-time spooks and all--value the resources they have filed away. Over and out-- BabyDweezil 23:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
    User:BabyDweezil has been indefinitely blocked. Tearlach 19:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

    Transcendental Meditation (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Transcendental Meditation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) et alia (Maharishi Vedic Science, Maharishi Ayurveda, Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, TM-Sidhi program, John Hagelin, Natural Law Party, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, ...) - These articles are being dominated by editors with various connections to the TM organization. Nearly any attempts at NPOVing result in reversion, and critical sources are being relegated to minor articles on specific subtopics so that the main articles are free from criticism. TimidGuy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), one of the major editors, admitted on the TM talk page that he is paid faculty of the "Maharishi University of Management", Sparaig (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) admitted to being a TM practitioner of over 30 years, and has previously removed information in the article that "interferes with the normal business practices of the TMO ", and many of the other editors seem like they may have COI problems. Of course, they are all very polite, but that doesn't mean that they aren't simply reverting critical edits with "let's discuss this on the talk page" (where they can then overwhelm us, or delay us indefinitely), or that they aren't gradually removing all critical information, making the critical information so convoluted as to be unreadable, and moving much of the criticism to minor articles on small subtopics. // Philosophus 00:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC) I've looked around a bit more, and found that Littleolive oil (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is or was also paid faculty at the Maharishi University of Management, and Roseapple (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is another identified TM practitioner. --Philosophus 00:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

    George Deutsch (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Labrador retriever (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)


    161.253.31.15 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 161.253.25.226 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are continually adding a section advertising the GW College Dems. In one case they used "we" to describe the group, and the only edits both have made are to that page. The section has been removed numerous times by different editors AW Scruggs Katrina Group (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)

    Obvious corporate vanity. It needs to disappear. So tagged. MER-C 08:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    User blocked for having a commercial username. MER-C 11:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    Taborah (history|Watchlist this article|unwatch)


    Poweroid (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    I asked this editor to disclose any coi's he might have with some of the external links he's used , but now that I see he's been doing this since October, 2004 , I feel I'm in over my head.

    Possible coi because:

    • poweroid.com redirects to www.bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk/poweroid/
    • poweroid.co.uk redirects to www.bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk/
    • bestpricecomputers.co.uk is the same company
    • experienced-people.co.uk appears to be run by the same admin

    I've removed links from the following articles, found from Poweroid's edit history:

    External links to bestpricecomputers:

    External links to experienced-people:

    I'm guessing there are many more considering how long he's been editing. --Ronz 05:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

    You're wrong, surprisingly. See Special:Linksearch/bestpricecomputers.co.uk, Special:Linksearch/experienced-people.co.uk, Special:Linksearch/poweroid.com and Special:Linksearch/poweroid.co.uk. MER-C 09:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    Whoa! Whoa! I'm in the middle of something but give me a few seconds and I'll comment in full. Poweroid 13:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    OK, first, on the user name: It's not a random word, it's a word that's clearly associated with Best Price Computers Ltd, at bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk. In fact, there are thousands of pages in a Google search for that word ALL of which would lead you back to that company site. Poweroid is the only brand that company sells. And nobody can mistake that I'm associated with that company/do work for it. I intentionally use that user name here and I openly log in with that Poweroid name to edit. Have been doing it for years. I don't believe I've ever added a link to bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk.
    I have edited, proofed or otherwise worked on over 50 sites in the last few years some of which are/were owned by that company or by other companies. Those sites include pcnineoneone.com (which has plenty of links from Wikipeddia, many from before I ever joined), graphic.org etc., etc. (I'll try and compile a full list if anyone's interested). I've often taken content from a site I'm familiar with and added it to a Misplaced Pages article with due acknowledgement to the source - whether I ever worked on that source site or not.
    I believe I made a useful contribution yesterday to Web site, with a note in the Talk page prior to attempting further improvements. I notice that Ronz has removed a reference link to the experienced-people site on the article. Whatever s/he believes about the authority of the experienced-people site Yahoo claims that there are almost 3,000 other places that link to it, so obviously there are some, like abcnews.com who link to a particular article there, who think it's worth linking to. I notice also that the content from that source site is still on Web site though the reference was removed. Just as with VoIP. VoIP happens to use an image and content from one of the source sites. I notice that the image is still in use here though the link to the site was removed.
    I've edited probably thousands of articles in Misplaced Pages ranging from hundreds on Indian cities to articles ranging from pregnancy/medical to business management to foodstuffs/recipes, most of which I've found no reason to add links on. I admit I may not have read every single word of the rules here but if it is forbidden to ever quote from a site I've worked on in the past it will reduce my output considerably (as it would cut out a large chunk of topics I am familiar with) but I'm happy to comply. Poweroid 14:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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