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===Talk Page===
Hey since I get yelled at when I delete anything, can you check the talk page of NMcG?
There are posts there implying that we threatened to sue wiki, which is not the case. I merely sent a lucid, professional, mature request via email to wiki it investigate the matter and it turned out wiki does have policies in regard to the situation.
Thanks
Trish



===Sigh===
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Nigel_McGuinness&action=history
Bunkey

==Understood==
Thanks. Have a good weekend. :) Bunkey
==user info==
Just had to change TJ_Spyke's page. He refuses to give up the fight. Blocking?
Bunkey

===Hey!===
Please view the discussion page of the article and see TJ_Spyke's method of trying to cause more trouble!!!
Bunkey

==URGENT===
Please lock http://en.wikipedia.org/Nigel_McGuinness . They are reverting it again.


===Thank You for the help===

In regard to OTRS ticket #2006092210008209. Could you delete the history for today too? I really appreciate it.
If you'd like to email me trishbunkey at yahoo dot com if you have any questions so I can help you with anything you may need.
Thanks so much!!
User-TrishBunkey





==More threats by Lar== ==More threats by Lar==
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Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:DPeterson" Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:DPeterson"


Since it does not belong in that section. I ask again, Why don't you agree to mediation? I believe you continue to abuse your admiin privl. Furthermore, more than 3 have commented. regards. <font color="Red">]</font><sup>]</sup> 01:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Since it does not belong in that section. I ask again, Why don't you agree to mediation? I believe you continue to abuse your admiin privl. Furthermore, more than 3 have commented. regards. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
:You may not tell me not to edit your talk page, when you have specifically accused me of abuse in the AMA request. ] 01:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC) :You may not tell me not to edit your talk page, when you have specifically accused me of abuse in the AMA request. ] 01:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


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"I do believe the See also section belongs here and so do other editors. I do not think that as an admin AND A PARTY to an ongoing dispute you should be using your admin priv as you are...however, if I am wrong, I will certainly apologize for holding a mistaken belief and will change my thinking accordingly. I really would like to resolve this dispute in an collaborative manner. I think that is possible and would like to work to that end. I see mediation of a path to that end." "I do believe the See also section belongs here and so do other editors. I do not think that as an admin AND A PARTY to an ongoing dispute you should be using your admin priv as you are...however, if I am wrong, I will certainly apologize for holding a mistaken belief and will change my thinking accordingly. I really would like to resolve this dispute in an collaborative manner. I think that is possible and would like to work to that end. I see mediation of a path to that end."


So, the section belongs there and as a party to the dispute who is an admin I think you abused your status. Once the protection is lifted, then either you, me, or another editor can replace the See also section. We should follow process. I urge you, again, to reconsider and accept mediation. Will you? As a show of good faith? <font color="Red">]</font><sup>]</sup> 01:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC) So, the section belongs there and as a party to the dispute who is an admin I think you abused your status. Once the protection is lifted, then either you, me, or another editor can replace the See also section. We should follow process. I urge you, again, to reconsider and accept mediation. Will you? As a show of good faith? ]<sup>]</sup> 01:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


== RV your talk Page == == RV your talk Page ==
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This statement about harmful treatment practices is completely consistent with ACT's own statements on harmful practices, as described on their web site. http://www.childrenintherapy.org/ They are both concerned with the same thing. So as a replacement for the disputed paragraph stating that ACT is not part of the "mainstream," it may be worth citing to the above paragraph and noting that ACT's positions "are consistent with those of the American Psychiatric Association." ] 20:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC) This statement about harmful treatment practices is completely consistent with ACT's own statements on harmful practices, as described on their web site. http://www.childrenintherapy.org/ They are both concerned with the same thing. So as a replacement for the disputed paragraph stating that ACT is not part of the "mainstream," it may be worth citing to the above paragraph and noting that ACT's positions "are consistent with those of the American Psychiatric Association." ] 20:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


:Excellent. The fact that the APA does not cite ACT, but does cite many other groups and sources adds further support to the statements that represents consensus on the talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC) :Excellent. The fact that the APA does not cite ACT, but does cite many other groups and sources adds further support to the statements that represents consensus on the talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


== Administrators Should Set Example and follow Misplaced Pages standards == == Administrators Should Set Example and follow Misplaced Pages standards ==
When I copied the material, there was a lot and I made an error in not getting it all copied. It seems that every time you add a comment to the request for unprotection of ] the section gets moved to completed, when there has, in fact been no review, except for your comments. I made a mistake. Assume Good Faith is an important principle among Misplaced Pages editors...I'd assume that as an administrator you would be even more careful about how you conduct yourself...especially when you are the one involved in the dispute and the only one...at least so far, according to the poll. regards.] <sup>]</sup> 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC) When I copied the material, there was a lot and I made an error in not getting it all copied. It seems that every time you add a comment to the request for unprotection of ] the section gets moved to completed, when there has, in fact been no review, except for your comments. I made a mistake. Assume Good Faith is an important principle among Misplaced Pages editors...I'd assume that as an administrator you would be even more careful about how you conduct yourself...especially when you are the one involved in the dispute and the only one...at least so far, according to the poll. regards.] <sup>]</sup> 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:I have nothing at all whatsoever to do with the movement - it is handled by an automatic script program. The request has been seen by numerous administrators and none have seen fit to unprotect it. Thus you can safely assume that moving it up over and over and over again will not do anything to change that. Yes, I don't assume good faith of you, because you're asking that I be blocked. That is not in any way, shape or form a good faith action. ] 22:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC) :I have nothing at all whatsoever to do with the movement - it is handled by an automatic script program. The request has been seen by numerous administrators and none have seen fit to unprotect it. Thus you can safely assume that moving it up over and over and over again will not do anything to change that. Yes, I don't assume good faith of you, because you're asking that I be blocked. That is not in any way, shape or form a good faith action. ] 22:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
You are the only one who started and continued the "edit war." You have not acted in a manner consistent with your status as an administrator. You have side-stepped and ''''refuse to participate in mediation''''; you engage in refusal to assume good faith, and you have misused your administrative rights. your refusal to participate in mediation, and follow Misplaced Pages policies and practices really is in appropriate for an administrator...you do not set a good example as an administrator should. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC) You are the only one who started and continued the "edit war." You have not acted in a manner consistent with your status as an administrator. You have side-stepped and ''''refuse to participate in mediation''''; you engage in refusal to assume good faith, and you have misused your administrative rights. your refusal to participate in mediation, and follow Misplaced Pages policies and practices really is in appropriate for an administrator...you do not set a good example as an administrator should. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:I have started the "edit war" because you and others continue to push clearly inappropriate, biased and unsourced attacks on an organization into that organization's article. I have the weight of Misplaced Pages policy on my side, and that's pretty much the end of the story. There's no need for "mediation" - if you wish, I will take this matter directly to the Arbitration Committee - I have little doubt that they will quite correctly see this as a basic matter of reliable and verifiable sourcing not being present. I have made numerous requests for any reliable source which makes the arguments you are pushing, and each time nothing of substance has been offered. Sorry, but I won't be driven off by your accusations. ] 23:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC) :I have started the "edit war" because you and others continue to push clearly inappropriate, biased and unsourced attacks on an organization into that organization's article. I have the weight of Misplaced Pages policy on my side, and that's pretty much the end of the story. There's no need for "mediation" - if you wish, I will take this matter directly to the Arbitration Committee - I have little doubt that they will quite correctly see this as a basic matter of reliable and verifiable sourcing not being present. I have made numerous requests for any reliable source which makes the arguments you are pushing, and each time nothing of substance has been offered. Sorry, but I won't be driven off by your accusations. ] 23:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
And those sources have been provided, but you don't seem to accept them; although several other editors find the sources reputable and adequate.<font color="Red">]</font><sup>]</sup> 20:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC) And those sources have been provided, but you don't seem to accept them; although several other editors find the sources reputable and adequate.]<sup>]</sup> 20:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:You have no sources to claim that ACT is not mainstream, or that they are not well-respected, or that the groups have taken no input from ACT. What we have is a general agreement that there are no statements from these groups about ACT. So we can say that. We can't say anything else. As for those "several other editors," they are all people recruited to work on this single issue, as even a cursory examination of their contributions will show. They do not constitute a "consensus" of Wikipedians in any way, shape or form. ] 21:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC) :You have no sources to claim that ACT is not mainstream, or that they are not well-respected, or that the groups have taken no input from ACT. What we have is a general agreement that there are no statements from these groups about ACT. So we can say that. We can't say anything else. As for those "several other editors," they are all people recruited to work on this single issue, as even a cursory examination of their contributions will show. They do not constitute a "consensus" of Wikipedians in any way, shape or form. ] 21:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


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==''''WARNING: VIOLATION OF 3RR''''== ==''''WARNING: VIOLATION OF 3RR''''==
You have violated the Misplaced Pages 3RR for ]. This is a warning. As an administrator you know this. A report has been made. you should be reported to some administrative board for conduct unacceptable for an administrator.<font color="Green">]</font><sup>]</sup> 21:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC) You have violated the Misplaced Pages 3RR for ]. This is a warning. As an administrator you know this. A report has been made. you should be reported to some administrative board for conduct unacceptable for an administrator.]<sup>]</sup> 21:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, no, I haven't violated ]. A quick check of the article history verifies that. Please do not make false accusations. Thank you. ] 21:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC) :Actually, no, I haven't violated ]. A quick check of the article history verifies that. Please do not make false accusations. Thank you. ] 21:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
::As I read the history, you have made over three reverts within 24 hours. <font color="Red">]</font><sup>]</sup> 23:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC) ::As I read the history, you have made over three reverts within 24 hours. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I made three reverts of the exact same material in 24 hours, and then ceased. I have not removed that section and will not do so until, at the very least, the 24hr period expires. ] 23:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC) :::I made three reverts of the exact same material in 24 hours, and then ceased. I have not removed that section and will not do so until, at the very least, the 24hr period expires. ] 23:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


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1. How does one lodge a formal complaint against an admiinstrator? 1. How does one lodge a formal complaint against an admiinstrator?
2. Why won't you engage in mediation? 2. Why won't you engage in mediation?
<font color="Red">]</font><sup>]</sup> 23:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC) ]<sup>]</sup> 23:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:There is no violation going on. Every contentious statement must be sourced and cited. Please again re-read ] for details. ], ] and ] are the inviolable basis for all of Misplaced Pages. ] 23:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC) :There is no violation going on. Every contentious statement must be sourced and cited. Please again re-read ] for details. ], ] and ] are the inviolable basis for all of Misplaced Pages. ] 23:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


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I think it'd be a lot cleaner and more compact. Remember, for people running resolutions around 1024x768, charts like this get squished. Also, listing multiple sponsers vertically instead of in a list would help, just use <nowiki><br></br></nowiki>. Anyway, just a suggestion. ] 05:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC) I think it'd be a lot cleaner and more compact. Remember, for people running resolutions around 1024x768, charts like this get squished. Also, listing multiple sponsers vertically instead of in a list would help, just use <nowiki><br></br></nowiki>. Anyway, just a suggestion. ] 05:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
:Capital idea! Great suggestion, thank you! ] 06:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

== Nigel McGuinness ==

I don't normally look on talk pages and the edit summary didn't say why you removed his publicly available name. Why was it removed? His name is publicly available and is therefore fair use. I see no reason to remove it. 20:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:The edit summary said "rm realname per ] ticket #2006092210008209" - the ticket in question being an e-mail complaint to the Wikimedia Foundation from a representative of Mr. McGuinness, a ], complaining about their biography. It is Misplaced Pages ] that we treat such complaints and requests with the utmost urgency and with the presumption that the complaint is valid. I quickly scanned the available sources and found no evidence that Mr. McGuinness' real name is widely known or publicly used. In such cases, it is not Misplaced Pages's job to report what is not already generally known about a person. ] 20:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::He made his name publicly available when he decided to trademark his ring name, that means it's available to the public and is verifiable. I think it hurts the credibility of Misplaced Pages to remove his name from the article. How long until it is put back in? Keeping it out is censorship and WP is supposed to be against censorship. ] 20:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Keeping it out is consistent with our being respectful encyclopedists, not aggressive investigative journalists. I like being the latter, but Misplaced Pages is ] the place for it. If Mr. McGuinness' real name was at all associated with his fame, or was previously wide public knowledge, I would agree that it should be included. But because it is not, and has not been, public, Misplaced Pages is ] interested in revealing facts heretofore unknown. We are an encyclopedia, not a gossip column. ] 21:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::How can I be blocked for putting that on my userpage? I don't see any rules against that. ] 21:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::It's just escalating the situation, which is disruption. Just stop posting it. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

== WTF? ==

Why did you delete my userpage? And why should I not make a complaint against you? ] 21:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:You inserted personal information into your userpage in a deliberate effort to skirt an OTRS ] issue. You may not use your userspace for this purpose. ] 22:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::I did not know I couldn't put that on my userpage. I instead put a message telling people to MSN me if they want his real name. That's not a problem, is it? ] 22:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Contempt? He made his name available to the public, and i'm not putting his name out on this site. I know that some people want to know his name though and telling them how to get that info, that is not against the rules. ] 22:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
::::He did not "make his name available to the public" any more than you "made your name available to the public" by having a birth certificate in the public records of whatever county you were born in. ] 22:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::If I was noteworthy enough to have an article, then yes that would be acceptable. Public records are verifiable and acceptable to use to inform people. The only info I agree shouldn't be included is stuff like a person's home address and phone number. ] 22:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
== ] ==
Mind putting in the oversight request? I'm a little busy right now. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

== OTRS tickets? ==

Re: where you "rm false information per OTRS ticket #2006092410007573" ... I found ] and then ], but I didn't see any information on how one can look up a ticket# to find out the reason for the removal of the text. Any clues? Thanks. --] 12:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry, but you can't... OTRS tickets are viewable only by members of the ] team, as the e-mails often contain sensitive and private personal information. I can tell you that essentially, a relative of the person in question wrote us and said that the information was factually incorrect. Given the absence of sources for the information, I removed it immediately in keeping with our ]. ] 18:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
::Ok, thank you for further information. May I comment that it was a bit confusing being confronted with an unexplained abbreviation and a string of digits that the average user can't look up anywhere? I don't know what exactly to suggest that hasn't before; maybe wikilinking the OTRS in the edit summary to ] or ]? And/or keeping a running list of ticket numbers and a brief explanation of the associated email's contents, of course limited to, say, "relative of subject of article requested unsourced information be removed." Or would that not be worth the effort? --] 02:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
==BOT - Regarding your recent protection of ]:==
You recently protected this page but did not give a protection summary. If this is an actual (not deleted) article, talk, or project page, make sure that it is listed on ]. VoABot will automatically list such protected pages only if there is a summary. Do not remove this notice until a day or so, otherwise it may get reposted. Thanks. ] 23:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

== Another year wiser ==

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|align="center" width="100%"| ''''' Happy Birthday, '''FCYTravis''' '''''
It's just caught my attention you state you're a year older, so I thought I'd drop by and send you a small greeting to wish you a (belated?) happy birthday. <small>--] 01:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)</small>
|}
*Thanks for looking out for my Talk page (again)! ]\<sup>]</sup> 01:24, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

==David Asimov==
Hi, I've nominated ], a page you worked on, for deletion.I thought it polite to tell you.] 09:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

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Talk Page

Hey since I get yelled at when I delete anything, can you check the talk page of NMcG? There are posts there implying that we threatened to sue wiki, which is not the case. I merely sent a lucid, professional, mature request via email to wiki it investigate the matter and it turned out wiki does have policies in regard to the situation. Thanks Trish


Sigh

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Nigel_McGuinness&action=history Bunkey

Understood

Thanks. Have a good weekend. :) Bunkey

user info

Just had to change TJ_Spyke's page. He refuses to give up the fight. Blocking? Bunkey

Hey!

Please view the discussion page of the article and see TJ_Spyke's method of trying to cause more trouble!!! Bunkey

URGENT=

Please lock http://en.wikipedia.org/Nigel_McGuinness . They are reverting it again.


Thank You for the help

In regard to OTRS ticket #2006092210008209. Could you delete the history for today too? I really appreciate it. If you'd like to email me trishbunkey at yahoo dot com if you have any questions so I can help you with anything you may need. Thanks so much!! User-TrishBunkey



More threats by Lar

--SPUI (T - C) 15:34, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

He carried through.--SPUI (T - C) 16:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please do not edit my talk page

I have deleted your comment:

The abuse claim is ludicrous, and so is the poll. I added material to the protected page that DPeterson and his allies specifically requested to be added - I had previously objected to this material, but in a spirit of cooperation, agreed to disagree and replaced it per their wishes. This settled one of the problems under dispute - in DPeterson's favor. Would DPeterson rather I not have put it there? If so, why did DPeterson request that it be put back? The poll is equally absurd - it consisted of three people, including DPeterson, all of whom are DPeterson's editing allies on related pages. Such a "poll" clearly doesn't represent any sort of community consensus. I did not protect the page - it was done by a third-party admin at my request to stop the edit war. FCYTravis 01:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:DPeterson"

Since it does not belong in that section. I ask again, Why don't you agree to mediation? I believe you continue to abuse your admiin privl. Furthermore, more than 3 have commented. regards. DPeterson 01:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You may not tell me not to edit your talk page, when you have specifically accused me of abuse in the AMA request. FCYTravis 01:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Will you make a show of good faith and consider mediation?

I would like to see the See also section on the Advocates for Children in Therapy restored. I also think that as I said on the talk page for Advocates for Children in Therapy

"I do believe the See also section belongs here and so do other editors. I do not think that as an admin AND A PARTY to an ongoing dispute you should be using your admin priv as you are...however, if I am wrong, I will certainly apologize for holding a mistaken belief and will change my thinking accordingly. I really would like to resolve this dispute in an collaborative manner. I think that is possible and would like to work to that end. I see mediation of a path to that end."

So, the section belongs there and as a party to the dispute who is an admin I think you abused your status. Once the protection is lifted, then either you, me, or another editor can replace the See also section. We should follow process. I urge you, again, to reconsider and accept mediation. Will you? As a show of good faith? DPeterson 01:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

RV your talk Page

Before you freak out and wonder why I reverted your talk page, let me explain. An annon user (User:67.172.128.217) added nonesence to your talk page, then blanked it. I have given him a removing content warning. The three edits he made are the only ones the ip has made, so it might be an experienced user. -Royalguard11 03:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Your vote

Please see the comment made at . Your vote, "per Rschen7754", was made on the choice at the time that C2 was too vague and C3 was too long. C2 at the time of his writing was KY X, and C3 detailed out the primary/secondary/supplemental route name - both of which were not meant to go on the page and were therefore struck out after he made his vote.

I hope you will take the time to reconsider between the two presently available options and ignore what is now struck out in Rschen7754's comment - done to prevent future confusion. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

In Case You Are Interested

Re: the dispute on the Advocates for Children in Therapy page, thought you might be interested in this Position Statement by the American Psychiatric Association on Reactive Attachment Disorder. It is stated there:

"While some therapists have advocated the use of so-called coercive holding therapies and/or “re-birthing techniques”, there is no scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of such interventions. In fact, there is a strong clinical consensus that coercive therapies are contraindicated in this disorder. And unfortunately, as recent events attest, such unproven and unconventional therapies can also have tragic consequences."

http://www.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/200205.pdf#search=%22%20%22attachment%20disorder%22%20site%3Apsych.org%22

This statement about harmful treatment practices is completely consistent with ACT's own statements on harmful practices, as described on their web site. http://www.childrenintherapy.org/ They are both concerned with the same thing. So as a replacement for the disputed paragraph stating that ACT is not part of the "mainstream," it may be worth citing to the above paragraph and noting that ACT's positions "are consistent with those of the American Psychiatric Association." BigTop100 20:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. The fact that the APA does not cite ACT, but does cite many other groups and sources adds further support to the statements that represents consensus on the talk page. Dr. Becker-Weidman 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Administrators Should Set Example and follow Misplaced Pages standards

When I copied the material, there was a lot and I made an error in not getting it all copied. It seems that every time you add a comment to the request for unprotection of Advocates for Children in Therapy the section gets moved to completed, when there has, in fact been no review, except for your comments. I made a mistake. Assume Good Faith is an important principle among Misplaced Pages editors...I'd assume that as an administrator you would be even more careful about how you conduct yourself...especially when you are the one involved in the dispute and the only one...at least so far, according to the poll. regards.Dr. Becker-Weidman 20:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I have nothing at all whatsoever to do with the movement - it is handled by an automatic script program. The request has been seen by numerous administrators and none have seen fit to unprotect it. Thus you can safely assume that moving it up over and over and over again will not do anything to change that. Yes, I don't assume good faith of you, because you're asking that I be blocked. That is not in any way, shape or form a good faith action. FCYTravis 22:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

You are the only one who started and continued the "edit war." You have not acted in a manner consistent with your status as an administrator. You have side-stepped and 'refuse to participate in mediation'; you engage in refusal to assume good faith, and you have misused your administrative rights. your refusal to participate in mediation, and follow Misplaced Pages policies and practices really is in appropriate for an administrator...you do not set a good example as an administrator should. Dr. Becker-Weidman 23:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I have started the "edit war" because you and others continue to push clearly inappropriate, biased and unsourced attacks on an organization into that organization's article. I have the weight of Misplaced Pages policy on my side, and that's pretty much the end of the story. There's no need for "mediation" - if you wish, I will take this matter directly to the Arbitration Committee - I have little doubt that they will quite correctly see this as a basic matter of reliable and verifiable sourcing not being present. I have made numerous requests for any reliable source which makes the arguments you are pushing, and each time nothing of substance has been offered. Sorry, but I won't be driven off by your accusations. FCYTravis 23:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

And those sources have been provided, but you don't seem to accept them; although several other editors find the sources reputable and adequate.DPeterson 20:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

You have no sources to claim that ACT is not mainstream, or that they are not well-respected, or that the groups have taken no input from ACT. What we have is a general agreement that there are no statements from these groups about ACT. So we can say that. We can't say anything else. As for those "several other editors," they are all people recruited to work on this single issue, as even a cursory examination of their contributions will show. They do not constitute a "consensus" of Wikipedians in any way, shape or form. FCYTravis 21:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Calling me a "meat puppet" is slander and offensive. I am my own person with my own views and opinions. Your comments are not fitting of an Admistrator and should be reported. Your conduct is not appropriate for an Administrator. I use Misplaced Pages a lot for research and on occassion feel moved to make an edit or two. I expect an apology. JohnsonRon 19:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Snowing the snow

Darn it, I was gonna do that. Recursion, LOL.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 04:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Your insult

I am surprised that an Administrator would act in such a disrespectful manner and in a manner contrary to Misplaced Pages policy. I am not a "meat puppet." "multiple individuals create brand new accounts" My account is not brand new. "These newly created accounts, or anonymous edits, may be friends of another editor, may be related in some way to the subject of an article under discussion, or may have been solicited by someone to support a specific angle in a debate." I am not anonymous, a friend of another editor nor was I solicited. So, clearly your facts are wrong and your misinterpretation of Misplaced Pages policy to suit your own needs is not appropriate for an Administrator. Tell me, as an Administrator, where and how can I lodge a formal complaint? An an Administrator I'd think part of your job is to help less experienced editors, so I am asking for your help with this question.JohnsonRon 19:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

'WARNING: VIOLATION OF 3RR'

You have violated the Misplaced Pages 3RR for Advocates for Children in Therapy. This is a warning. As an administrator you know this. A report has been made. you should be reported to some administrative board for conduct unacceptable for an administrator.RalphLender 21:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no, I haven't violated the three-revert rule. A quick check of the article history verifies that. Please do not make false accusations. Thank you. FCYTravis 21:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
As I read the history, you have made over three reverts within 24 hours. DPeterson 23:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I made three reverts of the exact same material in 24 hours, and then ceased. I have not removed that section and will not do so until, at the very least, the 24hr period expires. FCYTravis 23:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

VIOLATION OF ADMINISTRATOR STATUS

You are acting in an irresponsible manner by forcing every editor to cite a source for every sentance. I see no such actions occuring on any other page or article. You are abusing your status as an administrator. Several editors have asked you to engage in mediation and you refused. Several others have asked you how to lodge a formal complaint against you and you have not provided that information. Another editor has objected to your calling that individual a "meat puppet." 1. How does one lodge a formal complaint against an admiinstrator? 2. Why won't you engage in mediation? DPeterson 23:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no violation going on. Every contentious statement must be sourced and cited. Please again re-read our verifiability policy for details. WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR are the inviolable basis for all of Misplaced Pages. FCYTravis 23:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Grand-Am Suggestion

While browsing your work on the Grand-Am website, I'd suggest something to possibly clean up your chart a bit. Although its nice to see that you've tried to be as precise as possible with listing the exact chassis names and the engine sizes, it's a bit redundant since there's a limited number of chassis and engines to choose from. Therefore, to save room, you might simply want to do this:

Daytona Prototype Chassis:

  • Crawford DP03
  • Doran JE-4
  • Fabcar FDSC/03
  • Riley Mk XI
  • Chase whatever the name of that is.
  • Picchio whatever the bane of that is.

Daytona Prototype Engines:

Then you're free to have a chart like this:

No Entrant Chassis Engine Drivers Third driver(s) Sponsors
3 Southard Motorsports Riley BMW United States Shane Lewis United States Randy LaJoie Southard Motorsports
United States Craig Stanton

I think it'd be a lot cleaner and more compact. Remember, for people running resolutions around 1024x768, charts like this get squished. Also, listing multiple sponsers vertically instead of in a list would help, just use <br></br>. Anyway, just a suggestion. The359 05:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Capital idea! Great suggestion, thank you! FCYTravis 06:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Nigel McGuinness

I don't normally look on talk pages and the edit summary didn't say why you removed his publicly available name. Why was it removed? His name is publicly available and is therefore fair use. I see no reason to remove it. 20:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The edit summary said "rm realname per OTRS ticket #2006092210008209" - the ticket in question being an e-mail complaint to the Wikimedia Foundation from a representative of Mr. McGuinness, a living person, complaining about their biography. It is Misplaced Pages policy that we treat such complaints and requests with the utmost urgency and with the presumption that the complaint is valid. I quickly scanned the available sources and found no evidence that Mr. McGuinness' real name is widely known or publicly used. In such cases, it is not Misplaced Pages's job to report what is not already generally known about a person. FCYTravis 20:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
He made his name publicly available when he decided to trademark his ring name, that means it's available to the public and is verifiable. I think it hurts the credibility of Misplaced Pages to remove his name from the article. How long until it is put back in? Keeping it out is censorship and WP is supposed to be against censorship. TJ Spyke 20:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Keeping it out is consistent with our being respectful encyclopedists, not aggressive investigative journalists. I like being the latter, but Misplaced Pages is not the place for it. If Mr. McGuinness' real name was at all associated with his fame, or was previously wide public knowledge, I would agree that it should be included. But because it is not, and has not been, public, Misplaced Pages is WP:NOT interested in revealing facts heretofore unknown. We are an encyclopedia, not a gossip column. FCYTravis 21:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
How can I be blocked for putting that on my userpage? I don't see any rules against that. TJ Spyke 21:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
It's just escalating the situation, which is disruption. Just stop posting it. alphaChimp 23:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

WTF?

Why did you delete my userpage? And why should I not make a complaint against you? TJ Spyke 21:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

You inserted personal information into your userpage in a deliberate effort to skirt an OTRS WP:LIVING issue. You may not use your userspace for this purpose. FCYTravis 22:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I did not know I couldn't put that on my userpage. I instead put a message telling people to MSN me if they want his real name. That's not a problem, is it? TJ Spyke 22:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Contempt? He made his name available to the public, and i'm not putting his name out on this site. I know that some people want to know his name though and telling them how to get that info, that is not against the rules. TJ Spyke 22:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
He did not "make his name available to the public" any more than you "made your name available to the public" by having a birth certificate in the public records of whatever county you were born in. FCYTravis 22:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If I was noteworthy enough to have an article, then yes that would be acceptable. Public records are verifiable and acceptable to use to inform people. The only info I agree shouldn't be included is stuff like a person's home address and phone number. TJ Spyke 22:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling

Mind putting in the oversight request? I'm a little busy right now. alphaChimp 00:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

OTRS tickets?

Re: where you "rm false information per OTRS ticket #2006092410007573" ... I found OTRS and then Misplaced Pages:OTRS, but I didn't see any information on how one can look up a ticket# to find out the reason for the removal of the text. Any clues? Thanks. --Geniac 12:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but you can't... OTRS tickets are viewable only by members of the OTRS team, as the e-mails often contain sensitive and private personal information. I can tell you that essentially, a relative of the person in question wrote us and said that the information was factually incorrect. Given the absence of sources for the information, I removed it immediately in keeping with our biographies of living persons policy. FCYTravis 18:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for further information. May I comment that it was a bit confusing being confronted with an unexplained abbreviation and a string of digits that the average user can't look up anywhere? I don't know what exactly to suggest that hasn't before; maybe wikilinking the OTRS in the edit summary to Misplaced Pages:OTRS or m:OTRS? And/or keeping a running list of ticket numbers and a brief explanation of the associated email's contents, of course limited to, say, "relative of subject of article requested unsourced information be removed." Or would that not be worth the effort? --Geniac 02:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

BOT - Regarding your recent protection of Newburyport, Massachusetts:

You recently protected this page but did not give a protection summary. If this is an actual (not deleted) article, talk, or project page, make sure that it is listed on WP:PP. VoABot will automatically list such protected pages only if there is a summary. Do not remove this notice until a day or so, otherwise it may get reposted. Thanks. VoABot 23:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Another year wiser

Happy Birthday, FCYTravis

It's just caught my attention you state you're a year older, so I thought I'd drop by and send you a small greeting to wish you a (belated?) happy birthday. --Ricksy 01:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

David Asimov

Hi, I've nominated David Asimov, a page you worked on, for deletion.I thought it polite to tell you.Rich 09:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)