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Don't worry. I had my fun.
Talk archives: ]


==Break== ==Vaya con Dios==
I'm very sorry to see you go. Now you understand why I have kept away from the anarchism articles. There's a lot more that can be done here other than those, and the right folks, eventually, will probably perservere, so the best thing seems to be to make small edits to those at random intervals, rather than focusing completely on them. I suggest and ask that you take a Wikibreak, or try working on articles completely unrelated to anarchism. Like working on the collaboration of the week, or hitting Alt-X (random article) and finding something to spruce up. It'd be sad to lose you. Good luck. --] 18:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Although we have our differences, I hope that you will be back soon. ] 20:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==
:Thanks for your comment. Btw, I saw that you are thinking about possibility of studying economics. It's a great field, and I would recommend it to you. Some great men were economists. But anyway, both philosophy and economics are great choices, and, I believe, you won't make mistake by choosing either. Cheers! ] 20:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above. ] and ] are placed on probation and may be banned for appropriate periods from any article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing. Should any user placed on Probation under this ruling violate any ban imposed under this decision, they may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Blocks are to be logged at ].
::Your temporary leave of absence is well warranted. I, too, have grown annoyed by the fanatical polemicism of the sockpuppets, which is why I've decided to stop editing this article for a while. Unfortunately, articles related to political science attract the most die-hard and ardent editors, who detract from the liesure of editing. -- ] 20:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


For the Arbitration Committee. - ]|] 08:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
== 3RR Warning ==


==Your comments on WP:ANI==
Your edits to ] are approaching edit warring. You may want to review ]. Happy editing! ]<s/>buddy, ] 17:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for the warning. I hadn't even realized it, because I suspect one of the editors has been using a sock puppet. --] 18:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::I was looking over the history of this thing. Its one of those irritating edit wars. I've been involved with these things. I hope that after your break you will still feel like coming back and editing. Misplaced Pages undoubtedly needs more people like you. :) ]<s/>buddy, ] 21:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Second that. Don't be gone for too long. And keep in touch. ]] 22:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Please see my comments on your post to the Administrators' Noticeboard at ].
==Anarcho-capitalism FAR==
My reasons for closing:
*Original concerns were addressed.
*There was a concensus for keeping the article's featured status.
*Work was not being done on the article at the time of closing.
*Article had been stable for more than four days.
*Article had been in review for a month with no outstanding requests for extension.
*I understand that not everyone can check Misplaced Pages every day, however the FARC was open for 2 weeks. We cannot have a FARC open until everyone votes. ] (]) 17:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I will deny your request for an extension. FARC is not a vote. I did not count votes I reviewed the commentaries and whether they were addressed or not. Your only objection was stability and in my opinion the article was stable at the time. I suggest you take your request to the ] and if there is a consensus for reoppening the discussion then it will be done. ] (]) 18:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
:Hi. As Joelito explained, the FAR is closed. If you feel it was done prematurely, you should take the discussion to ]. Regards, ] 19:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
::The admin closing the review makes the decision. Joelito has already given his reasoning, and it was fully in line with other FARCs. You should also note that I raised the problem with this FAR in my first comment on the FAR fully a month ago. Re-read the FAR, and you will see that I requested an analysis of specific problems with the article, which was not given in the original nomination. In the month that was allowed for review, my request was never answered, there was never a case made that the criteria weren't met, and it always read like an issue between editors. FAR is not for dispute resolution. ] 19:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Incidentally, although our paths have never crossed before, I hope you won't quit spending a little time here. For what it's worth, there are places that are a little less contentious than ] ... you might want to hang out there for awhile. Best to you in any event. ] 18:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I've received your message and entered my comments on the FAR, though I can't make head-or-tails about how the actual process is going. I try to keep myself to things that I have an interest in and hope the AnCaps do the same - "perhaps it's his willingness to be deceived that marks God amongst men" (Nietzsche) does not begin to described how taxing that policy of mine is... --] 23:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot. I appreciate you taking the time to consider the matter.
:We seem to have different things that most bother us about the AnCap article and its proponents: I'd be happy to allow them their article to wax lyrically about what they do, as long as they don't sabotage everybody else for their vainglory. Which they unfortunately do. This has been the first time I've intervened in their affairs at all (except perhaps for typo-correction). I am hoping that to highlight the POV failings of the article will show how disruptive certain AnCap editors are and hopefully marginalise said POV activity. Oh well. --] 00:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


:The way I see it, if we are going to keep bringing up my 3RR violations, then we should consider them as separate, and we should also consider the circumstances surrounding them. The first was inadvertent on my part, and I kindly asked the blocking administrator to lift the block, because I was currently editing ] extensively, working towards FA status. He did. The second was later admitted to be a hasty error on the part of the blocking administrator, who was also very reasonable. The third, by ], is a bit up in the air. I contested it, and believe that Woohookitty admitted that he might have been in error, but I'm not quite sure at this point. Either way, in that case, I was reverting without edit warring, an exception to ].
==thatshot==
thatshot has 2 reverts today already. if he gets to 4 i think we should report him. let them have some of their own medicine. your thoughts? ] 15:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Eh, I don't like using the policies just to break somebody's balls. That's gaming the system. Although, I think that it's pretty clear that he's logging out in order to avoid breaking ]. --] 15:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:i agree with you about policies but they threatened me with 3RR and i believe in fighting fire with fire. further, he's obviously not logging in in order to revert which is pretty cheap and underhanded imo. ] 16:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I agree with blockader, I usually don't like reporting 3rr, but this is getting ridiculous. ]] 03:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


:Regardless, I do not have a history of tendentious editing. I rarely ever insert unsourced claims into controversial articles. Most of my edits have only been considered tendentious by a select group of highly ideological editors, some of whom are now banned indefinitely. As far as edit warring is concerned, I try as hard as possible to refrain from revert wars, and when I revert, it is usually without edit warring. My reasons are always promptly explained on the talk page of the article in question.
== sockpuppet? ==


:Much of my involvement in Misplaced Pages's controversial articles (and my involvement with Misplaced Pages was not exclusive to them, although I took a certain interest in them) has been in conjunction with the involvement of a few other truly bad faith editors, who are now banned indefinitely (], ], ], ], and their various proven or admitted sock puppets). Considering that I was editing controversial articles that were swamped with a few zealots, it follows that I often walked a thin line. I feel that I always walked that line in good faith and with the best interests of the encyclopaedia in mind.
you accusing me being a sockpuppet, interesting, because i have never register before. this ip is the only way i use for editing, and as far as i know "sockpuppet" means i have another account, could you point out which one is it and why? or you can request a checkuser if you like. There are about 10 or more source said ancap is form of individualist anarchism, and you got zero, so the one doing contentious edits is you, not me. regards. ] 15:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think that I've somehow heard this refrain before. --] 15:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
::because i post on blockader's talkpage before, and maybe you already know that, or perhaps blockader using the same computer as you are? ] 15:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I think that I've somehow heard this refrain before, too. *yawn* You know, a lot of companies produce video games. If you like to play on your computer, I suggest trying one of them. It's much more fun than Misplaced Pages. --] 16:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
::AaronS, I tend to respect you as an editor and also tend to agree strongly with your methods, but I do have to say that you tend to be a bit trigger happy on the whole sockpuppet thing &mdash; which I can't completely blame you for, I've been guilty of it too, it's hard not to with articles as notorious for it as ] and ]. However, suspicion of puppetry and the fact that you've "heard this refrain before" does not nullify a solid argument. This anonymous user has attempted to explain their position to you and you disregard them with some abstract ] ''assuming'' that they are a sock puppet. If you have had this discussion before and don't feel like repeating yourself, perhaps you could link to where you've discussed it before instead of assuming bad faith. &mdash;] 16:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Your concern is noted, and I appreciate it. I understand that I can appear trigger happy regarding sock puppetry, but I have also usually been correct in my assumptions. I've got a lot of experience with those editors who most engage in sock puppetry. This user appeared today only to engage in a revert war. It is very difficult to assume good faith when that is the case. I'd be happy to be proven wrong by ], and welcome him to join in the discussion on ]. --] 17:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


:I pointed out my 3RR violations to the AN some time ago, asking for input. Many editors were sympathetic to my position. We all noted that, sometimes, administrators do not fully understand the context of a situation, especially where controversial articles are concerned, because they are too busy to take the time to do so. I'm very happy that ] has protected ] and taken a greater interest in it. It was only after hitting a brick wall a number of times that I decided that Misplaced Pages wasn't worth my time, anymore. --] 20:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
== Neocolonialism ==
It's wrong to mention it under section on capitalism. Look ] article, it doesn't mention capitalism even once. Also, ] doesn't mention neocolonialism at all.


::Please let me know if you want me to post a motion. ] 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
As for quote: "Because of its putative ideological similarity to individualist anarchism, the anarchist-communism of Johann Most and the anarchists of the International Working-People's Association, was subjected to some bitter criticism, particularly in the period of the latter's dramatic growth, from 1884 to 1886. Led by "X" (Henry Appleton), this attack focused on the cover and overt authoritarian tendencies and violent strategy of the anarchist-communists" form the ''The Individualist Anarchists: An Anthology of Liberty (1881-1908)''
::::I think I have it covered, but thanks for the offer. --] 01:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
] 17:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, Hogeye just got unblocked a few days ago, and has since posted to the anarchism talk page once. They had their blocks extended so many months for sockpuppetry though, that it seemed like they were indef blocked. They really should be though. The minute he steps out of line we need to propose a community indef ban on him. ]] 23:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


== Comment ==
:Well, it doesn't mention globalization by name so that's OR unless someone provides a source. ] 18:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Re-reading my comments, I feel I was unduly harsh in my responses, particularly given the nature of the matter. For that, I apologize. There's a line between taciturn and hostile that I definitely crossed today. ] ] 22:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
==Ward==
:Thanks for your apology. Don't worry, though, as it is quite understandable. ] is often inundated with less than upright types shedding crocodile tears regarding one terrible injustice or another. I can easily see why it would be tempting to write of most complaints as just that. I'm glad that you took the time to examine my own and that you eventually came to the conclusion that my matter is of a different and more honest nature than most. Best wishes, --] 22:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Can you quote where Ward says that anarcho-capitalism is mainly discussed by academics? ] 19:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::Hey, I hope this means you'll be coming back, at least part time. I'm feeling lonely. I don't want to be the veteran on the anarchism page, I'm too new! Besides, you're fun to have around. ]] 23:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


== Apologies ==
:Ok. ] 19:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we're all apologizing to you. :) I treated you too harshly with that 3RR. I should've looked more closely into it. So I apologize for that. I'm glad you are back, even if it's only temporarily. As for Whiskey/Thewolfstar, she's on my sock hit list. :) I.e. I plan on watching out for them. Hopefully she'll stay away but I somehow doubt it. Most socks keep going. I've been dealing with one (John Moore) for going on a year now. Anyway, stick around. :) --]<sup>]</sup> 03:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


:It's going to be ironic in the extreme if the unmerited Probation notice winds up drawing your attention back to the site. Maybe we should hand those out more often. :) I thought your summary on the arbitration page was very effective. ] 03:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
== You have been blocked for 48 hours ==
You have been blocked for 48 hours for a 3RR vio on ]. It's your 3rd 3RR block in just over a month. --]<sup>]</sup> 10:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


=== Response === == email ==


I just sent you an email, please respond asap on my talk (slightly different instructions than what I said in the email, but still. Just respond on my talk with yes, no, or maybe, with a title of "response". That's it. Nothing more. If you can send a more detailed response by email too, that would be great. I'll check it tomorrow (I don't have access to the account right now, complicated situation). ]] 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Regarding my alleged 3RR violation, I ask that you, again, take a look at the substance of those edits. You might also want to note that DTC has been trying to retaliate against me for quite some time for putting a suspected sock puppet tag on his user page. Anyway, here are a few facts: this is not my third violation in a month. The last one was a mistake, as was eventually admitted by all involved (I was reverting the edits of a banned user). Second, if you take a look at my edit summaries (beyond the part where I note that it is a revert), you'll see that I was not reverting anybody's edits, but rather reverting the unintentional removal of completely unrelated edits during wholesale reverts by users. Hence the following:
:How mysterious. I'm intrigued. Will do. --] 03:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


== Your grad school application ==
"rv to AaronS: if you want the note in, put it back in, don't delete all of my edits"


Luck. So, why 20th century French philosophy? Sounds sort of strange, what attracted you to it? And where are you applying? ]] 06:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
"rv to AaronS: please learn how to revert some edits without deleting other edits"
:Reading Foucault, Sartre, Derrida, Camus, and others in different French and philosophy courses attracted me to the subject. I've also studied in France several times. So, I simply combined my three favorite subjects: French, philosophy, and literature. I'll be applying to seven different schools, listed in the order of how good their program is for me: Johns Hopkins (the best), Harvard, NYU, Yale, UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, and Princeton. After graduate school, I'll in all likelihood become a professor of some sort. --] 13:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
::I'll have to come sit in on a class of yours! Seriously. I'll probably have the time. Hop a train to wherever you are. That would be cool. ]] 07:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


== No Personal Attacks ==
"rv: please learn how to revert without deleting a myriad of unrelated edits; it's not my job to sift through your revert"


Cease and desist your personal attacks and name calling against ], as seen in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Anarchism&diff=76499585&oldid=76498281. This is your first warning. - ] 05:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Note that these were reverts of two different users, not simply DTC. That's Hot, the other user, said:


:That wasn't a personal attack. Incivil maybe, but certainly not a personal attack. (Copied to MST's page) - ] ] 12:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
"aaron, i didn't see your edit. it must have happend right before i hit the button. I'm noting now that what old individualist anarchist meant by capitalism was state capitalism."
::Yeah, I was just telling it like it is. After you've dealt with a disruptive user for so long, a user who has refused to change his behavior, and who has been given every opportunity to do so, you'll understand where I'm coming from. I ''do'' find his antics boring. --] 18:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Heh, I got so narked I called him a troll, then thought the better of it and removed it - and the wolfstar socks keep putting it back in, claiming it was directed at MSTCrow and have even gone as far as adding a typo! I said "ban", not "band"! ] 22:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
::::I thought it was obvious it was directed at hogeye, not you. I didn't know they put the typo in though. That's lame. I actually responded by saying something like "I don't want to be in a band with hogeye. Now if you meant to say ''ban'', I fully support it". It got taken out with the removal of all the crap that was going on that page that day though. ]] 04:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


== personal attack (not by you) ==
So, if this is a violation of the 3RR, what was I exactly reverting? I was not reverting anybody's additions; I was reverting wholesale reverts that deleted a lot of unrelated information, asking, in my edit summaries, for the editors to be more careful. To me, this seems like a clear case of "reverting without edit warring."


I suggest you report that hogeye just called you an asshole in his edit summary. There is a thread on him at AN/I right now. ]] 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm really tired of administrators unintentionally facilitating the gaming of the system that goes on every day at the anarchism-related articles. It's quite clear who the good editors are, and there are a lot of us. There are only two or three who, they admit, engage in edit wars and sock puppetry. It's really, really disappointing to be following the rules only to have an administrator who hasn't examined the situation closely enough come barreling through and making the situation far, far worse. I apologize if I sound reproachful, but, as I said, the last time I was blocked was an error, and I strongly feel that this time is, too. Weeks ago, I tried to draw attention to the nature of the situation at Misplaced Pages talk:3RR, WP:AN/I, and the rest, and received very little response.
:Oh, and don't put the template back on yet, don't want you getting 3rr or in trouble for edit warring. Maybe point the situation out to Francis or Owen. Woohoo, Bish or Bunch might be good too. ]] 02:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, there's no point in re-adding it, if he's just going to keep removing it. No biggie. But thanks for the heads up. --] 02:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I guess we have Hogeye's answer to your question. ]] 02:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


==Why, thankyou==
I urge you to reconsider the matter. I've been here for years, and I'm afraid that I may be the second or third decent editor of these articles to quit Misplaced Pages in disgust (I have already come close) in less than a month because of the gaming of the system that goes on.
But I'm not Thawolfstar. But thanks for the welcome. Very kindly of you. ] 02:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
:lol, I love how you act so dumb you can't even spell your old username. Typical wolfstar. ]] 04:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


== Email ==
Again, please don't take my tone as reproachful or anything like that, if it seems that way -- I hope that it does not. But I am finding it difficult to hide my disappointment at Misplaced Pages in general, which seems to reward a clever manipulation of the rules -- it's nothing personal.


Check it. ]] 03:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Best, --] 13:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


== Hogeye's anarchism tree ==
:Actually you are the one attempting the manipulation. These are the reverts: , , and . Those are comparisons between one revert and the next. Every single one is a "pure" revert, i.e. you are reverting to previous versions that were done by yourself. None of the edits consist of simply readding material. They are all reverts by AaronS to versions of the article by AaronS. Just no way around that. --]<sup>]</sup> 14:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, we have already established that I was reverting. Again, you're failing to note the reasons ''why''. I reverted back to my version, asking the editors who were engaging in more comphrensive reverts to choose their deletions more carefully (so that they would not remove information completely unrelated to what they intended to revert). My version was simply the ''status quo'', i.e. the version without the unintentional deletions. When they ''did'' revert more carefully -- indeed, even making edits that I might disagree with -- I did not revert them. This is called "reverting without edit warring." It's quite clear to me, now, that you haven't made much of an attempt to fully understand the situation, and can't quite get past the fact that these are four (rather unrelated) reverts in a row. I ask you, again, to please consider the situation with a bit more attention. I understand that you're busy, and that you deal with this on a daily basis (and with many users who cry foul), but I have good reason to believe that you're making this decision in error. I'm also rather disappointed at the fact that you're accusing me of manipulation. Please don't add insult to injury. --] 14:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When I reverted you I ''did'' mean to revert away your edits while reverting mine back in. This is because you were misinterpreting sources as well as ignoring many many existing sources by moving the anarcho-capitalism section. You were also reverting away the edits of others while simultaneously reverting yours back in. The difference with you though is that you did it over and over and over and over and violated the 3RR and edit-warred. ] 18:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Funny that you made no fuss of it at the time. I guess that it only mattered once you developed a major grudge against me (even going so far as to suggest that I and other users might edit while drunk). Regardless, two of the reverts were of ], who mistakenly removed unrelated edits. One of my reverts of you had absolutely nothing to do with sources. There was no edit warring. This just has to do with you wanting to retaliate against me for suspecting you of being a sock puppet of ], which, for the record, is a suspicion that I still maintain. --] 18:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
::I should also note that ] is meant to be preventative and not punitive. What are you trying to prevent? Where was the edit war? --] 15:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


Hogeye has one of his trees on ]. I started a thread on the talk page and removed it (which he put back in) and I would appreciate your help. Thanks. ]] 04:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
=== Response #2 ===


== Final Warning ==
Alright, this is pretty ridiculous. I should have known better than to question the perfect rectitude of the action of a long-standing administrator. I forgot how easily some administrators are offended when their righteousness is called into question, however politely. Discussion is moot.


]This is your '''last warning'''. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be ] for disruption.<!-- Template:Npa4 --> --] 00:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I had my fun with Misplaced Pages, but that's all Misplaced Pages will ever be -- a fun place for people. It will never be taken seriously as a scholarly resource, because scholarship is not determined by majority rule, but rather by merit. The articles that I have been most heavily involved in have a good amount of excellent editors who are willing to compromise and more than happy to consider each other's points of view (for we all have points of view -- what matters is whether or not one's point of view is grounded in reality as opposed to fantasy). Unfortunately, there are a few people who have been gaming the system and using sock puppets so that they might "defend the cause." So long as there are zealots, sophists, and partisans who are clever enough to game the system, Misplaced Pages will be a mess, and good editors like me will get bored with their game.
:I called the editor in question, who has been banned and blocked a number of times for disruption, trolling, OR, and so forth, "dishonest," because he was acting dishonestly. I explained to him why I felt so. I called him an idealogue; but, he has already admitted to that. A synonym for "idealogue" is "zealot." Perhaps I was being a bit egregious by throwing in the word "charlatan," but a an idealogue and zealot who feigns neutrality (after admitting to his immutable bias) is indeed a charlatan. I really wish that you would look at a situation more closely before throwing around these warnings. Also, I'm not sure why this is a final warning. I can't even remember the last time I was warned for making a personal attack. --] 04:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
::Did calling him all that help the discussion in any way? I don't think so, it only drives up tensions making the discussion less and less hospitable and hence more and more pointless. From the first paragraph of ]: "Comment on content, not on the contributor."--].] 08:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm familiar with the policy. When a user is a troll who disrupts in a particular way, it is indeed useful to expose that. I have been watching the discussion for quite some time, only adding my own thoughts very sparingly. I have had experience with Hogeye in the past, before he was originally banned. He was diverting discussion aimed towards improving the article towards the same kinds of things that got him banned -- originally-researched diagrams from his personal web site, leads that purposefully do not attempt to reach any compromise, etc. He has already stated, more or less, that his intention is to make editing the article so unbearable that people will be forced to give him what he wants.
:::Showing exactly how Hogeye disrupts discussion enables other contributors to be cautious and helps them better understand how to deal with him. Hogeye already has a chip on his shoulder the size of the Titanic. My comments bounced right off him. The purpose of them, however, was to show others that, until he changes his behavior, they should not be wasting pages and pages of talk page discussion rehashing the same old points that he was bringing up before he was banned. --] 12:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


== DTC: sock puppet ==
I'm the second or third editor in less than a month to quit Misplaced Pages because of the actions of these users, and because of the manifest incompetence of the administrators. Many administrators are so enveloped in "The Process" and their own sense of self-importance (for they, too, are "defending the cause," just like the worst trolls) that they fail to see the forest for the trees. Thus we have administrators, like the one above, who are easily tricked by trolls who have long since learned how to game the system into punishing good editors with whom they disagree. These administrators only see Misplaced Pages as a series of processes, and only interact with others on Misplaced Pages through their imagined role in these processes. Being ignorant of context and situation, it's no surprise that they often make incorrect decisions. Having such a sense of self-importance, it is also no surprise that they are unwilling to admit this (except as a platitude).


I notice that you inserted a <Susptected sock puppet> template on DTC's userpage a while ago, but have you ever filed a formal report about his being a sockpuppet? If not, is it because you don't think there's enough concrete evidence to have him blocked indefinitely? -- ] 23:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I thus bid you all farewell. I am not discontented, because I never took Misplaced Pages as seriously as most. I am, however, a bit disappointed, because, when I signed up nearly three years ago, I thought that Misplaced Pages still had promise. Perhaps it still does, but not until major changes are made.


:I certainly empathize with you, though perhaps this weekend I'll file a report... maybe. Or, I might simply abandon the anarcho-capitalism article altogether. I'm leaning towards the latter right now. -- ] 00:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
So long, --13:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== Ireland ==
I live in London these days, so I'm only back in Ireland four or five times a year, but it you haven't been there since the late 90s, it's changed massively (particularly Dublin). Good parts: It's very multicultural with a substantial Chinese and African population. Bad parts: Ireland got rich and hit the verge of cultural breakdown (though it looks like people went to the pub, had a few drinks and got over it). Dublin's been tarted up and has lost a lot of its soul. House prices are through the roof. Drinks cost a fortune. There are too many cars. LOL! I left in 2002 when the dot bomb bit ]. ] 22:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

== Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism ==
In case you haven't seen it, the AnCaps are trying to delete the ] article . ] 23:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

== Anarchism ==
Thank you. I feel like I'm abandoning you guys and I apologize for that. But that article is just hopeless. You are a very good user. I would really recommend that you get involved with some of the cleanup projects or something like that. I think you have alot to give the community. But if you stay at just anarchism stuff, you are going to burn out. Guaranteed. You already sort of have. :) It's just a mess. And I'm not sure that it'll ever be "fixed". --]<sup>]</sup> 21:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

== wolf in our midst?==
hey, keep an eye on Imagination débridée at anarchism, i suspect another thewolfstar clone. ] 16:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
:It seems obvious to me that she is. --] 18:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Towns of Massachusetts outline map ==

I saw the Massachusetts towns image you apparently uploaded November 13, 2005.

* 1. I am interested in knowing how it was made...in order to consider making similar maps for other New England states.
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Vaya con Dios

I'm very sorry to see you go. Now you understand why I have kept away from the anarchism articles. There's a lot more that can be done here other than those, and the right folks, eventually, will probably perservere, so the best thing seems to be to make small edits to those at random intervals, rather than focusing completely on them. I suggest and ask that you take a Wikibreak, or try working on articles completely unrelated to anarchism. Like working on the collaboration of the week, or hitting Alt-X (random article) and finding something to spruce up. It'd be sad to lose you. Good luck. --Golbez 18:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Intangible

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above. Intangible and AaronS are placed on probation and may be banned for appropriate periods from any article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing. Should any user placed on Probation under this ruling violate any ban imposed under this decision, they may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Blocks are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Intangible#Log of blocks and bans.

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Your comments on WP:ANI

Please see my comments on your post to the Administrators' Noticeboard at WP:ANI.

Incidentally, although our paths have never crossed before, I hope you won't quit spending a little time here. For what it's worth, there are places that are a little less contentious than anarchism ... you might want to hang out there for awhile. Best to you in any event. Newyorkbrad 18:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I appreciate you taking the time to consider the matter.
The way I see it, if we are going to keep bringing up my 3RR violations, then we should consider them as separate, and we should also consider the circumstances surrounding them. The first was inadvertent on my part, and I kindly asked the blocking administrator to lift the block, because I was currently editing New England extensively, working towards FA status. He did. The second was later admitted to be a hasty error on the part of the blocking administrator, who was also very reasonable. The third, by Woohookitty, is a bit up in the air. I contested it, and believe that Woohookitty admitted that he might have been in error, but I'm not quite sure at this point. Either way, in that case, I was reverting without edit warring, an exception to WP:3RR.
Regardless, I do not have a history of tendentious editing. I rarely ever insert unsourced claims into controversial articles. Most of my edits have only been considered tendentious by a select group of highly ideological editors, some of whom are now banned indefinitely. As far as edit warring is concerned, I try as hard as possible to refrain from revert wars, and when I revert, it is usually without edit warring. My reasons are always promptly explained on the talk page of the article in question.
Much of my involvement in Misplaced Pages's controversial articles (and my involvement with Misplaced Pages was not exclusive to them, although I took a certain interest in them) has been in conjunction with the involvement of a few other truly bad faith editors, who are now banned indefinitely (Thewolfstar, RJII, TheIndividualist, Hogeye, and their various proven or admitted sock puppets). Considering that I was editing controversial articles that were swamped with a few zealots, it follows that I often walked a thin line. I feel that I always walked that line in good faith and with the best interests of the encyclopaedia in mind.
I pointed out my 3RR violations to the AN some time ago, asking for input. Many editors were sympathetic to my position. We all noted that, sometimes, administrators do not fully understand the context of a situation, especially where controversial articles are concerned, because they are too busy to take the time to do so. I'm very happy that Woohookitty has protected anarchism and taken a greater interest in it. It was only after hitting a brick wall a number of times that I decided that Misplaced Pages wasn't worth my time, anymore. --AaronS 20:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Please let me know if you want me to post a motion. Newyorkbrad 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I have it covered, but thanks for the offer. --AaronS 01:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Hogeye just got unblocked a few days ago, and has since posted to the anarchism talk page once. They had their blocks extended so many months for sockpuppetry though, that it seemed like they were indef blocked. They really should be though. The minute he steps out of line we need to propose a community indef ban on him. Ungovernable Force 23:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment

Re-reading my comments, I feel I was unduly harsh in my responses, particularly given the nature of the matter. For that, I apologize. There's a line between taciturn and hostile that I definitely crossed today. Mackensen (talk) 22:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your apology. Don't worry, though, as it is quite understandable. WP:ANI is often inundated with less than upright types shedding crocodile tears regarding one terrible injustice or another. I can easily see why it would be tempting to write of most complaints as just that. I'm glad that you took the time to examine my own and that you eventually came to the conclusion that my matter is of a different and more honest nature than most. Best wishes, --AaronS 22:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I hope this means you'll be coming back, at least part time. I'm feeling lonely. I don't want to be the veteran on the anarchism page, I'm too new! Besides, you're fun to have around. Ungovernable Force 23:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

I think we're all apologizing to you. :) I treated you too harshly with that 3RR. I should've looked more closely into it. So I apologize for that. I'm glad you are back, even if it's only temporarily. As for Whiskey/Thewolfstar, she's on my sock hit list. :) I.e. I plan on watching out for them. Hopefully she'll stay away but I somehow doubt it. Most socks keep going. I've been dealing with one (John Moore) for going on a year now. Anyway, stick around. :) --Woohookitty 03:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It's going to be ironic in the extreme if the unmerited Probation notice winds up drawing your attention back to the site. Maybe we should hand those out more often. :) I thought your summary on the arbitration page was very effective. Newyorkbrad 03:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

email

I just sent you an email, please respond asap on my talk (slightly different instructions than what I said in the email, but still. Just respond on my talk with yes, no, or maybe, with a title of "response". That's it. Nothing more. If you can send a more detailed response by email too, that would be great. I'll check it tomorrow (I don't have access to the account right now, complicated situation). Ungovernable Force 03:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

How mysterious. I'm intrigued. Will do. --AaronS 03:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Your grad school application

Luck. So, why 20th century French philosophy? Sounds sort of strange, what attracted you to it? And where are you applying? Ungovernable Force 06:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Reading Foucault, Sartre, Derrida, Camus, and others in different French and philosophy courses attracted me to the subject. I've also studied in France several times. So, I simply combined my three favorite subjects: French, philosophy, and literature. I'll be applying to seven different schools, listed in the order of how good their program is for me: Johns Hopkins (the best), Harvard, NYU, Yale, UC Berkeley, UC Irvine, and Princeton. After graduate school, I'll in all likelihood become a professor of some sort. --AaronS 13:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll have to come sit in on a class of yours! Seriously. I'll probably have the time. Hop a train to wherever you are. That would be cool. Ungovernable Force 07:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks

Cease and desist your personal attacks and name calling against Hogeye, as seen in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Anarchism&diff=76499585&oldid=76498281. This is your first warning. - MSTCrow 05:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't a personal attack. Incivil maybe, but certainly not a personal attack. (Copied to MST's page) - FrancisTyers · 12:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I was just telling it like it is. After you've dealt with a disruptive user for so long, a user who has refused to change his behavior, and who has been given every opportunity to do so, you'll understand where I'm coming from. I do find his antics boring. --AaronS 18:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I got so narked I called him a troll, then thought the better of it and removed it - and the wolfstar socks keep putting it back in, claiming it was directed at MSTCrow and have even gone as far as adding a typo! I said "ban", not "band"! Donnacha 22:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was obvious it was directed at hogeye, not you. I didn't know they put the typo in though. That's lame. I actually responded by saying something like "I don't want to be in a band with hogeye. Now if you meant to say ban, I fully support it". It got taken out with the removal of all the crap that was going on that page that day though. Ungovernable Force 04:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

personal attack (not by you)

I suggest you report that hogeye just called you an asshole in his edit summary. There is a thread on him at AN/I right now. Ungovernable Force 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and don't put the template back on yet, don't want you getting 3rr or in trouble for edit warring. Maybe point the situation out to Francis or Owen. Woohoo, Bish or Bunch might be good too. Ungovernable Force 02:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, there's no point in re-adding it, if he's just going to keep removing it. No biggie. But thanks for the heads up. --AaronS 02:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess we have Hogeye's answer to your question. Ungovernable Force 02:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Why, thankyou

But I'm not Thawolfstar. But thanks for the welcome. Very kindly of you. Rule by Secrecy 02:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

lol, I love how you act so dumb you can't even spell your old username. Typical wolfstar. Ungovernable Force 04:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Email

Check it. Ungovernable Force 03:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hogeye's anarchism tree

Hogeye has one of his trees on Individualist anarchism. I started a thread on the talk page and removed it (which he put back in) and I would appreciate your help. Thanks. Ungovernable Force 04:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Final Warning

This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. --Konstable 00:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I called the editor in question, who has been banned and blocked a number of times for disruption, trolling, OR, and so forth, "dishonest," because he was acting dishonestly. I explained to him why I felt so. I called him an idealogue; but, he has already admitted to that. A synonym for "idealogue" is "zealot." Perhaps I was being a bit egregious by throwing in the word "charlatan," but a an idealogue and zealot who feigns neutrality (after admitting to his immutable bias) is indeed a charlatan. I really wish that you would look at a situation more closely before throwing around these warnings. Also, I'm not sure why this is a final warning. I can't even remember the last time I was warned for making a personal attack. --AaronS 04:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Did calling him all that help the discussion in any way? I don't think so, it only drives up tensions making the discussion less and less hospitable and hence more and more pointless. From the first paragraph of WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor."--Konst.Able 08:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the policy. When a user is a troll who disrupts in a particular way, it is indeed useful to expose that. I have been watching the discussion for quite some time, only adding my own thoughts very sparingly. I have had experience with Hogeye in the past, before he was originally banned. He was diverting discussion aimed towards improving the article towards the same kinds of things that got him banned -- originally-researched diagrams from his personal web site, leads that purposefully do not attempt to reach any compromise, etc. He has already stated, more or less, that his intention is to make editing the article so unbearable that people will be forced to give him what he wants.
Showing exactly how Hogeye disrupts discussion enables other contributors to be cautious and helps them better understand how to deal with him. Hogeye already has a chip on his shoulder the size of the Titanic. My comments bounced right off him. The purpose of them, however, was to show others that, until he changes his behavior, they should not be wasting pages and pages of talk page discussion rehashing the same old points that he was bringing up before he was banned. --AaronS 12:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

DTC: sock puppet

I notice that you inserted a <Susptected sock puppet> template on DTC's userpage a while ago, but have you ever filed a formal report about his being a sockpuppet? If not, is it because you don't think there's enough concrete evidence to have him blocked indefinitely? -- WGee 23:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I certainly empathize with you, though perhaps this weekend I'll file a report... maybe. Or, I might simply abandon the anarcho-capitalism article altogether. I'm leaning towards the latter right now. -- WGee 00:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ireland

I live in London these days, so I'm only back in Ireland four or five times a year, but it you haven't been there since the late 90s, it's changed massively (particularly Dublin). Good parts: It's very multicultural with a substantial Chinese and African population. Bad parts: Ireland got rich and hit the verge of cultural breakdown (though it looks like people went to the pub, had a few drinks and got over it). Dublin's been tarted up and has lost a lot of its soul. House prices are through the roof. Drinks cost a fortune. There are too many cars. LOL! I left in 2002 when the dot bomb bit RTÉ. Donnacha 22:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism

In case you haven't seen it, the AnCaps are trying to delete the Anarchism and anarcho-capitalism article . Donnacha 23:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Anarchism

Thank you. I feel like I'm abandoning you guys and I apologize for that. But that article is just hopeless. You are a very good user. I would really recommend that you get involved with some of the cleanup projects or something like that. I think you have alot to give the community. But if you stay at just anarchism stuff, you are going to burn out. Guaranteed. You already sort of have. :) It's just a mess. And I'm not sure that it'll ever be "fixed". --Woohookitty 21:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

wolf in our midst?

hey, keep an eye on Imagination débridée at anarchism, i suspect another thewolfstar clone. Blockader 16:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems obvious to me that she is. --AaronS 18:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Towns of Massachusetts outline map

I saw the Massachusetts towns image you apparently uploaded November 13, 2005. Image:Ma_towns.png

  • 1. I am interested in knowing how it was made...in order to consider making similar maps for other New England states.
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Could you indicate via a revised templete the source?

  • 3. On reading your talk page I see you're departing from Misplaced Pages: I would like to invite you to check on your other images and see if they have the similar licensing issues.

I am not acquainted with your work (though I may scan your contributions shortly), but I'll express regret that you're departing, as I inadvertently encountered one very useful item you caused to show up on Misplaced Pages that I is being used right now in an article I care about: New England town

I'll email, in case you're not checking your pages much during your departure period. Yellowdesk 01:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

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Excuse me?

Who are you and what the heck are you talking about? Doctors without suspenders 03:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Something smells wolfie

Hi, Aaron. I have blocked the latest (or... is it?) incarnation of the injured innocence I see posting just above, please see your unarchived ANI thread. Thanks for your help. Bishonen | talk 05:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC).

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deletion discussion

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