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	::::::::::::::Pretty clear who is bias, just read wikipedia's page and you will get the idea regarding that and how you are ignoring my points like support under response heading and data of 168 girls to ISIS ] (]) 08:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)		::::::::::::::Pretty clear who is bias, just read wikipedia's page and you will get the idea regarding that and how you are ignoring my points like support under response heading and data of 168 girls to ISIS ] (]) 08:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::::You do realize how many people there are in India right? You are talking about 0.00000012% of the population. It's a statistical anomaly, one way or another. More people joined Islamic State from the UK, a country with only 80 million people. As one researcher put it: "{{tq\|In fact, this number is so small that most academics and experts often ask the question ‘What had prevented Indian Muslims from joining the Islamic State?'}}" ] (]) 09:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)		:::::::::::::::You do realize how many people there are in India right? You are talking about 0.00000012% of the population. It's a statistical anomaly, one way or another. More people joined Islamic State from the UK, a country with only 80 million people. As one researcher put it: "{{tq\|In fact, this number is so small that most academics and experts often ask the question ‘What had prevented Indian Muslims from joining the Islamic State?'}}" ] (]) 09:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::::No we just have the evidence of the few people, and even for taking one person from hinduism to join ISIS involves brainwashing by thousands of persons. We cannot convince a person and that too from different religion to join ISIS if they don't have enough groups or community to carry out their covert operations. The data according to NIA was 300 as I have shown the chargeheets and 300 people per year so just know how many people are taken from here.That's pretty logical and as your name suggests you're a member of muslim or arab groups so you are biased towards them. Therefore, please stop the conversation and let me wait for other administrators. ] (]) 18:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Supreme Court and RS mentioned this film as fictional.

Recently, Supreme Court of India said to the director of the movie to put a disclaimer in the movie stating that 1. There is no authentic data to back up the suggestion that the figure of conversion is 32000 or any other figure; 2. The film represents a fictionalised version,". I think we should change the starting of the article from "The plot follows the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)" to "The plot follows a fictionalised version of the story of a group of women from Kerala who are converted to Islam and join the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)".

Here are the sources where Supreme court said this. 1 2 3 4 Grabup (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Tayi Arajakate, @Kautilya3, @Tousif.15. Please share your thoughts on this. Grabup (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam, can you please explain why you removed the fictional line from the article? Grabup (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This edit. Grabup (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Drama films are always fictional? TrangaBellam (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Black Kite, Can you please share your opinion on this? I found that you reverted someone’s edit who removed the same thing from The Kashmir Files film. Grabup (talk) 23:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The lede describes the film as a 'drama'. It tells us about 'the plot'. I'd say that was quite sufficient to make it clear that it isn't a documentary. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Not an ordinary film, teaser and trailer claiming them to be based on real life incident of 3 girls, and now if disclaimer claims it to be fictional, we should also add it. Same case like TKF. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 04:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tousif.15, Agree. Even the PM of India mentioned this movie in his Karnataka election campaign. Grabup (talk) 05:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

What is perhaps missing as context here is the framing that the film had masqueraded as something else, so maybe what the lead needs to say is: The film originally presented itself as following real events, but this was challenged in court, resulting in the film makers being compelled to inform viewers that the work is fictionalised. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Iskandar's approach speaks to the issue. But the particular choice of words does not impress me. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

the short version is: The film claimed to present real events, but was legally required to be disclaimed as fictionalised. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@Iskandar323, @TrangaBellam, If we can’t add this line which @TrangaBellam, removed then please go to The Kashmir Files page and remove the same thing which mentions that film as a fictional film. Grabup (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

I have provided 3 reliable sources which includes BBC mentioning The Kerala Story as a fictional film. Grabup (talk) 08:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The movie has some elements of truth as in few (less than 5) women going from Kerala to Syria to join ISIS. It has exaggerated that number. So it is a drama very loosely inspired by real life incidence with a lot of misrepresentation done by film makers in their trailers. It should be called a "drama loosely inspired by a real life incidence" and clarified as "exaggerated to the point of being a propaganda movie". 2604:3D08:1285:F00:8DE5:8E78:EE05:A277 (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources. Grabup (talk) 16:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Genre references

From MOS:FILMGENRE - Genre classifications should comply with WP:WEIGHT and represent what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources. Could we please stick to that, supported by inline citations, and perhaps not microscope and rely on what the courts and the politicians say? — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, The Independent mentioned this film a “fictional drama” movie. Is it not a RS?. Grabup (talk) 10:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, Same, The Time magazine mentioned “ The low-budget Hindi film directed by Sudipto Sen, which was released in cinemas last Friday, tells the fictional story of three women from the southern state of Kerala who are lured into joining the Islamic State (IS) group after being converted to Islam.”

And The BBC also mentioned “ The Kerala Story, which released in theatres on last week, had sparked controversy months before its release. The film depicts a fictional story of three Indian women from the southern state who join the Islamic State group.” Grabup (talk) 10:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I hope these citations are enough? Grabup (talk) 10:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages article on Drama states: "In film and television, drama is a category or genre of narrative fiction (or semi-fiction) intended to be more serious than humorous in tone." The categorization of this particular film in the genre 'drama' is quite suitable and appropriate. Rim sim (talk) 04:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rim sim, Okay then go and change the same thing to The Kashmir Files article. Remove the Fictional line. Grabup (talk) 08:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

@DaxServer, waiting for your reply. You wanted reliable sources I provided it. Grabup (talk) 08:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Love jihad cases of Kerala

On the Love jihad talk page, I have mentioned some cases (other cases are not) of Love jihad in Kerala here - I don't want to repeat those here. Please add them to this article also if you people deem it fit. I am new here and can't make 500 edits to become eligible to edit this article.-1Firang (talk) 10:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a platform for the propagation of conspiracy theories. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) XK2aXsmasherX (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC) (WP:PA removed by — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC))

I don't think it is a Conspiracy Theory at all. Even the High Court of Kerela was the First One to Use the Term Love Jihad. So Stop Mentioning it a Conspiracy Theory. DevastatorOfficial (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an article about the film "The Kerala Story" not about kerala state. These points has nothing to do with this film. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 11:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

This proposal alone shows a blatant attempt at POV-pushing, any halfway-competent (as I believe you are) editor would know that this list is even less proper here than it was when it was initially shotdown, which leaves only an attempt at POV-pushing as to why you would request this. Googleguy007 (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Plot summary

Someone who watched this film can help us by sharing its plot here, please adhere to Neutral point of view.Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 05:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Tousif.15: In Afghanistan, a woman named Fathima Ba resides in a hideout together with her husband, Ishaq, who is associated with the Mujahedeen, and her newborn son. Fathima experiences instances of marital rape with Ishaq. She makes the decision to escape, volunteering to travel to Syria. However, her plans are disrupted when she is apprehended by UN peacekeeping forces while crossing the border through Turkey. In the custody of these officials, Fathima recounts her personal narrative.

Originally known as Shalini Unnikrishnan, Fathima was born into a Brahmin family in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala. She enrolls in a nursing college in Kasargod, where she becomes acquainted with her roommates Geethanjali, Nimah Matthews, and Asfiya. Geethanjali's father holds atheist Communist beliefs, while Nimah follows the Catholic faith and Asfiya is Muslim. Asfiya introduces her friends to her cousins Ramiz and Khaliq. Through her influence, the group is introduced to Islamic customs such as the concept of Jahannam and the practice of wearing a hijab. Nimah expresses some reservations regarding Asfiya's teachings, while Shalini and Geethanjali are more receptive. Asfiya also orchestrates an eve-teasing incident in a public place with the help of her associates, portraying the event as a result of the victims' attire, thus influencing Shalini and Geethanjali to adopt headscarves.

During this period, a romantic relationship develops between Shalini and Ramiz, as well as between Geethanjali and Khaliq, leading to consensual sex. Shalini becomes pregnant, and Ramiz convinces her to convert to Islam, assuming the name Fathima Ba. She later receives news of Ramiz's death during a mission in which he volunteered as a Mujahedeen fighter. Influenced by a local cleric, Fathima is made to believe that her family will not accept her pregnancy before marriage and subsequent conversion. Consequently, she enters into a marriage with a stranger Ishaq, recommended by the cleric, unaware of his involvement in various national security offenses.

Meanwhile, Geethanjali begins to question the extent of influence they have experienced and confronts Khaliq, who responds by blackmailing her with explicit photographs. Presented with the choice of enduring humiliation or marrying him, Geethanjali dies by suicide. Fathima and Ishaq travel to Colombo under the pretense of a honeymoon, although their true intention is to proceed to Afghanistan. During their time in Colombo, Nimah attempts to contact Fathima, urging her to return. However, Fathima refuses, believing it to be too late to change her situation.

Upon arriving in Afghanistan, Fathima realizes that the reality of her surroundings significantly differs from what she had been led to expect. In the present day, Fathima informs the officials that she had intentionally defected by providing them with her location, expressing a desire to be reunited with her son. The officials inform her that there is insufficient evidence to corroborate her account, and she remains incarcerated. 2001:8F8:172B:51C3:69AF:FCA7:9428:1D9C (talk) 10:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

{{u|Dawnseeker2000}} could you add this BlackOrchidd (talk) 09:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't ask specific contributors to make edits. Given the controversial topic, we need to discuss content collectively, and arrive at a consensus. Personally, I'm never a fan of Misplaced Pages's sourced-to-the-movie-itself plot summaries in articles (they are always subjective, and frequently over-detailed), and for a topic like this there are good reasons to question whether we even need a primary-source summary. There is plenty of secondary commentary from people who've seen the movie, and we shouldn't be trying to synthesise a 'consensus version' from it all. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a policy you may cite that barr asking random contributors to edit? BlackOrchidd (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Akola

"The Kerala Story: Dozens held in Maharashtra after Islamic State film row". BBC News. 2023-05-16. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

"How a Low-Budget Hindi Film Ignited Deadly Religious Tension". Time. 2023-05-18. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

"Akola violence: Police look for person behind social media account that triggered clashes". The Indian Express. 2023-05-16. Retrieved 2023-05-19.

TrangaBellam (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam: Why don't you add all the above yourself? You may add this also in a neutral way.-1Firang (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Films set in Afghanistan

External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan Zoyenom (talk) 15:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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false information about collection Moh sabik (talk) 08:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Lemonaka‎ 09:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Cover abroad response?

We can start with UK >>> Extorc.talk 08:00, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

References

https://www.freepressjournal.in/entertainment/muslim-activists-disrupt-the-kerala-story-screening-in-uk-engage-in-heated-argument-with-viewers-watch-video

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1.'Their husbands ' should be changed to 'their respective husbands ' 2. Spelling of 'faired' should be corrected to 'fared' Gyaan Sharma (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Done voorts (talk/contributions) 23:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

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Change "The Kerala Story is a 2023 Indian Hindi-language drama film directed by Sudipto Sen and produced by Vipul Amrutlal Shah" to "The Kerala Story movie is based on real incidents. 26 girls came in front of media to counter all the allegations, who were calling it a propaganda. Here is the press conference link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99UZMzkGWU 24.239.134.31 (talk) 07:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Not done. Please provide reliable sources to support your changes. Grabup (talk) 08:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

External Link

External link to be added as Films set in Afghanistan as the plot does involve a scene set in Afghanistan. Please add this under "external links" on the bottom of the Misplaced Pages page. 120.150.118.212 (talk) 11:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Not done. Please provide reliable sources to support your changes. Thesaurabhsaha (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

refer to the "plot" 120.150.118.212 (talk) 11:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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You cannot have a one sided page with in accurate representations made for liberal agenda.

It has to be fairly represented from both side of the coin

Wiki cannot have a biased or polarised opinion

Freedom of speech should be respected 37.131.72.135 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NOTFREESPEECH. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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103.206.172.226 (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

The movie is real story based.

No it isn't. Bishonen | tålk 20:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC).

the kerala movie 117.228.62.133 (talk) 09:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Box office add money.

Box office est. ₹260 crore (US$32 million) 169.148.30.143 (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Typo

theres a typo it says wildy inaccurate should be wildly* 72.205.168.63 (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed it now. Thanks for suggesting the edit! Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her) 19:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

This page is totally biased.

There are several evidence from NIA and 2009 high court judgements. Well, 26 real life witness are shown by the movie director and producer to prove it is a real story. The supreme court has ordered to put disclaimer that it is the fictionalized reperesentation of real life events. Justice Chandrachud also stated if you don't like it then don't watch it. I am giving reference to 26 victims that were taken to isis from kerela https://www.news18.com/movies/the-kerala-story-team-introduces-26-real-victims-vipul-shah-says-people-tried-to-discredit-us-over-32000-7841089.html NDTV has also opined that love jihad is prevalent everywhere and not only in kerela, the earlier editor of ndtv criticised kerela story but now it is praised by ndtv NDTV says it's just not kerela story Misplaced Pages page mentions only criticism but not support towards the film. Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story Misplaced Pages page only shows the negative side and ignores the support by everyone, many actors and actresses have supported it. Supreme court also says the disclaimer should be that it is fictionalized version in movie of the events happened, it has not said that film is fiction. where is the evidence that is fiction? who said that? Only the leftist and some unreliable data which has nothing to do with real evidence. I hope my references will be added and the support for the movie will be shown on wiki page and also the change will be made that film represents fictionalized version of the events happened , it is not fiction, it has not authentic evidence to backup 32000 girls claim but can claim thousands. The supreme court judgement should be interpreted in the same manner as it said, and it doesn't say that is fiction. Kanewiki01 (talk) 09:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The source there for the 26 people paraded on stage says "alleged", so it's just more rumour. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm providing another sources which does not use the word alleged for these 26 victims. and also why there is no mention of support for the kerela story? it only mentions criticism. NDTV has published recently which talks about kerela story and you are ignoring it. https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/the-kerala-story-row-26-survivors-of-radicalisation-take-stage-reveal-chilling-reality-articleshow.html Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Now you are citing a deprecated source known for fake news. See WP:REPUBLICTV. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, Here are the reliable sources which says that the movie is fictional. The Independent, BBC, and The Time magazine. Grabup (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

These are not the sources which proves the kerela story is unreal. these are opinions by critics.It cannot be taken into account because of the biasness of the editor publishing that. NDTV has previously opined that kerela story is false and gave it 1 star but now another editor of NDTV is in support for kerela story. The main fact which can be taken into account is of the supreme court. Supreme court has not ordered the directors to put disclaimers that is fictional but it stated to put disclaimer of fictional representation of events. 3 women named fatima, mathhews and geetanjali were taken to isis and they have joined it. There is even a whole interview of Fatima about it, she is in afghanistan jail and her intreview is available in public domain. Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Those articles are articles (not opinion pieces) from three highly reliable sources. So far you have only provided one deprecated source. Googleguy007 (talk) 19:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

And also Why there is no mention of support of the kerela story in wiki page when most of the people are supporting it except oppositions and political parties. There is no mention of bolywood and every celebrity supporting it and there has been even rallies adn mass gatherings evrywhere to support it. Please this biasness needs to be stopped, care about the women have gone through this and you are bias towards showing that it never happened. atleast mention the supports, and why to ignore supreme court's decision of not qualifying it a fictional movie but it qualifies it as fictional representation of real life events.It is the highest court in India and decisions are based on evidence not on critics and opinions. Therefore please mention that film is a fictional representaion of real life events in the wikipedia page. Believing editors of news channel can differ and is high inappropriate because of their own biasness and political agendas. Kindly look into it please. Kanewiki01 (talk) 17:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an article about a movie. It is not an article about real life events. And Misplaced Pages does not base content on how a random contributor interprets Indian Supreme court rulings. Or on the rulings themselves for that matter. The supreme court has no authority here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

But movie reflects real life events and the article says it's fictional and it is fictional is based on refrences of opinions of particular editors. It's ignoring NDTV's latest opinion and also it has no mention how much support it has received all over india. I have already put all the references of support. It's not my interpretation, a random people with some rational understanding can read the judgement. Supreme court also removed the ban but even if supreme court's judgement is not reliable then why is the references of latest NDTV's article is not reliable? The board of indian censorship of films has also approved it based on evidence but this wikipedia page is ignoring all the facts and relies on total biasness and erroneous opinions of crtics. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NOTFORUM. Your personal opinions regarding 'bias' do not overrule Misplaced Pages policy, your personal interpretation of the supreme court ruling is utterly irrelevant, and you have made no policy-based arguments here. And we don't exclude sources because they are written by 'critics'. That would be utterly absurd. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Why is wikipedia page ignoring the articles that states that it is real like NDTV? Why is it ignoring the support towards The kerela story movie but it mentions criticism? Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I am also citing references that states that directors have no authentic data to prove the number 32000 but there is enough evidence to prove that the story of 3 women as depicted in movie is totally real. One more important fact that movie does not mention 32000 figure, it only shows 3 girl's story representing thousand. I hope this reference will be considered reliable now. https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/

https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/general-news/the-kerala-story-row-26-survivors-of-radicalisation-take-stage-reveal-chilling-reality-articleshow.html

https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/the-kerala-story-not-just-keralas-story-4057258 Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I am citing all the references but still you presume that it is my opinion. Sir it is a serious matter so please check to the references I have mentioned, it's totally inappropriate to not even check it sir. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The NDTV source which you have provided is an opinion of that particular author and it will be not considered as fully reliable as mentioned at WP:GREL

a specific subcategory of the source is less reliable (such as opinion pieces in a newspaper), the source is making an exceptional claim, or a different standard of sourcing is required (WP:MEDRS, WP:BLP) for the statement in question.

The Republic World is a unreliable source as per WP:REPUBLICTV. You can use the Time Magazine which mentioned The Kerala Story a fictional movie. Grabup (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I am talking about The Kerela story and you are talking about the kashmir files.Is this ignorance? why are you not reading The times article, it states about the data which is proved, it mentions clearly about 200 girls and 4 girls and what about the references which describes about the support. It is mentioned about criticism and protest against it but not support for the film. Why is it so? Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, Actually I can’t find any “200” or “Two Hundred” mentions on the Time Magazine. Please write it here. Grabup (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

According to the U.S. State Department, “66 known Indian-origin fighters” were affiliated with the IS as of November 2020, while India’s National Investigation Agency said in September 2021 that it had arrested 168 people connected to 37 cases “of terror attacks, conspiracy, and funding” inspired by the IS. Indian officials have also stated that four women from Kerala who had joined the IS were in jail in Afghanistan.

https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/

One important point is, the film does not mention the figure of 32000 women, it is a true story of 3 women reflecting thousands, this is what the real film shows. So please take this reference as consideration sir. And also check the points I mentioned about the support for kerela story,please also review it, since the criticism and protest is mentioned under the response heading in wikipedia page, so the support for the film should also be mentioned under response heading. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The film doesn’t mentions the “32000” number because they got criticised by everyone. They initially mentioned this number to the trailer teaser of the movie and the director him self claimed this number as per The Quint. Grabup (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

We are discussing about the movie not the teaser and there is no mention of any figure inside film. I have already mentioned many sources and references that 4 women who are shown in the movie are real and the most reliable reference even was given by you so ofcourse a big thanks to you and also mention about the support of the kerela movie under the response heading as I have also provided all reliable references that states that they are in support of it. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, I think you agreed now that the director falsely claimed the “32000” number right? Grabup (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

No the directors have recently stated that have the evidence but it cannot be proved under the court of law and the films only reflects the true story of 4 women so we should take that number into account if it is true or not and according to the references and authentic sources those 4 women are still in afghanistan's jail though one has commited suicide and even the interview is available in public domain. The time has also mentioned about many women joining ISIS from kerela so it is just based on that. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, These things are already mentioned on the article. Here Grabup (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

No sir the main issue is that the wikipedia article in it's introductory sentence states that it's a fictional movie so the word fictional movie should be removed or it could be added that fictional representation of real life events as stated by supreme court. One more thing sir, please add NDTV's latest response under critics reception and also add support for the movie under the response heading. i am not biased to support the movie but the article is just stating the negative sides like only protest but not mentioning about support. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, See Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources. 3 major reliable sources mentioned this movie as a fictional movie. Misplaced Pages is based on reliable sources. Can you provide me a source where a reliable source not the Supreme Court clearly says that the movie is “ representation of real life events”? Grabup (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Time does not mention it as fictional story rather it defines the number of girl that were taken to ISIS so it proves that is not fictional. https://time.com/6280955/kerala-story-movie-india/

Timesofindia also uses the words such as movie inspired by real events.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/the-kerala-story-whats-the-real-story-behind-this-brouhaha-etimes-explainer/articleshow/100160689.cms?from=mdr Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The Time Magazine clearly mentioned this movie as fictional as it says

The low-budget Hindi film directed by Sudipto Sen, which was released in cinemas last Friday, tells the “fictional story” of three women from the southern state of Kerala who are lured into joining the Islamic State (IS) group after being converted to Islam.

And the meaning of “Representation of real life events” and “inspired by” is totally deferent. Grabup (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

But the time also mentions the number of the victims so it reflects time also suggests fictional story of real events because if it didn't want to it would not show that the 4 women were taken to isis. Yes,I agree so you can add inspired by true events. It is better than fictional events which make the whole movie wrong even though it rotates around only 4 characters Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The Time mentions it because it is the story of the movie. The Time Magazine says that the film shows us a fictional story of Three women. The Time Magazine haven’t mentioned that its based on true story or something. Please understand The Time Magazine mentioned it because it is the plot of the movie it never suggested that the movie is real life based. And I don’t know from where you are getting the number four? Grabup (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Some more evidence to prove it's real. The evidence is presented to supreme court under this, you can read the evidences under the following that it is happening in Kerela.

https://main.sci.gov.in/supremecourt/2017/19702/19702_2017_Judgement_08-Mar-2018.pdf

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/

The evidence in these matters are accpeted thus they are more reliable.

I am also citing reference for all the NIA chargesheets for this matter.

https://nia.gov.in/writereaddata/Portal/CasesPdfDoc/CS_27-01-2017_-RC-02-2016-KOC-1.pdf

https://www.nia.gov.in/writereaddata/Portal/CasesPdfDoc/CS_RC-14_2015_NIA_DLI-1.pdf Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The Times of India is generally reliable and sometimes not generally reliable as per WP:TOI mentions

The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government. The publication is also known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage.

Grabup (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

but the time is mentioning the numbers and even data, it cannot be ignored sir. Also how would we know if TOI is not reliable this time? I have also mentioned all the suits inside which valid evidence which were accepted are provided Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The source from Times of India that you provided is an Etime Explainer article not a normal news article. To confirm the reliability you have to provide more reliable sources which mentions this movie as inspired by real life events. Grabup (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I have mentioned NIA Chragesheets and 2 suits which reflects that it has happened with many girls from the kerela. Please look into it sir Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Sir we can also not ignore the data provide by times and bbc so it also proves it real, just the mere use of fictional story in an article cannot reflect if it is fiction. The articles by bbc and times also published the data of 168 girls and so on which is difficult to reject.Also NDTV's latest opinion should be added under critics reception and support by bolywood celebrities and audience should also be added under the response heading. I have stated reference for support and if wiki mentions criticsm so it also needs to mention the support for it to not sound bias against a particular movie. Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

BBC also mentions the same number and date provided by the times so it is clear that is inspired by true events and film reflects only the story of 4 girls so it cannot be repudiated if we look into the data.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65481927 Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kanewiki01, The fictional line will be not removed as sources clearly mentions it. The NDTV opinion will be not added because it is an opinion not a movie review which is already there on the article. The inspired by real life events will be not added because there are no secondary reliable sources which clearly mentions this movie to be inspired by real events. But you are right that the support should be added. You can create another thread and write what you think should be added about the support from bollywood with reliable sources. An editor will review it and if everything is good then it will be added under the response heading. Grabup (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

yes thanks a lot sir I will make a different thread for it but sir i looked into an article in wikipedia it says that the judgement of courts are reliable source under wikipedia so Supreme court's judgement is highly authoritative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(law) Kanewiki01 (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Sir also one more doubt, that all the reliable sources are mentioning about the real data so it proves that it has happened but on the other hand they have merely used word fictional story so I think it's two sided when we have the data of girls then how could it be false? Thus Supreme court's judgement is most accurate that is fictionalized story of real life events. Because the data and numbers are provided in websites. Can we not mention the data and numbers of the girls from Kerela who were taken to ISIS because? Kanewiki01 (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

That's an essay, not a policy, and it says nothing about Misplaced Pages being able to use a judgment in a court of law as a reliable source. Not a word. And of course we can't do that — it would fly in the face of common sense. Kanewiki01, you are seriously beginning to waste people's time here, and I'm beginning to consider blocking you from this page. Please don't offer Misplaced Pages pages, such as Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources (law), here without first having made an honest effort to read and understand them. Bishonen | tålk 21:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC).

yes it was my mistake I didn't read about supreme court's judgement reliablity on wikipedia but the other points that I have mentioned are valid like data of girls taken to ISIS and the support towards the Kerela story. Kanewiki01 (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Sir please respond me last time, why is my references not apporpriate and if you don't find them appropriate. I will wait for other administrators to look into the references so it's a request to not collapse it please. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

You have already been warned for disruptive editing. You have been notified on your talk page regarding the 'contentious topics' rules applicable here. I suggest you drop this blatant attempt to impose your own partisan views on the article before you are sanctioned for doing so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem sir. I will wait for another administrator to review my references and the points I mentioned. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not an administrator. Administrators have no special authority when it comes to content disputes. They do whoever have authority to impose sanctions on those who abuse article talk pages in order to promote partisan views. For which you have provided ample evidence above. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators can atleast edit these pages and I have not mentioned any of my views. I am just stating the points that are mentioned in the references. Well, I hope someone would review it soon and edit the page without any biases. Kanewiki01 (talk) 19:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I seem to remember you saying something about “only leftists denying the movie”. Misplaced Pages editors have this magical ability called “inference” it lets us look at what someone is saying and come to a pretty solid understanding of their opinions. Googleguy007 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

It's because the references and points I am mentioning are being ignored but all the flaws of the movies are clearly reflected on wikipedia page. Sorry but I don't believe in magic rather I beleieve in facts without biases Kanewiki01 (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Your own biases are rather obvious. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Pretty clear who is bias, just read wikipedia's page and you will get the idea regarding that and how you are ignoring my points like support under response heading and data of 168 girls to ISIS Kanewiki01 (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

You do realize how many people there are in India right? You are talking about 0.00000012% of the population. It's a statistical anomaly, one way or another. More people joined Islamic State from the UK, a country with only 80 million people. As one researcher put it: "In fact, this number is so small that most academics and experts often ask the question ‘What had prevented Indian Muslims from joining the Islamic State?'" Iskandar323 (talk) 09:03, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No we just have the evidence of the few people, and even for taking one person from hinduism to join ISIS involves brainwashing by thousands of persons. We cannot convince a person and that too from different religion to join ISIS if they don't have enough groups or community to carry out their covert operations. The data according to NIA was 300 as I have shown the chargeheets and 300 people per year so just know how many people are taken from here.That's pretty logical and as your name suggests you're a member of muslim or arab groups so you are biased towards them. Therefore, please stop the conversation and let me wait for other administrators. Kanewiki01 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Add Support Subheading under The response heading

Misplaced Pages page mentions only criticism and protest under the response heading but not support towards the film. So I'm listing some references below- Ram gopal verma comes in support of the kerela story Shabana Azmi in support of The kerela story Kangana Ranaut supports The kerela story Anupam kher defends the kerela story https://www.cnbctv18.com/entertainment/work-of-art-kerala-catholic-bishops-council-comes-out-in-support-of-the-kerala-story-16618241.htm https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/kangana-ranaut-calls-ban-on-the-kerala-story-unconstitutional-8625305/#:~:text=Actor%20Kangana%20Ranaut%20on%20Tuesday,amounts%20to%20insulting%20the%20constitution. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/to-ban-is-just-wrong-anurag-kashyap-tweets-amid-controversy-around-the-kerala-story-4021904 Kanewiki01 (talk) 09:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Number of people joined Isis from kerala

article mentions quarter of hundred people joined isis from kerala. Here chief minister of kerala says 100 malayali has joined isis https://keralakaumudi.com/en/news/mobile/news.php?id=646343&u=100-malayalis-joined-isis-all-except-six-born-into-muslim-community-says-cm-vijayan-646343 Add this to introduction section 117.196.48.141 (talk) 09:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

It says that almost all were already Muslim / 72 went overseas for professional purposes before later joining Isis (so did not join from India) - none of which bears any relation to the crap being spouted in connection with this stupid film - but most importantly, the minister states: None of these figures validate the propaganda that girls are being lured into conversion and terrorist organizations. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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