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| Original research devised from two tangentially related articles. Essentially an attack page against Putin. ] ] ] 04:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | Original research devised from two tangentially related articles. Essentially an attack page against Putin. ] ] ] 04:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| * '''Comment''' This page also derives from a series of incivil edits on ]. This article was created in essence to accuse several editors, including administrator ] of editing on behalf of the KGB. ] ] ] 05:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | * '''Comment''' This page also derives from a series of incivil edits on ]. This article was created in essence to accuse several editors, including administrator ] of editing on behalf of the KGB. ] ] ] 05:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| **'''Comment''' While I respect you as an administrator, there is nothing on the article that accuses any editors of editing on behalf of the "KGB" (in actuality, it's the FSB, but that's another story). That is extremely unfair to accuse him of saying that, as I was the one who made those comments, whereas he only wrote an article about internet troll squads. As well, I would like to point out that no one is mentioned in the article, so I feel like that you are really being judgmental.] 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' Looks like a hoax to me, but I can't read Russian either, so the sources really mean nothing to me. If its not a joke, perhaps '''Merge''' with ]] 08:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' Looks like a hoax to me, but I can't read Russian either, so the sources really mean nothing to me. If its not a joke, perhaps '''Merge''' with ]] 08:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' Looks like a conspiracy theory to me. -- ] 13:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' Looks like a conspiracy theory to me. -- ] 13:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
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| :::'''Reply.''' See ]. "Sources in other languages are acceptable if no English equivalents have been found. Published translations are preferred to editors' translations; when editors use their own translations, the original-language material should be provided too, preferably in a footnote, so that readers can check the translation for themselves." This is satisfied. Just in case, I will then copy the complete translation of the source to the article's talk page. See: ] ] 18:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | :::'''Reply.''' See ]. "Sources in other languages are acceptable if no English equivalents have been found. Published translations are preferred to editors' translations; when editors use their own translations, the original-language material should be provided too, preferably in a footnote, so that readers can check the translation for themselves." This is satisfied. Just in case, I will then copy the complete translation of the source to the article's talk page. See: ] ] 18:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| '''Just another comment''' User Biophys has been warned twice for uncivil behaviour: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive78#If_this_a_personal_attack and here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Again_personal_attack_by_Biophys. So it's hard to belive that Biophys is concerned about Misplaced Pages. It was the Biophys who first claimed that KGB trolls are present in the Misplaced Pages by creating such an . So basically he wants to defame Wikipedians with this article - it is an attack page ]. Moreover, Biophys is the user who publishes in Misplaced Pages information taken from the blog La Rusophobe with telling name. His edits are directed against Russian government. He also tried twice to insert a text about Putin Phallus into the ] article. he tried to create an article in Misplaced Pages about blog La Russophobe but it was deleted.] 18:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | '''Just another comment''' User Biophys has been warned twice for uncivil behaviour: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive78#If_this_a_personal_attack and here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Again_personal_attack_by_Biophys. So it's hard to belive that Biophys is concerned about Misplaced Pages. It was the Biophys who first claimed that KGB trolls are present in the Misplaced Pages by creating such an . So basically he wants to defame Wikipedians with this article - it is an attack page ]. Moreover, Biophys is the user who publishes in Misplaced Pages information taken from the blog La Rusophobe with telling name. His edits are directed against Russian government. He also tried twice to insert a text about Putin Phallus into the ] article. he tried to create an article in Misplaced Pages about blog La Russophobe but it was deleted.] 18:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :'''Reply.''' Vlad has trolled Biophys constantly, and I feel that personal attacks do not belong here. ] 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::'''Reply.''' Please see: ] ] ] 18:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ::'''Reply.''' Please see: ] ] ] 18:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::'''Reply to your Reply''' Please see ]. ] 18:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ::::'''Reply to your Reply''' Please see ]. ] 18:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
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| *'''Delete''' - first of all, if this article was alone, it would probably only just be a weak delete; while there is one source provided, it does not back up any claim this this is either a notable or even realistic problem. Furthermore, this article appears to be some kind of personal vendetta the creator has against another Wikipedian - in my books, that's ]. --] 06:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' - first of all, if this article was alone, it would probably only just be a weak delete; while there is one source provided, it does not back up any claim this this is either a notable or even realistic problem. Furthermore, this article appears to be some kind of personal vendetta the creator has against another Wikipedian - in my books, that's ]. --] 06:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete'''. It's surely a conspiracy theory. ] 11:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | *'''Delete'''. It's surely a conspiracy theory. ] 11:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| :'''Reply.'''. If it's surely a conspiracy theory, then you must have some proof that it is right? ] 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. I feel that while it is a good article, it needs more sources to cite for it to be as reliable as people want.] 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Internet troll squads
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Original research devised from two tangentially related articles. Essentially an attack page against Putin. ⇒ SWATJester 04:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment This page also derives from a series of incivil edits on User talk:Biophys#Vlad. This article was created in essence to accuse several editors, including administrator User:Alex Bakharev of editing on behalf of the KGB. ⇒ SWATJester 05:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment While I respect you as an administrator, there is nothing on the article that accuses any editors of editing on behalf of the "KGB" (in actuality, it's the FSB, but that's another story). That is extremely unfair to accuse him of saying that, as I was the one who made those comments, whereas he only wrote an article about internet troll squads. As well, I would like to point out that no one is mentioned in the article, so I feel like that you are really being judgmental.CPTGbr 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a hoax to me, but I can't read Russian either, so the sources really mean nothing to me. If its not a joke, perhaps Merge with Troll (Internet)Gelston 08:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a conspiracy theory to me. -- Pious7 13:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
* Comment The sources are in english Whoops, confused this with a different russian language article. ⇒ SWATJester 15:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- 'Delete - Original research.--Tom 17:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete - Except for being hoax, original research, and the term "troll squads" being coined by Biophys - the author of this article, this article was created by him in order to defame and slander me and Alex Bakharev. Please see the evidence here "KGB trolls in Misplaced Pages?" Vlad fedorov 17:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Keep (I am creator of this article). First, this is obviously not OR, which is claimed as the reason for deletion. Everything is taken from the sources. Article is based on a single reliable source, which is perfectly consitent with Misplaced Pages policies. Second, English translation of main source has been provided in the article. See: . So, could you please read this translation, and then decide if the subject is a "hoax" and notable. As explained on talk page, this is a reliable source. Third, this article say nothing personal about Putin except that FSB workers admire him (which is probably true). So, this is not attack against Putin. Finally, this article has not been created to accuse Misplaced Pages editors. I planned to create it long time ago, as anyone can see looking at my personal page User:Biophys#Links_and_notes and Talk:Persecution_of_political_bloggers#English_translation_of_Russian_article_about_.22Internet_troll_squads.22 where the same source has been used. Further, I have never made any personal accusations of that kind. If someone else did, this is not my problem. The subject about "FSB trolls in Misplaced Pages" was opened by an anonymous user in talk page FSB, so I have mostly reacted on that. I also did not want people to discuss accusations not related to me at my talk page. Biophys 17:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment. Just a side comment. I think that comments and opinions like this one: Talk:Federal_Security_Service_of_the_Russian_Federation#Infiltration undermine credibility of Misplaced Pages. That was one of the reasons I have created this article. I think such questions must be openly debated. That is Misplaced Pages policy to openly debate any problems (but of course without personal offences). That is why I made this notice: "KGB trolls in Misplaced Pages?" If we delete this article now, then what this anonymous user and other people could think? They (not me!) will think: "Yes, of course, those KGB trolls could not tolerate such article in Misplaced Pages." Sorry, but they will think so. Biophys 17:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Comment to your commentThe Single translation is located at blogspot.com. A blog is not a reliable source.Gelston 17:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. See WP:V#Language. "Sources in other languages are acceptable if no English equivalents have been found. Published translations are preferred to editors' translations; when editors use their own translations, the original-language material should be provided too, preferably in a footnote, so that readers can check the translation for themselves." This is satisfied. Just in case, I will then copy the complete translation of the source to the article's talk page. See: Talk:Internet_troll_squads Biophys 18:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Just another comment User Biophys has been warned twice for uncivil behaviour: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive78#If_this_a_personal_attack and here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Again_personal_attack_by_Biophys. So it's hard to belive that Biophys is concerned about Misplaced Pages. It was the Biophys who first claimed that KGB trolls are present in the Misplaced Pages by creating such an entry. So basically he wants to defame Wikipedians with this article - it is an attack page Misplaced Pages:Attack_page. Moreover, Biophys is the user who publishes in Misplaced Pages information taken from the blog La Rusophobe with telling name. His edits are directed against Russian government. He also tried twice to insert a text about Putin Phallus into the Phallus article. he tried to create an article in Misplaced Pages about blog La Russophobe but it was deleted.Vlad fedorov 18:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. Vlad has trolled Biophys constantly, and I feel that personal attacks do not belong here. CPTGbr 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. Please see: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov Biophys 18:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply to your Reply Please see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Biophys. Vlad fedorov 18:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply. Please see: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov Biophys 18:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - POV/OR. FCYTravis 18:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - no assertion of notability, no reliable sources cited as is required. Probable OR. Moreschi 22:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - first of all, if this article was alone, it would probably only just be a weak delete; while there is one source provided, it does not back up any claim this this is either a notable or even realistic problem. Furthermore, this article appears to be some kind of personal vendetta the creator has against another Wikipedian - in my books, that's WP:POINT. --Haemo 06:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. It's surely a conspiracy theory. ellol 11:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Reply.. If it's surely a conspiracy theory, then you must have some proof that it is right? CPTGbr 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. I feel that while it is a good article, it needs more sources to cite for it to be as reliable as people want.CPTGbr 20:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)