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Linkspamming Talk:Main Page linking to possibly explicit content

I've seen this at least twice by 2 different users, and I've only been checking at random. See for example: . I've added all the domains to the spam blacklist that don't currently have external links in other articles. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-03-13 13:48Z

Disruptive editing by User:Smee

I know that WP:DR is that-a-way but I think this is moving over to WP:DE. Quick details:

• I asked User:Bishonen to help address Smee's WP:DE and detailed the then latest episode of Smee's WP:DE here. She politely declined and suggested asking User:Jossi.
• User:BTfromLA, a respected neutral editor had just returned so I asked him to mediate. He offered and experienced, in his words, "abrupt rebuff of my attempt to address the problem". I asked Smee nicely to reconsider BT's offer but he did not respond.
• Smee then continued his WP:DE at David Gaiman, edit warring with me over a simple {{notability}} tag for an WP:BLP that clearly, IMO, has notability issues.
• Smee then continued his WP:DE at The Bridge (film) with two rude reverts (likely his 5th or 6th reverts there in 24 hrs) to BTfromLA, a respected neutral editor; behavior that prompted BTfromLA to agree "I certainly see the problem." Smee also likely violated 3RR on that article but the WP:DE is more obvious and is blatant.

Will some admin please help me? This has been going on for a while but this recent is just over-the-top. Thanks. --Justanother 05:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Abusive/disruptive pattern of "Justanother"

• The user in question Justanother has a pattern of abuse and disruptive editing. Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive206#BabyDweezil_redux:_proposing_a_one-month_block, for Comments by Admin Bishonen on his inappropriate behaviour and disruption of a previous ANI discussion. Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive214#User:Justanother_restoring_harassing_edits_made_by_a_sockpuppet_of_a_banned_user.2C_and_growing_incivility, for comments by user/respected editor Athaenara on his inappropriate behaviour. The user likes to engage in off-topic insults, name calling, and inappropriate language and behaviour, restoring edits by banned sockpuppeteer User:The real Barbara Schwarz (twice now), and other inappropriate behaviour too numerous to count. Thank you for your time, I am glad you are looking into this matter. Yours, Smee 05:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Please also see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Barbara Schwarz (4th nomination), and TedFrank comment on disruption of Misplaced Pages by Justanother: This is a disruptive AfD, and Justanother should withdraw it. But the supporters of the article do themselves no favors when they recursively comment on every single input, and both sides have problems with WP:CIVIL. Thanks. Smee 05:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Since the "accused" in these situations usually says the same thing and is hardly ever believed, it seems worth mentioning that more than one editor feels that Justanother is a disruptive editor himself. I have only encountered him directly on the Barbara Schwarz article, but in doing so found myself with serious WP:COI concerns about him which he has gone to great lengths to avoid discussion of. He also appears to bait his opponents at any opportunity, an example can be seen on my talk page: User_talk:Anynobody. There are at least a few others who would agree, however it is not my place to speak for them. (However it would not surprise me if others posted similar feelings.) Anynobody 06:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I concur with both Anynobody and Smee, and will keep my comments here brief. I note Smee quotes TedFrank's comment in the AfD, and I must confess I have bitten the bait laid out for me too often, as indicated by Ted's response. However there are numerous instances where User:Justanother has indulged in WP:DE himself. Orsini 11:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I also concur with the observations in re user Justanother's persistent disruption, which has repeatedly bloated procedural discussions with taunts and irrelevant tangents. — Athænara ✉ 03:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Question, User:Athaenara. How would you characterize this and this (References to Munchausen, etc.)? Because it looks to me that you are engaging in a bit of "bloated procedural discussions with taunts and irrelevant tangents" yourself there. --Justanother 04:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Third party observations

• Justanother accurately portrays my comments and experiences above, but I have since had a bit of interaction with Smee that was much less contentious than indicated there, and that leaves me much more hopeful that a truce, at least, can be reached when dealing with articles of mutual interest to these editors. My surprise at the "abrupt rebuff" turns out to have been partly due to a misunderstanding--I had thought Smee's edit summary saying something to the effect of "don't post on my talk page" was aimed at me, but I now see that he(?) was responding to Justanother--in other words, his response to my offer to help with the problem was fairly non-responsive, but not hostile, as I had originally thought. I later reiterated my offer, which Smee politely declined. I did indeed experience the frustration Justanother talks about when editing The Bridge (film) and experiencing Smee's instantaneous reverts of my good faith edit. However, Smee eventually did read my rationale on the talk page, considered the edit, and agreed that not only was it worth allowing to stand for comment, but that it actually did represent a small improvement in the article. So, happy ending. He followed it with some friendly words about my manner as an editor. My sense is that this conflict can be resolved with a mutual agreement to assume good faith and to limit disputes to substantive article changes, allowing others to deal with the small stuff. Both editors are capable of working civily. Justanother clearly wants some sort of mutually acceptible understanding to be brokered; if Smee agrees to some sort of arbitration, formal or otherwise, I think it can. BTfromLA 06:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

As a pretty much disinterested observer that doesn't have much stake in the issues concerned, I have been shocked at some of the language used by User:Justanother, including the f.word etc, and the way he interacts with other editors who happen not to share his opinion on scientology topics.Merkinsmum 13:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Justanother sometimes not politically correct with edit-warring propagandists and bigots (and yes, I have diffs) that, in addition to relentless disruptive edit-warring with me, engage in further disruptive activity such as that at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Barbara Schwarz (4th nomination) that prompted one editor to remark "Calling for an editor to be blocked for a supportable opinion is odious", an opinion expressed by others in that AfD. So, yes, I am sometimes short with them or sarcastic and on one noted and isolated occasion almost two weeks ago, I lost my temper and used the s-word (and the mf-word) to refer to myself on my own talk page. Sorry if that offends. PS, I have plenty more examples of Smee's WP:DE pattern if any admin wants to see. I was hoping to handle it with WP:DR but he rejected a good-faith attempt to do so and only increased his WP:DE, hoping, as always, to hide it beneath a mountain of misdirection and "who, me?" This will form the extent of my remarks to misdirection such as that already offered by four editors (Smee, Anynobody, Orsini, and now Merkinsmum) above. Thank you and please let me know if you need more diffs, including any to support my charges of propagandizing (Smee being the main propagandist) and bigotry (not Smee particularly), charges not being brought here except as background, because I have plenty of diffs. --Justanother 13:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh please Justanother, you know the perception "....that prompted one editor to remark "Calling for an editor to be blocked for a supportable opinion is odious", an opinion expressed by others in that AfD" is based upon a false premise used to manufacture a COI issue for User:Tilman, also based on faulty premises, and someone fell for that premise. The reality is somewhat different; Tilman suggested you were blocked based upon your WP:DE behavior and your support of another’s behavior on Talk:Barbara Schwarz, which was also aggressively disruptive. I was tempted to respond to the edit you cite, but recalling Ted's observation, figured doing so there would only add to the noise. Orsini 19:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Shame on you, Orsini. Why not assume good faith and intelligence on the part of User:Shenme that he could correctly evaluate what Tilman was talking about. Let's make it crystal clear what Tilman was talking about by linking to the diffs of Tilman's actual postings instead of to one of you muddying the waters (as you and others continue to attempt here). Here he calls for my block after I began asking seriously about starting an AfD for Schwarz. Here is Tilman making essentially the same call for my block for bringing the AfD (actually he thinks he has a double-whammy reason for blocking me there). You know, Orsini, that your misrepresentation is disrespectful of the board if not downright trolling. --Justanother 19:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Justanother, please stop your personal attacks. You were warned on your Talk page, and I note you have removed the warning with a clearly uncivil edit summary. I have certainly AGF on the part of User:Shenme, and I don't believe it is me who is doing the misrepresentation. Omission of pertinent details will lead to faulty conclusions. This diff, including the preceding comments I made which appear at the top, is a brief summary of that which anyone examining Archive 10 of Talk:Barbara Schwarz can clearly see for themselves as to why User:Tilman called for you to be blocked, if they care to examine it. Hint: it was not because you were calling for an AfD; try looking at your previous edit here for the basis of his reasoning, and mine, for that suggestion. Orsini 00:48, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Accusations of "propagandizing" and "bigotry" are not within WP:CIVIL discourse. Criticize edits, not editors. -- TedFrank 13:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Respectfully disagree, Ted. Discussion of propagandizing is comment on edits and is entirely appropriate and I accuse Smee of propagandizing but I am not making that accusation formally here; it is more appropriate for WP:DR progressive handling, IMO. Please see Wp:not#Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox which prohibits "Propaganda or advocacy of any kind." As far as bigotry, I am specifically not accusing Smee of expressing bigotry but that is something that I deal with from a few other editors and I can back that up with diffs. I only mention it in the context of my replies to such, which can be a bit acerbic. Thanks. --Justanother 15:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:VANDAL prohibits vandalism of any kind, but that doesn't mean indiscriminately calling editors vandals is within WP:CIVIL. From what I've seen there's a content dispute, often over trivial matters, with both sides resorting to trying to get their way through attrition and every so often making a tactical yield to seem reasonable and stay within 3RR. If there's a propagandizing problem, it's resolved with POV tags and RFCs, not edit wars and repetitious AfDs and back-and-forth tattling about which neutral editor W said X about Y. That goes for both of you: whichever one of you is in the right is playing into the hands of the other by burying the issue in back-and-forth so that no one neutral wants to get involved. Perhaps Smee is POV-pushing, but you've made it near-impossible to tell by your conduct. It's much easier to conclude that everyone is in the wrong. -- TedFrank 16:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

While following a few other outlinks, I fell into the tit-for-tat between both of these editors at the The Bridge (film) article. I find that each editor spends probably 45% of their time undoing the work of the other, another 45% looking for ways to "improve" the article in a way that the other won't like, and the final 10% doing good and useful work. Maybe that's exaggeration, but it is my perception because I have become so exhausted watching the ping-pong and sniping that I have essentially given up on that article, leaving it to them to argue over, and decided to move on to things less stressful. Neither editor is wholly without blame and while Smee's words may be less caustic, his actions are nonetheless just as tiring. My biggest concern with the situation is that it will eventually end up at ArbCom (if it hasn't before, I haven't checked yet). Both users have their trenches dug and are simply hurling their own brands of grenades. ju66l3r 14:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's an exaggeration: these statistics seem to leave out the 60% of the time spent on Misplaced Pages: and Talk: pages. I don't think either side realizes the damage they do to their own case by failing to adhere to WP:CALM. -- TedFrank 16:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I am pretty calm lately, since I gave User:JustaHulk his own account. Smee is calm in his words but frantic in his WP:DE edit-warring as BTfromLA experienced very quickly. --Justanother 16:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have blocked User:Justanother for 24 hours for several reasons. 1) The above personal attacks namely accusing users of being "edit-warring propagandists and bigots" and of "downright trolling" 2) disruptive removal of legitimate warnings with hostile edit summaries , 3) use of single-purpose account User:JustaHulk to mess with User:Smee "remove "welcome" from someone that does not seem "welcoming" at all". I have indefinitely blocked that account as a disruptive single-purpose account as well. Fellow admins, as always feel free to comment on my administrative actions. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 01:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I believe that Orsini did completely misread my comment, which was a face-value opinion. That Justanother did correctly point that out should be noted, though his comment may seen to be tainted. Further, a WP:NPA notice from what should have been noted as a fellow combatant is not a mere notice, but rather is likely to be seen as an incitement. (I believe that has been agreed by many here, something about ímpersonal template 'tags' for non-recent editors?) I worry that there is too much focus on "the lemming in the lead" here. Shenme 03:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

My apologies ] it was not my intent to misrepresent you or your comment. There is far more to the reason for Tilman's request that would first appear to be the issue, and I incorrectly presumed you had relied only on Justanother's comments in the AfD discussion for the basis of your comment. A review of Archive 10 of Talk:Barbara Schwarz will show there is more to Tilman's comment than Justanother wishes to cite. Orsini 04:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive editing by User:Smee continues - User Smee continues to edit war over the tags placed by other editors in the midst of discussions. At Tilman Hausherr (history) he pulls the same mergeto tag placed by three different editors and originally placed by a 4th editor, disrespecting the wishes of (4) editors in the midst of a discussion of the merits of a merge. After going 3RR he magnanimously declares "Will not revert again . . ." Pulling legitimate tags without appropriate discussion or agreement (consensus) is one of Smee's WP:DE practices. Sure wish one of you admins would quite enabling this disruptive editor. Just because someone has a smooth tongue does not forgive their WP:DE and my acerbic tongue does not make me the bad guy in this little drama. But I will curb my tongue so as to make other's attempts to muddy the waters a bit more difficult. Thank you. --Justanother 02:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Response by Smee

I have not edit warred on those particular articles. A merge tag is inappropriate if a majority of editors or even a large minority of editors are opposed to a merge. An AFD is more appropriate, in order to assess consensus for a "Merge" decision. In any rate, this is most certainly not "disruptive" behavior. Incidentally, it seems that this user above is the only user utilizing this word "disruptive" in this situation with regard to other individuals - whereas multiple other individuals have used the word "disruptive" with regard to Justanother's own caustic behavior. In any event, I am removing the page Tilman Hausherr from my watchlist. I am also not going to be monitoring this page WP:ANI on my watchlist - so as to avoid conflict and possible baiting into a back and forth discussion with the user in question. I would most appreciated it therefore if an editor (not Justanother) will inform me of how this proceeds. Thank you. Yours, Smee 02:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

• • • I think someone mentioned the Tilman Hausherr article dispute here. I am new here and still trying to learn some of the rules. I wish someone would look at Tilman's incivil behavior. He has accused me on the Tilman Hausherr disussion page of bad faith because I proposed a merge. His reason, according to him, stems from a edit war in the article Steve Hassan. Before I knew any better I edit wared with Tilman on that article's discussion page. He accused me of lying by omission and propaganda and other things. Could someone look into that and advice me please? John196920022001 10:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Request on WP:AIV and WP:RFC/NAME for User talk:I Want it that way

This User made the following comment on Backstreet Boys discography "Note2:Hi: I want speak with you I don't think black and blue sale just 15 million and this not with mind seven years just sale 15 million and they best boyband in the world, And your digit not true ever . take care before I wiping you from Misplaced Pages and I ravage your computer because you nuisance just here This user is also appears to be using multiple names Micheal-Nicks, Batguy, Richard Jone, Kmnmo, and has been extremely disruptive over the past two months (daily). All attempts to warm him of his/her errors and repeated removal of edits has not worked. Can someone please look into this and please take action. 59.124.99.83 16:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

User is referring to -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I Want it that way (talk · contribs), Batguy (talk · contribs), Micheal-Nick (talk · contribs), Richard Jone (talk · contribs) & Kmnmo (talk · contribs) do all have a very similar editing pattern... -- Scientizzle 16:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've added a npa4 warning at User talk:I Want it that way, the account that made the attack statement. -- Scientizzle 16:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Jonawiki and sockpuppetry

The person who registered the Jonawiki (talk · contribs) account is causing disruption at Star Wars Galaxies and Talk:Star Wars Galaxies, where he is using his sockpuppet Magonaritus (talk · contribs) (and vice-versa) to circumvent policy and influence an RfC. He has previously done the same at Upper Canada College and the relevant talk page for over a year. His demeanour is generally abrasive, and confrontational. All-together the user has violated WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:AGF, WP:CIV, WP:NPA, WP:NLT, WP:NOT#SOAP, WP:VAND, WP:POINT, and, of course, WP:SOCK, leading to edit wars and the pages being locked. Evidence has been outlined here. This user needs to be blocked. --G2bambino 16:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: User:Jonawiki is now causing issue at Monarchy in Canada to make a point. --G2bambino 18:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I am now looking into this — One of these has contacted me concerning wiki-stalking with regards to the complainant. Will post my findings. WormwoodJagger 19:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I don't mean to sound suspicious here, but User:WormwoodJagger is not listed as an administrator. Nor am I sure how anyone has contacted him about possible wiki-stalking, as I see no evidence of such, unless the intervener has contacts with the user(s) in question outside of Misplaced Pages. --G2bambino 22:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I was contacted inside Misplaced Pages concerning wikistalking. I can't say anything more until I've completed my invesitgations. If you have any further questions, please follow procedure and post on my talk page 74.110.212.198 22:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

No - I am not comfortable with your investigating anything. Your anon IP's edit history points towards you being aligned with the user(s) I have identified as disruptive and possibly sockpuppets. An actual administrator should handle this case. --G2bambino 23:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry -- you are not qualified to make that decision. I have been called in; it is too late. Your edits on Star Wars Galaxy have implicated you in a wiki-stalking invesitagtion that far exceeds only your minor contributions. Your assertion that I am aligned with others has been noted, and put on the record. Again, if you would like to discuss this further, please do not compromise this investigation any further, and follow protocol by contacting me on my web page. All best, WormwoodJagger 00:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WormwoodJagger, under what authority are you making these claims? You can't be claiming this authority as a member of Misplaced Pages:Association of Members' Advocates. That page clearly states that "Advocacy is not mandatory" and "Advocacy is NOT an official Misplaced Pages procedure." You state "I have been called in..." could you please inform as to who called you in. You also state "...please do not compromise this investigation any further, and follow protocol by contacting me on my web page." Could you provide details of what investigation, who set it up and under who's authority and where the protocol is posted on Wikipeda. I also find it very odd that you do not edit from September 2006, ignoring Magonaritus comments, until the 16 March. Just out of curiosity, do you deny that 74.110.212.198 is your IP? If I was G2bambino I would view your comments as a possible attempt at intimidation. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Not qualified? Anyone can ask for help from an admin. It is very inappropriate for you to try and disuade G2bambino from seeking assistance under the guise of authority you don't have. IrishGuy 01:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This is quite odd. Is it usual for an 'investigator' to have only 73 mainspace edits to just 13 articles, including edits to the article in dispute? I have noticed some sockpuppetry at Upper Canada College, but this is something else. -- zzuuzz 00:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess I violated a whole lot of policies... I thought I was following correct protocol... I'll recuse myself. Good luck! WormwoodJagger 16:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought I would clear the air —— I honestly thought I was an admin. I was notified about this affair by Blunders (phone). Neither Jonawiki, Magonaritus nor G2bambino contacted me. You can see here I have protected a page while I was advocating on August 25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Neurofunk&diff=prev&oldid=71784370). I guess I'm not anymore, given that I was afk for a few months.

Nonetheless: I'm obviously recusing myself. I thought, however, that, for whoever takes my place, I would offer the findings from my investigation:

There are several indications that place non-trivial doubt on the assertion that Jonawiki and Magonaritus are sockpuppets.

(1) G2bambino placed a request for checkuser on Magonaritus as a suspected sockpuppet. His request was declined on March 10, 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser&diff=114171374&oldid=114171183

(2) G2bambino asserts that Magonaritus and Jonawiki "always supports the opinions... of the other" (http://en.wikipedia.org/User:G2bambino/temp). However, this assertion is untrue. They have disagreed 4 times:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Star_Wars_Galaxies#Emulators: Jonawiki wanted to keep emulators in the Controversy section despite objections from Antman. Magonaritus agreed with Antman and moved it to a new Developments to Watch section.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Star_Wars_Galaxies#Freeman_.22Controversy.22 Jonawiki wanted to keep the description of a controversy involving Jeff Freeman. Magonaritus disagreed and argued that it should be deleted from the article.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Star_Wars_Galaxies#Freeman_.22Controversy.22 Jonawiki argued that the Bioware rumor should stay in the article. Magonaritus disagreed and argued that it should be deleted from the article.
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Upper_Canada_College#G2bambino:_Stop_Hiding_UCC.27s_Dirty_Laundry Magonaritus lightly chastises Jonawiki's demeanor with "no comment".

(3) Previous to the articles on Upper Canada College and Star Wars Galaxies, both Magonaritus and Jonawiki have a long list of different non-intersecting editing interests:

• Magonaritus edited O Rly?, Elephant, List of Internet slang phrases, Dragon, Harvard University, AOL, ICQ, Edgar Allen Poe, Urban Dictionary
• Jonawiki has edited Harvard College, Old Ones (Buffyverse), Roma people, Green tea, Auction, Monomyth, Teras Kasi, Carl Jung, Monarchy in Canada

(4) Per the "100 edit rule" as one possible test for sockpuppets (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wp:sockpuppet#When_questions_arise), the results do not really indicate that they are sockpuppets:

• Magonaritus has about 70 edits on pages other than Upper Canada College and Star Wars Galaxies
• Jonawiki has about 97 edits on pages other than Upper Canada College and Star Wars Galaxies

(5) On http://en.wikipedia.org/User:G2bambino/temp, G2bambino makes a decent case that 66.208.54.226 is Jonawiki. There's no crime in a user forgetting to log in every once in a while. Then he tries to show that Jonawiki and Magonaritus are the same user because they both made edits to articles about Harvard, however this link is pretty weak.

• Jonawiki edited Harvard College to create a new section list of famous alumni. Magonaritus never touched this article. 66.208.54.226 never touched this article.
• Magonaritus edited the Harvard UNIVERSITY article to add a pop culture reference. Jonawiki never touched this article. 66.208.54.226 never touched this article.

On the other hand, G2bambino has displayed what seems to me to be disruptive behaviour, and proprietary interest in the UCC article, given his several hundred edits on the article.

(1) G2bambino has been accused of lacking WP:NPOV:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Monarchy_in_Canada#Rouleau....again
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Monarchy_in_Canada#Gbambino_and_POV

(2) G2bambino has been accused of violating WP:CIV:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#Your_edit_summary_in_Image:Queen_of_canada.jpg
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#Civility
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Monarchy_in_Canada#More_on_the_meaning_of_.27Crown.27
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Monarchy_in_Canada#gbambino
• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:James_Buchanan#Buchanan.27s_sexual_orientation

(3) G2bambino has been accused of vandalism and 3RR:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#Canadian_Royal_Symbols
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#Kingston_Community_Classifieds
• http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#UCC_Revert_War

Re: Wikistalking

(1) G2bambino has been warned by an admin of violating 3RR in an edit war against Magonaritus (http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:G2bambino#UCC_Revert_War).

(2) Per WP:ANI, G2bambino did not have the "courtesy... ... inform other users and editors if they are mentioned in a posting, or if their actions are being discussed." A check on the discussion pages of both Jonawiki and Magonaritus will demonstrate that G2bambino is attempting to get them blocked with as little notice as possible.

(3) Reviewing several thousand contributions from G2bambino, there were no contributions to any articles on gaming or Star Wars previous to his most recent contributions to the article on the Star Wars Galaxies game. The vast majority deal with monarchy, Canadiana and sexuality.

(4) His contributions displayed no knowledge of the Star Wars Galaxies game, just very generic edits.

(5) It seems his sole interest in the Star Wars Galaxies article was because of the presence of Jonawiki and Magonaritus. He even admits as much at http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:BaronJuJu#SWG_edits: "I was merely drawn to the issue as I've had to deal with Jonawiki (talk • contribs) and Magonaritus (talk • contribs) inserting POV and highly baised edits at Upper Canada College, and noted "they"'re doing the same at SWG."

This seems a possible case of wikistalking per WP:HAR#Wikistalking. Because of the past history of edit wars between Jonawiki/Magonaritus versus G2bambino, it seems per WP:HAR that G2bambino's edits in the Star Wars Galaxies article and his accusation of sockpuppetry have the "purpose of causing negative emotions in a targeted person... for the purpose of intimidating the primary target... to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine them, to frighten them, or to encourage them to stop editing entirely." G2bambino's edits in Star Wars Galaxies seemed only for the purpose of inciting and harrassing Jonawiki and Magonaritus. Per WP:HAR#Types_of_harassment, his behavior fits wikistalking.

I am no longer interested in this matter. Good luck! WormwoodJagger 21:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You put {{protect}} on an article. You didn't actually protect it. You aren't and never were an admin. You must go through WP:RFA to become an admin. IrishGuy 21:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I find this whole thing very disturbing. WormwoodJagger, you say that User:Blunders contacted you, but they don't exist. Of course there is User:Blunder (created 24 October 2005) but they have no edits. You provide a link to where the RFCU was removed as declined but forget to show Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Magonaritus where the reason is given. Interesting too that several of your links don't quite match what you are saying and how easily you found all these when you are not active for months. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, I'll note that WormwoodJagger (talk · contribs) stated originally that he was contacted within Misplaced Pages; he has since contradicted that claim by stating he was contacted by another user via telephone. It should also be pointed out that the user who contacted him, Blunders of the third kind (talk · contribs), was previously party to the debates at Talk:Upper Canada College involving the accused sock puppeteer, myself, and WormwoodJagger.

Now, for Wormwood's investigation:

1) My request for a CheckUser was not declined, it was deemed unnecessary as I'd already done sufficient work.

2) Having your socks disagree with each other once in a while is a tactic for throwing people off the trail.

3) & 5) Magonaritus', Jonawikis' and 66.208.54.226's edit histories cross paths more often than they diverge. If I make a good case that 66.208.54.226 is Jonawiki, I also make a good case that 66.208.54.226 is Magonaritus; ergo, Magonaritus and Jonawiki could well be the same person.

Disruptive behaviour:

1) WP:NPOV

• I was accused of NPOV by a user who was attempting to edit based on his own POV and not factual evidence. I was supported by other users, and the accusing editor eventually resigned.
• Accusation of NPOV by the same above-mentioned editor.

2) WP:CIV

• Confronted because I called a tag "silly"; no accusation of breach of WP:CIV
• Supposedly offended user stated he never said my actions were uncivil; no breach of WP:CIV
• Debate with same user under 1) above; no accusation of breach of WP:CIV
• Debate with same user under 1) above; no accusation of breach of WP:CIV
• Accused of violating WP:AGF by same user who stated he never said my actions were uncivil; no accusation of breach of WP:CIV

3) WP:3RR

• Automated bot reverted legitimate change; no accusation of WP:3RR
• I removed linkspam; no accusation of WP:3RR
• Legitimate warning of WP:3RR against myself in an edit war with Magonaritus.

Wikistalking:

1) Same warning already mentioned above, does not constitute Wikistalking.

2) Agreed - did not perform the courtesy of notifying Jonawiki or Magonaritus. It does not excuse this omission, however 1) I didn't read the introduction carefully enough to take note of this, 2) I didn't want either user to stop their editing pattern and begin again under new user names. This does not constitute Wikistalking.

3) Jonawiki and Magonaritus were indeed causing disruption at Star Wars Galaxies; I intervened to aid those who wanted to maintain balance, order and NPOV. I am free to edit whatever articles I please. This does not constitute Wikistalking.

4) Agreed.

5) Agreed.

All together, this is a pretty poor collection of "evidence" - a look beyond the mere surface shows that 95% of it is groundless. The other 5% I have, or will, accept responsibility for. My motives are to see nothing but the end of disruption and strife caused by a particular user; it is not up to me to decide how that is done, hence I have notified administrators of the issue and leave it to them to deal with.

It should be drawn to the attention of those involved here that Roguegeek (talk · contribs) has filed a proper suspected sock puppet report. --G2bambino 23:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't appreciate the aspersions being cast on my name -- it's a little ad homine(o?)m. As for 'conveninence': as I said, I was conducting an investiagtion. As for withink wiki -- within wiki community. Now leave me alone -- please! I made an honest mistake and am really feeling beat up on (sniff).... Have some faith! Good luck! WormwoodJagger 23:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You called G2bambino a wikistalker and attempted to intimidate him with authority you don't have. You probably shouldn't be complaining about aspersions as you have tossed the mud yourself. IrishGuy 23:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

G2bambino IS a wikistalker (see above). I never attempted to intimidate ANYONE -- I SIMPLY ASKED HIM TO TALK TO ME USING MY, UM, TALK PAGE. Clear? WormwoodJagger 02:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No. You specifically pretended to have authority you don't have and told him what he could or couldn't do. Saying things like "I have been called in; it is too late" is most assuredly attempting to intimidate. IrishGuy 02:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No IrishGuy . I WAS called in & I SIMPLY ASKED HIM TO TALK TO ME USING MY, UM, TALK PAGE. THIS IS HARDLY CONTROVERSIAL. And G2bambino HAS ADMITTED TO WIKISTALKING JONAWIKI TO BUILD A CASE AGAINST HIM. WormwoodJagger 02:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

User:FCYTravis

He has created an edit war on Attachment disorder and is not acting in a manner consistent with conduct I'd expect of an administrator: trying to build consensus and agreement, not start an edit war. It seems that the problems have been created by User:FCYTravis. Before he entered the picture, there were no problems. His approach to the disagreement on content is to merely blank large sections of the article, despite other editors willing to build consensus by collaborating to improve the article. He has a history of this on this subject (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/FCYTravis ) for example. DPeterson 20:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

He is now making Personal attacks. This is not appropriate behavior for an adminstrator. See diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AAttachment_disorder&diff=115761100&oldid=115749523 DPeterson 12:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I concur. FCYTravis is being disruptive. He has previously been found to be disruptive and numerous complaints have been filed against him regarding his conduct on this and other, related pages. JohnsonRon 16:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, of course you concur, given that you're a single-purpose account devoted to defending DPeterson's POV. You (and others like you) magically appear on Misplaced Pages whenever a controversy around attachment therapy and related articles. The more you attack me, the more I'm tempted to take this whole mess to ArbCom. FCYTravis 18:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with DPetersons and JohnsonRons statements. He is not personally attacking anyone and he did not 'blank' large sections.--DorisH 17:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding blanking, see diffs: , , , which clearly shows that several editors wanted the material to remain and be edited not blanked. DPeterson 17:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

All three editors are single-purpose accounts operated in order to distort consensus and own articles related to attachment theory. How convenient. FCYTravis 19:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

This is precisely the type of Uncivil conduct and Personal attacks that has been described. The editors in quesition have overlapping and diverse and distinct interests...yet FCYTravis continues to make unfounded statements that are inflamatory...This is not conduct I'd expect of an administrator, who, I'd think, should act as a model. DPeterson 19:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And yet they essentially only show up to edit Misplaced Pages when people question the POV-pushing on attachment-related articles. How convenient. FCYTravis 19:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that is a misrepresentation and a false allegation, again appearing to be a Personal attacks, certainly uncivil. To look at the history of one editor of the article in question, I see a variety of edits over time. DPeterson 19:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Agree, most of their edits are to subjects relating to psychology or sociology, but that's too broad for the WP:SPA label. Addhoc 19:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Those article subjects (Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy, Candace Newmaker, et al.) are all related to the issue in question. Please examine the editing patterns, and how the editors disappear for long periods of time, only to reappear when needed to push a POV. FCYTravis 19:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Single purpose account describes exactly what I am perceiving. I disagree with Addhoc: the surprising thing is that they are not making edits to 'subjects relating to psychology or sociology' but almost only to subjects relating to Attachment disorder and Dyadic Developmental Psychotherapy, as well as to several diagnoses like BPD and PTSD where the symptoms are similar and a confused parent might diagnose their own child with Attachment disorder instead. If they were interested in better coverage of psychology topics in general they would have made edits to a greater diversity of articles within that entire field. Please examine the edits on articles and talkpages like Advocates for Children in Therapy, Attachment therapy, John Bowlby, Attachment theory as well as those named above.--DorisH 11:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Note that DorisH is part of the disturbance at Attachment disorder and an RfC has been filed and validated regarding her conduct. Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/DorisH DPeterson 13:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoever is reviewing this might also want to take into account the large number of RfCs this 'group' of SPAs has filed on other users during their history here on Misplaced Pages, not to mention mediations and the like. It is part of how they work to defend the texts they own in order to push their POV. The target-user of these complaints changes but the group around DPeterson and Co is always the same.--DorisH 14:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The only "comments" on the entire list are from the same accounts as which always show up to support DPeterson. My determination to take this to ArbCom is growing by the hour. FCYTravis 18:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

(Crowd chanting) do IT do IT do IT do IT... Grandmasterka 09:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Korea history

Moved over from WP:CN:

When Korea history (talk · contribs) first showed up here, my immediate thought was that the name was inflammatory and perhaps showed a desire to edit war, but I decided to see how things would develop. Well, his/her edit history can show now, I think, that he/she edit wars, rarely discusses his/her edits, rarely puts in descriptive edit summaries (and when he/she does, does so in an inflammatory manner), and shows general disrespect to all who disagree with him/her. RfC was tried (and, while my summary was endorsed by two others, including another admin (Mel Etitis (talk · contribs)), was removed due to the lack of a second certification. I believe, however, that the user's behavior (which has only gotten worse since the RfC) warrants a community ban. A point of disclosure (in case it isn't clear already) is that I have had editorial disagreements with him/her, but I believe that I tried to deal with him/her in a reasonable manner, and that attempt to deal reasonably was not reciprocated. --Nlu (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Link to the RFC, (even if deleted, admins can look at it)? Diffs of other form of dispute resolution? Diffs of behavior? GRBerry 20:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No user blocks in the account's history. Suggest alternative forms of dispute resolution: Misplaced Pages:Third opinion, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation, or maybe a polite referral to mentorship. Please review the model for dealing with disruptive editors at WP:DE#Dealing_with_disruptive_editors. The ban proposal looks premature. Durova 21:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The link to the RfC is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Korea history. --Nlu (talk) 23:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The user did not join a RfM with regard to Goguryeo, and rarely responds to anything that others write on his talk page -- including a couple Korean editors who have tried to communicate with him in Korean as to his behavior. (Since I don't know Korean, that is what I surmised from the garbled Mac OS X translation widget's rendition.) Most of the steps on WP:DE have been tried (other than blocking, which in this case, I feel, would require as much consensus on doing it as banning), with no effect on the user's behavior. If anything, behavior's getting worse. --Nlu (talk) 23:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

A couple examples of the post-(failed) RfC behavior:

1. .

--Nlu (talk) 23:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but why hasn't this resulted in even one user block? Consensus about community bans is that things don't leapfrog from let's sit down and talk to you're outta here. They get a 12 hour block, a 48 hour block, a one week block, and we hope they get the message and adjust to site standards without needing to get booted from the project. If you did convince other editors at this page to community ban at this juncture I doubt the remedy would withstand an appeal, which means arbitration and all its attendant headaches. What exactly is the reason no blocks have been implemented? Durova 04:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Because for me to block him/her would be a conflict of interest, and despite my calls for help on the subject, no other administrator has responded. That's what it comes down to. --Nlu (talk) 07:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

You always take the side opposite mine. You shouldn´t force your ideas on other people. Only because of a different opinion, openly assail the wrong idea. Korea history (Korea history) 22:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Nlu, please post links to the threads you started at WP:AN or WP:ANI to request impartial review and action. Durova 14:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I looked, and I must say I misremembered; what I wrote wasn't Korea history-specific; it was a general request for intervention in Goguryeo and related articles due to edit warring; it wasn't a specific conduct issue with regard to Korea history, nor was his/her name specifically mentioned. Thought here: should I move this thread to WP:ANI in light of that? In any case, Korea history, the issue isn't my POV or your POV; it's that you can't seem to comply with policy. When you are removing citations to reliable sources and replacing them with non-citations to non-reliable sources, restoring grammatically incorrect versions, removing wikification, &c., it's getting to the territory of vandalism, and the behavior is thoroughly unacceptable. Further, you are not discussing your edits; you don't respond to people's comments; and your behavior is getting worse. --Nlu (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be a very good idea to go to WP:ANI. Ideally we want to turn this sort of person into a productive editor. If short blocks achieve that goal, so much the better. Come back here if the problems continue. Durova 18:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

With respect Nlu, We can't endorse community ban on the basis of one or two wikipedians. I suggest to put a neutral massage on related wikiprojects and invite others with both positive and negative attitude about him/her to participate in this discussion. For example you can write "There's a debate to ban Korea history (talk · contribs) in Community noticeboard. Because of his/her participations in Korea-related articles I invite all of the wikipedians who know him/her to write their idea about this issue in here." Template:Sa.vakilian--04:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. Will do that. Meanwhile, I'm moving this thread over to WP:ANI. (Will leave this thread up for about a couple more hours before removing it, but going to copy and paste over now.) --Nlu (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

In case it's not clear what I'm asking now: in light of the discussion on WP:CN, I am asking other admins to review the situation and give Korea history an appropriate block in light of his/her behavior. --Nlu (talk) 04:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And right now, I'm asking for an immediate block. He/she is currently continuing to assert, even though both Korean and Chinese sources agree otherwise, that Battle of Salsu involved over 300,000 deaths, and is inserting that unsupported POV into multiple articles. --Nlu (talk) 04:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Since I am getting no response, and since then, we have behaviors such as this, I have given him/her a {{test4}}. If this is a conflict of interest, so be it. --Nlu (talk) 14:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, the user's behavior is not just directed at me, at least. See , . He/she also apparently sees every attempt at curbing his/her behavior as harassment. --Nlu (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Nlu asked WP:KO members to partake in the discussion about user Korea history. First of all, I am shocked by the very existence of "community ban". The recent trend of establishment of arrogant and bureaucratic policies in Misplaced Pages is reflected here. Anyways, I'm confident that Korea history is acting in his unique, Korean ways - his behaviors are not a purposeful or rebellious. I'd like to ask admin Nlu to reconsider.

• Kritik of Nlu's examples of failure to comply.

• 1: That Nlu listed this as a example of failure to comply really angers me. Allow me to explain the logic (from the perspective of Misplaced Pages procedurals) behind my opinion individually, I would have done the same thing here. This looks more like CPOV of administrator Nlu.
• 2: I'm not quite sure on what Korea history did wrong here.
• 3: This dispute should be seen plainly from the perspective of Misplaced Pages procedurals. Conflicting viewpoints.
• 4: The CPOV-KPOV wars on China-Korea related articles should be attributed to this edit. From Korea history's viewpoint, "the people north of Anju" are described in his sources under Korean pronunciation. The question of whether or not to use Chinese or Korean to name disputed titles, etc. spill over to here.
• 5: There is no dispute here. The 2 editors are working under good faith on the article "Battle of Noryang", the last naval battle of the Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598). Both of them celebrate the triumph of the Chinese-Korean alliance over the Japanese fleet.

• Conclusion

• Nlu is overusing his powers granted as an administrator. To ban a user on these grounds is ridiculous.
• Nlu, as an administrator, changed the way he views disputes and discussions. Anybody who challenges his edits are rebellious, or harassing,. Not a matter of difference in opinion, personal character, or usages of different sources.
• The CPOV-KPOV disputes spill over to here. Using his/her administrative powers, Nlu should stabilize the disputes & satisfy both parts in order to prevent these "harassing" acts by not only Korea history, but also other KPOV AND CPOV editors as well.
• The CPOV editors are just as bad. The salon.com's article on "history wars" used talk:Goguryeo as an example & specified an instance in which CPOV editors cussed at Korean editors.
• Korea history is acting Korean. That is, not all Koreans act this way, but there is this type of personality which is extremely aggressive against any attack on his/her country (=patriotic?), easily angered & easily inspired (in other words, emotionally unstable), & if you're friend w/ him/her, s/he's the best friend you'd ever have.

All the best. (Wikimachine 03:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC))

The issue here isn't Korea history's views. (I've had fairly spirited disagreements with people with views that are similar to Korea history's, as Wikimachine himself/herself knows.) The issue is that Korea history stepped over the line; look at the contribution history, and I don't think anyone, anyone can justify his/her behavior. It's Korea history's actions, not views, that is the problem. As the links I've cited shown, Korea history wasn't just reverting; he/she was reverting without discussion, restoring edits with worse grammar and style and less proper citations, and escalating in his/her behavior. Further, he/she was reverting everyone that he/she disagrees with -- not just me, and not just people with "CPOV." (I believe that is oxymoronic; there shouldn't be such a thing as "CPOV" or "KPOV"; Misplaced Pages is about "NPOV.") In the case of Battle of Salsu, for example, he/she was restoring edits without citations, and when pointed out at the sources don't support his interpretation, simply ignored the sources. He/she was even reverting people with "KPOV" just because he disagreed with them as well as to wording and as to factual characterizations. The behavior is not acceptable. Frankly, it was getting tiring to, in good faith, write lengthy explanations for my edits to have him revert without any explanation. Agree or disagree with my edits, at least come up with some reasons supported by citations, and further, don't wipe out my grammatical corrections as well. --Nlu (talk) 04:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If Korea history reverts my edits, I won't protest them because I know that they were all done under good faith. And I'm sure that all other editors at WikiProject Korea don't mind him either. It's for them to decide, not a single individual administrator, Nlu. If he causes too much ruckus, let us petition for his expulsion. At the same time, I'll try to talk to him on this issue. (Wikimachine 17:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC))

It should further be noted that his pronouncement, in Korean, on his user page (User:Korea history), while I don't know Korean and obviously the Mac OS translation widget renders fairly broken translations, apparently provocatively accuses Chinese people of stealing his legacy. --Nlu (talk) 02:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

List of ASALA attacks on Turkish diplomats AFD

• List of ASALA attacks on Turkish diplomats
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of ASALA attacks on Turkish diplomats
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan

In the light of the ongoing RfAr (linked above), I fear a case of vote stacking and other nonsense might happen on this AfD. I ask administrators to monitor this case for disruption of any kind. -- Cat 05:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Diffs as requested

• Augustgrahl (talk · contribs) nomination
• Artaxiad (talk · contribs) vote
• Aivazovsky (talk · contribs) vote
• Vartanm (talk · contribs) (check userpage history) vote
• Fadix (talk · contribs) (check userpage history) vote

5 out of 8 deletion/merge votes came from Armenian voters

In addition 4 of the 5 Armenian voters are an involved party in the arbitration case. The other one is a proposed involved party

-- Cat 07:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be a delete vote stacking building up. -- Cat 13:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The reporting of incidents traditionally involves posting diffs here. A cursory check through the contributions of Augustgrahl (talk · contribs), Artaxiad (talk · contribs), and Aivazovsky (talk · contribs), didn't show any canvassing. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

People can get others to vote for them without posting on their talk pages (not that I'm saying that's the case here). Yonatan 17:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Email may be a way to do this. I just am not completely convinced that all these Armenian (based on their talk page) editors popping out of nowhere on a newly created articles AfD is a mere coincidence. -- Cat 07:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Persian Gulf name in Arabic

Hi,

Please note that there is a big argument going in the page of Persian Gulf and Persian Gulf naming dispute on Misplaced Pages.

Some Iranian users are trying to eliminate any minor information indicating that it is translated to “the Arabian Gulf” in Arabic language, or even it could be also called the Arabian Gulf according to some medieval maps and documents. If this term is disputed then it is controversial issue and has not been solved. As many old references and maps saying it is “Persian Gulf”, also dozens of historical maps and documents saying it is the “Arabian Gulf” that is long time before 1960's as our colleagues indicate it is the time of using Arabian Gulf by Gamal Abde Nasser.

In its discussion page, long talk and hot debate has been running since long time. But the major point that users editing this page are writing its translated name in a way not used, or even found, in the Arab world which oscillates this geopolitical issue through Misplaced Pages pages.

Please note that الخليج الفارسي means Persian Gulf, while الخليج العربي mean Arabian Gulf (it could be not easy for you to distinguish anyway as letters looks similar, but actually different, could be like similarity between English and Spanish). However, Persian language is basically different from Arabic.

In 1977, the third UN Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names (UNCSGN) adopted resolution III/20 entitled "Names of Features beyond a Single Sovereignty". The resolution recommended:

"when countries sharing a given geographical feature do not agree on a common name, it should be a general rule of cartography that the name used by each of the countries concerned will be accepted. A policy of accepting only one or some of such names while excluding the rest would be inconsistent as well as inexpedient in practice."

It is so witty and meaningless if one Persian user in Wiki has basics in Arabic and change names as he like in a bigotry way!

It is not accepted, in any way, to translate/transcribe a name from one language to another according to unidirectional transcription system and giving it a translated name not –basically- used in that language for the sake of political domination.

No one will accept deleting all used names for the Danube River pages on Misplaced Pages in all other Central European languages and adopt what just the Germans or Czechs only used to call! and so on… These are different languages and cultures, and have their own nominations for interlaced territories/resources/rivers/water bodies... etc.

The major concept adopted here by Misplaced Pages will open the way for other users to entitle (or rename) new pages or modify information according to their own political background using their own language to change names in other language(s). Like a French Wiki user can speak English go and delete any word of the “English Channel” on English Misplaced Pages and replace it with “Sea of Manch” or a British Wiki user French basics do the same and replace all “La Manche” with “Canal Anglais”! or a Muslim user changes all pages entitled “God” in all languages to “Allah”!

I would appreciate if you talk seriously with the following users and check their “User Talk” pages before

• Pejman47
• Sinamohajer
• Barnetj
• Sorkhadem
• Ali doostzadeh

….

Please turn their attention to follow rules of Misplaced Pages editing and not to keep reverting additions by others without any discussion or voting. You may notice in pages history how many times they undo edits of the pages without describing minimum reasonable reason. Some of them has been warned of offensive use and vandalizing pages. You may also remind them that such violation of national geopolitical name could lead to a serious international juridical issue against Misplaced Pages’s users and management. Adopting fake and non-approved names in official language(s) of some countries could lead to significant political conflict lead by Arabic-speaking countries, mainly Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar, Oman and Iraq as they are sharing this water body with Iran as it is an oriented propaganda shouldn’t be lead by you, Misplaced Pages. Violating terms in other languages to achieve political aims is irresponsible behavior. Faking territorial names for political purposes could fall under threatening national security, illegal translation and offensive use of internet, that can cause international conflict if not indicating real term used in mentioned language. Misplaced Pages will be mainly responsible for the behavior and actions of its registered members.

On the other side, no one will blame Misplaced Pages, only in its Persian version, for adopting names used in Persian language.

Please direct them not to play geopolitical-linguistic games in Misplaced Pages and to stop undoing other people's edits repeatedly without voting or discussing the page. This is really not accepted and not convenient for Misplaced Pages’s atmosphere. Ralhazzaa 17:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I once tried to make the dispute(the supposedly dispute article) show both sides, but I was swiped..and I gave up on it..may be I'm biased because I'm from Egypt..may be..--Alnokta 00:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Um...The last edit I made to the Persian Gulf article was on the 13th of January, and that was to take the article back to the version that was agreed upon on the talk page by the vast majority. The last edit I made to the Persian Gulf naming dispute was on the 17th of January, which again had to do with the talk that was going on in the Persian Gulf. I dont know who drew my name out of the pot...Are you sure you have the right Azerbaijani? I mean, the way you have worded your comments here, it seems like you are talking about something recent.Azerbaijani 02:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh! sorry dear Azerbaijani.. you really looks away from this mess :P .. I was just tracing back and writing the user names who used to make reverts w/o discussions or just to fix their own ideology here. sorry again and I hope you assist in enriching the talk and give us a hand to solve this dispute. Ralhazzaa 17:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:JJH1992

JJH1992 (talk · contribs)

This user is in an edit war with another editor. In particular, I'm interested in these edits:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Danity_Kane_%28album%29&diff=prev&oldid=115811144 - claimed to revert vandalism, but introduces style issues (inserting br tags in the infobox - including the date)
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Danity_Kane&diff=prev&oldid=115586198 - personal attack in edit summary
• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=PCD_%28album%29&diff=prev&oldid=115809691 - a threat to block for reverting these changes.

While some of these changes within these diffs could be considered legit, it's an issue that needs to be looked at. --Sigma 7 19:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

One-day protection on the pages. Let's see if that's enough to sort out an incipient edit war. Looking, it appears Nobbiyo is acting similarly, so best to treat this as an edit war, I think, for now. Adam Cuerden 11:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Meatpuppetry and Attacks

Right. I'm afraid this one's a little complicated.

I was going through the Homeopathy-related articles after seeing everyone talking about POV forks but doing nothing about it. By talking with the people on Talk:Homeopathy I tried to make sure I had a brake, and didn't do anything too foolish. A few got deleted, several others were improved to the point that they didn't have to be.

Now, a couple things need mentioned here: Homeopathy-related articles pretty clearly have gone through a certain amount of POV-forking and advertising. For an easy example, take Robin Murphy, ND where, when told he needed to assert notability or have it deleted, he seems to have lied outright about his qualifications. I trimmed the worst bits - which had been marked with fact tags for ages, but he had made claims like "Most well known teacher of homeopathy" when '"Robin Murphy" Homeopathy' plugged into google gets 873 hits. Um, should probably be mentioned that that's a PROD, so it'll probably be gone sometime tomorrow, unless someone deletes the prod tag, in which case I'll put it up for AfD.

There were other problems elsewhere, but many of them were fixable - List of important homeopaths got a title change, a trim of a long list of homeopaths without either articles, cites, or assertations of notability (It was in two categories: "Generally considered influential" and "Other known homeopaths" - you can see the problem of the last bit. Robin Murphy, ND, by the way, had been added to influential.

Now, this leads us to the problem. George Vithoulkas was a terrible article, with long list. I'll quote a bit of the old article in a footnote. It was a long list of searches, all of which are not for his full name, but just for his surname, with no qualifier. I found this highly suspicious - he's surely not the only Vithoulkas - and suspected the results were being gamed. It also made some quite extrordinary claims about governments showering him with awards, more of which anon. It wasn't very well cited, which something with that many extraordinary claims needed, so I nominated it for deletion.

However, huge numbers of new editors invaded the AFD and its talk page. If you'll scroll forward an edit from there, you'll see my possibly misguided attempt to end the attacks on me there, followed by Guettarda simply archiving the whole. Skinwalker pointed out to me that there had been canvassing on homeopathic forums - Here and here - possibly elsewhere, but not until after I had put up a request for checkuser to try and figure out what was going on (which I should probably close now, as it's probable they aren't all the same person).

I think I'm getting slightly ahead of myself. I discovered the George Vithoulkas page was a copyvio while trying to research claims made to me about him, and so deleted it. It wasn't extreme copy vio - no sentence stood unchanged, but there was a very telling sentence order, and pretty clear evidence that the opening of the sentence was simply tweaked a bit to make it a little different. The farther back in the history, the worse things got, back to an edit labelled "fix copyvio", before which it was straight copyvio. I did the only thing that seemed sensible: deleted the page, closed the AfD, asked on the Talk:Homeopathy page if it should be recreated.

User:LeeHunter at this point gave the third of three nasty messages to my talk page accusing me of "abusing the process to delete the article". I, I hope politely, pointed out I had already asked on the Talk:Homeopathy page whether it should be recreated, and he made a short article on Vithoulkas.

At that point, the Talk:Homeopathy page promptly went to hell, becoming devoted entirely to bashing and abusing me. It's been archived, but is all available here.

User:Homeopathic, who is strongly related to George Vithoulkas, if Image:George_vithoulkas_smallpicture.jpg's copyright label is any guide, was the worst attacker. He also doesn't sign his posts, so I'm afraid some digging in the archive of Talk:Homeopathy is necessary to prove connection. Among his gripes with me is after one of the meatpuppets called the Speaker of the Swedish Parliament on a video of George Vithoulkas getting an award there "Ms. Rikstag" or something like that, I checked to find out her proper name. Unfortunately, the speaker at the time that the video being placed as evidence took place was a man, so it's pretty clear that the video either mislabelled the woman, or, if my rather poor ability to identify faces is correct, combined a video of the female speaker from several years earlier praising the award he got and saying the Swedish Parliament supported it with the video several years later, also in the Swedish Parliament building, of Vithoulkas getting the award. The faces seem to match.

This is an important claim, because without that speech, there's no strong swedish parliament connection outside of building, which was one of the things they were making huge numbers of personal attacks on me about.

I quote the last two posts before Guettardsa atchived it:

I want to suggest something. Adam Cuerden must not be editor of wikipedia any more!!!!!He is prejudiced and wikipedia doesn't need people that forge the truth. So, please I call you to VOTE: Adam Cuerden must not be editor of Misplaced Pages any more. Do you agree? YES or NO? Althea Khun

I do not believe that you cannot read, Adam Cuerden. Please, read again carefully. I wrote about Pubmed, isinet.com, scirus.com, british library direct, science direct. I think thay you DO NOT WANT to read. Adam Cuerden, you depreciate our common sense!!!!!!!!!! I VOTE YES!!!!!! Aristos Antoniadis

(The last in response to me pointing out the list from the old article (footnoted below) was pretty bad.)

...As you can imagine, this is extremely stressful. Please help. Adam Cuerden 19:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

1. ^

   Prof. Vithoulkas and his work is mentioned:

   1. - 70 citations

   2. There are 12 articles of his articles listed on PubMed

   3. He is mentioned in 17 references at the National Library of Medicine Catalog

   4. He is mentioned in 553 references at SCIRUS

   5. He is mentioned in 13 references at the British Library Direct

   6. He is mentioned in 278 references in Google Scholar

   Etc. It actually gets to the point - It might have been deleted in later versions - that it was saying how many google hits for "Vithoulkas" there was.

I've put a uw-npa4im on the talk page of the IP address. I suspect the IP address may be a sock of another user that is on the talk page, and thus you may want to submit a checkuser request. --Sigma 7 20:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

• sigh* They were the same person? What the hell is going on here? Just when I think I have a handle on this, something new comes up. Ah, well, added it to Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Dr._Krischer. Adam Cuerden 08:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ever willing to put my foot in it, I noticed that a critical review link added by User:LeeHunter wasn't mentioned in the article, so added a brief summary. User:Homeopathic has taken it up on my user talk page, asking me to "please do something about Adam Cuerden, he is clearly biased, dismissing all information about Vithoulkas as POV", then later claiming to be an MD and a homeopath. Perhaps my suggestion that he read WP:IAC was too tactful. ... dave souza, talk 12:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, on Misplaced Pages one often edits alternative medicine articles at your own peril. Mention undue weight, and you're on the hitlist. MastCell 23:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Abusive, Disruptive, and Racist Attacts

embargo (talk · contribs), has continually leveled offensive and unambiguously racist remarks on talk pages, and edit summaries, despite being asked to stop. --emerson7 | Talk 20:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Strongly recommend immediate block. "Jewish garbage"? Zero tolerance. IronDuke 20:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Support block too. A note to the filer: diffs are preferred to links to page histories. Beit Or 21:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, I've given him a two-week block, though that could increase if consensus to do so is met. Anyone want to weigh in on the length? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I like giving people second chances, where possible. If the user in question could make a sincere promise to cease the bigoted attacks, then two weeks is just about right. If he refuses, a longer block may be in order. IronDuke 21:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Two weeks is a good call. Block for six months if he persists after the block expires. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds fair. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I would say that was an excellent block. _InBC 22:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, extremely lenient given outright racist crap like this and this. Our patience with such people is remarkable (and not conducive to encyclopedia-building, imo). If he does the same upon return an immediate block/ban is in order. Raymond Arritt 23:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

How many editors of this nature have turned around and become well-behaved and productive contributors? If the answer is zero, then there is no reason that they shouldn't be indefinitely blocked on sight.Proabivouac 00:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Incredibly lenient block. The blocked user now claims he was "provoked" into being blocked. I would reverse it myself and change it to an indefinite block but I don't want to start a wheel war. So if there is consensus here for such a move state your opinions below.--Jersey Devil 11:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Strong support for an indef ban. Kicking the ball down the road only negligently wastes everyone's time when it comes up again (and again, and again.)Proabivouac 19:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the community feeling about that userbox he has on his User page? Corvus cornix 21:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think its a polemical statement, which is against WP:USER Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 21:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Embargo is now evading his block with an anon IP, see User:90.24.232.20, .Proabivouac 21:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, that isn't acceptable. There are multiple reasons why I didn't want to indef. block him immediately (past experience shows that indefinite blocks against persistent users don't help). He clearly isn't showing any desire to stop, though. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Whilst I agree that it isn't acceptable, the user isn't evading the block in an attempt to try and disrupt the encyclopedia, he's doing it to try and appeal his block, it might be an idea to post something on the IP's talk page regarding this Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 23:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It's disruptive to restore this inflammatory userbox, although admittedly he could have done that with his blocked account. His edits to User talk:Viridae have focused on keeping the userbox, not appealing his block. Do we really need this kind of imagery on userpages?Proabivouac 23:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, remember reading the contribs from the IP earlier and obviously got mixed up, what would everyone suggest doing? Reset the block, and leave a message to the IP talking about the consequences of continuous block evasion? Looking over Emabargo's contribs, his major concern lately have been about that userbox, and it does seam he wants to keep putting his point across Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 23:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, already done. I might have been a bit snippy with the comment, but considering the user's history... -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

post of WP:AIV asking IP to be permablocked

This was just posted on AIV: 209.36.39.2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) this is shared proxy server at Fork Union Military Academy where I am Director of Communications. Recommend this IP Address be blocked from anonymous editing as there have been many, many instances of anonymous users abusing the editing rights. CaptDan FUMA 21:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no reason to believe it's a illegitimate request, but it seemed like a bad idea to give an IP an extended block because some guy showed up and asked nicely. Not sure what to do. Natalie 22:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, someone blocked them for 3 months Natalie 22:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree that we shouldn't do that sort of thing blindly -- at least make sure the person's story checks out, WHOIS the IP and such. In this case, it looks like the IP was shared and the story at least makes sense. I see it's been given month-long blocks, previously and not too long ago. We should be wary of these requests, though, I'd hate to see some random person wander in, tag some random dynamic home ISP's IP as shared, and get it blocked for six months because "the school admins asked." :x – Luna Santin (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

If you were going to do a permaprotect, only do so if the request comes by e-mail (an obviously real one). Cbrown1023 talk 01:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's nice to know my instinct was in the right area, even if it turned out to be a moot point. Natalie 02:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Stevenson-Perez (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The user has repeatedly tried to insert an identical poorly-formatted and turgid unencyclopedic essay of questionable provenance into multiple articles, and has repeatedly created inappropriate articles. When ‘Scientific-Wisdom’ was prod'd, he created Scientifc wisdom and Scientific wisdom; today, he has responded to the AfD discussion of "Scientific Community of Practice" by creating Scientific communities of practice. (All of his edits, including reversions, have the "minor" box check-marked and are made without talk-page discussion. Multiple editors have tried to reason with him with no response. See generally User_talk:Stevenson-Perez#Your_contributions and see also the pending Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Scientific value and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Meaning (scientific). -- TedFrank 00:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This is IMHO disruptive editing, I have left the user another (final) warning and would support a block if he continues to disrupt -- Chris 73 | Talk 01:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• Aye, his/her "push-to-talk" button seems stuck in transmit mode (sample communication | here). Support block if no appropriate reaction to most recent warning. Pete.Hurd 02:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

  On a related note, Scientific Community of Practice has been deleted, but Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Scientific Community of Practice has not been closed... Pete.Hurd 04:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

  AfD now closed. Final warning issued, next stop in case of further disruption: WP:AIV. Sandstein 07:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Azerbaijani violating the ArbCom injunction of having to comment on Talk pages for edits

User Azerbaijani has violated the ArbCom notice on page Ganja khanate mandating to discuss every edit/change [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ganja_khanate&diff=115928170&oldid=115724564 ] in the Talk page of that article . Despite his edit being at 22:23, March 17, 2007, as of right now, more than one hour later, he has still not made any comments for his removal of one word. Meanwhile, I have shown his edit being absolutely incorrect on that talk page. --AdilBaguirov 03:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom enforcement is here. Naconkantari 03:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, more false accusations (you can try hard Adil, but it wont work). The Arbcom injuction is for REVERTS, not edits (you know this very well, as you ahve the injunction on your very own talk page and have read it yourself). Here is where you can read the Arbcom injunction: It clearly states: Until the conclusion of this case, all parties are restricted to one content revert per article per day, and each content revert must be accompanied by a justification on the relevant talk page. I did not revert your edits (reverting your edits means that I must have deleting the entire quote that you added!), I simply removed something which you had typed int he quote which was not in the original quote. I reverted none of your edit. Here is the diff of the version before your edits and my edit: If I had made a content revert, which I did not, my version would look exactly the same as Aivazovsky version! Does that look like a revert to you Adil, because it certainly doesnt fit into the definition of what a revert is. I'm really getting sick and tired of your personal attacks, your stalking, and your campaign of trying to demonize me on Misplaced Pages using false information.Azerbaijani 04:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Your wikilawyering is not constructive, Azerbaijani. A revert is any action which undoes the work of another editor, and removing content added by another editor - even if you just remove one word of it - is a revert. You certainly don't have to undo every change made in a given edit, or restore a particular old revision, to have made a revert.

You are both treading a fine line. Any more reverts contrary to the injunction will result in blocks. --bainer (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• • Settle down both of you and stop accusing each other of crap. Neither one of you is acting like a saint and you're definitely not acting civil. ⇒ SWATJester 07:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement, next door to your left. _InBC 15:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:BZ(Bruno Zollinger)

BZ(Bruno Zollinger) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to have been derailing Talk pages with lengthy personal opinions (which he describes as "commentaries"), and ignoring pointers to the talk page guidelines, since at least last November (judging by Talk:The Lathe of Heaven/archive1 and his own user talk page). And he's made not a single edit to an article. An administrator's attention to this user might be helpful. I myself feel, after looking through the account's edit history, that such consistently distracting, useless, and unproductive behavior ought to be ban-worthy, but I'm not sure whether policy supports this, since it all seems to be done in good faith (albeit misguided and policy-ignoring). -- Rbellin|Talk 03:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Also note that there is a previous RfC at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/BZ(Bruno Zollinger), and an apparently identical user has been banned from the German Misplaced Pages. -- Rbellin|Talk 04:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the German indef block rationale reads: "hat aus sperrverfahren von sommer 206 nichts gelernt; benutz WP weiterhin ausschließlich für diskussions". This translates to: "Hasn't learned anything from block in summer of 2006, continues to use Misplaced Pages for discussions exclusively."

I'll be bold now and block him for 48h for talk page disruption, with the understanding that the next block may be indefinite if he persists. Please review here. Sandstein 07:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Reporting Vegetto's Redirection

Hello there fellow wikipedians (yes, that includes you Administrators). I have a complaint (duh!)

For the past day now (yeah 24 straight hours, can you believe it?), i have been trying to figure out why a Dragon Ball Z character by the name of Vegetto does not have his own article. My first step was to take the initative and create the article. My first attempt was disrupted by a user by the name of Nemu. Nemu immediately redirected the article which i was willingly working on, and told me on the Vegetto Talk Page that, "because nobody disputed it being an article, the unanimous decision was that it would never becoming an article EVER!" So hence, the redirection.

So what's my case? I would like to write the Vegetto article. However, i have been consistently stopped. Users on the Dragon Ball Project have all told me that "you will never be able to create the Vegetto article, because they all said so". Even though i have tried to discuss the situation (peacefully at first) many of them, especially Nemu, have insulted and ridiculed me. Now i'm not sure as to why they do this, maybe because their numbers far exceed my own (and i mean it literally, i am by myself) or that i'm just a "new guy" so why should they give a damn?

I would like to report this incidednt, because i feel voilated the priviledge of being given the freedom to express my knowledge on a certain subject. I should not be judged and be mis-understood because of the failures of past users. I kindly ask for the dedicated time of an Administrator, to check this situation out.

For further investigation, Visit Here, Here and Here.

I thank you for your help, and understanding! Muchas Gracias! Gooden 07:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, this is a content issue, not an administrative problem. This does not belong here.

On the merits, I think you are mistaken about how Misplaced Pages works. A user has pointed you to an extended discussion, the consensus result of which was to merge this character description into another article. This is also what our guideline WP:FICT says: 'Minor characters (and places, concepts, etc.) in a work of fiction should be merged with short descriptions into a "List of characters.'" On Misplaced Pages, you must work within consensus; you do not have "the freedom to express my knowledge on a certain subject". If you want to do that, please do it on your own blog or website. In this case, you must first engage your fellow editors in discussion, persuading them to change consensus, and only then may you create this article. Sandstein 07:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

But does that also mean that i have to work with the them all. Are you saying the presence of an article is impossible? You say that i have to discusss the matter with my fellow contributors. How can i do anything when they will refuse to listen? Also, it seems that everyone around here has come to some sort of agreement that this character is a "minor" case, i do not understand why? I mean, talk to me here! I still need some kind of recommendation for the entire situation. Gooden 14:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

My sincere recommendation is: accept that you are alone with your view - that's quite clear from the long discussion here -, forget about it and find something else to edit. That is enough now for this noticeboard. Do not edit this thread further. Sandstein 17:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

O'Donoghue

O'Donoghue has made a large number of edits on Ireland related articles over the last couple of weeks, using both his account and a number of IPs. I believe there is strong evidence this editor is actually El chulito, as he has also harassed Vintagekits in a similar manner to El chulito. There's a checkuser also involving several other accounts that has yet to be filed that I was thinking of adding to, but I can't really class it as A or C so I'm reluctant to add the information to that and request the checkuser, so I'm listing it here as recommended.

El chulito - Example of link formatting -

O'Donoghue - No edits between 16 August 2006 and 1 March 2007, then makes this edit on 10 March with an edit summary of violation of mediation agreement on use of "Volunteer" with reference to this mediation which finished in February which El chulito was involved in. Examples of link formatting -

216.194.0.99 Edits Vintagekits' talk page, then edits as El chulito to add his signature.

216.194.3.132 - Example of link formatting -

216.194.0.248 - O'Donoghue edits Vintagekits talk page, then 3 minutes later the IP corrects the previous edit. Adds the Former Sinn Féin politicians category to an article, which is a category O'Donoghue created.

216.194.1.39 - Similarly, adds the Former Sinn Féin politicians category to an article. Example of link formatting -

216.194.3.140 - Example of link formatting -

216.194.3.125 - Edits Daniel McCann and Eddie Copeland, which he's also edited using two of the IPs listed above - 216.194.3.140, 216.194.0.248 216.194.3.140.

Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 08:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

All those IPs come from the same company MetTel, Inc. Due to that fact, there appears to be come puppetry involved, although whether it is sock or meat I wouldn't know. IrishGuy 18:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It definitely seems to fall under the avoiding scrutiny from other editors part of WP:SOCK I think. He's using multiple IPs and occasionally swapping accounts. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Parker007, again

Parker007 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), feel free to review. I've blocked him for a week because the previous, shorter blocks had no effect. He resumed running the same bot after each block. He also blanked his talk page a couple times while I was trying to leave him a note to this effect. Perhaps he has exhausted the community's patience. —freak(talk) 09:27, Mar. 18, 2007 (UTC)

Yes - 17 edit per minute is far too high, with a bot flag or not. Martinp23 09:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Having interacted with him several times, he has exhausted my patience, at least. – Steel 14:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Endorse block. I have told him many times on wiki and on IRC that he may continue editing in this fashion if he obtains a bot account. He has not done so and should stay blocked until he obtains a bot or decides to stop. Naconkantari 16:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Indef block review for Dr. Steller

I've blocked Dr. Steller (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) indefinitely for legal threats in the form of this edit; see their user talk page for a translation. This block is open to review here. Sandstein 10:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much a standard legal threat case with a German language twist. Good indefinite block.--Jersey Devil 11:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. That was the best thing to do.-- Carabinieri 11:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Legal and personal threat. Basically to the point where nothing can be done. Good block. Yanksox 21:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Do we have a policy for this?

Do we have a policy for dealing with edits such as this - personally I rather resent it - I spent a great deal of time an deffort on that page - do we remove it - or are we forced to look at it for ever. I don't think it is the time or place to start a thread on the subject there. Giano 13:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Such as what? Please provide the diff of the edit that concerns you. Sandstein 13:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Very good point Sandstein, I forgot to include it I ammended now. Giano 13:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

seems a very sensible suggestion to be me - I'd fail any student who used wikipedia as a source - it's a good starting point but that's it. --Fredrick day 13:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

See cite .. dave souza, talk 13:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe that the comment in question is violative of Misplaced Pages policy, and so should be allowed to remain (perhaps marked with a {{unsigned}} tag). --Nlu (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I also agree with the comment that Giano links to: of course Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source and should not be cited in a scientific paper. Jimbo said as much also, I think. That's not a slight on Giano's editorial abilities, but simply a reflection of what we are - a general encyclopedia. And of course we don't delete comments in a discussion; that would be vandalism. Giano, if you disagree, just make a polite reply. Sandstein 17:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The fact is that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, not by our standards, nor the standard of most academic groups. This is not a bad thing, we are an encyclopedia and thus should only be the starting point for research. _InBC 17:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, and considering the poster is a sixth grader, it's good advice; it is an accurate statement of fact, and most teachers don't accept Wiki as a source. We don't accept ourselves as a source :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The particular article may be very good (for sure!). All Giano-heavily-worked-over articles may be very good (right?). Other individual articles may be very good (of course). But it's still much too early in the day for teachers to treat Misplaced Pages as a reliable reference work, as opposed to a useful research aid/starting point. The quality is much too variable for that. Metamagician3000 05:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• "Misplaced Pages is extremely unreliable" It is the "extremely" I object to, even in light of recent events, I do not think the project is that unreliable. Giano 09:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Just another case of people whose imaginations and understandings extend from A to B, I'd say. No, Misplaced Pages is not extremely unreliable. In fact, it's extremely reliable. It is not totally reliable, of course. As the Science editorial review showed, Misplaced Pages can be the best source of information available to a student. Professors who allow no citations to Misplaced Pages are morons or think their students are. Those who allow Misplaced Pages to serve as proof of anything are as bad. Misplaced Pages is an invitation to research more, but it is research. It can never be the last word, but not allowing it at all is foolish. The "extremely unreliable" edit is vandalism, Giano. It should be treated as vandalism. It would be no more to the point than someone going in to the Pol Pot article and inserting, "a very evil man." He may have been a very evil man, but we're NPOV, even about ourselves, in article space. Geogre 12:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring / Saskatchewan articles

Continued edit warring on Saskatchewan political articles between 70.73.4.197 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 70.64.4.74 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) on Brad Wall and Saskatchewan Liberal Party , despite repeated previous warnings and blocks. Tearlach 13:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

A message

Per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Gibraltarian#Final decision I would like my main account to be unblocked. I will just stop the edit-warring, personal attacks and whatnot, it ain't good for anything. --¤~Gibraltarian 14:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• Should we take this to WP:CN? I have no fundamental objection to giving Gibraltarian another chance, but I was not really involved in the massive cleanup of his problem behaviour last time. Guy (Help!) 15:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• • The Arb decision came in January 2006, but the user was reported at the bottom of that page to be continuing his attacks in February 2007. Xiner (talk, email) 18:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Stevenson-Perez

Stevenson-Perez (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been rather enthusiastic in posting a distinctly idiosyncratic view of a particular concept, Scientific Communities of Practice. Everywhere. I have blocked the account, for reasons stated on the user talk page, anyone is free to unblock if they feel there is no further likelihood of disruption. Guy (Help!) 15:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Where do you find these people? – Steel 15:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Note AN/I case about a dozen sections up (where the userlinks template does not make a redlink to his talk page, very odd that it does here). Pete.Hurd 15:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I've fixed that. – Steel 15:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

ed g2s disruptive edits and deletions

Well, there are many problems. First, the user ed g2s has been deleting images from the Evanescence articles, because according to him the use of album cover images violates thes Fair use criteria. This is totally fake, and it can be proved. Nirvana (band) and Nightwish have images of album covers, and these articles are Featured articles. If the use use of album cover images is forbidden, then these articles would never have passed the FA. Now, he is also contradicting himself, because he has also deleted an logo ([[:Image:Evanescence early.png, an earlier logo of the band). Logo are not album covers, so...? He has deleted it with no reasons. The only thing he said was that the use of the images hasn't been discussed. What's that??

Some edits he made (deleting images):

• 14:42, March 14, 2007
• 14:43, March 14, 2007
• 17:23, March 14, 2007
• 18:45, March 14, 2007

Another problem is that he has nominated an free-use image created by me, Image:EV-In.svg, with a very vague reason. He says this is a derivated work of the Evanescence logo. It would be a derivated logo if I would have copied the Evanescence logo and added something like some lines or whatever. Here's the discussion, but it's going nowhere.

And the last thing, he has tagged the Image:Evlithium1.jpg for deletion. This is a fair-use image, but many of the contributors in the Evanescence articles including me, reached a consensus. (this.

Also the fair use rationable stated the reasons why we are using a fair-use image by now.

You should also check this discussion.

I really don't understand his reasons. I can even compare the fair use rationable of the main image of Nirvana (FA) with the rationable of the Evanescence (GA) rationable. The Evanescence images is very very very detailed.

Well, I hope these problems end and we can continue our Wikipedian lives normally... Armando.O 16:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ed could have handled this better, but I don't think any of his actions violate policy. The fair use rationale is weak. If there are copyvios on the Nirvana page they should be removed, not used for justification for other copyrighted content. Since Carnildo stopped spending time on WP:FAC, these things have not been checked as thoroughly as they should. Borisblue 21:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

As for the logo currently on the page, I believe that there is enough grounds for it to be used, but you should remove the CC- tag and add a fair use rationale. Even though you made the image yourself, it's a copy of the copyrighted logo so you can't release it under creative commons. Borisblue 21:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Edits on Ohmefentanyl by User:Nuklear

This doesn't appear to be vandalism, so I'm posting it here rather than on a vandalism-specific board. User:Nuklear has made several hundred edits to Ohmefentanyl over the last few days. These edits mostly seem innocuous, but some seem to be problematic, inserting text like "The author has personally bioassayed (±)-OMF2 but is disappointed that not more physical data was made available" and "The founder of Hochemicals© is the overall master of the totalitarian dictatorship regime. This important & extremely fundamental principle will become deeply embedded in the readers mind, his thoughts, his ideas & his daily philosophy. —Immediate & generous capital payments must be donated to his lordship, on the double, without any precondition whatsoever. Failure to comply will most definitely lead to draconian measures being taken, likely resulting in death (though not to oneself), without any remorse, or reconnaissance of any description."

I'm concerned that, among other things, the article is being turned surreptitiously into a manual for drug manufacturers to produce this substance with the intent to use it as a narcotic. Content that suggests this to me includes:

• "It will become apparent to the reader in later sections that there are important and complex distinctions that can be drawn between the subsequent isomers through studying their pharmacology."
• "HC1abcd is the Hochemicals© code for the four most active isomers of 23HOMeF." (see information on Hochemicals here and here; it seems to me to be a somewhat dubious organization)
• "HC-1a is already 13K x stronger than morphine. If a p-fluoro atom is then incorporated into the phenethanol tail, the resultant compound has recently been reported to have a potency of 18K x morphine! ;-)"
• "Professor Q speculates that "there is a good chance that this compound could be made more powerful still, Even if ED50 doesn't go any lower, one would expect duration of action to increase by a factor of three or so...""
• "Those skilled in the art will also acknowledge that these formulations are representative of so-called prodrugs"
• "However in a real-world environment, the dosage is so vanishingly small that it is difficult not to overdose even if one is careful; Although it must be conceeded that opiate naïve individuals are at magnified risk, in the event of exposure, relative to hardened addicts who may already have significant tolerance."
• "Introduction of an α-Me into this molecule would probably compliment it nicely. It will also be apparent to the veteran narcologist, that organometallic addition of XMEt to the direct product of the Strecker synthesis gives a pharmacophore common, to both methadone and ketobemidone. Such SAR overlap is thus likely and might be expected to have a favorable outcome with regards to creating unexplored agents with a longer duration."

I really have no idea how to procede with this article, its subject being something I'm not familiar with at all, but it looks to me as though the editing User:Nuklear is undertaking is not appropriate and should be stopped. JulesH 16:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Nuklear has now requested, on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ohmefentanyl, that this article (which they have written) be deleted - and I have obliged them. That's it for now, I guess, but I am as puzzled as anyone else about what the hell this is all about. Sandstein 17:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I have blocked User:Nuklear for 48 hours for his disruption on the AfD and more generally through his confused contributions. Sandstein 17:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Copied user page

In light of the Essjay scandal what may once have been seen as just laziness on the part of one user, should probably be looked into. It appears that User:Sue Rangell's user page is largely lifted from User:Nesbit's user page. User:Sue Rangell also claims she is on the Faculty of Education at DeMoines University (sic), although User:Nesbit does not. I asked both if Sue was Nesbit's sockpuppet, Sue said no, but then deleted the question and her response a few minutes later. User:Nesbit was, not surprisingly, surprised at being asked if Sue was his sockpuppet and apparently more surprised to find he had so much in common with her.

I looked at User:Sue Rangell originally because she is pushing very hard for a stunningly crappy article Sonoma County, California to be made a FA after being here, on Misplaced Pages, only about a week. (Her first edit was creating her user page.

I really don't know what is going on here, but her aggressive pushing of her "FA" without it having met any FA criteria is simply strange, as is her user page being a copy of another user's. KP Botany 18:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not a pure copy, she's added quite a bit of stuff. I know I copied my userbox setup from another user's page when I first started, and this user isn't doing anything particularly nasty, so it appears to be fine. Logical2u_{Review me!} 18:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

ARe you serious? Oh, maybe you are looking at her just freshly edited version. This was copied:

Why I do Misplaced Pages

Misplaced Pages is an excellent example of how knowledge can be socially constructed. The editing and discussion tools constitute a collaborative knowledge building environment that stands as an alternative model to threaded asynchronous conferences, collaborative annotation systems, blogs, and software development systems.

From user Nesbit:

Why I do Misplaced Pages

Misplaced Pages is an excellent example of how knowledge can be socially constructed. The editing and discussion tools constitute a collaborative knowledge building environment that stands as an alternative model to threaded asynchronous conferences, collaborative annotation systems, blogs, and software development systems.

And here is Sue's lists of interests:

My professional interests on Misplaced Pages include:

• Cognitive psychology
• Concept mapping
• Knowledge representation
• Educational psychology
• Educational technology
• Instructional design
• Interaction design
• Learning object
• Multivariate statistics
• Meta-analysis
• Multimedia
• Qualitative psychological research
• Self-regulated learning

Among my recreational interests are:

• Artificial intelligence
• European history
• Northumberland
• History of technology
• History of science
• Science fiction
• Music theory
• Music Synthesizers
• Jazz
• Computer programming

Here are Nesbit's:

My professional interests on Misplaced Pages include:

• Cognitive psychology
• Concept mapping
• Knowledge representation
• Educational psychology
• Educational technology
• Instructional design
• Interaction design
• Learning object
• Multivariate statistics
• Meta-analysis
• Multimedia
• Qualitative psychological research
• Self-regulated learning

Among my recreational interests are:

• Artificial intelligence
• European history
• Northumberland
• History of technology
• History of science
• Science fiction
• Music theory
• Music Synthesizers
• Jazz
• Computer programming

And she edited her programming languages boxes.

Something funky is going on. Sure, I copied my user boxes, but I didn't say I shared all the same interests as another user, and I didn't claim I was on the faculty of a university that doesn't exist or one whose name I can't spell. KP Botany 18:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• This is already being discussed at WP:AN. Guy (Help!) 18:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• Answer I'm not sure what's going on with you, but you have been shooting a lot of venom around lately. The Cut/Pasted info from Nesbit's page has been RESOLVED. There is no sock puppetry, and there is no identity theft, and it CERTAINLY has nothing to do with the FAC. You have gone through great lengths to derail the whole FA process, and I'm not sure why. You have made personal attacks against me and I don't know why you have done that either. If I had known that nominating a page for FA would have invited the attention of a stalker-type, I would never have done it. This entire experience has taken all of the fun out of Wiki for me, and I'll certainly never nominate another page again. Sue Rangell 19:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Arrogant and abusive editor

An arrogant and abusive editor has recently started editing anonymously from the IP addresses and . This anonymous editor is persistently acting rudely towards everyone he interacts with. He is continuously attempting to insert obvious fallacies in to articles based on a very superficial and amateurish knowledge of the subject despite everyone disagreeing with him. He is completely counterproductive to Misplaced Pages. His ISP is Dakota Communications in Tucson, Arizona. They operate IPs in the 69.9.0.0 - 69.9.31.255 range. Abuse can be reported to them by e-mailing Admin@DakotaCom.NET Please take action concerning this problem. --Dr Lisboa 18:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this might be more proper for the request for investigation. Yanksox 21:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Another Administrator has just given him a final warning. Please indicate where I pursue a "request for investigation" if it is needed. --Dr Lisboa 22:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Some more socks for review

• Brigader General (talk · contribs): Joined 20:14, March 15th. Uploads many images and articles with the same labels and invalid public domain tags. Most of his edits are inserting these images, most of which will have to be speedy deleted.
• Lt. Col. Cole (talk · contribs): Blocked 18.43, March 14th, for 1 day and 5 hours. Uploads many images and articles with the same labels and invalid public domain tags. Most of his edits are inserting these images, most of which are speedily deleted. Was blocked for image uploading

Both of these editors appear to chronic image problem creators. Both have similar topics of interest: The military, guns, Neighborhood Sniper, and Gangmembers. Both use exactly the same format for uploading pictures.

Per these discoveries, I propose that General is a sockpuppet of Cole, who has not learned from his block for inappropriate image uploads. Logical2u_{Review me!} 19:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Indef blocking General, extending the block of Cole to a week. Sandstein 20:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC) -- That is, issuing a new one-week block. Sandstein 21:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Netspine - admin impersonation?

I am a bit puzzled by this chap. His user page seems to indicate he's an admin, yet his edits are practically zero and those he's done are sometimes un-admin-ish to coin a phrase. Is it a troll impersonating Netsnipe? Or am I way off? If so, apologies for being jumpy. --Dweller 19:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

He copied/pasted User:Netsnipe page, apparently. Indef blocked due impersonation of another administrator. -- ReyBrujo 19:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, no doubts from this, where he's going back to old messages and changing User:Netsnipe to User:Netspine. Shenme 19:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for speedy attention. --Dweller 19:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request has been declined; due to subsequent trolling, and the obvious abusive nature of the account, I've protected their talk page. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Kansai-ben

Hi, I was wondering if I could get some assistance here. There's a user named Mackan (talk · contribs) who has some valid points in regards to expertise, but also is showing some WP:OWN and WP:CIVIL violations IMO. Just H 20:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This debate has been going on for what, 30 minutes and Just H already listed it? This request does definately not belong here. Just H is overreacting because I referred to some poorly sourced stuff he inserted into the article as "bullshit". While I realise that was not the most civil thing to do, WP:A spade is a... Of course, that's not an excuse, I should have been more careful. Then again, his edits are honestly not helpful to the article and he hasn't provided anything resembling a reliable source. Mackan 20:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a much of an issue here regarding incivility. Mackan does, however, seem to be right in saying that the disputed content fails WP:ATT. Forums, blogs and wikis are not sources. – Steel 20:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Steel, is there a way we can convince Mackan to use his expertise to assist in developing that aspect of the article? I do not have his expertise, but I am curious about the sub-subject at hand. Also, if Misplaced Pages does not consider Misplaced Pages a notable source, what does that tell you? Just H 20:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I doubt Mackan would have any problems with someone adding in information about how Kansai-ben relates to other dialects if we had reliable sources for them. As for Misplaced Pages not considering Misplaced Pages a source... I would hope not. – Steel 20:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If Mackan could just add better versions of what I added, i'd be happy. And wow, Misplaced Pages must think that Misplaced Pages really sucks then, eh? :-) Just H 20:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Whatever. If you could just read WP:ATT I'd be happy. – Steel 20:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Masterofsuspense

This indef blocked user appears to have many sockpuppets being created one after the other(4 blocked so far). GDon4t0 (talk to me...) 20:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Please list. — ERcheck (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

OK. Users: User:Fridaynightjam User:Perryperryperryperry User:Perryperry User:Xalexjx all have made similar contributions and have congratulated eachother on their vandalism. GDon4t0 (talk to me...) 20:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Seems to have stopped now. GDon4t0 (talk to me...) 20:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Block of user MiddleEastern

MiddleEastern (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), has been indef blocked. The block was reviewed first by User:Sandstein who supported the block, and I have reviewed the block twice as per his request, and believe that the block is warranted as well. Given the user persistence to the contrary, I would appreciate it other admins can take a look. See: User_talk:MiddleEastern#Block. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This is the first that I have heard of this case and I have no involvement whatsoever in it--- nevertheless i would like to point out that over some time now I have observed that the actual practice of administrator Jayg belies his pretences of impartiality; he habitually uses wikipedia regulations and administrative privileges selectively to advance his particular political agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.145.134 (talk • contribs)

...says the guy with no edit history other than this comment... IrishGuy 21:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Hm... MiddleEastern was originally blocked by Jayig as a sock of banned vandal Frogsprog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), but I think this is somewhat implausible: Frogsprog usually vandalises Korea-related content while MiddleEastern is focused on Israel/Palestine issues, and apparently speaks Arabic. Jayig (who has not yet commented on the issue) indicated that a checkuser has confirmed IP address identity, but we can't find records of a checkuser request. MiddleEastern meanwhile claims to have used some sort of IP obfuscation, which according to Jossi justifies a block per WP:NOP. Apart from all this, MiddleEastern has exhibited some unpleasant habits sometimes associated with single issue editors, e.g., blaming his troubles on cabals of "Jewish admins"...

Does all this justify an immediate indef block? I'm not quite sure. But my experience says it's rather likely that an user with this kind of attitude will not be a net benefit to the project. Sandstein 21:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

He apologized though, says he "would like to offer an "olive branch" to User:Jayjg" and wants a "new start" etc.--Domitius 21:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no harm in waiting for Jayig's response. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 21:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

MiddleEastern appears to be a single issue editor. (S)he may or may not have a point on that issue. MiddleEastern should realize that There Is No Cabal, but should note that people with particular interests do tend to congregate. In this case I would think it might be on a per-language basis. We have a lack of arwiki<->enwiki translators doing adequate cross checking and sources checking. I would not surprised if both wikis were biased, POV, and out of sync on the topics at issue. If so, this particular case would just be a symptom, not a cause.

Do folks have ideas on where to dig up more arabic translators? (I'll go ask around myself too). --Kim Bruning 21:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I do not find MiddleEastern's claim of buying "IP masking" software on ebay credible. I did a search on ebay for a product with the name of "MaskMaster" and was unable to find anything in the current or completed listings. A google search also turns up nothing. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 22:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, no idea if MiddleEasterns claims are credible yet, but I did manage to start recruiting ar translators. That's something. ^^;; --Kim Bruning 23:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, why don't you just unblock the poor guy. He seems like he sincerely wants to edit wikipedia. He is obviously not a troll and not here to cause problems. I think this might be politically motivated and that is a shame. Jiffypopmetaltop 23:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If you had investigated MiddelEastern's case sufficiently to come to such an informed decision, you would have known "he" appears to be a "she". Rockpocket 23:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. As I said on his talkpage, the main problem I see is that the admin who blocked him was in a content dispute with him.--Domitius 23:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Was he? I cannot find evidence of that. Did the user provide any diffs to support that argument? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we hear Jayjg's justification prior to unblocking this editor. Rockpocket 23:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

MiddleEastern was an incredibly rude and disruptive editor, so I have no problem with the block; the comment "I am only referred to as a troll because a jewish (sic) admin says so" sums up the problem. As for Sandstein's query about why there's no RfCU, first, there's no requirement to post a public RfCU, and secondly, Jayjg has check user rights, so he doesn't have to ask himself. :-) SlimVirgin 00:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

So let me get this straight: In your opinion (SlimVirgin), one off-colour potentially anti-Semitic comment that violates WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL (for which MiddleEastern has apologized) is sufficient evidence in permanently banning a user? And further, you think that because Jayjg (or any other admin has check-user privileges that he is not required to post a public check-user notice? I just want to be sure I understand what your argument is here. Tiamut 00:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

How could the remark only be "potentially anti-Semitic," Tiamut? Can you describe a circumstance in which it might not be? SlimVirgin 02:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That it itself may not. But add the use of proxies to edit WP; add the dubious explanations about his reasons for using a proxy, and you may have grounds for a block. We could change the block for a month or two, if she agrees not use proxies, and agrees to probation on WP:NPA. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Just go and check this user's short edit history. See the edit summaries, see her questioning of editors about their Jewishness (see ), etc. OK, so we do not need to bite the newbies and second chances should be extended in most cases. But her behavior so far does not bode well at all. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The user looks like a sock to me: he started making fancy templates a little bit too soon for a newcomer. Even if the story about mysterious proxy is true, should it be allowed? (see Misplaced Pages:No open proxies) The fact that it is a single issue extremist POV pusher doesn't help his case. I support the block. (Disclaimer: I've conflicted with the user and removed some of his uncivil comments.) ←Humus sapiens 00:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me there are at least two distinct, though related issues here. Firstly, is MiddleEastern really a sockpuppet of Frogsprog - because that was what s/he was blocked for. If not, then how and why was s/he blocked for that reason? Secondly, if s/he isn't a sock should s/he be indef blocked per WP:OP and/or for WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA issues? Personlly I think that is extreme. However, even if the consensus on the second issue is to block, I would still like to get to the bottom of the first issue, otherwise we are open to allegations of using WP:SOCK as a difficult to challenge justification for blocking "nuisance" editors. Rockpocket 01:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Presumably Jay saw the evidence that ME is a sock of Frogspog so your second question may be moot, but frankly, in this case, I think an indef block for WP:OP and/or for WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA issues isn't extreme at all. There are too many "nuisance" editors as it is, and MiddleEastern and/or Frogspog, like anyone else, could have come back without being disruptive. Had this happened, there would have been no reason to examine this editor, and he/she would not have been blocked again. <<-armon->> 02:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I would also add that, in my experience, users who come here and rant about Jews, Muslims, gays, or , don't mend their ways. Support indef. IronDuke 02:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

ME's and Frogspog's "voices" are very similar. Both went in for lots of ranting (ME anti-Jew/Israel and FS anti-American), lots of caps and shouting, both appeared to live or have lived in the UK, neither were native English speakers, both made the same kinds of errors. Add the apparent technical evidence to that. But even without the sockpuppetry, the block would be warranted. SlimVirgin 02:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

As a Jewish editor, I'm offended and support the block, per IronDuke and SlimVirgin. No comment on the sockpuppet thing, the vitriol is the reason that I support the block. ⇒ SWATJester 03:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Support indef block per Iron Duke above.Proabivouac 04:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Diffs like this and this and ignoring consensus (reminiscent of other banned users) such as here imply both a divisive editor as well as one who may have been around the block before. I did not know about WP:ANI in my first week. -- Avi 04:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know about that diff, but that makes me support an indef block also, Frogsprog or not. We can still wait for Jayig to comment, though, before closing that case. Sandstein 06:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree with Sandstein. Rockpocket 06:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

84.13.41.18

Well, I'm not sure what to think. Have a look at the edits in Special:Contributions/84.13.41.18; I was originally suspicious because of this edit, which changed some possibly important information. I am not entirely sure whether this editor is contributing in good faith or not. Yuser31415 22:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

This IP just deleted this section of AN/I, as seen in his contribs (I forgot to CnP the diff.) ThuranX 23:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The same editor also blanked several sections of my Talk page today around the same time, which makes me rather suspicious. I warned the IP on its Talk page.--chris.lawson 01:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Apart from that edit linking to the Stansted disambiguation page rather than London Stansted Airport, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's a totally good faith edit and not vandalism. Original version was:

It is the fourth largest airport serving the London area after Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. It is one of London's six international airports, along with Heathrow, Gatwick, City, Stansted and Luton

The IP's version was:

It is the fourth largest airport serving the London area after Heathrow, Gatwick and Stansted. It is one of London's 5 international airports, along with London City Airport.

The IP's version removes the redundant duplication, and also changes the incorrect figure of 6 as the maths is completely wrong. The article said London Luton plus 5 other airports make 6, but London Luton was included in the other 5. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 02:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you're "not entirely sure whether this editor is contributing in good faith or not", some might say issuing a blatant vandal warning is incredibly poor judgement, especially as his edits weren't vandalism. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 02:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

However, the IP's blanking of this AN/I, instead of a reply here, IS worth discussing, since it should be up to others to say 'nothign ot see here' instead of him removing it; if any accused could remove, that could lead to chaos here. ThuranX 03:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Assuming good faith, ThuranX, I would say that since that IP just started editing here the day before yesterday, s/he probably isn't acquainted with our policies. Yuser, on the other hand, is an established user and should know better than to call another editor a blatant vandal. Considering this IP is so new, I think s/he is to be commended for such a calm response to such aggressive messages. Jeffpw 10:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

UFO

• User User:Djma12 just went in and removed a lot of working links, stating that they were dead and I had to go back and put them back in. I thought it would be best to bring this to y'alls attention (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

TallulahBelle in the article Historiography is reverting legitimate good faith edits marking them as "vandalism" and stated the following on Talk:Historiography:

• "Cutting well thought-out material while simultaneously putting in nonsensical, obnoxious blather is vandalism. Hence I am reverting vandalism."
• "The historiography article has a veneer of gobbledy-gook that I hope to remove, so long as people hoping to maintain that gobbledy-gook get out of my way."

In fact the edits I made to the article are far from vandalism (seen here), they include a {{fact}} tag for TallulahBelle's recent addition (apparently TallulahBelle doesn't like fact tags on his material) and the creation of a Lead Section per the WP:LEAD guidelines. Attempts at discussion on the talk page have resulted in the above personal-attack comments that I can't really respond too without escalating bad relations. Any help dealing with this would be appreciated. -- Stbalbach 22:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Left a message asking the user not to refer to good-faith edits as vandalism. For what it's worth, it looks like you're both skirting WP:3RR (User:TallulahBelle may already have gone to 4RR); probably best to pursue dispute resolution rather than edit-warring further. MastCell 23:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd think Stbalbach's reinstatement of the good faith edits deleted (which itself could be considered vandalism) qualifies as exempt from the 3RR.⇒ SWATJester 03:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd think User:TallulahBelle's edits fall under What vandalism is not, under "Stubborness". Unless you think TallulahBelle was engaged in a deliberate, bad-faith attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages, rather than a garden-variety content dispute which he/she handled badly? MastCell 04:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

... and would appear that User:TallulahBelle has been blocked for 12 hours for 3RR violation. MastCell 23:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

User:PelicansPatkin (ref User:Netspine above and User:MelicanMatkins)

New sock/alias of User:Netspine. History behind all this is:

03:10, 16 March 2007 Netsnipe (Talk | contribs) blocked "MelicanMatkins (contribs)" (anon. only, account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (Account impostering User:MelicansMatkin.)

So today there's been User:Netspine (now blocked) and now User:PelicansPatkin (which I admit I haven't even looked at in depth) It's rather obviously a sockpuppet, or am I confused? Shenme 22:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're confused. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PelicansPatkin (talk • contribs) 22:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Hmmm. Why do I disagree? IrishGuy 23:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I have blocked PelicansPatkin (talk · contribs) as an obvious vandal and troll. --Yamla 23:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• note: aka Netspine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
  • MelicanMatkin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
  • MelicanMatkins (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
  • 74.109.244.5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Just for reference :-) Shenme 23:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to assume that MelicinMatkan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is part of this club and block. If nothing else, it's a username problem. Natalie 01:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Also found and blocked PelicanPatkins (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Natalie 01:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I see the IP's been given a longer block; hopefully that slows things down for a bit. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

user:CanadianCaesar premature closed debate on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Black people

After 4½ hours admin CanadianCaeser prematurely closed debate on the above-mentioned article. I prepared comments for his talk page detailing why Misplaced Pages:Speedy keep was inappropriate, and how Misplaced Pages:SNOW was not a policy and in any event should not apply here. I asked him to reopen debate. He declined . I would like another administrator to review this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jd2718 (talk • contribs) 01:07, March 19, 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review, second door on your left. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 01:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Just in case avoiding a pointless DRV is possible, I agree with CC's close. Mangojuice 01:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't meet any condition for Speedy Keep, but he's cited speedy keep. He's also cited SNOW (not a policy), but it plainly fails the test for SNOW. It is not an admin's job to substitute his/her judgement for the community's. Jd2718 01:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Two people engaging in tangential commenting of others' keep votes is not "community judgment." And the admin's judgment can actually supercede the community if policy is violated, but that is irrelevant. —physicq (c) 01:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the debate here. Only two delete votes, and one from a POV pusher who engages in edit wars over whether gorillas are monkeys. JuJube 01:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is on DRV now, suggest further comments go there.--Doc 01:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Off-wiki canvassing at Talk:Rule of Rose

I've been embroiled in a (less than worthwhile) dispute about a series of external links added by 67.163.193.239 (talk · contribs) to some video game articles; the links appear to be her website about the games (low content, portal to a forum, etc etc). Discussion at my talk page, and then at Talk:Rule of Rose. Long story short, I suspected off-wiki canvassing, and then confirmed it screenshot (post now deleted from forum). Is this, of itself, worthy of further admin action? I'm too involved, so I'll defer to others. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 01:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Reported both IPs for apparent 3rr violations here. - Denny 02:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I've scrubbed my talk page and I'm going to step away for a bit, but I'd just like to note that I've been accused by these IPs of forging the screenshot above, singling them out for harassment, etc etc. If anyone is in doubt, I swear on my wikibible as an admin that the screenshot is genuine. Cheers. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 04:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Main page FA template vandalism

A rather disgusting scatalogical image has bene introduced onto the main page FA (Uranium) via a template. The article seems to include many templates. Help is requested locating the one that has been vandalised... WjBscribe 02:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Could someone delete: Image:DNAanima.jpg as a matter of urgency. WjBscribe 02:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Image has been deleted. However Uranium appear to contain over 40 templates. It is very vulnerable to this sort of vandalism. WjBscribe 02:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You know... I thought those template vandals got tired of doing what they do; I was hoping enough time had passed whereby I didn't need to keep protecting those templates. Oh well; I guess not. The templates are now protected through User:Tariqabjotu/TOFA templates A, and I (or someone else) will continue protecting them indefinitely. -- tariqabjotu 02:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer moving them to Misplaced Pages:Protected titles, a new page if necessary. It appears that every admin has a set of pages or templates protected via cascading, which is basically awful. -- ReyBrujo 02:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It is time to apply cascading protection, as it now exists for the mainpage itself, to the day's featured article page. I don't know exactly how exactly this would be done since the FA itself isn't usually protected, but we need to find a way. Newyorkbrad 02:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how the software handles that. See Bug 8796. There was some back and forth in SVN related to that bug. Titoxd 02:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Or cascade move protect Uranium, which should still work (the fix isn't live yet). Prodego 02:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, still works. Nice bug. Prodego 02:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) But then anyone can just put anything on Today's Featured Article to get it protected. I'm not sure that would be a bad thing though, since the page is watched so much that anything that should not be on there will get reverted. However, the cascading template method has been working for months (except for today); the method does not actually take very long. -- tariqabjotu 02:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we should suggest that this 'bug' isn't 'fixed'. While cascading semi and move protection allows non-admins to fully protect pages by transcluding them, on high profile pages like the day's FA this is going to be noticed and reverted pretty swiftly. – Steel 02:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It may be fixed; there hasn't been a scap recently (there is a change in the schema pending, which requires database servers to be switched around; it is a complex task, and until it is done, all the changes to MediaWiki after revision 20145 won't be applied to the live MediaWiki used on Misplaced Pages and the rest of the Wikimedia wiki farm. I say "may" because I'm not sure how it was fixed... Titoxd 02:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, what's that for us who aren't up to date on mediawiki/developer/technical jargon? – Steel 02:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It means that we are running old, but "safe" code. It also means that until Brion or Tim changes the English Misplaced Pages database server to something else, changes some database tables in the original server around, and then moves the database back to the original server, all the bugs in MediaWiki are fixed, but only in the Subversion repository. The English Misplaced Pages won't see the fixes until we run the newest code again. Titoxd 03:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There may be already, but how about: there is basically an exact copy of Uranium, as say Misplaced Pages:Mainpage article/Date, and then a cascade protected Misplaced Pages:Mainpage article, which transcludes the current day's subpage. Prodego 02:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea; never thought of that. -- tariqabjotu 02:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, if there are any new transcludes added the page would have to be updated manually, but it is as easy as {{subst::Uranium}}. A bot could keep watch perhaps, and add the next day to a queue. Prodego 02:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm hesitant about any new system that requires routine manual updating. Wasn't the original problem with main page penises that things weren't being updated (protections, in this case)? – Steel 02:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

How often are new templates added to the main page FA anyway? It would be a pretty exceptional occurance. WjBscribe 03:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

But that would erase all the good edits made to the article. Titoxd 02:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

How? The main article wouldn't be touched. Here is a working example, minus the daily update procedure. Prodego 02:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I mean while the article is on TFA. Uranium would (or at the least, should) still stay open for editing, and if I understand this correctly, you would be substing the subpage onto Uranium if it gets vandalized. Or am I not reading this correctly? Titoxd 02:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

As I understand it, the idea is to have a copy of the article somewhere else to cascade protect. So the main article can still be edited but its templates will all be protected because a copy of it (containing all the same templates) has been cascade protected. WjBscribe 03:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Goodness, I can't get a word in here (the edit conflict bug needs to be fixed). Anyway, Prodego means that if a new template is added to Uranium, the secondary page could have the updated page substed onto it. I think cascading protection is better, though as it's automatic. -- tariqabjotu 03:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That requires developer intervention though. Plus the security bug. Prodego 03:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

To whom are you replying? -- tariqabjotu 03:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You. I mean that any way to protect transcludes, and not the article needs to be coded, and allows anyone to protect a page by transcluding it. Not a problem on the FA, but on other pages... Prodego 03:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Section break

Ok, trying to gather everyone's thoughts together after all the edit conflicts.

• Cascade protect the FA.

  Pros: Quick and easy, simply enable cascading when the page is move protected.

  Cons: People could remove templates from the page and vandalise them. The template removal to the FA will get reverted, with a fully protected vandalised template in place. Hilarity ensues.

• Prodego's duplicate FA page.

  Pros: Doesn't allow non-admins to play about on cascade protected pages, etc.

  Cons: Requires manual updating every day. In the past, when people have failed to do this, main page pensises resulted.

– Steel 03:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The bug allowing the first option is already fixed, just not live yet. Prodego 03:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Reality check: it's very rare (i.e. it has never occurred) that a new, appropriate template has been added to TFA and then vandalized. Subst:ing an article takes no time whatsoever, compared to my current method, which takes some (but still not a lot) of time. -- tariqabjotu 03:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It will add to categories though. Prodego 03:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Mutilated penises and oozing feces or accidental categories. That's a toughie. Or, then again, there is the current method. -- tariqabjotu 03:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't we combine both options? Have the cascade protection enabled as the default option. Then, once an admin creates the duplicate page, they remove the cascade protection from the FA? Then its not as big a deal if everyone forgets to create the duplicate page. WjBscribe 03:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Extra work though. – Steel 03:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

(Yet another edit conflict) Testing at Hurricane Nora (1997), I saw that if cascading protection works, under the following conditions:

• Move-protect only
• Cascade-protect off
• Edit-protect off

I tested it with a two-hour expiry as well, so I guess that we can just cascade-protect the TFA daily. Yes, there's the privilege bug, but we can deal with that when the need arises. But that still doesn't do anything about Steel's scenario. Titoxd 03:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I assume you mean "Cascade-protect on". However: That is already fixed. It will not continue working after Mediawiki is upgraded, which it is regularly. Prodego 03:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

If we decided that the first option is best, surely we could just get the devs to unfix the bug? – Steel 03:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's on. However, again, I'm not sure how it was fixed; there was talk of disallowing semi-protection in cascade-protected articles; there was talk about just requiring those adding a new transclusion to have protect privileges in cascade-protected pages. There were some fixes, some "unfixes", then some more fixes. I don't know how it actually was fixed at the end. Titoxd 03:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Both settings must be set to the type of user that can protect(sysop) for cascade protection to work. Prodego 03:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Better Idea

How about this.

• Get a bot to put all the transcludes on a page 2 minutes before the page becomes an FA. Then have a page that transcludes that page when the date changes.

  Pros: No work, no downtime on the FA.

  Cons: (None)

Prodego 03:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This seems reasonable. It'd probably be best that the pages be .js or .css files in the bot's userspace to prevent abuse. – Steel 03:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

aseeel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

This user has been repeatedly warned and subsequently blocked for adding spam and prosylitizing links to Islam and Sunni Islam. A more serious preventative measure needs to occur given his continued behavior in this regard despite having been blocked for this once already. (→Netscott) 04:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

From this account's list of contributions we can see that this account is not being used for encyclopedic purposes (all edits have been for spamming) and it in fact may be a bot... an indef. block is probably the sensible thing to do at this point. (→Netscott) 04:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Aseeel may as well as be a bot for all we know. Warned again and again, and now fresh of his block, he's not bothered to respond, but just picks up and resumes as if nothing had happened. An indefinite block is in order, to be lifted only if and when he finds it worth his time to acknowledge the community.Proabivouac 04:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked indef as spam only. _InBC 04:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Admin assist, please

Request a (highly principled, impartial) admin to assist with article Jeanne Marie Spicuzza. My own contributions per box instructions are in vain. User Antaeus Feldspar appears to have a negative history with the article, COI, and seems to be acting out of some sort of anomosity towards the subject, and any/all of its contributors and/or editors, WP:POINT, WP:CREEP, WP:BITE (see edit notes and talk page) violating WP:AGF, WP:FAITH, WP:DR bordering on WP:CIV, WP:EQ. Thanks for your assistance. Telogen 05:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a joke, right? AF has not edited the article once, and only started editing the talk page to respond to your sockpuppet account, and all he has done there is to explain Misplaced Pages's attribution policy to you. I couldn't find a single comment or edit summary that expressed any sort of emotion toward the article's subject, and no violations of any of the policies you mentioned. Are you just trolling? —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 05:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Richard Walter

copied from Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard

Bturvey (talk · contribs) & 24.240.17.187 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) have been battling over this article, with 3RR violations and threatening comments from both to each other. The content dispute centers around allegations of perjury and falsification of credentials, that I haven't had time to go over. I'm signing off for the night, so hopefully others can step in. -- Scientizzle 05:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk page redaction question/review

Background: See Talk:Black people. The article is a POV/edit war magnet, and has all the requisite "keep a cool head" boilerplates on the talk page. The article was just speedily kept in an AFD, and that is under review at DRV.

Also note, that I'm not involved in any way with the content of the article. I stumbled across the talk page while investigating

The comment in question is left by an IP who wrote: "Where is your comment regarding the existence of the "White People" article? I don't see your comments in that article's discussion page. Where is the request to delete the "White (People)" article in any event? --208.254.174.148"

I see that comment as particularly incivil against another editor who asked an innocuous question regarding why the page exists. I redacted the comment per WP:CIVIL#Removing_uncivil_comments

It's basically reverse racism. Why bite someone for questioning the existence of a Black people article with "Why you got a problem with black people huh? Why don't you have anything against White people."?

According to WP:CIVIL, "Whereas incivility is roughly defined as personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater conflict and stress, "

As well, for removing incivil comments, "Remove offensive comments on talk pages (since they remain in the page history, anyone can find them again or refer to them later on)"

thus, I feel in the right having redacted the comment. However, User:JD2718 does not seem to agree, and is reinstating the redacted content, basically forcing the incivil comment to stay in. I've reverted him once and he's reverted back (the present version).

I'd like a review as to whether I'm in the right in removing this comment, or if JD2718 is correct and the comment should remain. ⇒ SWATJester 05:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Generally speaking, removing someone's commrnts should only be done rarely and with consesnus. Obviously if someone reverts you, then you don't have consensus. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 05:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I disagree with your statement that a reversion = lack of consensus. If that was true, any one person could disrupt consensus on any other thing, and there would never be any progress made on wikipedia. ⇒ SWATJester 06:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

More Serafin sockpuppets

He has unleashed yet more sockpuppets, this time another IP address and user:Wiatr. It is pretty obvious Wiatr is him, as he makes a personal attack upon me here yet I have never dealt with Wiatr before, and it is clearly in the same style as Serafin's technique.

• user:Wiatr (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
• 155.54.204.100 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

--Jadger 05:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Paleontologist.piczo

I blocked this user after he continued to upload dinosaur pictures taken from another website (see the deleted edits from the upload log for examples) after being warned and told to include some sort of description beyond just the image tag. Please unblock him if he decides to communicate... I may not be available for a while. It's possible that the pictures on the website are his, or that the website is GFDL (it didn't say) but the mixture of public domain and GFDL tags he was using don't quite make sense if that's the case. Grandmasterka 08:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Accusations of sockpuppetry by User talk:David Spart concerning User:R._Baley

I have been accused of being a sock puppet by David Spart on multiple user pages (here and here) and Greenwald's talk page Talk:Glenn_Greenwald. I don't know where else these accusations lie, but I shouldn't have to put up with it. I shouldn't have to prove my innocence but here are my contributions. My suppposed sock "master's" contributions are here Special:Contributions/Thumperward. I simply request a retraction anywhere these comments appear by the user David Spart, who made them. If Spart does not cease to make these accusations I would request further corrective measures. R. Baley 08:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Richard A Muller

User:Richard A Muller says he is Richard A. Muller and there is little reason to doubt this, although is a bit dodgy. Is there any procedure for asking people with famous names to verify themselves? William M. Connolley 09:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• People can confirm their identities by emailing the OTRS list from an identifiable email address. - Mgm| 09:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Users CobaltBlue612 and SteveG doctoring articles

On the article 'Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2' these two Misplaced Pages users are stubbornly and repeatedly erasing any mention of the widespread issues that are found on the Xbox 360 version of the game. While it seams there are many users who are now doing their best to re-submit the relevant section of the article, therefore maintaining the accuracy and honesty of the article, I believe these two users should be restricted in their ability to edit this site.

I also question whether or not they have any affiliation with the companies Microsoft and Ubisoft, as their devotion to censoring this issue from the article is very frequent and unusual. "211.28.166.87 10:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)"

The material seems to be pretty poor and not suitable for inclusion because of WP:ATT - having said that, Cobaltblue612 has breached 3RR and should be blocked for that (I'm not going to report him - I find the 3rr page a real pain in the arse to work with). --Fredrick day 10:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I have come to the issue via WP:RFPP and have warned both editors at the time about 3rr and Cobaltblue612 has not since edited the article while 64.85.234.166 (talk · contribs) has including personal attack and trying to avoid 3rr by logging in as Dibol (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) while clearly showing the relation. PPS Cobaltblue612 has reverted the other IP while I was composing this. Agathoclea 10:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• CobaltBlue612 here (I am actually the user who posted undr SteveG when I was editing via my IP and not an account). I have removed the content in question numerous times because of its poor sources which are tantamount to heresay. The basis of these claims seems to be that the issues, if they're actually widespread, seem to be a general Xbox 360 issue that affects any title that would place a heavy load on the Xbox 360. If that is the case then any such mentions would belong in the Xbox 360 article (Otherwise every article for a game on this platform would contain such a section, as would most games for most other platforms since just about every console has had initial production run issues). The editor in question has repeatedly ignored requests to cite notable sources and has so fair neglected to take part in the talk page of the article other than to accuse me of being a Microsoft / UBISoft shill. In addition User:Steel359 reviewed my request to semi-protect this article (and in the process reverted one of these additions) and I am further discussing this with User:Agathoclea who has so far blocked one of the users who keeps re-adding the material in. CobaltBlue612 10:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • CobaltBlue612 has undertaken here not to edit the article until there is some further resolution. Agathoclea 10:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Further to my argument that the user is simply trolling, please review the additions they made to the 360 headset article where you can see the user is simply adding unsubstantiated negative commentry to articles regarding the Xbox 360. CobaltBlue612 10:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Additionally the user seems to be interacting a manner that indicates sock-puppetry with User_talk:64.85.234.166. You can see that the 217.x user posted a recent comment to their talk page extolling their additions to the article in question and again insulting me in the process. The second IP in question has been actioned by Agathoclea earlier today for removing talk page commentary, being insulting and making nonsensical additions to an article on another subject (Power Rangers of all things....). You can see here that the user was warned about personal attacks. CobaltBlue612 11:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Unless some proxies are involved they are opposite sides of this planet. Agathoclea 11:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
        • A cursory check doesnt seem to indicate the presence of proxies on those addresses. Seems odd though given the fact they're both active at the same time from opposite sides of the planet given the time differential involved. CobaltBlue612 11:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Another user has taken it upon themselves to remove the content in question this time. If the content re-appears again what is the acceptable course of action? I'm still going to refrain from further edits until this is cleared up but since it is likely that within minutes the comments will be back any official determinations or guidance in this matter would be helpful.... CobaltBlue612 11:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
        • In fact that is the first step. If your view has a wide support of the community there is no need for yourself to make the reverts. Others will do so. As far as further options are concerned WP:DR outlines many. Page protection is tricky as the page might get locked into the wrong version. Semi-protection might be a shortterm solution. Agathoclea 11:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Anon Telia user deliberately inserting false data in Misplaced Pages articles (III)

Earlier discussed here (one-week block) and here (two-day block).

What I believe to be a single user

• 159.190.251.62 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 62.20.114.32 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 62.20.115.226 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 212.181.178.31 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
• 212.181.178.174 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

has been making hundreds of disruptive edits to articles about female celebrities from a dynamic-address Telia account. Because the edits change just a few characters, he often goes for hours or days before someone goes through and cleans it up, and they often just give a caution. Potentially severe WP:BLP problems. The short-term blocks haven't discouraged the person. -- TedFrank 10:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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