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| Using the area for being able to meaningfully present the issues that need to be addressed in relation to the Falun Gong article and in particular the need to explain Fa-rectification etc. | |||
| == Havent been banned yet. == | |||
| WP:AE is still in progress and several people have spoken in your defense ] (]) 16:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :thx, had meant to respond and explain. I wasn't trying to get out of sanctions (I didn't know it worked like that), just found the process unappealing. --]] 17:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| For Dafa disciples there are just three things right now. One is clarifying the facts. One is sending righteous thoughts—sending righteous thoughts has an effect on your own bodies and things outside of your body. And the other is cultivating yourselves and studying the Fa well. These three things are of utmost importance. Now you’re all clear on the purpose of clarifying the facts, which is to expose the evil persecution and to let the world’s people know and to let the beings in the cosmos know. While you’re clarifying here, layers upon layers of your bodies that have completed cultivation are also clarifying at cosmic bodies of different levels. You have to expose the persecution and the evil drama, and you have to let the world’s people see it clearly, and this too suppresses it and eliminates it. Clarifying the facts is most powerful, and it’s an act of grand compassion since this persecution is completely based on lies and deception. So you’re all clear on the purpose of Dafa disciples’ sending righteous thoughts, which is mainly done to clean out the evil beings that control the human race and make it do evil against Dafa and persecute Dafa disciples and the world’s people, and it’s to save the human race and sentient beings, and to clear out the obstacles to Fa-rectification that were set up. So it’s of utmost importance. No Dafa disciple can neglect this. Nor can you use any excuse to neglect sending righteous thoughts. That’s because if you don’t cleanse yourself well you won’t be able to do well yourself, and if you don’t cleanse yourself well you’ll also interfere with others. The third thing is studying the Fa well. If you don’t study this Great Law well your own Consummation won’t be secured. What’s more, all the important Dafa things you should do will be like ordinary people going about their business, with ordinary-person thoughts and with an ordinary person’s basis, and then that’s just ordinary people, at best that’s just ordinary people doing good deeds for Dafa. Since you’re Dafa disciples you can’t dissociate yourselves from the Fa when you do things. You’re still continually changing this most surface part that hasn’t changed. That’s why you can’t go without studying the Fa. You must study the Fa well. In the process of studying the Fa you’ll be able to keep clearing away bad elements in yourself, changing the last bit of stuff you have that hasn’t yet been changed. Why did I always use to tell you so emphatically to study the Fa, study the Fa, and study the Fa well? Because it’s of utmost importance. | |||
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| What I’m saying is, during your cultivation you have to seize the day and cultivate yourselves well. No matter how busy you are or how many things you have to do, you can’t neglect your own Fa study and cultivation. It’s the fundamental guarantee that you’ll do well in validating the Fa, and it’s also a guarantee that you’ll be able to make it to the last step. Many, many things appear ordinary, but infinitely wonderful and magnificent special honors are contained in them. If you can do the three things well then everything is covered, everything is encompassed. There isn’t much time left to validate the Fa. Just take a look—the evil is about to fall apart. You folks in the audience have come through from July 20, 1999. You’ve seen how things were then and now. It doesn’t matter how rampant the evil is in some parts of China, it’s not the same anymore. And this is true around the world. People are more and more clear about this evil persecution. The world’s people are awakening. Changes like this only come about when the evil has been eliminated to that extent. Only when the evil is purged can people awaken. To put it another way, the evil persecution can’t hold up anymore, and the time that was given to the evil is running out. If before the enormous force of Fa-rectification arrives the old forces think that they can no longer test the Dafa disciples and establish mighty virtue for this Fa, then the old forces will make them get off the stage of history and enter the gate of no life, and this thing will be over. So you’ve got to seize the day. During this last period of time before it ends you really don’t want to let yourselves down, and you should do the last things well. Now, Master isn’t leading you to revolt like those revolutionaries (people laugh), Master isn’t leading you to take away somebody’s political power. Master is leading you to cultivate. (Applause) What you expose is the evil, the evilness of that scoundrel regime, and the purpose is to restrain the evil, to eliminate the evil, and to eliminate the persecution of Dafa disciples and Dafa (Applause). It isn’t about getting some ordinary people’s things out in the ordinary world. So when you do things you have to do them from the standpoint of a Dafa disciple. You need to have ordinary people understand the things you do, and you don’t want to make ordinary people think we’re after some ordinary thing—absolutely not! Of course, as of today that which doesn’t understand is just the human surface—the people of the world actually do know. And why do I say they do know? Because every being has a side that knows; he knows what Dafa is all about. Things were how they were a while ago because evil elements separated the human surface from the side of people that knows, and they manipulated the human surface that doesn’t know. Now those elements are being gradually cleared away, more and more of them are being eliminated, what’s left is becoming less and less, and the world’s people are becoming ever more awake. | |||
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| The ''']''' took place in ] in central Beijing on 23 January 2001. The incident is disputed: the official Chinese press agency, ], stated that five members of ], a banned spiritual movement, set themselves on fire to protest the unfair treatment of Falun Gong by the Chinese government. The Falun Dafa Information Center stated the incident was a hoax staged by the Chinese government to turn public opinion against the group and to justify the torture and imprisonment of its practitioners. The incident received international news coverage, and video footage was broadcast later in the People's Republic of China by ]. A wide variety of opinions and interpretations of what may have happened emerged: the event may have been set up by the government, it may have been an authentic protest, or the self-immolators "new or unschooled" practitioners, among others. The campaign of state propaganda that followed the event eroded public sympathy for Falun Gong, and the government began sanctioning "systematic use of violence" against the group. (]) | |||
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| Teacher: The ultimate factor of the old forces is evil toward the Fa-rectification itself, is selfish, and is an enormous tribulation for the cosmos that was planted for the Fa-rectification itself. The Gods of the old forces that are all throughout have their own specific arrangements for what they want at different specific levels. So at each level they arranged for the success of the Fa-rectification. But from the perspective of the Fa’s mighty virtue, the old forces at higher levels are eliminating the ones at the next level down, because they know that whoever takes part in the Fa-rectification will have to be eliminated—this is the Great Law of the cosmos after all, so no being at any level is worthy of influencing it. The reason I say that the ultimate old forces are evil is that when the Fa-rectification proceeds to the end it’s found that they are no more than an enormous tribulation planted for the Fa-rectification, and they’re nothing more than that. | |||
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| Before the Fa-rectification of the cosmos began they had their plans, which were self-serving. I find that once I start talking about certain things it gets really involved and will take a long time. If I were to answer any of your questions in detail it could take days, because when it comes to the process that’s involved, the higher the level, the more the Fa that I teach elevate from the truths below, and so it becomes hard to understand if I don’t talk about the process in the middle. Even though it’s all-encompassing and all-harmonizing… you know, there are small Faluns, large Faluns, and larger Faluns, and like the cosmos, Faluns are all-encompassing and all-harmonizing, but in larger cosmic bodies there are Faluns as well, and in larger and larger cosmic bodies there still are, and in larger and larger and larger cosmic bodies there still are. However large a cosmic body is, there are Faluns that large. When it gets to the upper-level cosmic bodies there are greater truths there. But overall the truths in the colossal firmament are connected, all-encompassing, and all-harmonizing, so as changes occur from level to level the Fa’s truths in the cosmic bodies change significantly. | |||
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| Question: Will the mankind of post Fa-rectification of the human world have any memory of today’s mankind? | |||
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| Teacher: Mankind, the mankind of the future, they’ll eulogize today’s Fa-rectification for generation after generation. (Applause) The truth about this persecution hasn’t yet been fully revealed for mankind to see. Mankind will be shocked. The Consummation of Dafa disciples, the occurrence of everything that mankind doesn’t believe in, and the process of all of mankind’s deviated things being rectified—these will be soul stirring, and not just shocking but terrifying. All of those things will happen. So this segment of history will be passed down by mankind for all eternity. | |||
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| Teacher: Actually, they’re causing interference in a variety of areas. What I said in the morning was encompassed by and supplementing Zhuan Falun. Zhuan Falun talks about things in a general sense but it contains very deep inner meanings. If you don’t study the Fa often, then the Fa I’m teaching right now will seem hard to understand. The profoundness of the Fa-truths of the Dafa of the cosmos isn’t something that can be fully grasped at low levels. The Fa can manifest itself at different levels, and it can manifest itself in broad ways and specific ways at the same level—it’s all-encompassing. | |||
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| ''Question: Because of attachments, I’ve been in a poor state for a long time. I want to do Dafa work well, yet I’m afraid that my poor state will affect other practitioners. Should I set the work aside and really put a lot into cultivating myself for a period of time?'' | |||
| Teacher: It won’t affect anything if you study the Fa while you do Dafa work. Master doesn’t have any objection to that. Also, those of you here, whether you’re a student or you have a job, none of you can neglect the role that you play in the ordinary people’s society. You all have to do well in everything that you should do, and at the same time it makes things easier in your work of validating Dafa and clarifying the truth. Otherwise, if you can’t even be financially stable, if on a daily basis you have to worry about shelter and food, if the most basic needs of life can’t be assured, how can you have extra energy to validate the Fa? Isn’t that interference? Don’t make unnecessary troubles for yourself, and don’t just follow along without much thought. If you have a better source of income and want to change your way of living, I’m not against it. What I’m saying is, if all of you go and stop working that’s just totally unacceptable. | |||
| Do you know how important this form of cultivation of today’s Dafa disciples is? In the time to come, here at this place of humans, a human becoming a God will no longer be a myth. Previously in this place of humans, when people talked about cultivation of this or cultivation of that, it was all just cultivating the assistant spirit—humans weren’t cultivating at all. In the future, the future that you’re forging, you’ll have left behind in this place the path for humans to become Gods! Everything you’re doing today is the actual practice that will be used as examples in the future, of being able to cultivate while doing ordinary people’s work. If you go to extremes you’ll wreck this path, so you cannot go to extremes. You should just openly and nobly do well in what you should do in society, and then cultivate. Then you’ll definitely be able to meet the standard that cultivators should meet, the standard for Consummation, because this is the path that the people of the future will take. | |||
| '''The human society of the future is one without religion, and everyone will be a part of society, people will be participating in everything of that society, and perhaps the Fa-truths at this level of human beings and their inner meanings at higher levels will be integrated throughout the textbooks that students study. So in this Fa-rectification it’s being made possible for man to become Gods. It’s not a change at this level of human beings—it involves a systematic harmonizing and perfecting of the entire cosmic system, it’s the harmonizing and perfecting of the Fa. This type of event where people persecute Gods who are here to save people won’t exist again. Situations like Jesus being crucified will absolutely never be allowed to happen again. So how we walk the path of cultivation well in this place of ordinary people has become of utmost importance.''' | |||
| ''Question: Not acknowledging the old forces is very important, so could we ask revered Master to talk about how to do well in this? Thank you.'' | |||
| Teacher: Well, what I just talked about was all about these things. Don’t acknowledge the old forces’ arrangements, and negate this entire persecution they arranged. They want to have the Dafa disciples become mature through this persecution—that’s the aspect of it that has unfolded before people’s eyes. The aspect of it that hasn’t shown itself is that if everything they want to do succeeded, then that’d be something the future couldn’t acknowledge. What’s manifest here on this human side is very simple. The side of you that has completed cultivation knows what’s going on, and I don’t acknowledge any of the old forces’ arrangements or this current persecution. | |||
| Let’s take an extremely microcosmic, enormous being in the cosmos, one that no Gods can know, it saw that the cosmic celestial bodies would head towards disintegration during a certain period, and because of a being’s one instinctive thought of not wanting to head towards destruction, it set in motion the layers and layers of firmaments as well as the layers and layers of cosmic bodies inside those layers and layers of firmaments, all the way down to the layers and layers of universes inside the multitude of cosmic bodies and layers and layers of beings inside the multitude of universes, and it caused the gigantic Gods in the various firmaments to arrange ways to save themselves. From top to bottom there were more Gods participating at level after level, making even more detailed arrangements, all the way down to the Three Realms. Because that one thought came from an extremely high level, the cosmos’s sentient beings all thought it was the Will of Heaven, and that there was no question they’d meet with complete success, rescuing this grand firmament and cosmic body from destruction. Because of the meticulousness of the arrangements made by the Gods at many levels of cosmic bodies, the arrangements looked so perfect that they excited the multitude of Gods, gave their confidence a big boost and made them believe that they finally had a chance to be saved. At the time, twenty percent of the Gods out of the levels upon levels of beings participated in the affair, and that’s how the old forces came about. | |||
| The sentient beings don’t want to be destroyed, and that’s only natural. But the layers upon layers of beings are all contained within the grand firmament, and over the long course of history everything had been progressing toward the end according to the Fa’s law of the process of formation-stasis-degeneration-destruction, and no being or element could escape it. For sentient beings, when everything disintegrates and there are no conditions for life to exist, then not a single thing can exist. That’s much more terrifying than the re-formation of the cosmos’s cosmic bodies. The Fa’s law of formation-stasis-degeneration-destruction created all of the elements, matter, and life in the old cosmos, and at the same time established the Fa’s law that everything would degenerate. That’s the deterioration from within of all of the elements that make up the cosmos, manifesting itself among the beings as the degeneration of the standard of thoughts and conduct, and once they decline to a certain point they’re unsalvageable, and from there they head towards the final stage of destruction. The old forces pushed to the very limit the Gods’ power and wisdom in arranging what they thought to be the most perfect future, and got so excited that they completely forgot about a key point: That is, when the cosmos progresses to the stage of degeneration, all of the sentient beings and elements in the cosmos are, without exception, in the process of degeneration—the beings, the ways of thinking, the elements, and standards are all impure—and the point at which the standards and everything of beings became no good was arrived at gradually over the gigantic course of history. The Fa’s laws and standards have, over the long course of history, all lost their original magnificence and righteous purity, and so the sentient beings are even more powerless to detect this type of change. That’s because those Gods who are at very high levels never cared about the conduct of the beings below them, much less did they heed my warnings during Fa-rectification. In other words, when the cosmos has reached that point, no matter how good those ideas are that the beings in the cosmos come up with to save themselves, that’s still the conduct of beings in the stage of degeneration and destruction, and falls short of the standard during “formation-stasis” at the cosmos’s beginning and middle stages; and that falls even shorter of the standard of the new cosmos, which is countless times higher than that of the old cosmos. So none of the things the multitude of Gods have done are acknowledged by any of what’s outside of the cosmos. During Fa-rectification I traversed all of the firmaments and saw that those ultimate arrangements of theirs all have omissions and can’t be made complete or harmonized. During Fa-rectification I also traversed every final part of what’s related to the old forces, yet I discovered that the enormous being who had the one thought that led to gigantic disruptions of the true Fa-rectification is not the final being, and there are lots and lots of elements that are higher than it. There, all of the old forces’ arrangements were suddenly gone—all of their arrangements were without foundation, they couldn’t resolve anything, and they disappeared without a conclusion. Yet all of those arrangements by the old forces formed true disruptions and demonic obstacles to the Fa-rectification, and they’ve become enormous tribulations in Fa-rectification. In Fa-rectification it misled all of the Lords, Kings, and sentient beings, and the pressure during Fa-rectification also came from the direct manipulation by all of those sentient beings and old forces. When all of this came to pass, when the sentient beings saw all of this, suddenly it was like they couldn’t think. They saw that what I had said originally and my warnings during Fa-rectification were all true, and they were shocked and speechless—they immediately realized that the sentient beings had all committed crimes against Fa-rectification. They had always thought of me as doing cultivation, or even that they were bringing me along as a cultivator. I think that at this point they’ll never dare to think like that again. | |||
| This tribulation that the old forces arranged in the human world, on the surface it’s being responsible to cultivators, to Fa-rectification, and to me, but in reality the goal of what they arranged was being responsible to what they wanted to do, and all of this that they arranged is not at all what the new cosmos of the future would want, and at the same time it has done a huge amount of damage to the true Fa-rectification. A great deal of what I’d wanted was forcibly destroyed by them. History has passed, and what was lost is hard to recover. How could they possibly bear the responsibility for all of that?! | |||
| Now as practitioners, if in this tribulation you can manage not to acknowledge the old forces’ arrangements, then you can make it through. And those who haven’t done well, the bottom line is, aren’t you acknowledging the old forces’ arrangements? Once you acknowledge them isn’t it like you’re one of them? Because you haven’t done well amidst the persecution it’s caused instability among the practitioners and aggravated the persecution, so aren’t you, too, adding fuel to the fire and helping the evil? Negate them, completely negate everything of the old forces! | |||
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Retired This user is no longer active on Misplaced Pages.Havent been banned yet.
WP:AE is still in progress and several people have spoken in your defense The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
- thx, had meant to respond and explain. I wasn't trying to get out of sanctions (I didn't know it worked like that), just found the process unappealing. --Asdfg12345 17:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
- Retiring for a period to wait out and avoid sanctions is a very reasonable approach. I think it came out wrong I did not mean imply any sinister motivation. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement topic ban: Falun Gong
In application and enforcement of WP:AFLG#Motions, per this AE thread, you are indefinitely topic-banned (as per WP:TBAN) from Falun Gong. I will consider lifting this sanction on appeal after at least a year of unproblematic editing. Sandstein 23:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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The Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident took place in Tiananmen Square in central Beijing on 23 January 2001. The incident is disputed: the official Chinese press agency, Xinhua News Agency, stated that five members of Falun Gong, a banned spiritual movement, set themselves on fire to protest the unfair treatment of Falun Gong by the Chinese government. The Falun Dafa Information Center stated the incident was a hoax staged by the Chinese government to turn public opinion against the group and to justify the torture and imprisonment of its practitioners. The incident received international news coverage, and video footage was broadcast later in the People's Republic of China by China Central Television. A wide variety of opinions and interpretations of what may have happened emerged: the event may have been set up by the government, it may have been an authentic protest, or the self-immolators "new or unschooled" practitioners, among others. The campaign of state propaganda that followed the event eroded public sympathy for Falun Gong, and the government began sanctioning "systematic use of violence" against the group. (more...)
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