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Hi AmharaWAAGpublish, the topic of your new article, Amhara genocide, is undoubtedly important, but it is all the more vital to provide references. Please note that verifiability, as we call it, is one of Misplaced Pages's basic principles, and that neutral presentation of material to the reader is another. We aim to summarize what reliable sources have said on a topic. I note that you are working in your sandbox on a version of the article with references. Add these references to the existing article as soon as possible, please! Yngvadottir (talk) 09:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for the note. I am using my own personal email address and password for this account. Also, i am authoring this article by myself but using references from various sources (one of them happen to be the Amhara WAAG). I will submit the username change form as you advised. AmharaWAAGpublish (talk) 19:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for letting me know. As a new account owner and editor i am trying to catch up with the technology and everything, but i completely understand the importance of adhering with the rules and guidelines. So, I will do my best to do this work with the best of quality (Neutrality and others).

I hope once completed, the decision team give it some consideration. I agree we have open HR and ongoing violations. I live in the US where I can leave and return home safely, and thought the least i can do is to document the data on the Amhara case- so I like to do it in the way it is Universally accepted.

Thank you again! AmharaWAAGpublish (talk) 20:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Draftified

Hi Petra0922, I see your article got draftified but you're continuing to work on it. Please do. For advice, I suggest the talk pages for the two WikiProjects listed on the talk page: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Human rights and Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ethiopia, and our help space for new editors, the Teahouse. You can learn more about the "articles for creation" process that drafts go through, including how to submit the draft for consideration to be moved back to mainspace, here. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Yngvadottir. You noticed:). I will check the talk pages and ask questions as well. I just quickly read the AFC page. i plan to finish the references and submit soon. Thank you for all your recommendations and tips! Petra0922 (talk) 09:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Updated the drafted article

Hello Yngvadottir. If it is ok, i wanted to get your recommendation for any red flags on the Amhara Genocide before submitting it for a review. I still need to work on the Infobox section, and trying to follow up with other editors who worked on the article too. Thank you Petra0922 (talk) 17:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Amhara genocide has a new comment

Thank you. This is a great feedback. I removed the inline references from the earlier versions to "tidy up" the draft. Now i see the importance of adding it back. I appreciate your help! Petra0922 (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

No problem. I see little issues with the draft, except this as it may open up to others to edit war and some formatting, which is minor. Other than that it was ready to go. Putting the references may help lower the possibility/instances of edit wars happening, and help other editors to determine if the information included or excluded to be reverted. – robertsky (talk) 01:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I certainly want to reduce edit war. Please, i would appreciate any general or specific tips on formatting as well. I will add the Table references this weekend as you advised. I think i need to explore how I can leverage the line break on the references column- to avoid super wide table. Thank you again! You may have noticed that the article is created. BTW, Is there emoji's in here:) Petra0922 (talk) 10:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hello @Numberguy6 (talk). Currently, the Amhara genocide article is nominated for deletion. Since you are familiar about the article, I thought you would be interested to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Petra0922 (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely fantastic and a rare news!!!!! Thank you. I appreciate the encouragements as well. I should be writing more articles. What a great reception! I am super happy and need to stop writing now:) Petra0922 (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I downgraded the B-class assessment for Amhara genocide to C-class after applying the B-class checklist and found that your citation style was inconsistent with bare URL's in some citations. After looking at your wiki-markup, may I suggest that you read WP:CITESTYLE to see the various options you have available. Perhaps the easiest to use is the collection of templates known as Citation style 1, which I see that you are already trying to use in your citations, but with limited success. You should not need to add any extra text outside these citations. The various available templates should all accept a range of common parameters, such as authors first and last names, titles of a new item or article, as well as the work, website, book or journal it appeared in, publishers, publication dates, pages and a host of other features. There are also various help tools, including a citation template form built into the wiki-text editing form that will turn citation construction into a form filling exercise! So there should be no need for you to add extra words between the reference tags that lie outside the citation template if you use the appropriate template parameters. That you need to do this suggests to me that you are trying too hard to get things right, but things are going wrong as a result. Make it easier for yourself and let the templates you are already using do the hard work. Read the template documentation to find parameters suitable for everything you want to appear in each citation. I recommend you start by reading the template documentation for Cite web and Cite news to become familiar with the most common parameters that you can use. It can be overwhelming at first, but after a few attempts you should become familiar with the most common parameters to use. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I was just writing on your talk page. I appreciate the feedback and like the tips you shared. Certainly, i will work on the citations and check out the style your recommended as well. I hope you will consider adjusting the rating once the citation issue is fixed. Please let me know if you have any other concerns as well. My intention is to genuinely improve the quality. Thank you! Petra0922 (talk) 12:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Just to add, the extra texts you have seen in many of my citations were inspired by the merging tips Help:Citation merging. I was trying to reduce issue of reference "overkill'- I believe this happens when there are multiple inline citations are added. In the very top example at merging/help page, they seem to use extra texts to help differentiate one reference from the other. If there is a way to combine this tip with the Style 1 you suggested, that would be great. Please let me know what you think. Thank you! Petra0922 (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I have been working through the bare URL and Citation style inconsistencies in the past couple of days. I would still need to include more references to add more clarity to the Table but I thought I would check with you, if the Citation cleaning and the other edits done, seems reasonable to you (?) In the process of editing, i was appreciating your feedback. It is helping me as an editor and the article as well. Thank you for that! I like to acknowledge the great helps other editors provided especially those helped on cleaning disambiguation templates. Petra0922 (talk) 10:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I belatedly saw the good news :-) Well done. I just use the oldstyle text smileys, but a bunch of the fancy ones can be found here, here's a template for face emoji, and here's a Commons gallery (with link to a humongous gallery]]. As to citation templates, people evolve different methods of working with them; I don't know whether ytou're copying and pasting blanks from the list, or using a tool, or what. But since it sounds as if you may be typing in parameters and info manually, here's something I learned: most parameters that work in one template also work in others. For example, I can use "type=" to put anything in parentheses that I want, such as noting that a news report includes a video, how long the video is, and whether it's subtitled (the parameter was intended for MS, PhD, and so on in the "cite thesis" template); I can use "orig-year=" to add (in brackets) the original publication date of a news report, when it's been updated (the parameter was intended for books, which is why "year"). You don't need to fill out all the parameters, but sometimes there's a useful one available, it's just not in the blank for that particular type of citation. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Yngvadottir (talk) . Currently, the Amhara genocide article is nominated for deletion. Since you are familiar about the article, I thought you would be interested to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Petra0922 (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you very much! II like the clap and thank you emojis but i haven't seen people using them so far. I think i will just use words instead:).

You have been awesome giving me all the helpful advices. About using tools, I think i need to find out if some of them are accessible (if wikipedia has free reference tools and if they are user friendly....). Initially, i used the "Cite, General" option in the Editor and I think that may be the cause of the inconsistent style. You are correct about the manual approach. I was trying to get familiarized about the components of a reference so I ended up adding information manually. I like that you also noticed the "type=" details are missing for Thesis. I introduced those in some of the earlier versions and realized that they were modified by another editor with "|degree=". I think, I like to go back with "|type=" since that was the original Thesis template I worked with, and now confirming it is ok to continue using that. I like to exercise and apply your other tips as well. i appreciate you for kindly sharing them. You are awesome!!

Just adding, I got a message from the Editor (Cameron Dewe) that he upgraded the article form C to B. This is where i need the clap emoji :). Thank you again! Petra0922 (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Yay, that's awesome! Hardly any of my articles are B-level! Yngvadottir (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

You are so humble and kind. Thank you for the encouragement! Petra0922 (talk) 01:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Just a further note of encouragement. I have - now - reassessed the B-class questions for the WikiProject Crime banner and they have all been answered as Yes. This means I have updated/reinstated the article to B-class. Keep up the good work, as the Amhara genocide article has the makings of a Good article. But that means a review by multiple editors who are more expert in reviewing articles than I am. Some things to consider, that I have let pass my mostly technical assessment, which are more a matter of style and editor opinion. There are instances where some of the bundled citations include duplicate instances of the same cited document. I am not a fan of bundling citations for that reason, but others may have a different opinion. Also, I think the lead section could be shorter or less detailed, but that is my personal opinion. In some respects, "Less is More" in the case of a lead section. The fact that this article's lead section is citation heavy suggests to me that the lead might be too long and detailed and not really a quick summary of the full article. The fact that citations are present in the lead suggests to me that there is stuff said in the lead that really should be expanded upon in the body of the article, instead, and then summarized without citations in the lead section. Unfortunately, all I know about this conflict is what is in the article, so I cannot, realistically, say if the article is either too detailed or does not cover all aspects of the subject in adequate detail. That requires someone else, with far greater knowledge of the subject, to assess the article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Cameron Dewe (talk). Currently, the Amhara genocide article is nominated for deletion. Since you are familiar about the article, I thought you would be interested to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Petra0922 (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

This is really good news! Thank you very much for your kind encouragement and also for your grace in developing new editors- equipping me with tools and examples. Even if my experience is short, I found you and the other awesome editors resourceful and super helpful! This kind of coaching and support is exactly what I need.

Your technical assessment is so valuable. I agree about the bundled references. I think it may be coming from a couple of reasons. I believe, my initial interpretation of "backing claims" was more like, I need to provide as many references as possible, and at the same time, I was trying to support the details of events mentioned in the article to limit a very common struggle around Genocide denials. There was also another personal habit that I got used to, in my scientific publishing world that may not be entirely applicable to this platform. Your points make sense to me now. It will help me in the next steps that I am planning to work on - as you kindly explained, to expand the body of the article while adjusting the reference ratio, in the body versus the leading sections. I strongly believe that the list highlighted under “Alleged crimes" can potentially be explained further. I have some ideas about this.

You gave me a really great thing to think about. With my plan to improve the article, please I would appreciate your continuous feedback and would like to ask for your unreserved support whenever possible, as you kindly have done in the past week. Thanking you again for your support! Petra0922 (talk) 03:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Amhara genocide for deletion

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Ue3lman (talk) 05:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Nominator lacks experience on Human Rights cases. No solid justification

Ue3lman (talk). I came to learn about your interest in articles related to the Horn of Africa in which, to some of them already "discretionary sanctions" have been imposed. This applied to the Amhara genocide article as well. The crimes of Genocide cannot be declared or denied by individuals. Please state your justifications for this bold statement you have made. Amnesty International or Human rights watch or other non-profit global organizations provide reports on various rights violations in most cases with some questions of bias for what experts call “marginalized” cases. But this differs from case to case. It is important to note these guidelines when discussing Genocide, Crimes against Humanity, War Crimes, and Crimes of aggression are based on international human rights laws: 1) The United Nations Genocide Convention of Article 4 and others that clearly state the elements of Genocide, and 2) Articles 6, 7, 8 of the ICC (the ROME Statute or International Criminal Court). These are the regulated bodies that determine Genocide and pass decisions for accountability measures whenever applied. The Amhara genocide article provides thorough references after almost major statements. Please note that the crimes listed in this article (element of Genocide) are backed by various sources (local reports, international reports including the UN and others, Embassy reports, interviews, field data from grass-root organizations, and the like..). When it comes to human rights cases or articles, it is natural for various parties or generally people of various interpretations of crimes to get involved, i.e. victims, perpetrators, or parties of opposing sides. I suggest independent editors investigate the impartiality of the editor who nominated this article for deletion. From my assessment, the editor doesn’t seem to demonstrate a solid track record of editing or producing content on the subject (human rights articles). My review of the editor's contributions certainly shows general interest in the HORN with specific engagement with certain ethnic groups. I would like to remind editors that the case in Ethiopia is based on internal ethnic conflicts. Therefore, it is important for others to take impartiality into consideration. Petra0922 (talk) 06:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

AfDs

I don't want to clutter up the AfD to answer your questions. Except in rare early closures, AfDs remain open for at least one week. If at the end of a week, there's a clear consensus for Keep or Delete, it will close. If not, it's usually relisted to to get a clearer picture of what the community thinks. Hope that helps.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

This helps. Thank you Bbb23!Petra0922 (talk) 00:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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Misleading edit summaries

Two of your recent edits, at Indigenous Australians and Second Nagorno-Karabakh War, remove significant amounts of sourced material with highly misleading edit summaries. Do you have an explanation for why you did this? _signed, Rosguill 02:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

What just happened? I only made grammatical edits. It must have been some kind of error when exiting. Let me check. Petra0922 (talk) 03:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed the error. Thank you for letting me know. Petra0922 (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

All good, it happens sometimes. Checking the preview before publishing is a good habit to build. _signed, Rosguill 03:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you. Petra0922 (talk) 03:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Tigray War-related edits

I can't help but notice that you seem intent on adding "See also" links to Amhara genocide on Tigray War related articles that don't actually have to do with the killings, persecution or genocide of Amharas. Linking to the article is fine when it's appropriate, but the Axum massacre, Kola Tembien February 2021 massacres and Hagere Selam massacres are all articles specifically about killings of Tigrayans. I'm unsure about why this choice was made, but it would be best to link Amhara genocide to articles that more closely relate to the topic (for example: Kobo massacre and Chenna massacre, which don't link to Amhara genocide, despite them being massacres of Amhara that happened in the Amhara Region). Thanks. XTheBedrockX (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@XTheBedrockX. I am not sure about your questions. The commonly called Tigray war is formally known as the Northern Ethiopia war in which the Tigray forces reportedly committed a series of war crimes against Afar and Amhara— over twenty massacres committed in both regions by the TPLF forces. These massacres are listed in the Amhara genocide, and including this article related to the war should give context. As it reads right now, the articles you listed with the alleged Tigray massacres are conveying only one side of the story, i.e. Tigray is the only victim. Petra0922 (talk) 05:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Well for a start, I just gave you 2 examples of massacres that targeted non-Tigrayans. And no one worth their salt is saying Tigray or Tigrayan civilians are the only victims of this war. The TPLF has committed many atrocities during this war. But the TPLF committing crimes against non-Tigrayans is not a justification or a reasonable explanation for crimes being committed against Tigrayans in return. XTheBedrockX (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

@XTheBedrockX. I see it in two ways: 1) My understanding of the "See also" section is that it is used to provide information on related events which is the case in all the massacres that occurred in Northern Ethiopia since 2020, 2) I noticed in most of the Tigray articles or templates, other victims are excluded. I don't understand why this consistently happens especially when it is well-known that the war is a multi-party conflict. In the same way, as the Hutu & Tutsi stories are told in parallel, it is only fair to at least, capture the cases of both Tigray and opposite participants in the See also section.Petra0922 (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I get what you mean here. But also, let me put it this way (just as an example): if someone placed "See also" links to massacres of Tigrayans on a number of articles (even small ones) about massacres of Amharas, is that something you would see as understandable? Or would you have a problem with that? XTheBedrockX (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

You keep reverting the edits in the Tigray conflict template and similar articles. Other editors need to improve Misplaced Pages content when especially massive and aggressive POV push is applied broadly.Petra0922 (talk) 06:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I will politely ask again: how would you react to the kind of situation I described above? XTheBedrockX (talk) 06:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Letting you know that I sent a request for a third opinion to see if it can help resolve this disagreement. XTheBedrockX (talk) 21:36, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Got it. The issue in some of the articles in discussion is not only the "See also" section. This may be an opportunity to also discuss ways of reducing the generalized demonization of a group of people, and questions related to the sources used. Petra0922 (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Responding to the third opinion request. At a first pass, i would say that links to Amhara genocide in the "see also" sections listed above are generally inappropriate due to the fact that the Tigray conflict template contains that link and "see also" sections should not duplicate links found elsewhere in the article. Bonewah (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

@Bonewah Thank you for looking into the disagreement. The issue with the Tigray conflict template is not only related to "See also." It consists of other misinforming content and when modification is done the editor kept reverting it. Let me add further clarification to provide details for proper evaluation of the dispute that we started discussing since the issue is a little bit deeper:

1. I believe, the See also question that @XTheBedrockX brought up is for the articles in the Axum massacre, and other related articles where the Amhara genocide article and other massacres in Ethiopia are added. Could you please see the justification that I provided below? I can remove the Gimbi massacre, and Metekel conflict if it is necessary to narrow the reference to a certain conflict although both occurred in parallel to the Tigray conflict in the same country around the same time.
2. Could you also look into the Template: Tigray conflict? The reason why I strongly believe that the “Amhara genocide” link belongs in the template as part of the “war crimes” is that the article provides a crucial and greater list of mass murders that occurred during the “Tigray war,” (i.e. more than three), and currently missing in the template. See Amhara genocide § Partial list of massacres in the Amhara region by Tigray forces. The addition of this article is serving as a “one-stop” reference where readers can find the missing list from the template. In addition, the way the “as-is” template that @XTheBedrockX wants to keep diminishes the magnitude of the damage done to the people of the opposing sides in the conflict, among the other quality and neutrality issues it reflects. The Amhara massacres occurred in more than three places. The Amhara region was under shelling and attacked by the Tigray forces for the whole length of two years, and the template needs to reflect the extent, at least to some level. If there were more references/articles exist for the Amhara & Afar people, then it makes sense to remove the Amhara genocide article.
3. Another dispute related to naming in the template is not addressed. The deliberate description of Fano as "Amharan" is inaccurate. To begin with, there is no such thing as Amharan. If we take it positively the remote implication of the term leads us to the Amhara people, which is wrong. The correct description for Fano used by the member of the Amhara community is the “Amhara Resistance Force.” When this edit was made, @XTheBedrockX kept reverting it.
4. The other quality issue the template reflects as of right now is that it conveys the victim in the conflict as one group (Tigray). But the fact is that there are more victims and more massacres. That is why the Tigray conflict is formally described as the Northern Ethiopia war/situation ( and that involved three regions (Afar + Amhara + Tigray). Although it can be discussed under a separate move request, I thought it would help to give a little detail on the complex multi-ethnic conflict.

Hope these details shade some light on the issue, that is the disagreement is a little bit dipper than “See also.” That is why I added the POV tag to help start discussing and ultimately addressing the Neutrality and overall quality issues within the Template: Tigray conflict. Petra0922 (talk) 18:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality

You are adding a long list of massacres committed in Amhara by Tigrayan forces. None of these events have their own Misplaced Pages article, and you are using as a source a website named AmharaAmerica.org, whose neutrality is questionable, at best. If such events occurred, there should be better, more neutral reporting on the matters. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 22:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Who do you suggest to report on the events on the ground when international sources are prevented from accessing massacre locations? Legally responsible, Non-profit grass-root data becomes crucial for reporting violations in such series cases, and when access is restricted. The report is based on field data and evidence can be confirmed. On the contrary, I haven't seen you bringing up similar questions for the Tigray case in which circumstance the Western media were using the TPLF itself (the invading force), the Tigray diaspora, and self-published TPLF advocates that their names can be listed, as their major information sources. I am asking this question because I discovered a multi Misplaced Pages account holder who is switching between accounts to write advocacy articles for Tigray and provide destructive edits using another account on Amhara and Eritrea. This became problematic for other opposing articles to exist. As an experienced editor, you may have an answer for me as to how we could verify which editors are providing unbiased edits? At this point that is the key problem, nobody seems to help us solve. Petra0922 (talk) 23:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, other sources are being added. Please don't revert the edits i am making- work is in progress. In a multi-ethnic conflict such differences are expected so please any series issues, my suggestions is to preferably identify Neutral and Experienced other editors. Petra0922 (talk) 23:30, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Proper way to insert images in infoboxes

Hello @Petra0922. I am @Archer1234. I noticed your recent edit to Crocodile Armoured Personnel Carrier where you added an image to the infobox. I want to let you know that the way you added the image was not done according to Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style (see WP:INFOBOXIMAGE).

When adding an image to an infobox, thumbnails should NOT be used. Simply supplying the file name will work. For example, to use File:Image PlaceHolder.png, you can simply use |image=Image PlaceHolder.png. Captions should be specified with the |caption= parameter. Every infobox is different and the documentation for the infobox in question should be consulted for the proper parameters to match the image and caption.

To fix

Do not use the full image syntax:

|image=]

Instead, just supply the name of the image. So, in this case you can simply do:

|image=SomeImage.jpg

and optionally:

|caption=Some image caption.

Hopefully you will find this information useful for your future editing. If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask. — Archer1234 (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

This is great! Let me modify it. Thank you for sharing. Petra0922 (talk) 03:33, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Internet jargon

AFAIK means "as far as I know" (and "AFAI can" = "as far as I" can). @Pincrete: - it's not always easy to judge who is likely to know internet acronyms or not ... Boud (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I see. I thought it is some kind of page or process. Thanks. Petra0922 (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

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Minor edits (e.g. to fix syntax errors) of your own comments on a talk page are generally accepted, and the case of the vertical bar | in one of your URLs is a case where nobody should complain if you remove it. The URL https://freedomofconscience.eu/hrc-51st-session-about-the-18-june-2022-mass-massacres-of-amharas-at-gimbi-western-part-of-ethiopia/%7C is wrong with the vertical bar at the end; the user has to remove this before being able to access the real page. I suggest that you remove the "|". It's also a good idea to check your URLs during a preview, before clicking on save. URLs are a key element of evidence (or, at least, a chain of hyperlinked text that appears to be evidence) on the internet. Boud (talk) 23:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Much better. Thank you! I think i fixed the syntax issues in the RM discussion now but i will double check. I appreciate it. Petra0922 (talk) 00:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

No personal attacks, please

In this edit, you wrote This discussion weighs more towards defending TPlF rather than Verifiability of sources under my comment.

While the wording does not accuse me personally (it satisfies WP:CIVIL), it does appear to refer to my reasoning, and the meaning seems to me to rather be a personal attack, which is not acceptable on Misplaced Pages.

Having edited on Ethiopia topics on Misplaced Pages since November 2020, I do have some indirect knowledge of the TPLF (via multiple sources). I'm not going to make any overall value judgment of the TPLF, since I'm unlikely to edit the article (this is a prediction, not a promise).

My personal guess is that in the coming decade or so, careful academic study based on chains of evidence, careful documentation and peer-reviewed, proofread research and intense academic criticism and scepticism, possibly together with a transitional justice process in Ethiopia, has a fair chance of leading to the TPLF being attributed responsibility (by WP:RS) for crimes against humanity against Amharas during its 27 years of rule, or possibly genocide. I also expect that many other events of the past few decades and the past two years in Ethiopia may be considered as crimes against humanity, and at least one case genocide, by the majority of the WP:RS in 5 or 10 or 20 years' time. But these are only my personal speculations; they are irrelevant to the title debate.

You state on your user page that you have a PhD. So you should understand that personal attacks don't help in either academic research itself or in encyclopedic reviews of knowledge about the world. See also WP:AGF, which is a standard principle of academic enquiry. Boud (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

We are engaged in a contentious discussion and opposing views shouldn't be taken as personal attacks. I am already aware about WP:AGF and your comment on Ph.D is totally unrelated to what we have here, and unnecessary. Petra0922 (talk) 17:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Your comment appears to claim that I was defending the TPLF. That is not an "opposing view"; that is an interpretation of my motivations for presenting evidence and arguments for the title change. The title debate is not about whether the massacres of Amharas should be attributed to the TPLF. Arguments for/against the title are independent of which individuals and/or institutions the massacres or possibly genocide should be attributed to. Since it does appear likely, based on the sources, that the TPLF holds a fair degree of responsibility for the massacres, claiming that someone or some people are defending the TPLF is claiming that that person/people are defending an organisation responsible for massacres, possibly genocide. That's a personal attack.It is you who placed a PhD userbox on your user page, which suggests that you want people to know this about you; however, I'm happy to avoid mentioning it further, since that's what you prefer. Boud (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

As I mentioned in this talk page about my question on WP:COI, I believe, there is a process for that to help with such controversies. Petra0922 (talk) 13:55, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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	Kombolcha massacre is an excellent page. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 05:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@BoyTheKingCanDance I appreciate the Barnstar and the encouragement! Thank you! Petra0922 (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Bakhytzhan Toregozhina is a very good article. Well done! BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 04:57, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I appreciate you for reviewing it as well!! Petra0922 (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Bare urls

Hi there, you've added bare url templates to the pages which have no such references. So please read the related page before tagging them. Egeymi (talk) 03:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Egeymi I can manually update but I was referring to some of its incomplete citations like this one. (Afghanistan: The Soviet Invasion and the Afghan Response, 1979-1982 by Mohammed Kakar). Petra0922 (talk) 21:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Talkback

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Amhara people

Hello Petra, you say the majority of emperors of this dynasty were Amharas. Isn't it more accurate to say "all the emperors (except yohannes)"? Or are there emperors who weren't? Ras mekonnen4334 (talk) 08:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Ras mekonnen4334. Thank you. You brought up a good point that may require further discussion. My question here is how are we treating the era of Zemene Mesafint that involved Mikael Sehul of Tigray (I know he wasn’t an Emperor), as an example. What is your take on non-dynastic description of some of the rulers in this article? What we need is sources that verify their bloodline, and mention that they were Amhara or the provinces they ruled. I know the latter may be tricky since Yohannes IV ruled parts of Amhara and Amhara emperors/Ras also ruled Tigray.Petra0922 (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ras mekonnen4334, I noticed you went ahead and made changes without reaching consencus on the topic of "all the Ethiopian rulers except Yohannes IV were Amhara" using an "isolated" source. Could you please respond to the above questions and provide related source to back the claim? Petra0922 (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Petra. There is a confusion, I am not talking about the rulers of Ethiopia but only the emperors of the Solomonic dynasty. Obviously that during the Zemen mesafint the emperor did not really reign and that the country was in the hands of the ras. There is a nuance all the emperors of the solomonic dynasty were Amharas (except Yohannes) but all the leaders of Ethiopia were not (Mikael sehul or the Yejju family) And sorry to have taken the time to answer I was immersed in revisions Ras mekonnen4334 (talk) 13:47, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ras mekonnen4334. I see your point. It will be good to add more sources to back this point. You may be aware that the ethnicity of Emperor Haile Selassie as Amhara is debated.Petra0922 (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know about Haile Selassie. On the other hand there is debate for his father because some think that he is half Oromo, but reading Teferi's autobiography nothing suggests it. Ras mekonnen4334 (talk) 16:44, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

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