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== November 2014 == |
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==Kurabie== |
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| text = '''''This account has been ] indefinitely''''' as a ] that was created to violate Misplaced Pages policy. Note that multiple accounts are ], but using them for ] reasons '''is not''', and that all edits made while evading a block or ban ]. If this account is not a sock puppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may ] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on the page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include "tlx|". -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. However, you should read the ] first. ] (]) 20:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)<!-- Template:uw-sockblock -->}} |
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E4024, in Greek, kurabiye is spelled κουραμπιές, that is, ''kourampies'' (not ''kouramphies'') and pronounced /kura'bjes/. The digraph μπ (mp) is the standard way to render the 'b' sound, as the letter β is pronounced 'v'. The plural is κουραμπιέδες ''kourampiedhes'', pronounced /kura'bjeðes/. Why do you ask? |
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Yes, there are many people on Misplaced Pages who seem to be pushing their own national/ethnic group. I suspect that this is partly out of an excess of pride (chauvinism), and partly simply that they are familiar with one side of the story, but not others. Unfortunately, the educational systems of many countries do not present a very balanced or complete view of history. --] (]) 23:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC) |
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: No special reason to ask kurabiye, I simply saw it somewhere (for the first time) and thought you could know. As regards the educational system, I agree with you. I worked -many years ago- on an official project of reviewing school books (and eliminating hostile talk) mutually with some neigbouring countries of Turkey. Specifically two were not very welcoming; one returned us the books we sent them because there were pictures of females in "unislamic" dress and another (Greece) did not respond favourably to the idea, for reasons they never specified. Armenia was not independent then and we did not contact the "Republic of Cyprus". |
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I wrote to you because I know I can learn a lot about my own country, Turkey, from '''some''' Greeks. You look like a person with whom I could talk... |
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All the best. --] (]) 23:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::E4024, thanks for your note. I seem to remember there was a joint Greek-Turkish study of the presentation of history in schoolbooks some years ago. I was sure I'd find it in the bibliography of Yannis Hamilakis's "'Learn History!': Antiquity, National Narrative, and History in Greek Educational Textbooks", in ''The Usable Past: Greek Metahistories'', but that article focuses more on ancient history than medieval/modern. '''' looks like an interesting collection, too. |
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::I look forward to working with you collaboratively on Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== Selam == |
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Gecmis olsun. Her iste bir hayir vardir. Ister misin simdi de "Ingilizce Vikide Türkce konusmaktan" engellenelim... Sevgiler. --] (]) 21:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:Selam. Teşekkürler. Normalde olsa güler geçerdim ama..:) Bir mail atmıştım, seninkine cevaben, aldın mı acaba? Bir de bizim konu tartışılmaktadır, ister Türkçe ister İngilizce fikir belirtebilirsin, istersen. İyi günler.--] (]) 10:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Aldim, aldim. --] (]) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== Custom wikilove == |
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''Nice work''' |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Test to see if this works ]] 18:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:I'm sorry to hear that most of what you've received from admins is warnings and blocks. Not an environment conclusive to what we want to accomplish. As you guessed, my post was dual purpose - I saw your post to Dougweller, and thought it shouldn't be hard to do that, so part of the purpose was to show you how to do it. If it still isn't clear, go to Doug's page, click on the heart next to View History, then on "make your own, use Turkish dolma.JPG (or some other option in ), and fill in the rest. |
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:However, I did take a glance at your contributions, to ensure that my message "Nice work" would be accurate, so it is partly aimed at you. |
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:I did have some dolma when I was in Turkey, (although I confess I tried yogurt soup and it wasn't my favorite). I haven't seen much of your country outside of Istanbul, but I was humbled by the incredible history of that city. I live in a place where we get excited about things a couple hundred years old, and in Istanbul I visited the mosque built in 1597 which you call the New Mosque.]] 19:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. Next time try a ] then... :-) --] (]) 06:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC) |
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==Dolma and sarma== |
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Understood. I've tried to reword the material about sarma and dolma -- take a look and see what you think. --] (]) 21:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:Saw it, thank you. That was not the most important issue in WP but it is kind of you to consider my view. That is enough for me... All the best. --] (]) 21:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:: Hurried a bit. (I was talking about smt previous.) "Yaprak sarma" is '''not used for cabbage''' leaves, that one is "Lahana (a Greek-origin word) sarma". "Yaprak (leaf) is used only for vine leaves. The other leaves are always specified. Never mind though... --] (]) 21:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== RE: Dessert (pospasto) de cara tostada == |
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Çok teşekkür ederim! I accept gladly this sütlaç, which moreover is the favorite dessert of my wife. :-) Personally I prefer the Baklavas from Güllüoğlu, still better if kaymaklı :-) BTW, I don't know for sure whether they originate from Greece or Turkey, but for sure I know that the Turkish ones are the best in the world! Sevgiler, ] (]) 12:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Why didn't you tell me you understand Turkish? (I think your wife is Turkish, right? Tell her we have the same favourite in desserts and add my regards. Trying to write something in Italian I began in English, continued in Portugese and ended in Spanish! :-) --] (]) 12:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:Ben türk anlıyorum, aba çok zor (but, as I see, Italian is not that easy too :-)) Benim eşim istanbullu. I will tell her about your preference, she will be happy since we always fight about dessert (we reach actually a compromise ordering Künefe :-)). Actually, as I know Turks, most of them prefer Suvlaç to Baklava (but maybe only because they are on diet :-) ). ] (]) 12:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::No comment on the diet issue. Now I understand why your wife beats you... :-) --] (]) 14:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== Some Clarifications on Baklava == |
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In Turkey, Baklava is made generally with the following fillings: Ceviz (Walnut), Antepfistigi (Pistacho) or "'''Kaymak'''". In the Black Sea region Hazelnut is also widely used instead of the above mentioned other filling nuts. Baklava can be eaten simple, just as it comes but the tradition is eating them either with Ice-cream (Dondurma) or ] on top. The choice is generally not between the two toppings but depends on the time of the year: Summer is for Ice-cream and Winter for ]. (Spring and Fall depends on the temperature. :-) The same topping choices are valid when eating Kadayif, although many prefer to top it with only chopped walnuts. |
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Now we come to the specialised part: The "]" we put on top of a serving of, say, Walnut Baklava(s) is not the same "'''Kaymak'''" which is the filling material of one type or sort of Baklava(s). This last "'''Kaymak'''" is a filling paste based on a vanilla, milk and other whatsoever mixture. |
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As regards the "]" on top, which is a milk cream variety, the Turkish KAYMAK (especially made from water buffalo milk) is a "delicacy" all by itself. Has nothing to do with the pic at the ] article in WP. --] (]) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:Interesting, I did not know about Kaymak as filling. In Karaköy they have also Baklava with chocolate, but I always refused to eat them, I think is an abomination. :-) About Kaymak, agree 100%. When I am in Istanbul, I often go to a small shop in ], more than 100 years old, that delivers Kaymak to the best restaurants in Istanbul, and have there Bal Kaymak... Paradise :-) ] (]) 05:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC) |
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In Istanbul there are a few ] paradises, one of them is between ] and ]. The real ] paradise is ] though. You should visit the '''İkbal Restaurant''' (not the huge road-side Panayır/funfair of fast food with the same name, the traditional restaurant in the town center) and after enjoying some authentic Turkish food (in this restaurant they only serve veal, no mutton, and they also beat people who dare use the word "kebap" :-) please give yourself a treat of ''']lı Ekmek Kadayıfı'''. If you still not have cholesterol, diabetes and/or weight problems you will repeat the huge portion and will forget the dessert that you now like. (What was it called, Baklava, Baklawa, Pakhlava? :-) |
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As regards avantgarde Turkish dessert options, IMO, ''Chocolate Baklava'' is not a less futuristic fantasy than the "''Hamsili Baklava''" that they invented in the Black Sea region. Although I am more compromising on "'''Vişneli Ekmek Kadayıfı'''" (How to translate this for God's sake? :-) introduced by İkbal -the franchise option- but also served by the conventional restaurant in Afyon. --] (]) 09:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== Braga == |
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I’m writing this on the coast near Braga. --MRothwell 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Enjoy it. Nice place. Eat a ] for this scribe, please... --] (]) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::with ]. BTW I don't understand why my previous comment appeared as "unsigned" - I placed 4 ~s after it. --MRothwell 23:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Cheers. Why don't you use the "signature thing", up, at the leftside when editing: Just after the Bold B, Italic I and something like a mini-screen, there it is, before the chain (link) sign. (Couldn't be better expressed by a non-native speaker... :-) --] (]) 23:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::And some grilled sardines. Actually I did just that for my second comment, and in the preview and straight after saving the edit, it was fine, but only for a while...--MRothwell 00:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->s |
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::It's the SineBot at work! Perhaps it hasn't yet got used to the signature change from Mrothwell to MRothwell.--MRothwell 00:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Couldn't be without sardines in Portugal! (What a coincidence, I ate sardines before pasta at lunch yesterday. :-) Sorry pal, I know more about soup, fish and wine than all those gadgets... --] (]) 06:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC) |
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== Stub gotcha! == |
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] says: |
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:If the English article does not yet exist, you can create the article on English Misplaced Pages as a '''stub''' article, explaining or defining the subject of the article in a sentence or two; then immediately tag your stub article with a '''translation template'''. |
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but ] says: |
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:no article should contain both a '''stub template''' and an '''expand template''' |
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But isn't a translation template a kind of expand template? That leaves me a bit confused :( --MRothwell 17:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Let me recommend you some experienced users who are always willing to help with those things: Richwales, Dougweller, David1217, ItsZippy, Bobrayner, Benzband, Newyorkbrad, Ryan Vesey and many more... (Every time you need help go to one other, like me, so no one will feel you prefer the other. :-) --] (]) 18:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, I'll bug one of these guys. --MRothwell 23:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC) |
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== RE:Mamma mia == |
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Hallo E4024<br/> |
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thanks for your mail! I know the situation in Georgia: threats (and invasion, as in Ossetia), are just part of russian politics, and a (rough) way to gain influence. :-) someone told that war is the continuation of Politics with other instruments. <br/> |
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About the new gas pipeline, I read just yesterday on the NZZ. But this does not mean much. Italy built a giant pipeline wit Algeria 20 years ago, but this did not bring Algeria under the Italian sphere of influence. What I am meaning, one thing is doing business, another thing is exercising power (as does for example France in central Africa), or the USA in Afghanistan. BTW, yesterday I also read that the probable new president of Georgia will be a billionaire emigrated in Russia. :-) |
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About Turkey, I got a lot of info about Turkey from , which is very well done, and is the italian twin of Foreign Affairs. They issued a special number about Turkey ("The Sultan's comeback) end of 2010, but there are often articles about it. |
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About your visit to Italy, if you need some hints please ask me! I don't want that my fellow Italians poison you...Anyway, remember that we cook pasta ''al dente''. :-) Ciao, ] (]) 09:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:In my home too; and not only pasta... --] (]) 09:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::I will confess you something: since I go to Turkey, I never had fish in Italy :-) I eat all the rest, but Balık only in Turkey, better if cooked directly by our Balıkci, on wood coal (I hate boiled fish). ] (]) 11:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:::P.S. If you want to know where to eat ], :-) you must activate "Email this user" under Toolbox. ] (]) 14:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:I doubt I would ever eat that but I made the e-mail preference change... --] (]) 14:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC) |
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== Yeni Madde == |
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Yoksa kategori mi? Bence "madde" olabilecek malzeme var. Öncelikle Karadeniz Ek. İşb. Teşk. (])i alıyorsun. Sonra ]. Bir de ] ekledin mi yeme de yanında yat. Sonra ] maddesine bakıyorsun. Orada merkezi bizde olan 3 uluslararası kuruluş var. 2si Subsidiary Organisations biri de Affiliated Institutions bölümünde. Böylece, ] ile birlikte tam 7 örgüt oldu. (Biraz ararsak daha da buluruz belki. Ayrıca ileride "eskiden merkezi bizde olanlar" bilgisini ekleriz, ] gibi...) Şimdilik yeterli malzeme bunlar. Sen hepsini biraraya getirip (wikilinkleri filan ile) bir taslak madde yapıverirsen ben de tepesine giriş cümlelerini yazarım; hızla ortaya çıkar. Birkaç günde ilk ortak maddemizi sürmüş oluruz piyasaya... :-) Selam-sevgi. --] (]) 11:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Kabaca ] bir şey yapmaya çalıştım İstanbul için. Başka ne sütunu eklenebilir bilemedim, sana bırakıyorum. Notlar kısmına ise genel sekreterlik mi İstanbul'da, başka bir şeyi mi İstanbul'da gibisinden notlar eklenebilir.--] (]) 14:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::Eline saglik, cok güzel. Sana yaziyorum diye kum kutunda oynamisim. Belki internet sitelerini filan da eklesek iyi bir baslangic olur. Sonra herkes birseyler ekler... --] (]) 14:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:::]. Uygun görüyorsan "List of international organizations based in İstanbul" ismiyle açabilirsin.--] (]) 18:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Harika olmus; ama sen acmalisin. Söz, ilk editi ben yaparim; alaturkada oldugu gibi... :-) --] (]) 19:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC) |
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::Türkiye bana pek mantıklı gelmedi, ondan İstanbul yaptım. ABD için, İsviçre için yapılsa mesela aşırı uzun olacağından şehirlere ayrılması istenecektir muhtemelen. Bunlara paralel olarak da İstanbul olması yerinde olacaktır. Ama dersen ki Türkiye yapalım, o ikisini de ekleriz, sıkıntı olmaz benim için :)--] (]) 08:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC) |
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* ], bir-iki yeni kategori de oluşturdum konuyla ilgili olarak. Çalışma var şablonunu bıraktım, ekleme ve düzenleme yapabilirsin. Hayırlı olsun.--] (]) 10:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC) |
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: Thank you very much. --] (]) 15:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Hellim == |
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Hi! This is seksen not bothering to log in. Looking at the history of that page you've mentioned, I can see nothing lost. No, I don't currently check my talk page. I actually found myself here while I was looking at the AEL Limassol page after they were drawn in the same group as Fenerbahçe (though I'm not a Fenerbahçe fan). But still, should you need anything from Cyprus, you can write it at my talk page, as presumably at some indefinite point in the future, I'll be looking at that page again - but I don't advise urgent requests :) Just to clarify, with "anything from Cyprus", I do not mean, "oh, seksen, could you please send some halloumi from Cyprus?", but stuff like photos, data, brief information, links, etc. --] (]) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the offer. Recently a friend brought me so much that I almost got bored of eating it (fried, at breakfast) but until you send me some I will again have appetite for Hellim. All the best. --] (]) 15:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC) |
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==5 reverts in Occupation of Smyrna== |
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You have 5 reverts in this article in less than 12h, which isn't cool no matter the reason. Although I'm not used to report people, I'm sorry but this turns to become very clear that discussion is fruitless. Please read ]. See ]] (]) 22:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:I am cool enough. My last edit was correcting your spelling mistake in the "cradle of Greek civilization" phrase. I am not "hostile" against anyone and believe knowledge is for sharing. This is why I am trying to teach you a simple thing about how international treaties are "made". If you have questions regarding this legal procedure do not hesitate to ask me. All the best. --] (]) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Cool gentleman with a sense of humour== |
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I really am a cool person. Above above (2 stages) a user tells me I have made a wrong citation and I simply reply to him (or her) "if you say so" although I had nothing to do with the said citation. (Indeed I only added nationality to the name of a folk singer there.) Why discuss on these details? I am a cool guy... :-) --] (]) 21:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Werldwayd== |
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Thanks for your reminder and interest. Actually I wanted to keep "werldwayd" intact as that is my user name in "traditional spelling" (TS). But of course you are right. Since I used "wərldwαyd" in the title, I should use it in the phonetic version as well. Now I've changed it to wərldwαyd as well. You also must have noticed by now that for the sound @ as in "at", "flat", "cat" etc I use another form of "a" which is "ɑ" as different from "α" for the alpha like in "far", "car" etc... I don't like the "a" we have as practically nobody writes it as such in written form anyway. It is just a printed letter that we almost never write that way in handwriting... Some more improvements. Just drop the ph in favour of f as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı etc ... use the z when its pronounced z like in kıdz, armz, legz, but leave the s when it is pronounced as such, like in kɑts, deyts, pαrts as for y it is always a consonant and never a vowel. When a vowel, use ı as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı So when we want to write fly or cry, I write it as flαy krαy (thus avoiding the vowel y and avoiding the confusion of how it should be spelt in words) and by the way just drop the x and use ks instead. For example instead of text, sex and mix, use the phonetic tekst, seks, mıks LOL ] (]) 12:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Let me warn you that you are about to begin learning Turkish, a language that is very lucky to have a (or "one") letter for every sound and only one sound for each letter, although the language itself is not considered an easy one to learn, BTW. When I see your personal alphabet of English I remember Turkish children writing the same way in their notebooks the pronunciation of the foreign language, in their own (Turkish) alphabet... All the best. --] (]) 12:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::It is a good way to learn pronunciation... But there are very phonetic languages in their general design, like Tagalog and Swahili... BTW, I am Armenian and my parents originate from Turkey from a region we call Cilicia. I read and speak Turkish quite well actually. ] (]) 12:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Ne güzel! Öyleyse bundan böyle Türkçe sürdürelim yazışmayı. Selamlar...--] (]) 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:::: Aferim arkadaş Actually my parents come from Kahramanmaraş... But I'd rather continue in English LOL ] (]) 13:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Actually the reforms in Turkish were through an Armenian linguist called ] (Agop Martayan) that headed the Turkish Language Association. I like the Turkish use of ç which I use for ch / tch in English like children written as çıldrən, but then the inverted "ə" was introduced recently to Azeri language. But in the same way I like the z with ] for the zh sound as in vision and television which can be written with a z with the cedilla in similar fashion to ş and ç ] (]) 13:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::We do have the zh sound in Turkish, although always in words with a foreign origin like jandarma, Jale (proper name, fem.), jilet, jöle etc; it is represented with the letter j. On the other hand of course I know Turkish linguists of Armenian origin like Dilaçar, Tuğlacı, Nișanyan and others. Selamlar. --] (]) 14:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Of course it is distinct as you have the c for the dj sound, so j can be used for the Turkish zh sound. But in English this wouln't be possible as j has a different sound value anyhow, thus the need for z cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television or genre for example. ] (]) 18:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Occupation of Smyrna == |
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Selamlar. Attığın mail'deki resmi sen mi çekmiştin? Öyleyse senin yüklemen daha uygun olacaktır. Commons'a yüklersen Türkçe Vikipedi'de de kullanılır :)--] (]) 21:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Copyright konusunu iyi bilemedigim icin yardim istemistim. Neyse bosver, zaten o madde bastan yazilacak gibi görünüyor. Resmi daha sonra da ekleyebiliriz. Tesekkürler. --] (]) 22:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::..''it is '''preferred''' that you use English on English Misplaced Pages talk pages...'' demiş -ki ben de tercih etmiyorum :) Resme dönersek, olduğu gibi bir lisanslama/açıklama yapabilirsin.--] (]) 11:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Ben anlamaz. (Ay dont nowz... :-) --] (]) 11:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Speak English == |
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::For this and for the section above, please see ]. Thanks.--] (]) 00:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Admin Bbb23, thanks, I read it. The talk was about a help request concerning uploading a photo to the article in question, no big deal really. (As you may have noticed since you blocked two users for an edit war there has not been much activity on that article, instead quite some activity on its discussion page. I am happy about that; I paid the price but at the end some people came to discuss how to make better a badly-written article.) Returning to the "real" issue here, I noticed that you forgot to write to the user who initiated the talk in another language, so I took the liberty to remind them myself. All the best. --] (]) 08:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Keeping it cool== |
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Hey dude, I'm a Muslim too. And I know we get maligned all the time by idiots. But its important to keep everything 100% cool when we do. So its best to avoid comments like . Because well-meaning people could get offended. If someone's being racist, call out their racism, but don't attack them back.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 14:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Cool as a pool. OK. Bye. --] (]) 14:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Your recent talkpage edit == |
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I don't understand your last edit at the no personal attacks talkpage. Was it a joke or an attempt to make a point? ] (]) 17:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Of course it was a joke. (I saw you are working very much and wanted to give you a smile... :-) BTW thank you for your efforts to improve WP. All the best. --] (]) 17:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::Ok. Do you mind if I undo it? It doesn't seem to be helping. I'm trying to get something going. Actually, please, if you would, please give an example of something that might make one defensive but isn't a personal attack in the place of it if you would. ] (]) 17:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Please, be my guest. Indeed I was intending to write in that blank "It's all Greek to you" which would fit exactly to the need that you describe above; however I am not very sure if everyone's sense of humour is as good as mine, so I chose not to... --] (]) 17:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I see. Thank you. ] (]) 18:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Handshake== |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Nice to meet you.```]<small>]</small> 15:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Help request == |
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Could you please open a "references" section at the article ] and add this there, as a citation tag has been added there and I do not know much about these things nor wish to spend the evening on something that is certainly very easy for you or other experienced users... Thank you and selamlar. --] (]) 11:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Did you mean ?--] (]) 11:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::Man, I already did it all by myself, but if you did anything to improve my copy-paste, thank you very much. Aslansın! --] (]) 11:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Turkish invasion of Cyprus== |
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Thank you for your note. I made no test edits in no article. I only corrected Turkish bias. When i see Turkish PoV i correct it. Regards <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Which Turkish POV? That article is full of anti-Turkish propaganda, let alone nationalist POVs. Read it carefully, with an open mind, and you will see it easily. You removed a part about a very important issue in the article, Greek Cypriot killing of an innocent foreign ambassador and his colleagues; apparently in relation to the Turkish "invasion". Other than being very important -and may help you understand the mood in Washington D.C. despite the presence of a strong Greek lobby there- this was very well sourced (indeed I remember the event, no idea how old you are and what kind of an education you received) but you possibly think you can whitewash history by blanking WP articles. Do you believe the US State Department learns Cypriot history from WP? It is better -for you- to learn the history instead of trying to hide it. I learn here everyday one or another thing about my country, despite my age and academic background; and recommend you to try to learn something from the WP instead of destroying it. And never again use f words after dead people, be them American or from wherever. (If you are young enough accept it as an uncle's advice.) All the best. --] (]) 19:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== ] RfC == |
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Hi E4024. Nobody has yet responded to your question at ]. Your asserts that the residents speak either Bulgarian or Turkish. As you seem to acknowledge, this is too sweeping because it omits the Roma, Armenian, Greeks, Vlach etc. Isn't it possible that the article is better off without your edit? I think you are misreading the table at http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/european_languages.htm. It simply lists Turkish under the heading 'Other spoken language.' It doesn't say that all the other minorities speak Turkish. Presumably the table is not intending to list every spoken language, so nothing can be inferred from a language not being mentioned in that table. Thank you, ] (]) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Turkish is the second language in that country and I think it should be reflected in the article. (For case similarities see discussions in ] article.) My edit has already been reverted like many other things editors are trying to retain about Turkish culture in the Balkans. It looks to me like some people are not happy enough with expelling the Turks from the region but are also trying to eliminate any reference to their presence in the WP articles. (Of course this is not for you.) I would appreciate if you discussed my opinion on the TP of the article; I feel like I have asked a taboo question as no-one comments, in a very discussion-loving topic area like the Balkans... I thank you in advance. --] (]) 17:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::As an admin, I don't want to express my own opinion on content issues regarding ]. It's just that you might be wondering why nobody responded to your RfC. If you were able to make a definite proposal for better wording, you might attract more support. (Extremely vague RfCs are not a good idea). As it is, it just looks that you were reading sources carelessly. Interpreting this as editors 'trying to eliminate any reference to presence' is surely excessive. Thank you, ] (]) 16:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Some Koekjes for you== |
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Buster7 has given you some ''']''' which promote fellowship, goodwill and ]. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of ''']''' around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. {{#ifeq:{{{option}}}|beast|Nice Koekjes are very tasty and have been known to calm even the most savage beast.|Nice Koekjes are very tasty and have been known to be so NICE, they will even bake themselves.}} Enjoy! |
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Mmmmh, very tasty. No idea about to whom I will give "Koekjes" first as I have to find "someone I have had disagreements '''in the past'''"; indeed someone who had a chance to receive a nicely smelling Turkish coffee from me as recently as yesterday, lost his chances as he preferred narrow-minded nationalism and the pleasure of "Turk-bashing" to encyclopedia writing with an open mind... --] (]) 16:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Kurtuluş == |
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İlk WP maddemi açtım: ]! Lütfen biraz yardım et bana. Öncelikle maddeyi arayanların kolay bulması için birşeyler yapalım (Kurtuluş-Kurtulus vb). Çok ilginçtir, gemiyi ararken bile "]" yazınca çıkmıyor, SS yazmak ve "ş" kullanmak gerekiyor! ''Yani o madde de yardım bekliyor''. Hadi beni kutlamak yerine '''develop this article'''. Thanks in advance. --] (]) 12:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Hayırlı olsun :) Aynı isimde başka madde yoksa parantez kullanımı gereksiz madde adlarında. Dolayısıyla parantezli kısmın kaldırılması gerek madde adından. Yine film, İngilizce gösterim adıyla adlandırılmalı. Bu film İngilizce olarak vizyona girdi mi? 'de farklı bir adlandırılma yapılmış mesela. Aksi bir durum yoksa filmin orijinal adı olan Türkçe adı tercih edilmeli. Gemi maddesine gelirsek, sadece "]" adı alabilecek iki bir madde var burada: İstanbul'daki Kurtuluş semti ve ]. Aklımıza ilk semt geldiğinden sade ad olan "Kurtuluş" adı, semti anlatan maddeye verilmiş, üst kısmına da "Başka Kurtuluşlar da var, onlara da bakın" gibisinden ] anlam ayrımına bağlantı verilmiş. Geminin adı ise sadece Kurtuluş değil, "SS Kurtuluş". O yüzden Kurtuluş yazınca direk geminin çıkması doğru olmuyor, olamıyor :)--] (]) 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Tenedos/Bozcaada: the Ottoman period== |
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What is the issue with not using either name there? ] (]) 20:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:BRD: Convince me/us in the discussion page of the article. --] (]) 20:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Fork - bad faith?== |
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I have not been involved in any discussion on Tenedos/Bozcaada naming. You must be mixing me up with somebody else. ] (]) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:There is a "fork" here. I withdrew the qualification of faith only for being kind to you (civility). No more words for you here, please do not come back. --] (]) 20:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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::Cool down; I did what I thought was right; you did what you thought best. This split wasn't vandalism, nor was it pushing any particular point of view; how would it? On Misplaced Pages many edits take place, and unless there is an attempt to disrupt or vandalize, don't make it personal. ] (]) 23:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== Izmir or İzmir == |
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Hi, You have moved the name İzmir to Izmir in the article ]. But up to November 29, 2011, the İ in the original article İzmir was İ and not I .(see ) In WP there is no clear cut concensus on the use of non-English letters of the Latin alphabet. Please see the examples of ], ], ]. Cheers. |
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] (]) 08:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for visiting my TP. I did so because Izmir was -and is- ] in its own article. Moreover, ] is also Istanbul, as these are common names in English. If you insist on İzmir (the Turkish name of the city) instead of Izmir (the English equivalent) other people may more easily request for awkward outdated names in return. These names are not like the case of "İmroz" (recently re-named "]"), the name of a tiny island with its special letters like İ or ü and ç; these are large cities whose names are already settled in English as "Izmir" and "Istanbul". All the best. --] (]) 08:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC) |
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You are probably right about what the name of the article should be, but it must be discussed and consensus obtained. DIscuss it on the page with the modern title. When it is agreed, the articles should be merged. The content about the origin of the ancient name is relevant content--I have not checked to see if there may possibly be other unique content. ''']''' (]) 17:19, 29 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thank you. I had already opened a discussion thread in ] and now I tagged it with an RfC template. After 4 or 5 months in WP I am still not very sure about the procedure to follow in every specific case; so I would appreciate it a lot if you did the necessary as you "probably" agree with my opinion. Thanks in advance and all the best. --] (]) 17:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:: I'll look at it, ''']''' (]) 18:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC) |
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== ] == |
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I declined the move suggested in . If ] needs to be moved, please use the procedure at ], because it would be a controversial move. I don't think the page needs to be moved, though. --] ] 15:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for visiting my TP. That move request was not controversial when I asked for technical help; but now I see there are two or three users who do not agree with me. Anyhow, I already opened a '''Move Request''' discussion on the TP of the ]. (As you might have seen I am not very good at placing templates; the one that you rightly removed was, for example, between the "references" instead of the correct place.) Speaking of references, I would like to ask from you, as both an experienced user interested in the article, and as an admin always ready to help "rather new" users like myself, a simple help: Could you please fix the references to the RAE Dictionary definitions of '''Cebiche''', '''Ceviche''' and '''Seviche'''; because at present the article has dead ends on these references. |
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On the other hand, I am sure as an admin you know better than me that you have a right to have an opinion on every article just like any user and am glad that you already told yours. Would you mind writing your arguments pro-"Ceviche" in the discussion thread (Move request: September 2012). Let us see what other users opine and at the end some uninvolved admin will close that move request. As they say in football, "let us hope who plays better wins". Indeed at the end it will be WP who wins. All the best. --] (]) 16:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:By the way, when you notice problems with references, please do not use speedy deletion tags to indicate there's an issue. The speedy deletion tags are for use when you want to propose the deletion of an entire article, not for pointing out problems. There are a ] available for a variety of situations. In the future, please use the most appropriate of these when you identify issues. Thanks! - ] 01:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::Of course. Why would I do that on purpose? I was only trying to use a "template" to ask admin technical help for a move I considered "not controversial" (I confess I looked only at the TP, not the archives). I was not adding a "tag" for speedy deletion. (I think I learned the correct names of those gadgets at last! Why don't we call all these things simply "tagplates"? :-) In short, I mean I was only trying to make an uncontroversial move. I hope everything is clear now. Also thanks to the revolt I began in the said article now its refs are fixed, a good result... All the best. --] (]) 09:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Thanks == |
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Wow, I hadn't even noticed that YF had, in addition to leaving a harassing message on my talk page, ''edit-warred'' to leave a harassing message on my talk page. Thanks for trying to deal with it. –] (] ⋅ ]) 21:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Not at all. Dealing with users that threaten the civility in this place is more important than anything else in WP. --] (]) 22:06, 5 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::I'm so glad you feel that way. Perhaps you could see your way clear to uphold that sentiment by ceasing to treat every IP user you come into contact with with open contempt and backhanded accusations. Comments like show a level of hostility and distrust of all IP users that is not really compatible with the ideal that this is the encylopdia anyone can edit. You explicitly do not have to create an account to be treated with dignity and respect, and editing from an IP does not make you automatically a sockpuppet, as your comments on the now deleted talk page of the name of Azerbaijan article would see to suggest. Treating IP users with instant suspiscion is disruptive to harmonious editing and directly contrary to the idea that we ] in the absence of evidence to the contrary. ] (]) 18:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Let me try to explain it so you -hopefully- will not have a wrong impression of me: I wrote that note due to harassment of IP participants on a move discussion, in which the IPs and me were generally on the same side. I refer to the infamous ] case. I said IPs should be automatically checked in "voted" discussions because during and after the discussion there was a constant effort of demonizing the IPs without any clear reason. (So I thought -and still think- it is a good idea to do this check during "voted" discussions; better than accusing and trying to discard the IP participants with or without basis.) Clear enough? Thanks to you. --] (]) 19:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)<small>P.D. At the said discussion I also censured an IP participant because s/he implied the "shit" word for one of the name choices.</small> |
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::You sound like you are trying to say that IP users should be automatically ] on a sort of "for their own good" basis. Unless those IPs are mind readers as well, what I said above stands. It looks like an assumption of bad faith whether that is what you intended or not. If IPs are being harassed, it is the person doing the harassing that is the problem. If you see that again report it to administrators at ]. ] (]) 17:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks for teaching me all these subtleties Beeblebrox. I am a simple person and try to explain myself simply, although not always succeed it. Let me give you an example from a split ]. There is only one IP there expressing an opinion (at present). Look at it: It is the '''only''' contribution of that IP to Wp and read its words to see that it is very accustomed (at least more than me) to this kind of WP discussions. What am I supposed to think? I am almost sure that a registered user makes use of an IP (any computer other than his/hers) to support his/her position. Or simply asserting his/her position without the user name because s/he is kind of ashamed to defend the undefendable (that s/he wants to defend for reasons not compatible with a desire to make an objective encyclopedia.) Sorry if I am too stubborn but this is how I see things and yes, I would prefer every IP participating in a move, rename, merge, split etc discussion to pass a checkuser test, for the good of WP, not that of any user. All the best. --] (]) 18:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== "Sir" == |
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I've learned something from the mistake I've made and I added elements for others to avoid it. |
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NO prob' ] (]) 19:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Me too. For a moment I thought something different; sorry. Have some Turkish coffee |
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on the house, Sir... ] (]) 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You are perfection, enough said! (: ] (]) 19:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. Mom says the same... :-) --] (]) 19:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::The editor has a really unusual history. I noticed them on their edit at Italian Cuisine. Do you know them? Is it just someone blowing off steam? (and I think you are special, too!) -- ] 20:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::No. Aucune idée. I only know that everybody is special. --] (]) 20:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::: Unusual, quite. Editing in bad faith, no! --] (]) 18:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Ro-Ro Boat == |
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Sorry, robot; or simply "bot". Have you got one to add "province" WLs to the ]? I am a hard worker but not so young to do this manually... --] (]) 18:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Hi. I think it is better to do something like . Also some of these islands are not notable, and there is no reason to give them wiki links.--] (]) 20:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for your interest. Although I could not see the difference of those other articles, do as you wish. (It is always better to do something than stand still.) Bazi adalarin "notable" olup olmamasi su anda önemli degil, cünkü bunlar "redlink". It is good to have a -more or less- complete list at hand; so if we lose any rocks we will know which one... :-) My reference to WLs is about the "provinces" (Balikesir, Izmir etc) that these islands and islets belong to. Best. --] (]) 20:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I'm trying to do something like . I think that's better than the "USA's list" :) We can sort the list by name of the islands, locations and provinces.--] (]) 21:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::::My, my; that's really nice... --] (]) 21:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |
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* I'm done with ]. Looks better now, I think.--] (]) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:How not? If you made it... Thank you very much dostum. --] (]) 22:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::I did not think you were online :) I fixed some links and it looks even better (even better doğru kullanım mıdır tam emin olamadım ama :)--] (]) 22:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Your English is "more better" everyday... :-) --] (]) 22:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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== Kuslar == |
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Belki sen degil ama birisi Kusadasini da ada yapmis galiba. Güvercin filan derken... Oraya bir have a look please. --] (]) 22:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Done. By the way, can you read Ottoman Turkish? Or do you know someone that can read?--] (]) 22:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::Daktilo ile (ve hereke kullanarak) yazmislarsa okuyabilirim sanirim. Aksi takdirde no chance... --] (]) 22:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Çok önemli olmayan (resim altları olsa yeterli, çözünürlük düşük belki zor olur okuması). da isimlerin okunması güzel olacaktır.--] (]) 22:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I can barely read "Galatasaray Futbol Takimi" in the title. The rest is too difficult... --] (]) 22:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:Derginin adi: "Spor Alemi". (Fotospor'un dedesi galiba... :-) --] (]) 22:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::Bu yazilari daha koyu ve iri, okunakli hale getirip bana gönderirsen I could give it another try. Everything for football... --] (]) 15:04, 5 November 2012 (UTC) |
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==Regional variations of Baklava== |
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Hi, E4024. Of course baklava is more typical of Turkey, Greece, and Syria than it is of Afghanistan. But frankly, I don't take the "regional variations" section too seriously. It is mostly ] anyway. I do find it interesting that the famous Antep (`Aintab) baklava apparently comes from Aleppo.... So should we put Syria before Turkey? Organizing such a section by modern nation-states is itself silly. --] (]) 22:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:Do it if you wish so; but I have lived in Syria and never saw something "really" (not in photos) similar to Turkish baklava... --] (]) 23:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the invitation and the great phonetic English message in which you wrote to me. I will check the discussion about Istanbul and see if I can comment there. Istanbul is surely a great city. I dedicate to you a wonderful song about the city called "Istanbul". It is from a Belgian Armenian singer called ]. He was actually born in Lebanon but his parents were from ]. The song is in French. . Sorry about the bad quality of the recording, but "Istanbul" is a truly superb song from an absolute star who sang in many languages including Turkish and where he was too much loved. Some other songs in Turkish by the same singer and and Enjoy! ] (]) 01:03, 17 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:I thank you very much for the interest and the wonderful songs. Neither Istanbul nor the music of ] could possibly be loved "too much". (BTW our beloved WP says he was born in Valence, France.) Thanks again and take care. --] (]) 08:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC) |
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==Happy Turkey Day== |
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:Thank you very much, Buster. All the same to you; enjoy Turkey, and the turkey too. I sent you a dessert to try before a "sade" (without sugar) Turkish coffee. Big hug. --] (]) 20:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Congratulations! == |
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For your victory in Kadıköy today. Would you mind fixing the "navigation boxes" of our beloved Lefter? I have no idea what those boxes are, but they seem to be experiencing technical difficulties... Thanks and selamlar. --] (]) 22:36, 28 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:Done. But we didn't win today, I'm a Galatasaray fan :)--] (]) 23:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC) |
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::I knew it! Who else would ask me to transliterate the subtitles of an old GS photo; I had already ''takılmıştım'' you, forgot it? Congratulations for yesterday in the Arena then... And thanks. --] (]) 23:24, 28 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:::.--] (]) 17:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC) |
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::::More thanks then. You are a WikiGnome... --] (]) 18:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Iran (Islamic Republic of) == |
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Regarding your edit summary — I'm getting the impression that Iran is officially "Iran (Islamic Republic of)" in various international organisations, including the UN, and the same appears to be true of "Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of)". That being said, I agree that we don't need to include (Adjective Republic of) in this article. ] (]) 22:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for visiting my Talk Page. Feel free to revert my edits; they have little importance... --] (]) 19:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Here, . --] (]) 23:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== My second barnstar == |
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(Here there was a photo of a cute black kid standing beside a woman in ].) |
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:Thank you. Nice photo. BTW which one am I? I hope the child, because I would like to begin life again and avoid coming together with certain people... All the best. --] (]) 21:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for helping out with the unwanted visitor on my talk page, and sorry they then decided to have a go at you as well. What a charming individual! <small>''']''' ''']/]'''</small> 09:21, 3 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Never mind, my pleasure. These people are "colours" of life, some a bit dark though... --] (]) 10:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Removal of a reference at ] == |
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Hello E4024. Please see a discussion at ]. ] has complained about your removal of a reference about the monument which is a report by ]. The reference does appear to be legit and the text it provides about the monument is not very controversial. Tessa Hofmann seems to have a reputation as a scholar. One of her books is according to Worldcat. You can respond at my talk page if you wish. Kansas Bear objects to the reasoning that you used for removal and thinks you should be notified under ]. Thank you, ] (]) 02:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Since you haven't responded at ] it seems likely that you will be official warned under ARBAA2. It is easy to imagine that you simply overlooked the mention of the monument in the document, since it was brief, but you haven't commented on that. ] (]) 20:13, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Certainly I must have overlooked; I cannot waste too much time to read completely a "''not very'' '''controversial'''" paper. Without doubt I did not do anything "''under clearly less than sincere reasons''". The reason I have not come to your TP is it is too crowded and I prefer my own space to talk, so that I may avoid intruders. Thank you very much. Peace. --] (]) 20:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::If you want to edit in a controversial area, it is reasonable to expect you to explain your changes. Turks vs. Armenians is an important issue, and the intensity with which opinions are held often forces admins to get involved on that topic, even if they would rather not. If you prefer not to explain your edits, I seriously suggest that you should avoid topics involving Armenians. You seem to have good intentions and you want to be productive. Also it is not yet very common here to have editors who can work on Turkish topics who can bring local knowledge and insight, so it is useful in principle to have you around. The block notices you have received in 2012 are disconcerting, but I don't see why those notices should cast a shadow on your future here. Thanks, ] (]) 21:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks for your nice words. Please continue to guide me and do not hesitate to use the "undo" or "change" buttons on my edits whenever you deem necessary. All the best. --] (]) 21:26, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== The price of being young == |
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Please do me ] favour... Thanks in advance. --] (]) 22:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC) |
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: :) You can change these informations if you want, if you don't like.--] (]) 14:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::How am I not going to like it! Thank you very much. Now let us hope someone make the linkage from TR:WP. (Orada hala engellenmemiş kullanıcılar var, di mi? :-) Sevgiler. --] (]) 15:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Indigenbul == |
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Why don't you participate at the pic discussion? Life is not only about the capital and indigenous people... Selamlar, --] (]) 21:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Vikide Türkiye'deki Türk dışı etnik toplumlara Amerika kıtasından "anormal" derecede ilgi var, buna karşılık o Amerika'daki "indigenous people" üzerine gözünü/kulağını/dilini kapayıp "maymun" rolü oynamak yaygın. Ayrıca meslek olarak da Amerika yerli dilleri ilgi alanımdır. 48 yaşındayım ve o "capital" dediğin şey benim cebime şu ana kadar girmiş değil ve "nasıl bir şey olduğunu" da açıkçası unuttum. ], ], and others İngilizce vikide bile yok; sahi niye yok! Türkçede güzel bir laf var: "Kendi gözündeki fili görmeyen Uncle Sam Atlantik ötesindeki Adana eşeğininin kuyruğundaki kılı görebiliyor" diye. --] (]) 21:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Winter Wonderland == |
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]{{quotation|'''Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.'''}} |
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::Happy Holidays. ```]<small>]</small> 14:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Uy, it's almost the same view I see through my window! We could be neighbours. (My scene comes without subtitles though... :-) Happy Holidays to you too. Please don't cut your finger at dinner this time. Best. --] (]) 14:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Got thru the holidays with all 10 digits. ```]<small>]</small> 02:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Poor bro; only snow to look at... :-) --] (]) 10:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Why remove the picture? == |
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You removed from the page ]. |
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The picture doesn't belong to me neither did I put it in the page. And I don't know what a "doner kebap" is, but, from where I come, this is what a Shawarma looks like. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for visiting my TP. Then "shawarma" should be part of "döner" and not a separate article. Just like ] means "turning" and comes from "döner", it comes from a ] word: '''çevirme'''. If you have been enough time here you may know the discussion about what is what and how things happened. BTW I have eaten a lot of "shawarma" myself and I like it, especially in a certain restaurant in Beirut. However, making WP is another issue. You cannot use a Ford pic in a Chevrolet article. Ma-es-selame(t). --] (]) 18:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC) |
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* How about ? Even the description says that it is a Shawarma. --] (]) 17:11, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:I cannot see the file; if it says "shawarma" in the description it must be so. I am happy to see that there are users other than me who are intending to develop that article. All the best. --] (]) 17:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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Sorry, a little mistake in address of the picture. Can you see it now? --] (]) 17:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Nice pic. Reminded me of the small rolls of shawarma (always lamb) I used to eat at Damascus, for 25 Syrian Pounds (less than a dollar in "free market") each, when Syria was a different country. The white and clean shirt-uniform of the cook is new to me though. You see, WP is only about voluntary work. Best wishes... --] (]) 17:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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* If you don't mind my asking. Are you Syrian? --] (]) 17:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:I am a Turk who has travelled a lot. --] (]) 17:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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: Cool. --] (]) 17:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Pangaltı == |
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Can you this? And having book would be amazing for the article :)--] (]) 20:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, 19th Century! Rapsar, maybe I am older than your father but even I was born in the 20th Century. I have no personal memories -let alone that peculiar century- even from the first half of the past century (mine). Thanks. --] (]) 21:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Rapsar, does your ] map reflect the current status? You know Turkey changes so fast; now there is even a fine for parents who let their kids ride a tricycle without that ''helmet'' thing! There are even some drivers (other than me :-) who stop to give way to pedestrians... --] (]) 10:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Taiwan == |
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Are you interested to share your two cents at ]? ] (]) 23:29, 26 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for thinking about me but I am not well aware of that topic. Until I looked at the article a few minutes ago I thought Formosa was a beautiful island of Taiwan... --] (]) 11:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:: No problem. Formosa or Taiwan is in fact the biggest island and an archipelago within the country commonly known after the namesake island/archipelago. But there are also other islands in this country that are not considered as part of the archipelago. Meanwhile, interestingly, contributors in both ] and ] made use of arguments such as "insignificant", "people won't understand", and "people who aren't familiar will be confused". ] (]) 23:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I think encyclopedias are meant to give details; people who really want to learn read encyclopedias; others look at the TV or ask their friends... --] (]) 23:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::: That's very true indeed. But there are also people who don't read yet edit a lot. ] (]) 23:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== re ] == |
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I see nothing here that warrants admin attention, can you be more specific? --] (]) 19:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Etymology of the word "Turk" as part of a talk about a musical instrument? I doubt we Turks are barbarians as implied by this problematic user (see other edits) but that reference certainly is vandalism; IMO of course. Best.--] (]) 19:14, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Not terribly, no, and not without you saying anything to them in the first place. The easy thing is to demand a citation rather than their own original research. They do seem to have an agenda but I'm not about to give warnings and what not for something that no one has even bothered responding to. It's at least vaguely on topic, unlike their rant at Macedonia. --] (]) 19:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Furthermore, expressing a crappy opinion is never vandalism. Vandalism is defacement of an article or talk page, or filling it with nonsense. You may think he's racist or a troll, but he's not a vandal. --] (]) 19:57, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::If I were you, I would remove the irrelevant second paragraph of that talk. Simple as that... --] (]) 19:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::You aren't me, and I don't edit other people's comments unless there's a blatant insult or vandalism. You're welcome to bring this up on one of the administrator noticeboards for someone else to handle. I note, however, that if you request this on a noticeboard, the first thing they will check is to see if you communicated with the user first. --] (]) 20:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:I do, as you may see , because the tambouras and the tambores are sounding but the admins pretend not hear. --] (]) 12:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
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==Apologies== |
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Apologies for the revert on the Massacres of Cyprus article. I did not notice the number of deaths relative to the days but I only read the article <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Thanks for being so kind. I am not accustomed to receiving apologies. Have a Happy New Year. --] (]) 18:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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==Cyprus Question== |
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Hello there. First I want to express my deepest appreciation to your contributions. And I'd like to suggest you a book: The Cyprus Question: Diplomacy and International Law by Dr. Adel Safty (2011). You'll find a restricted preview of the book on Google. You're always very welcome on my user talk page if you want to discuss about anything. ] (]) 02:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Thank you very much for your kind words. I also appreciate you for being a good Misplaced Pages editor. Now, I have many books in my library but no time to use them for substantial writing activity here, like making new articles. As you may see from my contributions history, most of my time in WP is dedicated to simply remove "bad faith" additions from the project. --] (]) 12:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
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==Misunderstanding Misplaced Pages== |
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Why are you reverting the edits of other people for no reason? In particular, may I ask why did you reverted my edits in the ] Islets article? Someone else had to undo your unexplained revision and restore my edits. All what I did is just to add the regional administrative info of the islets from the municipality's data. Please next time to not revert edits made by other people and try use the talk page. This way by far a lot more productive. If you have any objections or concerns about someone's edits, the Talk page of an article is the place to go. İyi günler. ^_^ --] (]) 13:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:'''Someone else did not restore your edits'''. ''They made the edit as it should be done per ].'' I reverted your edit so that after some reading and thinking on partial-impartial editing you could come back and do the editing objectively, ''Silent'' Resident. --] (]) 15:29, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:: E4024, this isn't a valid reason to revert my edits. I didn't had info for both sides - just one of the two sides, which is very logic, given that I can't understand Turkish well. - the one whom I understand the language and can read its government sites is just Greek. If you have the info for the Turkish side, or can you find it yourself, you are more than welcome to add them yourself. So you see yourself that the problem here isn't that the lack of objective editing. The problem is that not all the people can read Greek and Turkish at same time, so its better that we, Turks and Greeks, and people who are studied both languages, can co-operate with each other and do the necessary improvements to the article. - If I make some edits, feel free to do some of your part as well, if you find the info. Again no point to consider the edits of other people as partial-impartial only because they didn't had all the info with them. Thats how Misplaced Pages's articles are getting improved. If we go in the logic "He didn't put more info about the other side? THEN REVERT!", then I don't see a point for most of us the common users who do not know more than 2-3 languages, to contribute to it, at all, to Misplaced Pages and its impressive base of knowledge which was build mostly thanks to people's cooperation... :) --] (]) 23:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:::On the section title: Then you revert your own POV pushing edits and I will not... --] (]) 23:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::::No lol, this could be again a wrong approach. You need keeping overwatching the edits of the other people, including mine. Always. because we never know, sometimes can be POV. Thats why Misplaced Pages gives us the tools to overwatch the edits of the people. Keep up the good work, E4024! Selamlar! (edit: updated the section title, but if it isn't good, feel free to name it more accordingly) ^_^ --] (]) 23:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC) |
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==Understanding Misplaced Pages== |
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Thank you for your barnstar and your kindly comments :)--] (]) 19:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:You certainly understand what Misplaced Pages is -and try to develop it against all odds- and deserve a lot more than I can send you on-line. I wish there were many more users like you here... Best. --] (]) 19:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Merhaba eski dostum! == |
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Merhaba E4024, |
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Seni burada görünce gerçekten çok şaşırdım. Nasılsın, napıyorsun? Türkçe Vikipedi'de engellenince Vikiyi tamamen bıraktın sanıyordum. Yanıldığıma hiç sevinmemiştim bu kadar :) Burada İngilizcem el verdiğince katkı yapmaya çalışabilirim; belki sana yardımcı olurum. |
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Sevgilerimle... --] (]) 00:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:My my! Good to hear from you again. FYI I began wikiing here and went there from here (sömestr tatilinde :-); Let us all try to improve our English, and communication skills... Thank you for the visit. --] (]) 09:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::Don't help me, help WP. You don't need English to contribute here. I even contributed to the Greek WP without knowing much more than saying "wine, fish and bread please". Add pics to Turkish articles. (We have so many beautiful pics in the Turkish WP which are not used here. But don't touch the ugly pics in the Istanbul article; there is an obsession with ugly pics there... :-) You may also "open" the articles that do not require much text, like neighbourhoods and quarters (semtler) of major Turkish cities. (Our friend Rapsar has been very active lately in that area, but we have thousands of them, leave aside all the vacuum in "village" and even "district" articles.) I know a few people who will at least fill the etymology section of those new articles. (The word "Türk" comes from... Forget it! :-) Also please open articles of schools in Turkey. For example Üsküdar Kız Lisesi or Beşiktaş Kız Lisesi or Erenköy Kız Lisesi or Kadıköy Kız Lisesi, whatsoever. I refer especially to girls schools because these schools helped the Turkish women's emancipation and proper evolution, which is a very important facet of the reformation of Turkish society, or the "Turkish Revolution". (I know of my own mother.) I and others will help fill the texts. I noticed that Nedim has wonderful pics. I wonder why (maybe I did not see them) he did not use them in articles concerning the Roman Empire (Roman way in Turkey pic) and other issues. Best. |
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:::Tamamdır. Süresiz engellerden sonra buraya gelince kendimi sürgünde gibi hissediyorum... Neyse, buraya da alışırız. Belki gün gelir engeller kaldırılır.. Bu haftasonu katkı yapabilirim, şu iki gün boyunca çok fazla işim var :) Sevgilerimle. --] (]) 16:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Reply to your request for help == |
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Thanks for your post to my talk page, under the heading "User destroying WP for personal or national feelings". I have replied there. ] (]) 17:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== New Articles == |
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* ]/]--] (]) 00:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thank you very much Rapsar. Turkey articles in WP increase in number everyday and get better thanks to your hard work. --] (]) 09:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Halide Edip == |
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Zamanında Amerikan mandasına girilmesi gerektiğini savunduğu bilgisini de maddeye ekleyebilir misin?--] (]) 11:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:Of course; but first things first. Before that I have to tell the WP reader that she was one of the first ever women in the world to realize a public protest meeting (please help me with a pic), and among the moustached men of Istanbul a century ago! Our article, like many others about Turks here, instead of telling us her contributions as a woman rights and democracy defender, early period woman journalist, writer and politician speaks about totally irrelevant issues as masterpiece. As you know, that is because for some editors, Turk-bashing is a favourite sport. Anyway, can you believe, there is no serious info about the Turkish women's political struggle here; people think the Turkish men "gave" them their rights. We have a powerful women's movement and one of the first ever political parties in Turkey was a women's party. They deserved to get voting rights as early as 1926 thanks to their own struggle, and even resisting against our founding fathers... --] (]) 11:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Call for contribution == |
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Hi, Turkish language is nominated for featured article. (See ]) I did my best to improve the article. But it still needs improvements. Can you contribute to it (If possible with written or on line academic sources) ? ] (]) 21:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:If I can, why not. First of all remove the parenthesis from Kosovo in the infobox and turn it to a "footnote". Why did you not use WLs for the countries like Greece, Bulgaria etc in the article text? --] (]) 21:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC) |
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::For featured article every claim should be sourced. I don't have a problem with the contributions. I can add many other subsections quite easily. But the problem is to add proper references. Finding serious English reference for Turkish language is exteremely difficult. You can of course change the data about the distribution of Turkish speakers, provided you support your claim with a reliable source . ] (]) 21:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Sources are reliable but not all users. --] (]) 21:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Tzachas == |
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I'm trying to improve Çaka Bey article in Turkish Misplaced Pages in . You can translate it to English, and improve the article, if you want. He is the first Turkish admiral, as you know :)--] (]) 23:46, 25 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:Good for Turkish WP. Thanks. That article is a mess here. The only source is about the Turkish name and it is misused. Unsourced speculation abound, as usual in articles concerning Turkish history. --] (]) 10:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Note to NeoRetro == |
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Hi there, NeoRetro; I am writing to you here because I wish to avoid intrusion into our dialogue by third parties. I read the words "muslim Greeks weren't seen as Greeks" from you somewhere. (I only added a ' sign; hopefully in the correct place.) I understand you have a confusion about the "millet" system in the ]. The "millet" system was based on religions, in this case we are speaking about the "Greek Orthodox" '''millet''' and not about '''Ottoman Muslims'''. Like many Turkish people, I myself ''may'' ('''or may not''') have some "''Rum''" blood in my veins but that has nothing to do with the issue we are dealing with. In other words, the Ottoman system does not make distinctions based on ethnicity of the "subjects" (classical period) or "citizens" (modern times); although the "millet"s are in different compartments (based on religion) most of the time. In short, I stand behind my edit but will not undo yours. I hope the issue is understood. (Read ] for more on this and related issues.) On the other hand, I wish to ask you a help: The article ] has a section for Greeks which is unduly long. We may have had a long history of Greek presence in the country but today we have less than 3 thousand Greek Orthodox citizens in ]. There is a special article on ] in WP and in the section "Greeks" of the "Minorities in Turkey" article there is a link to that one as "main article". I tried to trim it and removed redundant WLs but still there are repetitions and unnecessary details. I wish and hope an editor like yourself, who says to have "Rum" ancestry to shorten that section and organise it a bit. I could do it myself but am really tired and bored of being accused (by the same users who are not welcome to my TP) of trying to whitewash. Please do WP a favour and contribute to that section. Thanks in advance and best wishes. --] (]) 14:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I think you misunderstood me. I am fully aware of the millet system but the fact is that, next to that official system, from the 19th century onwards there was also a growing sense of ethnicity. It's true in those days religion was seen as a major part of ethnic identity and even for that reason my great grandfather joined the Ottoman intelligence service (out of loyalty to his faith). That doesn't mean however, that we weren't Rum or that we aren't Rum today. You say we have Rum ancestry, but it's not just my ancestry, it's also my ethnicity. So even for this reason it frustrates me when people say there are only 3000 Greeks left in Turkey. This is simply not true. In general I oppose shortening any article on Misplaced Pages, unless it's obstructively long. I can take a loot at it, but I can't promise I won't enlarge it ;) ] (]) 16:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::Now that you replied me I went to see your user page just out of curiousity. According to that page ''you have'' "Turkish and Greek '''ancestry''' and you are a ''native speaker of English''. I may expect anything from you... :-) --] (]) 16:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Unfortunately the education system here didn't offer the opportunity for me to learn Turkish or Greek. I'm still Pontic though. My Turkish ancestry stems from much longer ago. :D] (]) 16:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Women in Turkish politics == |
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Hi! It looks like your new article is shaping up great. I'm impressed! If I could offer a couple suggestions, it looks like the background section could do with some expansion and a couple of citations. I also think it would be awesome if you could give some details on the female government ministers beyond their office and years in service, for example, what their projects were in office, what their party affiliation was, what reforms they enacted, etc. I really like the tables, that's great for showing the trend over history. Let me know if you want a copyedit, review, anything. Good luck and great job! Best, ]|<sup>]</sup> 16:25, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Hey, thank you very much for your suggestions for improvement. I will share them with the friends who work on this. We are very grateful for your moral support but also your contributions as a native speaker and more important than that your ''girl power'' input will be very much appreciated. (Please see my talk at ] too.) Thanks also for your nice words of support. Best. --] (]) 16:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::I would love to help out the coverage of Turkish women! I actually have come across a few tidbits about ], perhaps that's worth doing? I'll try to lend a hand when I can. I'm a little swamped at the moment but if you ping me in a week or two I should have some more time. Best, ]|<sup>]</sup> 22:13, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Of course, Kei, thank you. We will also open ]. These gals are working so hard on politics, literature, sports, business, science (my own sister) that me and a few other ''macho'' (but not machista :-) Turks are trying to cover all those articles. Best. --] (]) 22:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Thanks for asking me about ]. I know you are interested in Armenian subjects particularly with regards to Ottoman Armenians and I congratulate you for that. Me, my parents originate from Kahramanmarash so we do share common ground here. Perhaps the George Tutunjian article at first sight looks like a candidate for deletion. But what I know about George Tutunjian is that he is truly an international phenomenon in all Armenian communities including North America, Latin America, the Arab World, Australia for many decades (and we're talking 40-50 years). He has countless albums and has performed on hundreds of occasions in front of publics by thousands. True, he always created controversy by being clearly an advocate and ally with one particular political grouping of the Armenian diaspora called ARF in opposition to the two other traditional Armenian political groupings of the Diaspora SDHP and ADL.... So he was loved and he was hated at the same time. In Soviet Armenia, he was banned by the Communist regime, but his recordings would be smuggled into Soviet Armenia and distributed clandestinely and widely distributed as a legendary interpretor of Armenian nationalistic as well as old ethnic music from various Armenian localities in Ottoman Empire (Adana, Ourfa, Marash, Ainteb, Jebel Moussa, Trabzon, Van etc) and has sung in a number of languages as well. I am telling you all this to pinpoint his enormous fame and notability. When the Armenian Republic was declared in the 1990s, he had a big return in which he sang in tens of recitals in front of tens of thousands who knew him for decades without ever having had the chance of seeing him performing. It was a huge feast. He would be also considered as "the" legendary singer in association with Aleppo, Syria a city with large Armenian community. On a personal level, I have seen him in Montreal and met him briefly and I was in awe of his legacy... He has tens of studio recordings that are kept as definitive versions of Armenian nationalistic and ethnic songs. I will see if I can add references to document further his notability. Meanwhile see http://www.azad-hye.net/news/viewnews.asp?newsId=513skg91 But if you ask me personally, I think it will be a great loss to see the article go away as there is definitely interest in him and his page is consulted on a daily basis. As a matter of interest, hear him singing in an Armenian Ottoman dialect that even I can't understand most of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAvmrBuO1n8 ] (]) 17:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Certainly an Anatolian (S/SE) musical tradition. Some folk songs ("türkü"ler) by ] may remind you of him. I have no special desire to propose the article for deletion, but it has to be sourced. Take your time and find sources; no hurry. If you cannot and it is deleted, people still may look for him at the Youtube. I will also listen to more songs... Best. --] (]) 18:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::Thanks arkadaş. Yes. It's good you were reminded by Ibo's work. Is Ibo doing better after he was subject of an assassination attempt? I also remember Küçük Ibo who sang some of his songs and got fame when he was a kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLYe9aqGreY . I remember him from shows on TRT. Is Küçük Ibo still around? Just curious.... Yes, I love that period of music when we had Zeki Müren, Orhan Gencebay, Neşe Karaböcek, Nuri Sesigüzel, Hülya Avşar, Ajda Pekkan lol. As for Eurovision, I think they should send Hayko Cepkin singing something like "Aşk Kitabı" with Nilüfer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S5lPrC0T-A . They will charm all Europe... Or Hayko singing a masterpiece like "Melekler" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQ8AjdIWDg LOL ] (]) 20:32, 6 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Man, I had no idea about İbo junior, I vaguely remember ; you certainly are more familiar than me with that subculture. However, I remember very well a teenager called "Sokak Çocuğu Ali" who sang a song with the repetition "Kör olası çöpçüler, aşkımı süpürdüler". As regards ] we are not participating this year, protesting the changes in voting procedure. If we participated, your ideas could be fine musicwise but I am afraid Hayko Cepkin could frighten the jury with his looks and garments (he does frighten me :-). C'mon, to look for sources... Best. --] (]) 21:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC) |
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==MfD nomination of ]== |
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], a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for ]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at ] and please be sure to ] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). You are free to edit the content of ] during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.<!-- Template:MFDWarning --> ] (]) 23:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Hmmm. Looks like I have succeeded in notifying myself about my proposal of deleting my own talk. :-) Indeed what should be deleted is the falsified pic. Thanks. --] (]) 00:18, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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==Image== |
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The file above is hosted on Commons, so I nominated it for deletion there. For future reference, images go to ] unless they're hosted on commons, in which case you just nominate them there. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>(])</sup> 02:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thank you very much, Bobby. Despite your user name you seem to be a very kind person. When I saw the "Ten Pound Hammer" I thought "What did I screw up again"? :-) Best. --] (]) 09:42, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Still need help? == |
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Hey whats up, E4024!? I've actually gotten a lot better. Do you still need help with what you are working on? I'd love to help out, though. ] (]) 22:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Of course, why not. Please read the ]'s TP and begin with contributions and c/e, if you have time. You will also see that we have successfully began an article on ] which also would welcome a helping hand. Girl power is always very appreciated. I'm happy to hear you're feeling better. :-) --] (]) 22:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Arbitration enforcement discretionary sanction: Indefinite topic ban == |
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For the reasons detailed in the , you are indefinitely ] with respect to everything related to Turkey, Greece and Armenia, including but not limited to people or groups from or related to these countries, or these countries' historical or recent conflicts. This ban is imposed under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decisions at ] (as concerns Greece/Turkey) and ] (as concerns Armenia/Turkey). Please make sure to read the policy page ] to make sure that you know what a topic ban entails. If you violate the topic ban, you may be blocked for up to a year without further warning. This sanction may be appealed as described at ]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== '''DISCUSSING ARTICLES''' == |
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'''ALL EDITORS PLEASE USE ARTICLE TALK PAGES FOR DISCUSSING EDITS. IF I HAVE MADE AN EDIT IN AN ARTICLE, THAT MEANS I AM FOLLOWING THAT ARTICLE AND NATURALLY ITS TALK PAGE ALSO. THANK YOU ALL.''' |
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== February 2013 == |
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<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> To enforce an ] decision, and for violating your topic ban from Turkey-related topics by ] and other Turkey-related articles, ]you have been ''']''' from editing for '''2 weeks'''. You are welcome to ] once the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the ] and then appeal your block using the instructions there. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 06:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC) <hr/><p><small>'''Reminder to administrators:''' In March 2010, ArbCom adopted a ] "from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as WP:AN or WP:ANI). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the proper page." Administrators who reverse an arbitration enforcement block, such as this one, without clear authorisation will be summarily desysopped.</small></div><!-- Template:uw-aeblock --> |
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==Oh my God!== |
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Oh my God, I have been blocked for editing ]! Oh my God, I have been blocked for wikilinking a Turkish female writer to the article ]! Oh my God, I have been blocked '''two weeks''' for this grave offense! Oh my God, I have been recommended to '''make useful contributions'''! Oh my God, but when I created the article ] I thought I had made a '''useful contribution'''... Oh my God, when I created more of these ] articles -like ] or ]- and/or developed them or when I asked other friends to open the articles ] or ] so that I could build them, or when I asked a colleague to open the ] to continue shaping it myself I always thought I made ''useful contributions'' to WP; because I believed in the importance of education and the primordial place of women to educate and change a society (like the one where I am being ousted for not being a stone head). Oh my God, when I opened my very first WP article ] I thought I made a ''useful contribution'' to WP with an article on Turkish-Greek friendship, because all I had seen before was hatred! Now I hope I will not be blocked for using ](!!!) ! --] (]) 18:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Many snow-skiing instructors will tell you that if you are not falling down, you are not pushing yourself, not challenged yourself to do more. So...you fell down!. It's not a big deal. Pick yourself up and continue. The best advice is ]. ```]<small>]</small> 13:14, 26 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thanks Buster, please give a hug to little ] from my part. --] (]) 15:44, 4 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== Tak == |
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I feel your pain, bro. ] (]) 22:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I sure have a feeling; but I would not call it pain. I incline more towards having pity or compassion with some, but not for myself, at all... --] (]) 22:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Bağlama == |
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Hello, I received your off-Wiki email concerning the ] article. I am not really sure what you meant, but keep in mind that this sort of solicitation (especially since you've already been blocked) gives the appearance of ]. While this may have not been your intention, it is very likely to reflect badly upon yourself and anyone else who might become involved. Thanks, -- ] ] 15:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC) |
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: Having also reviewed your topic ban, and given that the requested edits were related to Turkey, I would also say that this sort of solicitation is ill-advised, ''at best'' and may constitute further breach of said ban. -- ] ] 15:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:: You mean removing the redundant WLs in the article? Be careful with the gyros (food) you're eating nowadays. There's a meat puppetry (horse meat for pork and others) these days in all the old continent. Take care. --] (]) 15:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:::BTW even an admin with the hardest stone head would not think any instrument belongs only to one country. If one blocks me for editing a musical instrument article that means WP is not worth to lose my precious time. --] (]) 13:54, 4 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== You have been mentioned == |
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You have been mentioned . Best, ] (]) 23:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC) |
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:I would not be mentioned anywhere if you had not written unnecessary stuff on my user page. Before disrupting user pages of people please first check their previous contributions and also learn to use talk pages instead. --] (]) 13:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== Mentioned == |
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Manipulate me? Nobody can manipulate me! Nobody, and less a chauvinist irredentist ] who is around with a shameful defamation agenda. Sorry, I had to say this; no names, no hard feelings... --] (]) 10:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC) |
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