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Suspected sockpuppeteer

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Suspected sockpuppets

HumanThing (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
DelloJello (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
TL500 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

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· j e r s y k o talk · 20:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Evidence

• Talk:John Edwards#Mrs. Edwards's cancer (and related comments)

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• Talk:Barack Obama#Law firm

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• Three of them appear to have taken an interest in Lake City, Seattle, Washington

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• Two have edited Calvert DeForest and its talk page (though there was no content dispute).

Comments

I am making this report because I suspect, but am by no means certain, that Dereks1x is using sockpuppets to attempt to gain advantages in content disputes. The alleged socks have advanced positions remarkably similar to Dereks1x's on relevant talk pages while most other editors that have participated in the relevant discussions have reached opposite conclusions. · j e r s y k o talk · 20:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments by Dereks1x

New evidence (presented by accused)

• RE: Edwards: Three of four users involvement were very, very minimal and three of them never wrote anything on the actual article, which is what readers look at.

• RE: Obama: But one of them never had ANY contact at all with Obama and two of them have very minor contact with the topic but only on the talk page, not on the actual article. Only one of them voted once for one of the dozen topics, the other three NEVER voted. For the remainder of the voting, none of the users ever voted.

• RE: Calvert DeForest was on all the network news and on the internet because he just died. Millions of people knew the guy.

• The accused, Derek, has NEVER said that TL500, HumanThing, or DelloJello are in support of his views, claiming they "share opinions". In fact, they pretty much stay away from each other. There has been very, very minor crossing of paths of the accused in the case of Obama or Edwards (not both), both very public figures.

• DelloJello just writes about Illinois topics and doesn't seem to be very political. Only once wrote on Obama and that was just the discussion page, NOT the acutal article. Nobody else among the accused EVER writes anything about Illinois.

• HumanThing writes about Florida topics and Sarah Palin. Only had 2 minor John Edwards entries. Nobody else among the accused EVER writes about Florida.

• This TL500 person is pretty much an airline person and stays far, far away from politics. TL500 isn't involved in any argument with ANYONE. TL500 seems to only write about airlines and very obscure aircraft. In fact, I never even heard of the VFW614! TL500's airline article are also NEVER written by any of the other accused. If there's anyone to feel sorry about, I feel sorry for TL500 because TL500 is just minding their own business and writing about aircraft that I never even heard of.

Comments from the accused, Dereks1x

• According to the complainer's comments, he is trying to crush all discussion by accusing anyone that respectfully disagrees as being wikipedia criminals. See what jersyko says above..."alleged socks (or anyone who jersyko doesn't like) ...have reached opposite conclusions (as the people that jersyko agrees with)"

That accusation is not relevant because all editing has been done by consensus and compromise (there has been NO to "gain advantages in content disputes". For example, the part about Senator Obama's legal career 15 years ago was edited many times but has stabilized. So has the discussion about Mrs. Edwards' new cancer metastasis. So there is no evidence of disruption, just good old fashioned discussion and revisions. Misplaced Pages editing has been done by consensus (in the articles named, NO voting has EVER been done by the accused, Dereks1x). The accused has even publically accepted compromise language and has stated that while not in complete agreement, believes the compromise language is ok. Furthermore, the accused follows a policy of presenting slight revisions as compromise language and never, or at least recently, never just blanket deletes stuff as others have done to Derek's contributions.

• Jersyko and Bobbelhead and Tvoz are also talkers about this. Even Ecostaz talked about cancer. They are equally suspicious if we are accusing others of being sockpuppets. The main dispute seems to be that Jersyko doesn't like Dereks1x discussion about Edwards and Obama even though everything is logical, civil, and not disruptive. Bobbelhead has written in the talk page of Lake City so why can't Bobblehead be a puppet?

• However, the main accused, the Osama bin Laden of the terrorist cell is supposed to be Dereks1x. And they are wrong. Derek is no Osama. Derek is unique in writing about some very, very obscure topics and articles such as Glaxo, Surrender Document, United States, Carrasco, Parke-Davis, Dunlop Tyres, Sidley Austin, Kathryn Kuhlmann, Oral Roberts, Oral Roberts University, Commonwealth of Nations, Paula Jones, etc. NONE of the other people accused EVER write about ANY of this stuff.

• Topic-wise, TL500 is an airliner person. HumanThing writes about Florida. DelloJello writes about Illinois and only writes about Mrs. Obama because she's from Illinois. Dereks1x writes about very unusual mix of topics all different from the other accused. The only thing that's not an unusual topic is that Derek writes about presidential candidate Edwards' wife's cancer and put more specifics about Obama's early law career 15 years ago. If he is persecuted for that, he is being persecuted for free speech, for saying very logical and non-radical things.

In summary,

• 1. This is aggression by Jersyko because nothing bad has been done. Jersyko is just accusing people who disagrees with him (he says that all who I disagree are sockpuppets and those who agree with me are not sockpuppets...look at his accusation, under "comments"
• Jersyko, Bobblehead, Tvoz have made some nasty comments about me regarding the John Edwards article. Maybe that's why Jersyko and her friends are mad? Are they the same person???? That's very suspicious, the link between Jersyko, Tvoz, and to some extent, Bobblehead.
• 2. As further evidence of aggression by Jersyko, he keeps erasing evidence that I present in my defense. He's a lawyer and should know better. Suprresion of evidence and destroying evidence by Jersyko, alone, is sufficient evidence that this complaint should be dismissed.
• 3. Jersyko should be banned as an administrator for making a very serious false accusation, which takes a long time to defend.
• 4. People look at each others' contributions and then think "oh, I have an idea about that subject"
• 5. Bobblehead also wrote along with Derek in the talk page of an obscure article, Lake City Seattle Washington. Why isn't Bobblehead being accused of being a sockpuppet?
• 6. I NEVER vote in wikipedia polls regarding whether a political issue is or is not notable. So it's impossible that I'm attempting to gain influence in spinning an article.
• 7. I've done nothing disruptive. All contributions have been sensible, not radical or communist. I have never committed any type of vandalism.
• 8. I don't have control over others at work who may or may not be contributing.
• 9. I contribute to some very obscure wikipedia articles that NOBODY else does. Such as Falklands Surrender Document, Glaxo, Kathryn Kulmann, Dunlop tires.
• 10. Although I have no control over DelloJello and HumanThing and TL500, I see that they all write about completely different stuff from me. They seem polite, non-disruptive, and good people
• 11. VERY IMPORTANT: The main dispute by the complainer is that he doesn't like Derek's quite logical and very politely written comments about being accurate as far as Mrs. Edwards' cancer and to accurately describe Obama's previous law career of 15 years ago. That's all. All very above board and legal.
• 12. Even a supporter of Jersyko supports me when they write on Jersyko's talk page "It would only untoward if Jersyko blocked you for disruption.--Bobblehead 23:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)". In otherwords, it is inappropriate for me to be blocked as I have not been disruptive or sockpuppeting.
• 13. (Now for the technicalities: Misplaced Pages says: Use of sock puppets is discouraged in most cases. The reason for discouraging sock puppets is to prevent abuses such as a person voting more than once in a poll, or using multiple accounts to circumvent Misplaced Pages policies or cause disruption-----I am being accused some something which is only discouraged, not illegal. I have never voted in a poll, much less voted more than once. I can only see where one of the accused voted one time, the other never voted. No policy has been circumvented. No disruption has occurred. All of my posts, particularly the recent ones that I remember very well, have been all logical, non-disruptive, and polite. The entries of the other accused that I have seen are also logical and polite among the ones that I searched. Based on this, the accusation should be dropped)Dereks1x 00:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Conclusions