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Issue with the International Criminal Court Section, on the Hazara Massacres

There is an issue with this article, under the International Criminal Court section. There are two entries, "Darfur, Sudan" and also "Massacres of Hazaras and other groups by the Taliban"

The leading paragraph to the section notes " The ICC can only prosecute crimes committed on or after 1 July 2002." Essentially the ICC's jurisdiction only extends from after that date. "Darfur, Sudan" is relevant here, the massacres in question started September 2003, as noted in the article, which places them firmly under ICC jurisdiction.

However the portion on "Massacres of Hazaras and other groups by the Taliban" is not at all relevant, it doesn't fit in this section. The ICC had no jurisdiction at the period of time these massacres were occurring, as stated in the article between 1996 and 2001. The Hazara massacres would be appropriately covered elsewhere in this article, but not under the International Criminal Court section. This article should be re-worked and the section on "Massacres of Hazaras and other groups by the Taliban" should be moved elsewhere in the article, in ascending date order under Section 2: the Post-World War II. Probably immediate after Cambodia but before International Criminal Court. - KJS ml343x (talk) 01:54, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the "Ukrainian genocide" claim

Since several have stated that Russia's actions in Ukraine constitute genocide (most prominently US President Joe Biden), we should probably start discussing at what threshold should we affirm that claim and add the Russian invasion of Ukraine to this list. I'm personally on the fence, since while there is a good amount of evidence of Russian war crimes, I'm unaware of any evidence of attempted ethnic cleansing or anything of the sort. While this is a tragedy regardless, we need to not oversell it and become a source of misinformation. What are others' thoughts on the matter? Kirbanzo  20:32, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe the Russians' current actions qualify as genocide. "What Russia should do with Ukraine", an article published by state-owned RIA on the same day the Bucha massacre became known to the world, very explicitly describes Ukraine as a nation with no right to exist and calls for it to be destroyed through partition (all under Russia obviously), widespread executions and other killings through Joseph Stalin-style forced labor, "brutal" censorship, suppression and destruction of all types of cultural expression, and finally erasing the very word Ukraine from existence, which would also kill any memory of it having existed in the first place. Killings in occupied places such as Bucha very much resemble early attempts at this, having been carried out by so-called soldiers on pretty much any civilian they happened to spot, despite this type of mass murder of having little to no positive effect on any war effort.

The things I listed above, all based on verified reports and independent analyses of Russian-published media, go beyond mere ethnic cleansing. I'm averse to misinformation on Misplaced Pages too and usually avoid controversial topics, but tell me: if these things do not qualify as genocide, what does? Glades12 (talk) 20:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I am now more inclined to include it. On May 27, 2022, a report by New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy and Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights concluded that there were reasonable grounds to find that Russia breached two articles of the 1948 Genocide Convention, by publicly inciting genocide through denial of the right of Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation to exist, and by the forcible transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia, which is a genocidal act under article II of the convention.. As such, it should be in this article.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 15:40, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Moving the Tigray War section

Since the Tigray War only started in 2020, shouldn't the section on it be moved to Genocides in history (21st century)? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

A proposed reorganization

I think it would be more intuitive to make the "since 1951" section of the article a major section and modify the underlying headers accordingly. That way, it would be clearer that, for example, the segment talking about Tibet is a sub-section of the discussion of the People's Republic of China. Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 03:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Genocides in history (1946 to 1999)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Genocides in history (1946 to 1999)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "kaplan":

• From Saur Revolution: Kaplan, Robert D. (1990). Soldiers of God: With Islamic Warriors in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. pp. 115–116. ISBN 978-0395521328. Retrieved 17 March 2018.
• From Indigenous peoples of the Americas: Kaplam, Lawrence (2002). "Inuit or Eskimo: Which names to use?". Alaska Native Language Center, University of Alaska Fairbanks. Archived from the original on 1 March 2009. Retrieved 6 April 2007.
• From Cambodia: Kaplan, Robert D. (1996) The Ends of the Earth, Vintage, 1996, p. 406, ISBN 0679751238.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Something up with the bottom part of the article

For some reason, the bottom of the article seems to have copied much of Genocides in history, along with a redundant section on the Cambodian genocide that was already discussed further up the page. There are also sections that, as written, seem more appropriate for the discussion of genocide prosecution than the actual genocides themselves. Should we remove and edit these parts? 204.13.204.194 (talk) 18:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Reference problems and Attribution

I've fixed a lot of the reference problems in this article, there are a few more to go. It looks like lots of this article was copied from other content by PK2 without mentioning the source article. Remember that we need to attribute copied material, per Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. -- Mikeblas (talk) 01:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

When are forced sterilizations genocide?

I see that a couple of sections about forced sterilization were added and subsequently removed, on the grounds that they were not genocidal. However, multiple other forced sterilization campaigns remain listed here. When is a forced sterilization campaign considered an act of genocide, and when is it not? Are there elements that mean some should be listed here but not others? Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Are there sections needing rewriting?

There are a few sections in this article, specifically the ones focusing on the Cambodian genocide, Bosnian genocide and Rwandan genocide that seem to be focusing more on the prosecutions of the perpetrators. This seems to be because they were copied from the main article. Should they be rewritten? 204.13.204.194 (talk) 22:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of the Sabra and Shatila massacre

The section on the Sabra and Shatila massacre was removed due to a lack of broader consensus that it was a genocide and the undue weight given to one source. However, looking at the article, I have seen it called a genocide by other sources. With this in mind, should it be re-added? 204.13.204.194 (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Palestinians

The section on Palestinians has been repeatedly edit-warred out of the article by Dovidroth, an editor working for the National Library of Israel. Perhaps the editor could use his library access to read this recently published book – Bartov, Omer (2023). Genocide, the Holocaust and Israel-Palestine: First-Person History in Times of Crisis. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 978-1-350-33233-1.

This is a highly insensitive time for such an attempted removal, as many public commentators are claiming the genocide of Palestinians is being driven at its fastest ever rate right now.

Applying Dovidroth’s argument that whether the long-term actions against Palestinians constitute genocide is disputed across this whole article would remove about half of it. A large proportion of genocides are disputed. Perhaps Dovidroth could explain whether he has applied the same lens to the rest of this article and why he is singling our Palestinians here?

Onceinawhile (talk) 07:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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