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October 2023

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Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 29#Category:Bohemian lawyers

Hello, LaundryPizza03,

You closed this CFD discussion as "Rename and Merge" but instead Category:15th-century Bohemian lawyers was emptied and the new category was never created. Can you look into why this instruction wasn't carried out as you requested? Thank you. Liz 01:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

@Liz: According to the page history , the user Smasongarrison (talk · contribs) did all the processing about half an hour before you deleted the category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

My understanding was that both were to be merged into the renamed Lawyers from Bohemia, so there wasn't a new category to create. Mason (talk) 04:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Listification of category:Uses of animals in warfare

That turns out to be unnecessary, as all three entries are already mentioned in Military animal. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:19, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Template:Rasborinae-stub

Hello, LaundryPizza03,

You tagged this template for deletion but it linked to a CFD discussion, not a TFD discussion. I'm not sure this deletion has been discussed among the folks at TFD. I see deletion is mentioned at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2023/September but a WikiProject doesn't have the right to order a page deletion. Could you bring this up at TFD? Thank you. Liz 21:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

According to the WP:CFD rules, stub types are nominated for deletion at CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Future for Ukraine

Hi there.

I edited https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Future_for_Ukraine_Charity_Foundation . Could you review this article? -- Niveus (talk) 08:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Niveus: I'm not experienced with reviewing drafts, and I don't speak Ukrainian. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on PT Puppis

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Category deletion

Hi, LaundryPizza03, how are you? I see that you've tagged several categories for deletion as sock creations – for which thank you! – but that no-one seems to want to delete them. That could be because they are not empty (it is in my case, anyway, reluctant to leave a mess of redlinks). Would you care to empty them, perhaps by just reverting edits such as this? I've tried to do so with Kill-it-with-fire, but with only partial success. I'm afraid the rest may need to be done manually ... Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

About your self-reverted relist

Hey LaundryPizza03, I noticed you trying to relist that massive RfD. I'd hold off on that, as the discussion has already been open for a month, and there's been ample argument. I'm actually in the process of writing up a closing note for it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Deaths by country

We have many articles directly in deaths by country. Algeria might lead right now with 12. However, what if the article is specifically on a death, not a bio? Can such an article be placed directly in a death category based on where it occured?John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert: Sounds plausible, but I don't know. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Challenging your close

Hello LaundryPizza03. I noticed you closed Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 9#Category:Politicians' deaths due to animal attacks. I think such action is controversial because you are the nominator in the directly connected Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 13#Category:Politicians' deaths from disease. Editors participating in the first one are also participating in the second one with same or similar arguments, like "trivial intersection". I even requested for said motive of duplication that you merged your nomination discussion with Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 11#Category:Politicians killed in duels but I did not even receive any answer from you. All of these discussions are under the parent Category:Politicians by cause of death and have many of the same participants making the same or similar arguments. See WP:OVERLAP, WP:SEETALK. I think ideally the same uninvolved editor should close all of these discussions after analyzing the threads. Therefore, per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE, I challenge your close. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent removal of my lawn post

hi, you recently removed one of my posts and I wanted to get more specifics about why since your message was vague. I have to create posts for an assignment in one of my classes and I was using an article that we had read to create my post. I can share the details of my assignment if that would help you understand why I posted what I did.

if you do not agree that my post should be up could you at least point me in the direction of where I can see what I had written... i spent a lot of time adding my citations to my work and would like to see where all that work went

thank you PrestotheUnicorn (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrestotheUnicorn: You could rewrite existing sections of the article, which in the case of Lawn are currently poorly referenced. Recall that you are writing an encyclopedia, not a collection of essays. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

but how can i view the work i did and all the citations i added PrestotheUnicorn (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@PrestotheUnicorn: You can load the page history by clicking "View history" at the top of the article; this button appears at the bottom on mobile view, being represented by a clock. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Jurists

Hi, all your speedy renames need to be reversed. You are using the word "jurist" incorrectly, at least from a British and Commonwealth perspective. A jurist is usually an academic. DuncanHill (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Please appeal to CfD full discussion. This would entail all of the subcategories of Category:Jurists that are not specialized by occupation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Tonga

Tonga was bot formed in 1970. Tonga was unified as a Kingdom in 1845. It did have a Protectorate relationship with the United Kingdom from 1900-1970, but the same royal family ruled before, during and after that time. No one would question calling a Tongan writer at any point from 1845 on a Tongn writer. The same with a scientist, politician or basically any other occupation. Whether a country with less than 150,000 residents, with maybe an additional 300,000 overseas expatriates who might in some cases qualify for occupational categories actually has enough notable people in any occupation to make splitting categories by century reasonable is another question, and maybe 1845 is not far enough back to really reasonably have by century categories, but Tonga is not a 20th-century creation, but clearly a 19th-century one, although there was a defined Tongan people before 1845.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

OK. Oddly enough the 20th-century African-American women musicians cat does not exist. 20th-century African-American women singers does. I just found that Kandi Burruss despite being in 36 categories was in violation of ERGS rules. She was in only 20th-century African-American women singers and no other 20th century Category at all. I put her in 20th century American women singers. I think that we gave agreed that singers, actresses/actors and models we can put in gender specific categories without having to put them in a gender neutral category, unlike writers, scientists and politicians (because of how we have politician categories for specific offices held, that is one of the more ERGS compliant cat systems period). The reasons we allow this are not quite the same as for sports. Sports is by league, and so essentially men play men, women play women. For singers I think the easiest way to explain why the system works is we have cats for tenors, sopranos etc, where the voice is gender specific, so we really do not need gender neutral. We do for non-singwrs like pianists, habits, banjoists, mandolinists, drummers,violinists etc. In fact I would say the need to split singers by gender is clear, in some other music professions it is justifiable, maybe not hapists or Bautists, but it can be argued case by case. I suspect a literature and other materials search would show we can justify female drummers cats but not make drummer cats. At one point there was a Category for 20th-century African-American women opera singers, and I believe 19th and 21st century sister cats. I was able to argue those to get upmergwd as a violation of the last rung rule.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

• • I maybe should have placed the above elsewhere. African-American male opera singers has 41 articles and African-American female opera singers has 78 articles. Before merging there were many articles in 2 by century cats, and most had been diffused out of the ethnic neutral parent cats. However there are also the Century and ethnic neutral voice range cats, so most articles were at least in a non-ethnic separating sub-cat of American opera singers. That is about the only set of singers who are likely to be fully diffused by voice range, maybe the Classical music singers as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Togo and Senegal

Neither Senegal nor Togo were created in 1960. Both exist as colonial units prior to that date. Both have no pre-colonial equivalents. This is not Rwanda which does. Some events in the 1950s and 1960s involve Senegal trying to merge with either French Soudan/Mali or the Gambia, showing that the co vept of Senegal as a unit was not clear at that point. However while someone from Senegal in 1945 could be plaved in a category for people from French West African, I think we could argue a writer who was born in the French Colony of Senegal in 1925 was a Senegalese writer, and it makes sense to place him in a category that groups him with another writer born in 1965 and another born in 1995, even if the 1925 born writer spent most of his adult life in France itself. Togo is even messier, since while France had Goree Island from 1677, and began to move onto the mainland in the 1850s, but does not conquers and control modern Senegal really until the 1890s, in Togo until 1884 Togoville is an inconsequential local village, where the Gwemans negotiate a treaty with the village leader. However they control the modern Togo boundaries and beyond by 1905. Things get tricky because in World War I Togo is switched to French and Britsh control. The British area later merged in 1957 with Gold Coast to form Ghana, appropriating an old name for an empire that was actually in modern Ghana and maybe Senegal. The start date for Togo I would say is no later than 1905. However since guidelines say we should not create by century categories where we cannot reasonably expect at least 3 categories, I think we really cannot justify any such categories for either Senegal or Togo. Since Dakar was electing Deputies to the French Assembly I believe from the birth of the 3rd Republic, there might be 3 centuries of Senegalese politician categories that could be created, but I doubt anything else. I have to wonder of we really should allow by century categories at all for some occupations. I really thing we at least need to consider doing away with ERGS type by century cats. Especially ones like 20th-century African-American female musicians. To properly comply with non-diffusing rules a person in that cat needs to be in a 20th-century American musicians, 20th-century American female musicians, and 20th-century African-American musicians, or non-specified sub-cats, just being in American banjoists and American female banjoists and African American banjoists, and Blues banjoists, and American rock and roll banjoists is not going to cut it, if there are no other by century sub-cats besides 20th-century African-American female musicians, and we can only hope she was born before 1930 and died by 1999, but hopefully not before 1900, because you know even if she did one concert after Jan. 1, 2000 or only performed in local school functions before 1900 someone is going to feel the need to but her in another 4 by century sub-cats.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

One more thought on music categories

In theory as you diffuse categories to small sub-sets, like Dutch blues mandolinists, the last I checked there was 1 article on a Dutch mandolinist, and it was in this sub-cat, so in theory this sub-cat avoids having the article in 3 cats that would be larges, blues musicians, duch musicians and mandolinists. So the theory is by allowing this 1 article sub-cat where at least 1 parent cat has no direct articles and just 1 sub-cat we cut down on Category clutter on the individual article level. The reality is some of the most overcategorized articles we have, only exceeded by long serving British politicians and well traveling monarchs who were awarded an honorary award in each country they visited, and Musicians. Alliwing these hyper small categories does not solve issues, but I think allows people to use their imagination in classifying by every instrument and creating 1 song geners.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Madonna and Jennifer López are both literally in over 70 categories. One reason for this, although it only adds maybe 4 categories is that we for some reason Categorize musicians by record label.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Lopez' husband Ben Affleck is in the slightly more reasonable number of categories, 57. Even that is partly driven by classifying him as "from" several different places, and then as a male actor, director and maybe some other rings from each. A few other cats, like American poker player, strike me as being non-defining in his case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Winston Churchill is in 108 categories. If that is not a record we have a problem.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)