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	::::::Hey there makeandtoss, (by the way, is Makeandtoss like Make-And-Toss? Just curious, you don't have to answer - just important to lighten the mood you know ;) ).		::::::Hey there makeandtoss, (by the way, is Makeandtoss like Make-And-Toss? Just curious, you don't have to answer - just important to lighten the mood you know ;) ).
	::::::So please take note of the above discussions and also check the history of the article prior to saying I'm edit warring. Please note that following changes by إيان the user إيان 's version was challenged and opened a discussion in which 3 editors (I among them) have taken time to explain the problem. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ] (]) 12:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)		::::::So please take note of the above discussions and also check the history of the article prior to saying I'm edit warring. Please note that following changes by إيان the user إيان 's version was challenged and opened a discussion in which 3 editors (I among them) have taken time to explain the problem. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ] (]) 12:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
			:::::The Weasel word is: '''entered'''. Instead of attacked or invaded. The changing of text and removal of content specifically: ''invaded the newborn state,<ref name="ReferenceA" /><ref name="Gelber2006p138" /> and immediately attacked Jewish settlements'' . If one would use the word entered and remove the content on the attacks on Jewish towns/villages etc... It would be unclear what was the fighting, unclear regarding situation and serious risk of misinforming. ] (]) 12:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Introduction seems weird - cart before horse

"seven Jews were killed in the Fajja bus attacks by Arab militants in an incident regarded as the first in the civil war. This attack was retaliation to the assassination of five members of an Arab family, suspected of being British informants, by Lehi on 19 November. "

Reworded. Selfstudier (talk) 15:12, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Zionist “Selfstudier” keeps deleting my post

This person that i mentioned his name keep deleting my post regarding the issues i had with the article claiming that “its not a forum”. i have legitimate concerns regarding the article and this is the section where its supposed to be discussed. Im sorry you don’t like facts Selfstudier but I don’t think you are here to control the narrative, claims made and specifically the number should be backed up with references or citations to back them up, you can’t just pull a number out of your head and post it because it sounds better for your side. Like I mentioned earlier alot of the numbers on pages regarding this issue specifically are one sides and outright fake and in the coming days I will be visiting every wiki page regarding this issue with the real numbers and I will back them up with neutral unbiased sources. Im sorry, Im not here to shatter your unreasonable claims, Im here only to try to promote truth and ethical documentation of major historical events that effect our lives to this day and wiki is often being referenced so its only fair to scrutinize the claims made and the people in control of the page for obvious reasons 94.21.249.70 (talk) 18:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Speculating about the political motivations of an editor constitutes a WP:Personal attack. If you have a concern about the content of the article, keep your talk page discussion focused on that.

alot of the numbers on pages regarding this issue specifically are one sides and outright fake—if this is the case, you need to support your claims by citing wp:reliable sources. إيان (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

1948 Arab–Israeli War#First phase: 15 May – 11 June 1948

Dovidroth, if you would like to discuss my edits to 1948 Arab–Israeli War#First phase: 15 May – 11 June 1948, which you reverted with the explanation Rv undiscussed, POV changes trying to justify invasion, better before you are welcome to do so.
The main issue with that section was that the text treated the topic as if there wasn't a war already well under way. As I explained in my edit summaries, Dershowitz is not a historian and there is no citation for Morris. The claim that the Arab armies invaded Israel also fails verification, as the title of the source is literally "The Arab Regular Armies' Invasion of Palestine". إيان (talk) 12:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Dovidroth was right. I don't know what Dershowitz has to do with that, but your version is a serious POV whitewashing of what happened. The word 'invasion' is widely used by the sources as you admitted (as opposed to the euphemistic "entry") and the Arab forces attacked Jewish villages and populations located beyond the proposed Arab state by the UN partition plan (which was rejected by all Arab states). They even bombed Tel Aviv. If you want, feel free to change "invaded Palestine" instead of the "newborn state" which they intended to annihilate. פעמי-עליון (talk) 08:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no rule against quoting Dershowitz, but your version has POV, as @פעמי-עליון has pointed out. There is no consensus for the content you added, and until you achieve consensus, it cannot be adder per WP:ONUS. Dovidroth (talk) 09:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I have looked at the changes. The change you introduced was a serious POV. I think @פעמי-עליון explained the situation well. Homerethegreat (talk) 09:12, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

I think that the edits of إيان have merit. I restored some of the changes here. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:31, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

The other changes made by إيان have been restored by User:Makeandtoss - Special:MobileDiff/1191907207. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 15:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Whilst we are still having a discussion! This is not the way to move forward and work together. Makeandtoss introduced weasel words and a serious POV which was already raised above. Homerethegreat (talk) 08:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

What specifically about the changes are POV or weasel words? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 08:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Homerethegreat: This is completely the other away around; this is the longstanding version you have been removing while a discussion is ongoing. You do not have consensus for these nonsensical changes that portray the war in complete sync with Zionist mythology that has been debunked by old and new historians. It is you who is edit warring, so please revert yourself before further steps are taken. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:15, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey there makeandtoss, (by the way, is Makeandtoss like Make-And-Toss? Just curious, you don't have to answer - just important to lighten the mood you know ;) ).

So please take note of the above discussions and also check the history of the article prior to saying I'm edit warring. Please note that following changes by إيان the user إيان 's version was challenged and opened a discussion in which 3 editors (I among them) have taken time to explain the problem. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. Homerethegreat (talk) 12:07, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

The Weasel word is: entered. Instead of attacked or invaded. The changing of text and removal of content specifically: invaded the newborn state, and immediately attacked Jewish settlements . If one would use the word entered and remove the content on the attacks on Jewish towns/villages etc... It would be unclear what was the fighting, unclear regarding situation and serious risk of misinforming. Homerethegreat (talk) 12:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Cite error: The named reference Gelber2006p138 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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