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	What are not correct, Cretan women and man do only have abdominal belt. And perhaps the abdominal belt unly are a style, because naturalisme is a modern style.
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	== sources ==
			== Men beginning to wear corsets? ==

			How common was the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830)? I can’t remember any contemporary depictions showing men with any exaggeratedly narrow waist. If you compensate for the typical three to five layers of clothes their waists become comparable to those of indigenous peoples living in areas so hot that humans don’t need any clothes. Consequentially, these peoples ether practice natural nudity or wear only a ] or a clothing item comparable to present Western underpants. Since they wear very little – if anything at all – their waists probably represent the natural state of the male body. It was not until after 1830 that Western men begun to be portrayed with an exaggeratedly narrow waist. Then I can imagine them wearing corsets but before that it would have been superfluous. Anyone who can verify?
	what's the source that supports "There have been documented examples of women shrinking their waists as small as 16" through corset training."?

			2009-08-23 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	http://spook.dk/
	http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery05/polaire/polaire4.jpg polaire do have 13"

			:I know many books which tell about the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830), but the only primary source is a printed joke by a lace scene. I have two photos of men by exaggeratedly narrow waist. Haabet 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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			I consider these to be exceptions from the norm of indigenous peoples in hot climates having natural waists.
	and what's the source for "Corsets go back as far as 2000 B.C., when Cretan women wore them to emphasize their breasts and hips."

			2010-02-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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			I think even if they are exceptions to the norm, they are still important to include in the article. This way people can know about, consider, and discuss it. ] (]) 11:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
	Any serious, it is only a big loincloth.

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	What are the sources for cartilage softening from corset wearing? I do know that the muscles getting weak will be a problem, if the corset is worn almost always and the wearer do sports to compensate for the inactivity of e.g. stomach muscles.

			:] --] <sup>(])</sup> 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
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	Me is the sources of "cartilage softening from corset wearing"
	The stomach muscles do quickly grow is the woman take off the corset, and been too strong to the softed chest.

			LOL pwned. ] (]) 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
	If the corset is correctly, the softed chest work as to compensate for the inactivity of e.g. stomach muscles. The alternative of the nature is death of the pregnant womman. About 10 or 20 % of all women do have a softed chest, to some extent. specially sports women.

			The Nude pictures are important to show of the effect of corsets.Haabet 16:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
	It is correct as the softed chest is not generally accepted, because the model of human being by the doctors is a man, and the model of woman by the doctors is a man by womb.

			== image display ==
	The doctor do only see the a hysterical women, because no is broke, but the women, feel as she been strangled by a ring round the chest, and do been hysterical.

			Would it make sense to move the column of images on the right, which randomly illustrate corsets, into a gallery section? As they are now they muck up the "edit" buttons for about 5 sections. ] (]) 02:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
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			:Most of the "History" section have need to move to the Corset History article.Haabet 07:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

			is the image of the 'corset made by corseteirre in 2005' etc etc really needed? it seems like someone is using wikipedia as a free edvertising place...] (]) 12:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
	== Meaning of sentence ==

			== Corset vendors ==
	:"The corset was originally stiff, later of stretched silk."

			I've removed the sections containing links to corset vendors, per ]. I do not believe that links to vendor web sites are appropriate. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">--] (])</span> 22:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
	Can anyone explain what this sentence is supposed to mean? Otherwise I think it should be deleted as nonsense. ] 01:02, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
			:Seconded. ] (]) 23:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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	A possible origin of corset is a shining armour by cover of silk.

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	:Sorry, that doesn't make much sense to me either. Do you mean that corsets may have evolved from plate-armour as worn by knights, covered with silk? ] 19:55, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

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			In the Notes section the fourth bullet- "History of Tightlacing". Retrieved August 11, 2015- doesn't link to anything, or it is expired. Without reference to more scholarly work, or anything to back up the claim, no one can trace the work. I don't know what the original site was so I cannot go out to find it but updating sources so that people can follow the thought process.] (]) 16:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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			My ideas would be to inform readers how the corset evolved over time. I can add some sort of timeline that allows readers to visually see the evolution of the corset and how they are viewed.] (]) 00:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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			This overall article is very objective and encyclopedic in its language. Can more be added to the medical section? This may be a work in progress still, but it seemed quite short. Perhaps the fact the men claimed their corsets helped alleviate back pain could be mentioned in that section. With the Fetish section, "tightlacing" was never explicitly mentioned but it seemed appropriate to either move the explanation of it there or at least mention it to tie the article together. The distinctions between the types of corsets is very interesting and well detailed.] (]) 01:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

			== Western view hatnote ==
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			The hatnote states that the article "deal primarily with Western Europe and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject." Weren't corsets almost exclusively worn by women in Western society? I'm unable to find any sources for the time period when corsets were culturally popular that indicate women from Asia, Africa, or other non-European cultures wore corsets. The article ] states, "Corsets were worn by European women from the late 16th century onward." I think the hatnote is inaccurate and should be removed. — ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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			== Addition of historical content to article ==
	== Advocacy, and pictures ==

			Hello! In hopes of aiding this article's content, particularly with reference to it's status as vital, I have added referenced content relating to early bodies, stays, and corsets. Image added to illustrate (stays), and links to related Misplaced Pages articles also made.
	I've had a go at copyediting the current page, though I haven't touched the table or most of the picture captions, because I don't understand them.

			Hope to make it back here soon to add more concerning nineteenth century use of the corset. Many thanks to @] for suggesting work here! ] (]) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
	However, the current page reads a bit like an advocacy argument for corsets. It would be better if the language was toned down somewhat. I'm not sure how, partly because I don't know enough about the arguments for or against wearing corsets, and partly because, again, I'm not sure enough of what the original poster meant in some places.

			:@] I'm glad you took my suggestion to heart. Your support for these articles is appreciated. ] (]) 22:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
	Also, do we need this many pictures? What with this and the advocacy, the page reads like a sales catalogue. Perhaps we could move some of them to a new page. ] 20:26, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

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	The great number of pictures are important because the corsets change by time.
	If you give they all a new page, any can se the change. the corsets are also difference by use.

	perhaps a pages "The history of corset 1500-1970 or 1983" and a page: "Corset before 1500"

	"original poster meant in some places."
	please tell the problems

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Men beginning to wear corsets?

How common was the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830)? I can’t remember any contemporary depictions showing men with any exaggeratedly narrow waist. If you compensate for the typical three to five layers of clothes their waists become comparable to those of indigenous peoples living in areas so hot that humans don’t need any clothes. Consequentially, these peoples ether practice natural nudity or wear only a loincloth or a clothing item comparable to present Western underpants. Since they wear very little – if anything at all – their waists probably represent the natural state of the male body. It was not until after 1830 that Western men begun to be portrayed with an exaggeratedly narrow waist. Then I can imagine them wearing corsets but before that it would have been superfluous. Anyone who can verify?

2009-08-23 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.155.69 (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I know many books which tell about the use of corsets by men during the Empire style period (1790 – 1830), but the only primary source is a printed joke by a lace scene. I have two photos of men by exaggeratedly narrow waist. Haabet 20:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3335966311/in/set-72157608328223268/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/haabet/3336797276/in/set-72157608328223268/

I consider these to be exceptions from the norm of indigenous peoples in hot climates having natural waists.

2010-02-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 (talk) 15:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I think even if they are exceptions to the norm, they are still important to include in the article. This way people can know about, consider, and discuss it. Paigee33 (talk) 11:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Are the Nude pictures really nessesary?

Do we have to have those? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.84.8.67 (talk) 17:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not censored. --Qsaw 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

LOL pwned. 24.251.33.38 (talk) 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

The Nude pictures are important to show of the effect of corsets.Haabet 16:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

image display

Would it make sense to move the column of images on the right, which randomly illustrate corsets, into a gallery section? As they are now they muck up the "edit" buttons for about 5 sections. Huw Powell (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Most of the "History" section have need to move to the Corset History article.Haabet 07:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

is the image of the 'corset made by corseteirre in 2005' etc etc really needed? it seems like someone is using wikipedia as a free edvertising place...121.208.89.168 (talk) 12:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Corset vendors

I've removed the sections containing links to corset vendors, per WP:SPAM. I do not believe that links to vendor web sites are appropriate. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Seconded. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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In the Notes section the fourth bullet- "History of Tightlacing". Retrieved August 11, 2015- doesn't link to anything, or it is expired. Without reference to more scholarly work, or anything to back up the claim, no one can trace the work. I don't know what the original site was so I cannot go out to find it but updating sources so that people can follow the thought process.Kennedke (talk) 16:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I have tagged the deadlink at both occurrences. GrindtXX (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

New Idea!

My ideas would be to inform readers how the corset evolved over time. I can add some sort of timeline that allows readers to visually see the evolution of the corset and how they are viewed.Chilogan (talk) 00:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Peer Review Suggestions and Questions

This overall article is very objective and encyclopedic in its language. Can more be added to the medical section? This may be a work in progress still, but it seemed quite short. Perhaps the fact the men claimed their corsets helped alleviate back pain could be mentioned in that section. With the Fetish section, "tightlacing" was never explicitly mentioned but it seemed appropriate to either move the explanation of it there or at least mention it to tie the article together. The distinctions between the types of corsets is very interesting and well detailed.Ansilvern (talk) 01:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Western view hatnote

The hatnote states that the article "deal primarily with Western Europe and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject." Weren't corsets almost exclusively worn by women in Western society? I'm unable to find any sources for the time period when corsets were culturally popular that indicate women from Asia, Africa, or other non-European cultures wore corsets. The article Corset controversy states, "Corsets were worn by European women from the late 16th century onward." I think the hatnote is inaccurate and should be removed. — btphelps 21:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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Addition of historical content to article

Hello! In hopes of aiding this article's content, particularly with reference to it's status as vital, I have added referenced content relating to early bodies, stays, and corsets. Image added to illustrate (stays), and links to related Misplaced Pages articles also made.

Hope to make it back here soon to add more concerning nineteenth century use of the corset. Many thanks to @Urbanracer34 for suggesting work here! Diary of a Dress Historian (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

@Diary of a Dress Historian I'm glad you took my suggestion to heart. Your support for these articles is appreciated. Urbanracer34 (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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