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== Busting the Quackbusters? ==


Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 02:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Haley Fromholz wrote in 2001, that Stephen Barrett (quackwatch.com), and Wallace Sampson MD (Scientific Review of Alternative and Aberrant Medicine) "were found to be biased and unworthy of credibility." Peculiar that there is no mention of it here but rather sounds like a glowing POV-based review.
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== Defamation ==
:If you'd like to propose an addition to this biographical article, please review our ] and describe the ] which would support your proposed content. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 21:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


::LOL, predictable. As someone who would want to keep Misplaced Pages honest you'd think you might make the addition yourself? If of course that's the goal here?] (]) 18:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC) Why nothing about Barrett’s failed defamation suit against chiropractor Tedd Koren? It is relevant to his work. ] (]) 04:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


== Psychiatric boards ==
:::I haven't found any ] that would support such an addition. As you probably know, ] forbids using court transcripts in isolation as sources for biographical material, because it's very easy for an unscrupulous editor to quote parts of a court decision out of context. I thought maybe you had some appropriate sources for this material, since you brought it up. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 19:18, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


that Barrett "failed his psychiatric boards.” Is there a credible source to substantiate that claim? ] (]) 04:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Judges are generally scientifically illiterate (your favorite expletive goes here)s, and are generally not RS. Their "peer reviewers" (appellate courts) uphold something like 98% of their decisions (remember Scopes and Darrow), and the burden is on disproving their findings of law (or of fact), the ''opposite'' of a scientofoc peer revoew. The RS New York Academy of Sciences and its peer review panel definitely does not agree with this judge re W. Sampson, since they published his "Antiscience" article re Alt Med as the peer reviewed defining article of their conference on "The Flight from Reason". - ] (]) 22:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


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Barrett appears to be the original source for many references which, according to Ronz via ] and ] violates several policies. A consistent editing policy seems necessary for both articles. Either interviews and articles are legitimate or they are not. Unless there's a WP:HYPOCRISY policy I missed? --] (]) 13:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Can someone who is well versed in this wikipedia editing put in some content using the references at quackpotwatch.org about stephen barret. the existing content of this article is very onesided with a strongly biased POV. ] (]) 22:51, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


== Discussions about the status of QW (and thus Barrett) here at Misplaced Pages ==
: It is not considered a RS (except in its own fringe world). It is even blacklisted here because it has nothing reliable to say. Conspiracy theories are not good sources for facts. Its author is also blocked from editing here because he has behaved so badly.


For some odd reason, existing discussions have not been announced here, which is a big violation of our usual practice. There are two major places where participation is encouraged:
: Any bias you note is because all reliable sources are positive toward Barrett (and ], which is another subject). We base our content on what RS say. If RS were critical, then we'd be happy to include such content, but it's pretty hard to find. What has been found has been included in this article. It is minor criticisms. -- ] (]) 23:32, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


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== Rule 11 Sanctions in "Quackwatch" Libel Case ==
I went ahead and removed your aside on the talk page as a ] violation. Your personal opinion is that psychiatry is pseudoscience - It's irrelevant to the article. You then went on to bring up attacks on Barrett without a source. --] (]) 18:00, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


I'm not sure if there's anything worth using here, but someone else may think so, so leaving it here. -- ] (]) 01:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
: <strike>- I did not know the BLP requirements for sources also apply to talk pages.<strike> Now I do. ] (]) 20:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:Probably not without more coverage. Applies to ] as well. --] (]) 02:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
: - I have no problem with your removal, however, how can one call for finding sources in BLPs if one cannot state the as-yet-RS lacking assertions on the talk page?
: - My "personal opinion" as stated at WP is based on RS and MEDRS, and is not an opinion. It is a statement of the content of mainstream MEDRS sources. Try reading the sources upon which the assertions in the third paragraph of ] are based, and the . All I intended to do was restate the content of this RS information. :) ] (]) 18:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks for responding! You're a new editor trying to edit highly controversial topics. In addition to ], you should be aware that there are ] sanctions in place for the topics as well. You can look at the top of the article talk pages to find more about these sanctions.
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::If you want to continue trying to edit these articles, you should familiarize yourself with ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. Again, better to leave the articles alone for awhile and edit where you can take a leisurely approach to learning the details of Misplaced Pages's many policies. --] (]) 19:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
::Regarding , does this mean we're done here? I'm happy to answer your questions further, and as I've already foreshadowed, the answers will come from the policies listed. --] (]) 01:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks. My edits at alt med seem to have stuck, albeit they generated conroversy. I do have a question, peripherally related to my edit on this page that you correctly deleted. My edits at ], ], and ], were based on sources that are peer reviewed internationally recognized top journals in the field were dismissed at Wikiproject Medicine as violating "common knowlege". The edits were about a controversy whether psychiatry is medcine at all, and were well sourced. There is significant conroversy as to whether simply listing mental category classification criteria, and defining "out of the norm", allows the attachement of the term "disease" to the category (e.g., bipolar "disorder"). Further controversy is as to whether the categories have any reality at all (e.g., ]). Further, psychiatrists at Guantanamo do not treat disease. They help extract information, somtimes using "discomfort". That may be science, but it is not medicine. ''What policy or guideline allows "common knowledge" that psychiatry is pure medicine to trump the sources I provided?'' Also, what talk page may have more self-critically thinking kinds of editors who might participate in such discussion? ] (]) 01:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Defamation

Why nothing about Barrett’s failed defamation suit against chiropractor Tedd Koren? It is relevant to his work. Nicmart (talk) 04:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Psychiatric boards

It is asserted that Barrett "failed his psychiatric boards.” Is there a credible source to substantiate that claim? Nicmart (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Self-Sourced Content

Barrett appears to be the original source for many references which, according to Ronz via Naveen Jain and Naveen Jain Talk violates several policies. A consistent editing policy seems necessary for both articles. Either interviews and articles are legitimate or they are not. Unless there's a WP:HYPOCRISY policy I missed? --Lawfulneutral (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Discussions about the status of QW (and thus Barrett) here at Misplaced Pages

For some odd reason, existing discussions have not been announced here, which is a big violation of our usual practice. There are two major places where participation is encouraged:

BullRangifer (talk) 16:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Rule 11 Sanctions in "Quackwatch" Libel Case

Rule 11 Sanctions in "Quackwatch" Libel Case I'm not sure if there's anything worth using here, but someone else may think so, so leaving it here. -- Valjean (talk) 01:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Probably not without more coverage. Applies to American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine as well. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 02:17, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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