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			] Archived March 11, 2006.
	Please refer to ]. I'm sure that not everyone in this town shares your point of view. ] 05:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

			==Sidebar changes==
	The fact that not everyone agrees with certain information does not invalidate that information. In addition, the cultural context added provides far more useful information about Big Spring, than census data, geographical coordinates and the fact that a 35 year old movie was filmed there.
			I updated the city council and added the population changes as reported in the 2020 Census, using the land area already in the sidebar. I dunno where to look to see if that's changed. ] (]) 02:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

			==Photo==
	Yes, Big Spring sucks, we get that. I've been to Big Spring too many freaking times on stupid high school functions to not get that. But, this article is bad. Incredibly. Needs major cleanup work.
			Nice picture, Applejuicefool! That adds a lot to the article. <b>]]]</b> 03:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			: Thanks :) ] 03:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			: I will try to get a new photo uploaded soon. The "Old Settles Hotel" in the current one has now been lavishly refurbished and reopened and the pic could do with an update. There's construction on the Municipal Auditorium, so I may wait until that is complete, or just take from a different angle. ] (]) 02:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

			== Native Americans? ==
	Any desire for a brief history of Big Spring? If nothing else, we could rework the blurb on the Cowboy's Steakhouse menu into something useable :) ] 20:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

			Noticed just now the discrepancy between Shawnee in the intro and Pawnee in my history addition. I got Pawnee from the Handbook of Texas Online. I did a quick web search on Shawnee and Big Spring, and sure enough, the Big Spring City WP says Shawnee. I went back and double checked the HTO, and it indeed says Pawnee. Misplaced Pages shows little maps of areas where each nation was located; neither is right on top of Big Spring (which the Comanche are) but the Pawnee looks closer (Shawnee are up near New England area). Not sure what to do about this, ATM. Any ideas? ] 03:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
	On the Culture information, it clearly does not stand up to ] and should be removed. The description of Big Spring is NOT factual, as asserted in the first paragraph on this page; instead, it is a mass of opinion. "Many people believe..." What people? "The school system is appalling" opinion. "Football takes precedence..." opinion (and I'm a science teacher at BSHS). "The economic base consists largely..." sources? "One of the major career opportunities..." compared to what? Sources? "A high percentage of the population lives in poverty..." what percentage? source? etc. etc. etc. This section of the article is nothing but a slam on Big Spring and should be entirely rewritten. In fact, I plan to do so. Thanks, ] 18:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
			:The HTO is usually right...let me go get my texas history books and check. <small>]]] \| ]</small> 03:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:I will write an email to the city to see what the source of their info is. ] 03:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			::Where's this map on wiki? ] 03:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:::The maps are on the articles for the various Indian tribes. Do a search on the name of the tribe. ] 03:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:DOH! The HTO Big Spring article says Shawnee! The HTO Howard County article says Pawnee! ] 03:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:: I wondered about that too, but the ] article does mention this: ''Several hundred Missouri Shawnee left the United States in 1815 together with some Delaware people and settled in Texas, which was at that time controlled by Spain. This tribe became known as the Absentee Shawnee; they were once again expelled in 1839 after Texas had gained its indepedence three years earlier. '' I've been unable to find any mention of where in Texas they lived before going back to Oklahoma. <b>]]]</b> 03:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:::I'm thinking the Absentee Shawnees are probably closest to the truth. I found a similar article on http://www.tolatsga.org/shaw.html - dunno the sources for that article, though. They say the Shawnee were welcomed by the Spanish to serve as kind of a buffer between Mexico and the U.S. ] 03:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
			:::And yet HTO Howard County clearly mentions "Skidi Pawnees." Things that make you go hmmm... ]

			== Portuguese! ==
	This weekend I will write some new content for Big Spring. For now, I am going to delete the entire Culture and Economy section on grounds of NPOV violation. You can't completely slam my town in every substantive way using undocumented opinions (as expressed in the previous paragraph) and then say (and I paraphrase) "on the upside it has good barbecue." ] 14:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

			Excellent! We now have a Big Spring stub in Portuguese! ] 04:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
	The Culture & Economics discussion is quite valid. I am a third generation Big Spring resident, born and raised. I love Big Spring. Pointing out some of the challenges that face the city of Big Spring presents a necessary balanced view. If you want advertising copy, the Chamber of Commerce will be all too happy to provide fancy brochures that gloss over all of the difficulties that local residents face. <small>—''The preceding ] comment was added by'' ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

			==Jake Pickle==
	I'm not saying I want the Big Spring article to sound like Chamber of Commerce copy. Whether this endears me to you or not, I am a former Herald reporter and now a high school teacher. I don't have your three generations, but I do know something about both journalistic and academic style and integrity. I want the article to be factual and based on outside research, not a mass of anyone's opinions - yours or the Chamber's or even mine. ] 03:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
			Why is there no mention of ] who grew up in this area? ]

			== Refinery Explosion ==
			Not sure hwo to add the information well, but this is the most up to date info out there:
			http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS249&q=Big+Spring+Texas+explosion&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
			] (]) 17:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			:Been keeping my eye on it. It's the same information I have. Are you local? ] (]) 17:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
			::Nope, out of Ohio, just saw it on CNN. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Education links? ==
	===Political POV===
	]; the cultural section that you insist on adding is clearly in violation of ] policy. As mentioned before, this isn't an attempt to sanitize the article and have it read like a PR piece; on the contrary, I often remove positive statements from various articles for the same reason that I've removed the "cultural" section; it is 90% ] and/or ] statements. There are a few elements of it that if sourced could be appropriate; if you could dig up some poverty statistics, or employment statistics (verifying that the prison is indeed the biggest or one of the biggest employers), that would be fine. The ] article provides good examples of how to discuss the negative aspects of a city while maintaining a neutral point-of-view. There is no place in this article for positive/negative commentary about Republican/Democrat/Libertarian/Communist policies. <b><font face="Arial" color="#D47C14">]</font><font color="#7D4C0C">]</font>]</b> 05:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
	: I've protected this page. Please discuss this further, and after you have come to a conclusion contact me or an other admin and it will unprotected. Thanks ] 01:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

			Is there a reason to provide external links for Howard College and the school district, when these have Misplaced Pages articles? shouldn't we link to the Misplaced Pages articles, and then put the external links in those for people who want more info? ] (]) 14:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
	== Culture and Economics (advert) ==
			::Done ] (]) 14:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

			== Name ==
	The ] section reads like an advert. I was going to add the advert template, but I'm sure it will get reverted. I'll mention it here instead. Warning, hyperbole and adverts below...

			Unbelievable, but there's a BIG SPRING and then there's a tiny little spot in Eastern TX called BIG SPRINGS. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:''The people are the friendliest you'll meet! And if you like barbecue and Tex-Mex food Big Spring has some outstanding restaurants. Brenda’s Barbecue is highly recommended, although residents of Big Spring are quite opinionated when it comes to a discussion of barbecue or Tex-Mex food. There is one truly amazing display of Christmas lights at the Partee residence. The "Live Drive Through Nativity" is one of a kind. Housing costs are unbelievably inexpensive and many people have adapted to the arid climate by xeriscaping their lawns.''
			:I suppose this is possible, but I cannot find any reference to "Big Springs, Texas" anywhere online, nor does it appear in Misplaced Pages's list of communities in Rusk County, nor on the map available on Rusk County's website. I am going to delete the sentence from the article referencing Big Springs; please post a link to a site where I can confirm the existence of Big Springs, and we can put it back. ] (]) 18:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

			:: The Rusk County town of Big Springs, Texas is located at 32.067386 N, 94.967440 W. It can be found by typing "Big Springs, Texas" into Google Earth. ] (]) 21:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
	- ] 03:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
	: This individual has been pushing POV in this article for weeks . The recent revisions are simply the "positives" from that large POV section. Positive or negative, it's still POV. I've seen no good-faith discussion of the issue from this user (beyond simply stating that "it's valid") and they've already been blocked for violating 3RR once (and a fresh report has just been filed). <b><font face="Arial" color="#D47C14">]</font><font color="#7D4C0C">]</font>]</b> 03:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

			== Photo? ==

			I can understand replacing my photo of the Municipal Auditorium with the Settles Hotel in the background as the title photo of the article. What I'm wondering is, why whoever did so could not at least include it in the gallery. There is no other photo in there showing the Municipal Auditorium... The Auditorium is still there... ] (]) 04:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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			:NVM I fixed it. ] (]) 04:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

			== Census Data needs Update ==
	I would be good to have some photographs of Big Spring included in the article. <small>—''The preceding ] comment was added by'' ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->

			The 2010 data should be added to or replace the 2000 info, shouldn't it? ] (]) 16:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
	== History (copyvio) ==

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	The history section contains two paragraphs that are blatant copy violations of url http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/PP/jbp1.html. - ] 00:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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	''"In 1957 anti-prostitution groups gained an influential advocate in Texas attorney general Will Wilson, whose office led the way in disrupting Texas prostitution, including the Galveston racketeers. Church, legal and news media pressure forced many brothels to close and set the prostitution business on a downward course that continued into the 1960s."''

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			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 02:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
	There is an ongoing effort to sanitize and whitewash the Cultural and Economics discussion in this article. There have been repeated attempts to delete relevant and factual (if unpleasant) information about Big Spring in favor of a "Chamber of Commerce" POV that removes any and all references to the real challenges faced by the City of Big Spring, TX. <small>—''The preceding ] comment was added by'' ] (] • ]) {{{2\|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
	: Please cite specific passages that you believe violate ]. <b><font face="Arial" color="#D47C14">]</font><font color="#7D4C0C">]</font>]</b> 00:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
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	The continued deletionist bullying tactics by "ohnoitsjamie" to sanitize and whitewash information about a community I love dearly and that my family has called home for four generations is the reason for the disputed tag. {{unsigned\|65.122.236.133}}

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			== Sonny Dykes ==

			I removed my cousin Sonny Dykes from the list of notable people. He might have lived briefly there while his Dad, Spike Dykes, was an assistant coach at Big Spring High School, but he's not really "from" Big Spring. ] (]) 19:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

			:] has as a source for that claim. Do you have another source saying otherwise? ]<sub style="color:#b766d2;">⧼]·]⧽</sub> 19:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
			::It's possible that he was born in Big Spring while Spike was an assistant coach. He wouldn't have been there for long, though. However I suppose if he was born there, one could say he is "from" there. I concede the point. ] (]) 19:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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Sidebar changes

I updated the city council and added the population changes as reported in the 2020 Census, using the land area already in the sidebar. I dunno where to look to see if that's changed. Applejuicefool (talk) 02:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Photo

Nice picture, Applejuicefool! That adds a lot to the article. OhNo itsJamie 03:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) Applejuicefool 03:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I will try to get a new photo uploaded soon. The "Old Settles Hotel" in the current one has now been lavishly refurbished and reopened and the pic could do with an update. There's construction on the Municipal Auditorium, so I may wait until that is complete, or just take from a different angle. Applejuicefool (talk) 02:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Native Americans?

Noticed just now the discrepancy between Shawnee in the intro and Pawnee in my history addition. I got Pawnee from the Handbook of Texas Online. I did a quick web search on Shawnee and Big Spring, and sure enough, the Big Spring City WP says Shawnee. I went back and double checked the HTO, and it indeed says Pawnee. Misplaced Pages shows little maps of areas where each nation was located; neither is right on top of Big Spring (which the Comanche are) but the Pawnee looks closer (Shawnee are up near New England area). Not sure what to do about this, ATM. Any ideas? Applejuicefool 03:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The HTO is usually right...let me go get my texas history books and check. psch e mp | talk 03:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I will write an email to the city to see what the source of their info is. Applejuicefool 03:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Where's this map on wiki? Joe I 03:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The maps are on the articles for the various Indian tribes. Do a search on the name of the tribe. Applejuicefool 03:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

DOH! The HTO Big Spring article says Shawnee! The HTO Howard County article says Pawnee! Applejuicefool 03:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I wondered about that too, but the Shawnee article does mention this: Several hundred Missouri Shawnee left the United States in 1815 together with some Delaware people and settled in Texas, which was at that time controlled by Spain. This tribe became known as the Absentee Shawnee; they were once again expelled in 1839 after Texas had gained its indepedence three years earlier. I've been unable to find any mention of where in Texas they lived before going back to Oklahoma. OhNo itsJamie 03:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking the Absentee Shawnees are probably closest to the truth. I found a similar article on http://www.tolatsga.org/shaw.html - dunno the sources for that article, though. They say the Shawnee were welcomed by the Spanish to serve as kind of a buffer between Mexico and the U.S. Applejuicefool 03:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

And yet HTO Howard County clearly mentions "Skidi Pawnees." Things that make you go hmmm... Applejuicefool

Portuguese!

Excellent! We now have a Big Spring stub in Portuguese! Applejuicefool 04:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Jake Pickle

Why is there no mention of Jake Pickle who grew up in this area? Varun Rajendran

Refinery Explosion

Not sure hwo to add the information well, but this is the most up to date info out there: http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS249&q=Big+Spring+Texas+explosion&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn 65.185.147.196 (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Been keeping my eye on it. It's the same information I have. Are you local? Jerry G. Sweeton Jr. (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Nope, out of Ohio, just saw it on CNN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepshep (talk • contribs) 18:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Education links?

Is there a reason to provide external links for Howard College and the school district, when these have Misplaced Pages articles? shouldn't we link to the Misplaced Pages articles, and then put the external links in those for people who want more info? Applejuicefool (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Applejuicefool (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Name

Unbelievable, but there's a BIG SPRING and then there's a tiny little spot in Eastern TX called BIG SPRINGS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.78.21 (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I suppose this is possible, but I cannot find any reference to "Big Springs, Texas" anywhere online, nor does it appear in Misplaced Pages's list of communities in Rusk County, nor on the map available on Rusk County's website. I am going to delete the sentence from the article referencing Big Springs; please post a link to a site where I can confirm the existence of Big Springs, and we can put it back. Applejuicefool (talk) 18:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The Rusk County town of Big Springs, Texas is located at 32.067386 N, 94.967440 W. It can be found by typing "Big Springs, Texas" into Google Earth. Leaflet (talk) 21:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Photo?

I can understand replacing my photo of the Municipal Auditorium with the Settles Hotel in the background as the title photo of the article. What I'm wondering is, why whoever did so could not at least include it in the gallery. There is no other photo in there showing the Municipal Auditorium... The Auditorium is still there... Applejuicefool (talk) 04:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

NVM I fixed it. Applejuicefool (talk) 04:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Census Data needs Update

The 2010 data should be added to or replace the 2000 info, shouldn't it? JeanEva Rose (talk) 16:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Sonny Dykes

I removed my cousin Sonny Dykes from the list of notable people. He might have lived briefly there while his Dad, Spike Dykes, was an assistant coach at Big Spring High School, but he's not really "from" Big Spring. Jonl (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Sonny Dykes has this as a source for that claim. Do you have another source saying otherwise? ℰmi1y_⧼T·C⧽ 19:32, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It's possible that he was born in Big Spring while Spike was an assistant coach. He wouldn't have been there for long, though. However I suppose if he was born there, one could say he is "from" there. I concede the point. Jonl (talk) 19:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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