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	:I've edited the above (including the full text I have removed now rather than the partial) and removed it from the main page. Google is our friend and it's either hiding this piece of information or knows nothing about it. It also sounds unlike something H&P would do at this stage in their careers, they moved on from standup years ago ] 19:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)		:I've edited the above (including the full text I have removed now rather than the partial) and removed it from the main page. Google is our friend and it's either hiding this piece of information or knows nothing about it. It also sounds unlike something H&P would do at this stage in their careers, they moved on from standup years ago ] 19:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

	== Skint? ==

	I wonder what they're doing for a living now? ] (]) 00:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

	== The Stonk "based on an fictitious dance craze" ==		== The Stonk "based on an fictitious dance craze" ==
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	There's no mention of the fact that they came to prominence after winning New Faces.		There's no mention of the fact that they came to prominence after winning New Faces.

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			== “and” or “&”? ==

			The title opening to the ''Hale & Pace'' TV series uses an ampersand. ] (]) 00:16, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

			== Is Michael "Bink" Knowles is being his usual self again? ==
			If you are a California-based live audio engineer I don't think you will be watching a small national/local televsion station based in the United Kingdom, the same one that is currently broadcasting this classic comedy series, therefore this small national/local televsion station must be a reliable source, as they are the one who have broadcast Hale and Pace over the last week. Other references have been given from ukgameshows (which I have seen used many times before on this site) and the BBC themselves!

			It's not being helpful to fans and not fair especially when a reference '' has been needed for the sentance that says: "This clip got them onto a list of 50 most shocking comedy moments and they believe the sketch gave them the notoriety that kept them in work for the successive series" for ages...

			I do not think Michael "Bink" Knowles gives a damn about Hale and Pace and is just being picky (see ] for examples there are ovcer 60 pages of the stuff archived). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span>

			::I removed the material you copied from the article to the talk page. Per ], we should not be hosting disputed material in a different location.
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			::The main reason I am removing your expansion work is the hard policy of ]. You are making comparisons, analyzing, and naming superlatives that are not supported by published sources.
			::Misplaced Pages should be built mainly on ] sources, which means books and articles by independent authors writing about Hale and Pace. Ideally, Misplaced Pages is a summary of all the published data about every topic. The material you are drawing "straight from the show" is not previously published, which means it cannot be in the encyclopedia. ] (]) 14:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

			:::What original research? I was just updating the missing info from the TV series which Supernovabuzz failed to include or put in the wrong place in 2007/2008...with all this info no doubt coming straight from the VHS he (or she) was watching a the time. Therefore its no difference to putting the missing characters into the list like Supernovabuzz did in the first place, especially if the list is on the site and especially if it is incomplete or incorrect.

			:::You say wikipedia should be based on 'books and articles by independent authors writing about Hale and Pace'...but come on its Hale and Pace (and I like watching their programmes). Somehow, I don't think there is a market for a Hale and Pace book in the way similar to all the ''Dad's Army'' or ''Monty Python'' publications you see in the UK, come on you are never going to get ''The Radio Times Guide to Hale and Pace - Fifty Years of Fun'', you're only going to get mentions on fan forums, wordpress sites (eg: https://adamnostalgia.wordpress.com/tag/hale-and-pace/) and other blogs etc...all which you cannot mention here as references, as you know!

			:::You said in your bio you want to 'expanding articles', which is what I am trying to do...but by being picky over the sources you are just leaving articles in a substandard state.

			:::BTW, it was VLS who said something like 'were the only double act with two straight men', I am not criticising them myself. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			===Michael Binks - you know there are no references for Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who===
			Michael Binks - you know there are no references for Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who in this article...therefore I do hope you find all theese references or take all information about Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who out of this article <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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I can't remember how this double act operated? I seem to remember Hale was the comic and Pace the feed, like Morecambe and Wise or was it more interchangeable like Smith and Jones?--Crestville 00:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Very interchangeable, Hale used to be the foil for fat jokes and Pace used to be the foil for sex jokes but both of them were the butt of each other's jokes SmUX 20:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Cite or bye?

"A second and unlikely attempt at the charts was made in April 2007 after their comedy version of Amy Winehouse's single Rehab attracted minor coverage in the press. This followed an incident at the comedy awards when Amy's mother, who the duo was unaware was in the crowd for their performance, took exception to the lyrics of their version (which are less than flattering to her daughter) and hurled a bottle at the stage, hitting Hale above the eye leaving him needing stitches. The story was run in several tabloids and a hasty release of their version was arranged, however by the time it hit the shops, the publicity had faded and the song failed to make the top 100."

I find no mention of this anywhere on google...can someone help? Or shall we remove?

(oops, forgot to sign it :-)) SmUX 14:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've edited the above (including the full text I have removed now rather than the partial) and removed it from the main page. Google is our friend and it's either hiding this piece of information or knows nothing about it. It also sounds unlike something H&P would do at this stage in their careers, they moved on from standup years ago SmUX 19:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The Stonk "based on an fictitious dance craze"

wasn't entirely fictitious - somebody invented/de-fictionalised an official dance to go with the song, dance steps got published in Fast Forward magazine and we performed it at (primary) school for comic relief.

Also - there's in the credits there's a thank you to Freddie Mercury - any involvement or 'just' Brian May saying thanks/leaving a tribute to his friend?109.224.137.121 (talk) 05:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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“and” or “&”?

The title opening to the Hale & Pace TV series uses an ampersand. Felicity4711 (talk) 00:16, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Is Michael "Bink" Knowles is being his usual self again?

If you are a California-based live audio engineer I don't think you will be watching a small national/local televsion station based in the United Kingdom, the same one that is currently broadcasting this classic comedy series, therefore this small national/local televsion station must be a reliable source, as they are the one who have broadcast Hale and Pace over the last week. Other references have been given from ukgameshows (which I have seen used many times before on this site) and the BBC themselves!

It's not being helpful to fans and not fair especially when a reference '' has been needed for the sentance that says: "This clip got them onto a list of 50 most shocking comedy moments and they believe the sketch gave them the notoriety that kept them in work for the successive series" for ages...

I do not think Michael "Bink" Knowles gives a damn about Hale and Pace and is just being picky (see User talk:Binksternet for examples there are ovcer 60 pages of the stuff archived). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.239.15 (talk • contribs)

I removed the material you copied from the article to the talk page. Per WP:COPIES, we should not be hosting disputed material in a different location.

Your post here is a borderline violation of WP:No personal attack.

The main reason I am removing your expansion work is the hard policy of WP:No original research. You are making comparisons, analyzing, and naming superlatives that are not supported by published sources.

Misplaced Pages should be built mainly on WP:SECONDARY sources, which means books and articles by independent authors writing about Hale and Pace. Ideally, Misplaced Pages is a summary of all the published data about every topic. The material you are drawing "straight from the show" is not previously published, which means it cannot be in the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

What original research? I was just updating the missing info from the TV series which Supernovabuzz failed to include or put in the wrong place in 2007/2008...with all this info no doubt coming straight from the VHS he (or she) was watching a the time. Therefore its no difference to putting the missing characters into the list like Supernovabuzz did in the first place, especially if the list is on the site and especially if it is incomplete or incorrect.

You say wikipedia should be based on 'books and articles by independent authors writing about Hale and Pace'...but come on its Hale and Pace (and I like watching their programmes). Somehow, I don't think there is a market for a Hale and Pace book in the way similar to all the Dad's Army or Monty Python publications you see in the UK, come on you are never going to get The Radio Times Guide to Hale and Pace - Fifty Years of Fun, you're only going to get mentions on fan forums, wordpress sites (eg: https://adamnostalgia.wordpress.com/tag/hale-and-pace/) and other blogs etc...all which you cannot mention here as references, as you know!

You said in your bio you want to 'expanding articles', which is what I am trying to do...but by being picky over the sources you are just leaving articles in a substandard state.

BTW, it was VLS who said something like 'were the only double act with two straight men', I am not criticising them myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.56 (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Michael Binks - you know there are no references for Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who

Michael Binks - you know there are no references for Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who in this article...therefore I do hope you find all theese references or take all information about Extras, Dalziel and Pascoe or The Armando Iannucci Shows or Dr Who out of this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.56 (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

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