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I hope we can find a way to satisfy both our needs here. But this can that some time. -- ] (]) 02:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC) I hope we can find a way to satisfy both our needs here. But this can that some time. -- ] (]) 02:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

:Today an other attempt has been made to get this article removed, see . Apparently is not considered enough. :An other option could be to rename this article to something like ] ; ] ; or ], to make clear that this is a "historical article" on a 1990s/new millenium Enterprise Architecture Framework.

:I am against just delete this article, because it has some illustrative value, how a AEF can be developed and constructed. The same problem about the framework getting outdated in real life, occurs for other frameworks as well. Just deleting the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. Misplaced Pages is about preserving knowledge. -- ] (]) 23:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

:See also: ] -- ] (]) 11:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
::Before deletion is attempted, I would at least like to know ''what'' is outdated about the article. It certainly seems a valid description to me. Does the FDIC no longer describe architecture in this way? Does what is described here no longer apply to real systems or organizations? Why not? ] (]) 09:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

:::Thanks for asking. It remains unclear what exactly is outdated.
:::# The claim that the information in this article is outdated, has already been made two years ago by ], see , who in the process just deleted most of the article .
:::# As a precaution I made some notifications in the article about this, see , ,
:::# ... and on ] invited the person to talk it over.
:::# Last week I encountered the first response (see my comment of Jan 7, 2013) and now the AfD
:::Now from the articles content itself it is evident, that some information is outdated. For example the image of the "Five-Year Technology Roadmap, 2008" showing the situation from 2008 to 2012.

:::What remains unclear is the current state of the art of the FDIC EA. Searching the FDIC webside, see doesn't give a direct clue. I guess, it would be nice if the FDIC would work with us on this, in stead of just making those claims. -- ] (]) 13:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

::::The most recent information I can find is the FDIC , part of the Annual report 2012, last Updated 06/18/2012, stating:
:::::''Work in 2012 will continue on the multi-year effort to implement the FDIC’s target enterprise architecture and address potential technology obsolescence in the business application portfolio...''
::::In other words, the FDIC is still continuing working creating a "target enterprise architecture". Based on this info, there is serious reason to doubt the claim that this article is completely outdated. -- ] (]) 16:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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FDIC Enterprise Architecture Framework

I have just undone all recent edits made to the FDIC Enterprise Architecture Framework article and instead added a notification that the framework is outdated. Misplaced Pages is no extension of the FDIC and all info given doesn't have to be the state of the art.

Maybe we should have a better look at the article, and see what has to be done. By I guess the editor was under the impression he could remove everything he whated, based on the argument that the work is out of date. But this argument doesn't really count that much. The information can still have some historical importance.

I hope we can find a way to satisfy both our needs here. But this can that some time. -- Mdd (talk) 02:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Today an other attempt has been made to get this article removed, see here. Apparently the notification made is not considered enough. :An other option could be to rename this article to something like FDIC Enterprise Architecture Framework (1997-2005) ; FDIC Enterprise Architecture Framework (2005) ; or FDIC Enterprise Architecture Framework (1997-2012), to make clear that this is a "historical article" on a 1990s/new millenium Enterprise Architecture Framework.
I am against just delete this article, because it has some illustrative value, how a AEF can be developed and constructed. The same problem about the framework getting outdated in real life, occurs for other frameworks as well. Just deleting the whole thing doesn't make sense to me. Misplaced Pages is about preserving knowledge. -- Mdd (talk) 23:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
See also: Talk:Treasury Enterprise Architecture Framework -- Mdd (talk) 11:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Before deletion is attempted, I would at least like to know what is outdated about the article. It certainly seems a valid description to me. Does the FDIC no longer describe architecture in this way? Does what is described here no longer apply to real systems or organizations? Why not? Rp (talk) 09:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for asking. It remains unclear what exactly is outdated.
  1. The claim that the information in this article is outdated, has already been made two years ago by User:Will20036, see here, who in the process just deleted most of the article .
  2. As a precaution I made some notifications in the article about this, see , ,
  3. ... and on User talk:Will20036 invited the person to talk it over.
  4. Last week I encountered the first response (see my comment of Jan 7, 2013) and now the AfD
Now from the articles content itself it is evident, that some information is outdated. For example the image of the "Five-Year Technology Roadmap, 2008" showing the situation from 2008 to 2012.
What remains unclear is the current state of the art of the FDIC EA. Searching the FDIC webside, see here doesn't give a direct clue. I guess, it would be nice if the FDIC would work with us on this, in stead of just making those claims. -- Mdd (talk) 13:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The most recent information I can find is the FDIC Annual Performance Plan, part of the Annual report 2012, last Updated 06/18/2012, stating:
Work in 2012 will continue on the multi-year effort to implement the FDIC’s target enterprise architecture and address potential technology obsolescence in the business application portfolio...
In other words, the FDIC is still continuing working creating a "target enterprise architecture". Based on this info, there is serious reason to doubt the claim that this article is completely outdated. -- Mdd (talk) 16:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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