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| Stop violating my talk page and vandalising and deleting its contents who ever you are, further more the constant user block against me is pure admin abuse!! '''Fact Finder2''' ] 04:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''Fact Finder2''' ] 04:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC){{sockpuppet|Fact Finder}} | |||
| Hello everyone, I was forced to create a new user account because Guy Chapman deleted my user profile and talk pages from the Fact Finder account, again.<br> | |||
| '''I am not a sockpuppet''' Read the reasons on my new talk page,I was forced to create a new user because Guy Chapman wiped out all my user pages and records and spammed me and blocked my user!!! | |||
| the sock puppet insertion is typical of Guy Chapman again!, READ THIS; | |||
| *Advise to new users regarding libel and Trademark law http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2006_October_22 | |||
| Give it a rest Guy I''' thought you were a fellow Christian''' (rolles eyes) ('''Do on to others as you would them do on to you''') ] 15:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == User Un-friendly Administrators == | |||
| Anyone interested in having a look at what's going on here may want to check this link to my previous user talk page which concerns accusations by Guy Chapman that I am supposedly a spammer which is a false accusation. Just because I have been evaluating whether I should start contributing in Misplaced Pages or not, does not make me a spammer. All I have done is to try "replace" factual information which I have written that was deleted and hence turned into fiction without any discussion in an effort to give a totally distorted view of events concerning EC0PAVE by this and "other" administrators. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Fact_Finder, ] 08:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :What exactly are you doing here? --] 06:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| No sorry, Im trying to put a notice on the page for reasons why it should be deleted, ] 06:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :But you are making hundreds of posts on a page that is no longer current, I'm not sure what your goal is, I just ran into the page by accident, and nothing makes any sense. --] 06:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Its ok now, im sorry Armadillo ive finally worked out how to place a notice on a page which I am requesting for removal, maby thats what happened, hundreds of posts? no no, I have only placed a removal request on three articles in question have a look at my contrib log, ] 13:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Oh I know what you are talking about now, yeah youre right in a sense because when I was editing (writing) the article on '''Accusations that EC0PAVE has spammed...'''I made numerous edits, I know I know, in the future I will write them down using my word program and spell cheker first before I add articles to a Misplaced Pages page, Im learning ] 13:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| This is what I added to the help page but someone has deleted it today ] 13:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC), | |||
| I am still waiting for the deletion of these '''3''' articles on the grounds that they have been edited to a point where the facts have become fiction and these three remaining articles serve no other purpose except to make the company EC0PAVE and people look bad and they dilute the trademark protected words ] and the article is in ];<br> | |||
| *EC0PAVE http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/Miscellaneous/2006_October_16 | |||
| *Walled garden /spammers http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive140 | |||
| *Advise to new users regarding libel and Trademark law http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2006_October_22 | |||
| == Accusations that Ecopave Australia has spammed in Misplaced Pages are incorrect and false == | |||
| Why am I responding to these accusations? because this could also happen to any one wanting to contribute into Misplaced Pages, I have raised some serious issues that if left un-addressed, could potentially cause serious harm to someones professional or academic reputation as a result. | |||
| My understanding after what I have been told by EC0PAVE, is that their people wanted to contribute into Misplaced Pages "in good faith" by adding articles about their company and products in the same way as many other companies have done in the past like for example ] http://en.wikipedia.org/Eco-cement. These users also added positive information articles about other eco-concious companies like Cereplast in an effort to demonstrate that there are viable non-petroleum plastic alternatives already available on the market that will help make the transition to renewables less painful for our society. In regards to the accusations that these same users were also deleting "competitor" information is also absolutely false and misleading because EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A does not view anyone as a competiror in the renewables arena, but considers them allies who are helping to bring products to the market place that ultimately help our society in the battle against climate change, pollution and poverty. These users also made referrence to article bias and raised issues about the Misplaced Pages administrators and their behaviour and conduct, specific examples were also raised in the right context in the course of these discussions and examples were also made to illustrate a point. The gray area between advertising and knowledge based information was also debated. | |||
| There was apparently some initial confusion concerning the Misplaced Pages guidelines and rules regarding editing and new article contributions and user access which may have led to some administrators deliberately jumping to the ] (spam) accusations and conclusions. What I understand is that because large amount of the readable information about these guideline subject matters is spread over a vast area and is not easy to find in Misplaced Pages to date, has caused these users to continue to edit and add information about EC0PAVE and its products and other useful articles without realising that their actions may or may not have been mis-interpreted. This matter may have been made worse by the fact that there were '''3 admins''' looking into this at the same time and one admin actually requested EC0PAVE to give (send) copyright (]) authorisations for all the article insertions after which he placed a permanent block against the EC0PAVE users. The interesting thing about this maneuver was that all the EC0PAVE article contributions were now high-jacked and linked (spread) to other websites without any author acknowledgements. "Prior" to this incident, EC0PAVE made the conclusion that the articles were in fact ok and they were going to be accepted without any problems. '''Instead of these 3 Administrators giving a helping hand''' and giving guidance, they resorted to attacks and smear campaigns against EC0PAVE and its users. The above accusations by Guy Chapman that the company was deliberately running a spamming campaign in Misplaced Pages is totally incorrect and false and therefore misleading, also to turn insult to injury, some Misplaced Pages administrators and or users were sending EC0PAVE malicious email viruses (]) to try to further prevent EC0PAVE from giving a proper response in defence. The real irony here is that Guy Chapman who is a Misplaced Pages administrator, appears to be running he's own spamming and PR campaign in Misplaced Pages by '''using 3 seperate IP addresses''' which are clearly designed to assist in bringing consensus into arguments against users who's article (ideology) is not in par with his. See this transcript of the discussion that took place with Guy on my talk page on 17-10-06 which was later discretely deleted by Guy, this also raises an interesting question, how many other Misplaced Pages Administrators are using multiple IP addresses so as to help achieve consensus in a debate? Fact Finder 05:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''"IM OBVIOUSLY INSANE" says Guy, or is he?''' | |||
| ] said, "It is totally unfair to accuse users without proof or proper cause, show me one thing that I have done something that is spam? Right, there is none because I am not a spammer, get your facts straight mister before you accuse people. Im a new user so there is a LEARNING CURVE here also and people make mistakes too, I believe that you are showing total disregard towards this aspect here NETSNIPE, your user name is already indicative of your intentions here, you appear to be hell bent on a SNIPE!!. For you to be a proper representative of Misplaced Pages policies you should show a little understanding towards new users instead of jumping to automatic negative conclusions. Iam seriously considering not contributing to Misplaced Pages if this is the treatment that people get in here maby this was a mistake or maby that's what you realy want which would begg the question "what is your vested interest maby Eco-cement??". I seriously hope that common sence and a bit of understanding and good will, will prevail here if given half the chance. I am more than happy to give this a go with assurances that I am not a spammer or a user with any malicious intent, are you?. In the name of peace and harmony I am willing to go as far as to say that, Netsipe you pick what name you would be happy for me to use in Misplaced Pages just so that we can get along here OK!. And the last but not least matter regarding IP addresses! In this day and age of spam and viruses one would be totally insane to use a fixed IP address and be vulnerable for attacks, many companies refresh and reload their servers every day to erase spam and other rubbish that is accumulated during the day therefore the IP address has no real meaning to measure or validate users intentions and is not a REAL indication of a persons intent as a ] which refers that an individual is malicuious. The ONLY method that has any merit is to LOOK AT THEIR WORK and ACTIONS ONLY!" ] 60.230.51.158. 06:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)| '''"This is not about the username and it's not about other users, it's about you and your behaviour. If you want to edit Misplaced Pages you need to go back to one of your other accounts, request unblocking, and indicate acceptance of policy and undertake not to spam again. Mind you, I'm obviously insane as I use not one but three fixed IP addresses". Guy 18:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)}}'''<br> | |||
| '''People can make up their own minds by further reading the frustrating experience the Eco-cement inventor and CEO John Harrison went through getting the environmentally friendly cement accepted into Misplaced Pages and protecting the facts from being turned into fiction here in the Eco-cement discussion page,''' http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Eco-cement, | |||
| No one contributing into Misplaced Pages should have to endure this kind of treatment especially from admins that lack expert knowledge, common courtesy and good-will, ] ] 05:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)<br> | |||
| I must admit and say that I am a little reluctant to commence to contribute with articles into Misplaced Pages when this kind of rampant Admin generated abuse is going on. The spare time that I have available that I could use constructively by creating articles, makes me believe that it would all be in vain because they would un-doubtetly be attacked and shredded by these administrators which in effect could make me look very silly indeed, especially in my fields of expertise. '''I would like to make a very important''' '''observation which I have made while being in here''', '''and that is the Misplaced Pages "open editing format" and admin abuse towards users. The fact that "some" current administrators are able to willy nilly enforce article edits without in-depth specialised knowledge, ( see the Eco-cement story ) has the potential to not only harm other administrators, but also peoples (article contributors) professional reputations in their fields of expertise and effectively turning cutting edge scientists''' '''into apparent morons overnight'''. <br> | |||
| I have also been forced to recreate a new user (Fact Finder) profile and page because I was once again attacked and blocked from Misplaced Pages buy Guy Chapman who deleted all my talk page content and evidence that pointed to his antics, this administrator appears to be way out of control, (shakes head), ] 05:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)<br> | |||
| Anyone interested in having a look at what's going on here may want to also check this link to my previous ] user talk page which concerns accusations by Guy Chapman that I am supposedly a spammer which is a false accusation. Just because I have been evaluating whether I should start contributing in Misplaced Pages or not, does not make me a spammer. All I have done is to try "replace" factual information which I have written that was deleted and hence turned into fiction without any discussion, in an effort by this and "other" admins to give a totally distorted view of events concerning EC0PAVE. The page links which require removal from Misplaced Pages as I have highlighted in these following links, | |||
| *http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Fact_Finder,<br> | |||
| *Advice to new users regarding trademark and libel laws http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2006_October_22 | |||
| serve no other purpose except for Guy Chapman to increase his own notoriety and link exposure on the net at the expense of Misplaced Pages and the "dilution" of EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A and GE032o Trademarks. <br> | |||
| Last but not least, there appears also to be this obvious overwhelming importance on the Misplaced Pages page,link and Google rank which is constantly expedited by some administrators who make it seem like this is the only important thing that matters at all in Misplaced Pages. We all know that these admins like Guy Chapman are benefitting from driving this link farm mentality and it only serves their own interests at the expense of the Misplaced Pages Encyclopedia. '''Recommendation''', '''Any Misplaced Pages administrator who copies article contents to other Misplaced Pages pages for no other reason than to make someone look bad, or deletes text by turning facts into fiction and therefore out of ] to try to achieve the same thing, or link to pages or content that would make the user look bad, should be automatically stripped of their Misplaced Pages administrator status''', '''because by doing these things the admin would be in breach of "]" conduct and quite clearly only interested in exersising''' "]". Also if The administrators emphasis is more in creating web and page links above article content or user help and guidance, the same removal of admin privelages should be made to apply, ] 10:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Fact Finder2 08:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Accusations that Ecopave Australia has spammed in Misplaced Pages are incorrect and false == | |||
| Why am I responding to these accusations? because this could also happen to any one wanting to contribute into Misplaced Pages, I have raised some serious issues that if left un-addressed, could potentially cause serious harm to someones professional or academic reputation as a result. | |||
| My understanding after what I have been told by EC0PAVE, is that their people wanted to contribute into Misplaced Pages "in good faith" by adding articles about their company and products in the same way as many other companies have done in the past like for example ] http://en.wikipedia.org/Eco-cement. These users also added positive information articles about other eco-concious companies like Cereplast in an effort to demonstrate that there are viable non-petroleum plastic alternatives already available on the market that will help make the transition to renewables less painful for our society. In regards to the accusations that these same users were also deleting "competitor" information is also absolutely false and misleading because EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A does not view anyone as a competiror in the renewables arena, but considers them allies who are helping to bring products to the market place that ultimately help our society in the battle against climate change, pollution and poverty. These users also made referrence to article bias and raised issues about the Misplaced Pages administrators and their behaviour and conduct, specific examples were also raised in the right context in the course of these discussions and examples were also made to illustrate a point. The gray area between advertising and knowledge based information was also debated. | |||
| There was apparently some initial confusion concerning the Misplaced Pages guidelines and rules regarding editing and new article contributions and user access which may have led to some administrators deliberately jumping to the ] (spam) accusations and conclusions. What I understand is that because large amount of the readable information about these guideline subject matters is spread over a vast area and is not easy to find in Misplaced Pages to date, has caused these users to continue to edit and add information about EC0PAVE and its products and other useful articles without realising that their actions may or may not have been mis-interpreted. This matter may have been made worse by the fact that there were '''3 admins''' looking into this at the same time and one admin actually requested EC0PAVE to give (send) copyright (]) authorisations for all the article insertions after which he placed a permanent block against the EC0PAVE users. The interesting thing about this maneuver was that all the EC0PAVE article contributions were now high-jacked and linked (spread) to other websites without any author acknowledgements. "Prior" to this incident, EC0PAVE made the conclusion that the articles were in fact ok and they were going to be accepted without any problems. '''Instead of these 3 Administrators giving a helping hand''' and giving guidance, they resorted to attacks and smear campaigns against EC0PAVE and its users. The above accusations by Guy Chapman that the company was deliberately running a spamming campaign in Misplaced Pages is totally incorrect and false and therefore misleading, also to turn insult to injury, some Misplaced Pages administrators and or users were sending EC0PAVE malicious email viruses (]) to try to further prevent EC0PAVE from giving a proper response in defence. The real irony here is that Guy Chapman who is a Misplaced Pages administrator, appears to be running he's own spamming and PR campaign in Misplaced Pages by '''using 3 seperate IP addresses''' which are clearly designed to assist in bringing consensus into arguments against users who's article (ideology) is not in par with his. See this transcript of the discussion that took place with Guy on my talk page on 17-10-06 which was later discretely deleted by Guy, this also raises an interesting question, how many other Misplaced Pages Administrators are using multiple IP addresses so as to help achieve consensus in a debate? Fact Finder 05:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| '''"IM OBVIOUSLY INSANE" says Guy, or is he?''' | |||
| ] said, "It is totally unfair to accuse users without proof or proper cause, show me one thing that I have done something that is spam? Right, there is none because I am not a spammer, get your facts straight mister before you accuse people. Im a new user so there is a LEARNING CURVE here also and people make mistakes too, I believe that you are showing total disregard towards this aspect here NETSNIPE, your user name is already indicative of your intentions here, you appear to be hell bent on a SNIPE!!. For you to be a proper representative of Misplaced Pages policies you should show a little understanding towards new users instead of jumping to automatic negative conclusions. Iam seriously considering not contributing to Misplaced Pages if this is the treatment that people get in here maby this was a mistake or maby that's what you realy want which would begg the question "what is your vested interest maby Eco-cement??". I seriously hope that common sence and a bit of understanding and good will, will prevail here if given half the chance. I am more than happy to give this a go with assurances that I am not a spammer or a user with any malicious intent, are you?. In the name of peace and harmony I am willing to go as far as to say that, Netsipe you pick what name you would be happy for me to use in Misplaced Pages just so that we can get along here OK!. And the last but not least matter regarding IP addresses! In this day and age of spam and viruses one would be totally insane to use a fixed IP address and be vulnerable for attacks, many companies refresh and reload their servers every day to erase spam and other rubbish that is accumulated during the day therefore the IP address has no real meaning to measure or validate users intentions and is not a REAL indication of a persons intent as a ] which refers that an individual is malicuious. The ONLY method that has any merit is to LOOK AT THEIR WORK and ACTIONS ONLY!" ] 60.230.51.158. 06:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)| '''"This is not about the username and it's not about other users, it's about you and your behaviour. If you want to edit Misplaced Pages you need to go back to one of your other accounts, request unblocking, and indicate acceptance of policy and undertake not to spam again. Mind you, I'm obviously insane as I use not one but three fixed IP addresses". Guy 18:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)}}'''<br> | |||
| '''People can make up their own minds by further reading the frustrating experience the Eco-cement inventor and CEO John Harrison went through getting the environmentally friendly cement accepted into Misplaced Pages and protecting the facts from being turned into fiction here in the Eco-cement discussion page,''' http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Eco-cement, | |||
| No one contributing into Misplaced Pages should have to endure this kind of treatment especially from admins that lack expert knowledge, common courtesy and good-will, ] ] 05:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)<br> | |||
| I must admit and say that I am a little reluctant to commence to contribute with articles into Misplaced Pages when this kind of rampant Admin generated abuse is going on. The spare time that I have available that I could use constructively by creating articles, makes me believe that it would all be in vain because they would un-doubtetly be attacked and shredded by these administrators which in effect could make me look very silly indeed, especially in my fields of expertise. '''I would like to make a very important''' '''observation which I have made while being in here''', '''and that is the Misplaced Pages "open editing format" and admin abuse towards users. The fact that "some" current administrators are able to willy nilly enforce article edits without in-depth specialised knowledge, ( see the Eco-cement story ) has the potential to not only harm other administrators, but also peoples (article contributors) professional reputations in their fields of expertise and effectively turning cutting edge scientists''' '''into apparent morons overnight'''. <br> | |||
| I have also been forced to recreate a new user (Fact Finder) profile and page because I was once again attacked and blocked from Misplaced Pages buy Guy Chapman who deleted all my talk page content and evidence that pointed to his antics, this administrator appears to be way out of control, (shakes head), ] 05:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)<br> | |||
| Anyone interested in having a look at what's going on here may want to also check this link to my previous ] user talk page which concerns accusations by Guy Chapman that I am supposedly a spammer which is a false accusation. Just because I have been evaluating whether I should start contributing in Misplaced Pages or not, does not make me a spammer. All I have done is to try "replace" factual information which I have written that was deleted and hence turned into fiction without any discussion, in an effort by this and "other" admins to give a totally distorted view of events concerning EC0PAVE. The page links which require removal from Misplaced Pages as I have highlighted in these following links, | |||
| *http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Fact_Finder,<br> | |||
| *Advice to new users regarding trademark and libel laws http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2006_October_22 | |||
| serve no other purpose except for Guy Chapman to increase his own notoriety and link exposure on the net at the expense of Misplaced Pages and the "dilution" ] of EC0PAVE AUSTRAL1A and GE032o Trademarks. <br> | |||
| Last but not least, there appears also to be this obvious overwhelming importance on the Misplaced Pages page,link and Google rank which is constantly expedited by some administrators who make it seem like this is the only important thing that matters at all in Misplaced Pages. We all know that these admins like Guy Chapman are benefitting from driving this link farm mentality and it only serves their own interests at the expense of the Misplaced Pages Encyclopedia. '''Recommendation''', '''Any Misplaced Pages administrator who copies article contents to other Misplaced Pages pages for no other reason than to make someone look bad, or deletes text by turning facts into fiction and therefore out of ] to try to achieve the same thing, or link to pages or content that would make the user look bad, should be automatically stripped of their Misplaced Pages administrator status''', '''because by doing these things the admin would be in breach of "]" conduct and quite clearly only interested in exersising''' "]". Also if The administrators emphasis is more in creating web and page links above article content or user help and guidance, the same removal of admin privelages should be made to apply, ] 10:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Fact Finder2 08:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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