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== Policy section == == General bias ==
Former section title: Energy and environment. Section renamed to reflect the broader discussion here, and the broader work-to-be-done.


There seems to be biased language in this section (as well as in other sections of the article). Specifically, it includes the following sentence: "Bryce has argued at length that, even with exorbitant government subsidies, renewable energy sources are simply inadequate to meet America's energy needs." The use of the word exorbitant in this context implies that large government subsidies are unreasonable, which is not a neutral position. Robert Bryce may believe that large subsidies are exorbitant, but it is not clear from the context here that this is merely his opinion. The phrase "simply inadequate" could also be edited to remove the word "simply" in order to appear more neutral. <br>
This has a ''whole lot'' of stating the MIPR's view on things as if it's objective fact in wikipedia's voice. Ex: "With modern medicine on the cusp of a radical transformation due to breakthroughs in precision medicine, the FDA has struggled to adapt its regulations to new scientific advances."] (]) 19:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
This sentence is even more biased: "In keeping with its commitment to free-market economic principles, the institute is opposed to high-cost, inefficient government mandates and subsidies." It reads as like a statement from the organization itself rather than a neutral party. It is completely unclear what kind of mandates or subsidies should be considered high-cost or inefficient, and seems to take the inefficiency of such things for granted.<br>
* Cited. Cheers! ] ] 22:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Elsewhere, Bill Gates is quoted praising the book ''The Bottomless Well'' by Institute senior fellows Peter Huber and Mark Mills. The citation for this links to an article put out by the Manhattan Institute themselves. I have not been able to find a more neutral source confirming this quote. In any case, Gates's opinion on the book doesn't seem relevant to the article, and its inclusion is likely to bias the reader. ] (]) 04:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


:Statements about climate change are also presented in a way that is not compliant with policy. Secondary reliable sources about the institute should be used and summarized rather than primary advocacy material (], ]). I tagged a source as such and the article has a relevant neutrality tag. I don't have the time to work on this article at current time and invite anyone interested to help per ]. Thanks, —]] – 02:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
== Advert tag ==


::I took a stab at being bold and deleted the Cass primary-source quote, replacing it with material from a New York Times story that describes his and the institute's position on climate science. ] (]) 00:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
{{ping|Visite fortuitement prolongée}} I noticed that you added an advert tag to the article, but did not indicate on the talk page what, specifically, you found to be advertorial about it. I have put some work into making this article very thorough and informative, and I have made an effort to try to reflect the tone of reliable sources on the subject. Is there some specific content that you feel is not supported, or something that you feel is missing from the article? If so, then we can work on making improvements, but if not, I would be inclined to remove the tag. Cheers! ] ] 22:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I just removed ] from Lesser that only cited the advocacy org. I'm not sure if it's usable, but an independent source mentioning Lesser's views is https://www.energyandpolicy.org/lesser-climate-denier-attacks-electric-vehicles/ ; one about Cass is https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/climate/pruitt-epa-red-blue-team-debate-emails.html that is probably usable. I have found Greenpeace reports listing the institute as Exxon and Koch funded like https://www.eenews.net/assets/2019/03/26/document_cw_01.pdf https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Global/usa/report/2010/3/koch-industries-secretly-fund.pdf that I'm not sure are usable. —]] – 15:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
:I just deleted a completely unsourced paragraph, with unsourced promotional language. It seems pretty clear this article has been influenced by policy-violating ] and/or ] editing. I endorse the NPOV banner, and I endorse anyone who wants to ]ly edit the article to be ]. ] (]) 14:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
*I've made an effort to clean the article up. {{ping|Alsee}}, {{ping|PaleoNeonate}}, {{ping|Jackk225}}: Do you think it's better now? Good enough to remove the tag? Or are there still issues? Even with a lot of this cleanup, it feels like the article spends a ''lot'' of time trying to convince the reader how important the Manhattan Institutes' fellows are (there's probably still some stuff about their activities outside the Manhattan Institute that could stand to be cleaned up.) --] (]) 04:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
*:@] I didn't review quite all of it, but everything I that did review was great work.
*:I removed the Neutrality tag. I'm seeing about 13 citation neededs. I don't know if you want to make the effort to come back to this article in maybe one-to-six months, but much of that tagged content can probably be nuked if it stays unsourced. Or maybe some random editor will read this months (or years) from now, in which case I invite that future <s>victim</s>''volunteer'' to hack away at it. ] (]) 09:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
::It's still far from an ideal article of course, but these were obvious improvements. Thanks, —]] – 21:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


== NPOV (resurrected) == == Culture War Issues ==


The Manhattan Institute has recently gained new prominence after Chris Rufo, one of its Senior Fellows, has started high-profile campaigns about Critical Race Theory and more recently alleged links between Disney and pedophila. Articles about these topics have been published in City Journal as well. Should this be added in the article as a separate header, possible as a new phase in the Institute's development? Happy to provide links if that would be helpful.
This article reads like a press release. It thoroughly violates Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. It is full of quotations that praise the writings, but there is no mention of the fact that many of the positions advocated are controversial or have been thoroughly debunked. For example, the section describing "broken windows" policing states that crime in NYC declined when Bratton was police chief, implying that the "broken windows" policy works, but neglects to mention that crime rates all over the country decrease at that time, and that C. R. Sridhar compared cities that used "broken windows" policing to cities that used other policies and concluded that "broken windows" did not in fact reduce crime. Similarly, reading this articlem a reader has no idea that "supply side" economics is widely regarded as more a rhetorical device for justifying tax cuts for the wealthy than a theory that accurately describes our economy. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 07:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Hey ], add such a citing it in the main article would be great, no? ] (]) 15:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC) ] (]) 15:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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Manhattan Institute for Psychoanalysis

In order to distinguish the Manhattan Institute from the Manhattan Institute for Psychoanalysis (www.manhattanpsychoanalysis.com) should I first create a listing for the organization? After which we can add redirectors from the MI listing and from the MIP listing that clarify the different organizations?

--cbelz

General bias

Former section title: Energy and environment. Section renamed to reflect the broader discussion here, and the broader work-to-be-done. 

There seems to be biased language in this section (as well as in other sections of the article). Specifically, it includes the following sentence: "Bryce has argued at length that, even with exorbitant government subsidies, renewable energy sources are simply inadequate to meet America's energy needs." The use of the word exorbitant in this context implies that large government subsidies are unreasonable, which is not a neutral position. Robert Bryce may believe that large subsidies are exorbitant, but it is not clear from the context here that this is merely his opinion. The phrase "simply inadequate" could also be edited to remove the word "simply" in order to appear more neutral.
This sentence is even more biased: "In keeping with its commitment to free-market economic principles, the institute is opposed to high-cost, inefficient government mandates and subsidies." It reads as like a statement from the organization itself rather than a neutral party. It is completely unclear what kind of mandates or subsidies should be considered high-cost or inefficient, and seems to take the inefficiency of such things for granted.
Elsewhere, Bill Gates is quoted praising the book The Bottomless Well by Institute senior fellows Peter Huber and Mark Mills. The citation for this links to an article put out by the Manhattan Institute themselves. I have not been able to find a more neutral source confirming this quote. In any case, Gates's opinion on the book doesn't seem relevant to the article, and its inclusion is likely to bias the reader. Jackk225 (talk) 04:58, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Statements about climate change are also presented in a way that is not compliant with policy. Secondary reliable sources about the institute should be used and summarized rather than primary advocacy material (WP:PRIMARY, WP:ABOUTSELF). I tagged a source as such and the article has a relevant neutrality tag. I don't have the time to work on this article at current time and invite anyone interested to help per WP:BOLD. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate02:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I took a stab at being bold and deleted the Cass primary-source quote, replacing it with material from a New York Times story that describes his and the institute's position on climate science. 24.163.84.190 (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I just removed this from Lesser that only cited the advocacy org. I'm not sure if it's usable, but an independent source mentioning Lesser's views is https://www.energyandpolicy.org/lesser-climate-denier-attacks-electric-vehicles/ ; one about Cass is https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/climate/pruitt-epa-red-blue-team-debate-emails.html that is probably usable. I have found Greenpeace reports listing the institute as Exxon and Koch funded like https://www.eenews.net/assets/2019/03/26/document_cw_01.pdf https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Global/usa/report/2010/3/koch-industries-secretly-fund.pdf that I'm not sure are usable. —PaleoNeonate15:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
I just deleted a completely unsourced paragraph, with unsourced promotional language. It seems pretty clear this article has been influenced by policy-violating WP:COI and/or WP:PAID editing. I endorse the NPOV banner, and I endorse anyone who wants to WP:Boldly edit the article to be more neutral. Alsee (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
  • I've made an effort to clean the article up. @Alsee:, @PaleoNeonate:, @Jackk225:: Do you think it's better now? Good enough to remove the tag? Or are there still issues? Even with a lot of this cleanup, it feels like the article spends a lot of time trying to convince the reader how important the Manhattan Institutes' fellows are (there's probably still some stuff about their activities outside the Manhattan Institute that could stand to be cleaned up.) --Aquillion (talk) 04:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
    @Aquillion I didn't review quite all of it, but everything I that did review was great work.
    I removed the Neutrality tag. I'm seeing about 13 citation neededs. I don't know if you want to make the effort to come back to this article in maybe one-to-six months, but much of that tagged content can probably be nuked if it stays unsourced. Or maybe some random editor will read this months (or years) from now, in which case I invite that future victimvolunteer to hack away at it. Alsee (talk) 09:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
It's still far from an ideal article of course, but these were obvious improvements. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate21:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Culture War Issues

The Manhattan Institute has recently gained new prominence after Chris Rufo, one of its Senior Fellows, has started high-profile campaigns about Critical Race Theory and more recently alleged links between Disney and pedophila. Articles about these topics have been published in City Journal as well. Should this be added in the article as a separate header, possible as a new phase in the Institute's development? Happy to provide links if that would be helpful. LaurelhurstLiberal (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

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