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	== The lead should be changed ==

	The lead should be change to better reflect the article and to remove bias, in it's current state the article lead doesn't mention the savage division entering Baku and shooting military personnel stationed there indiscriminately which led to the civil unrest. ] (]) 09:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
	:What you said is already mentioned in the lead as {{tq\|"Other sources interpret the March events in the context of civil war unrest"}}. This sentence is further expanded in other parts of the article. Leads should be short and to the point per ]. — ] <b style="solid black"> ]] </b> 10:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

	== Edit warring ==

	I have seen that recently, there has been an edit war over Jews being murdered in this article. While I am a newcomer and do not know anything about this topic, I am simply asking for you to discuss this on the talk page, instead of reverting each other's edits. Just be civil.

⚫	] (]) 15:12, 11 ~~November~~ ~~2020~~ (UTC)
	:You're correct. This should be resolved in the talk page. {{ping\|185.120.126.65}}, {{ping\|Kevo327}} please discuss and reach ] before making any more edits. — ] <b style="solid black"> ]] </b> 15:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

	It is simply unacceptable that the Dashnak massacre of 3000 Jews is being reverted, when it is cited as a matter of fact in peer reviewed journals. I cannot help but not that the user who keeps removing that information appears to be an Armenian Nationalist. Furthermore, I would like to note that he referred to Smith's statement as "unsourced jewish propaganda" when it is nothing of the kind.
	] (]) 16:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

	:Have you ever read ]? The content you are adding keeps getting deleted by me and other users keeps getting deleted because the sources you provide are not up to wikipedia standard. The first one being a ] and the smith source was removed by another user for being "unverifiable" as he worded it, which i imagine is because the source can't be opened to check if it actually includes any of the content that is cited from it. Adding multiple ] accredited sources is norm on Misplaced Pages and not pointing fingers and calling names. ] (]) 19:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

	:Not to mention that you are breaking the article's efn tamplate every time you add stuff.
	:As for me I stopped trying to apply Misplaced Pages rules here because it somehow makes me "antisemitic".
	:Not to mention that I did you a favour and not reported you for taunting and harassing me on my talk page. ] (]) 19:52, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


	Assume good faith? "jewish propaganda" says it all. Enjoy losing Shusha. I will provide more sources for these horrendous armenian war crimes.
	] (]) 21:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

	: and also read ] and ], it seems that I forgot to mention them, and yes all unsourced and unreliable information can be called (propaganda, vandalism, historic revisionism, etc.) And I'll be checking the sources you just provided. I also suggest that you read ] and ]. ] (]) 23:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

	: the sources you added are interviews that express ] thus they are unreliable, and a broken link, I'll be removing them. ] (]) 23:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

	== Protected edit request on 4 December 2020 ==		== Protected edit request on 4 December 2020 ==
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	Hello, I would like the information I have been attempting to add to this article restored, ie that the dashnaks massacred 3000 Jews in Quba as well as "Muslim group". I provided six sources including two academic sources and several newspaper articles, including an interview with the head of the Mountain Jewish community that represents the Jews of Quba. If you want, I can try to provide more sources but they may not be in english. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=March_Days&diff=992200625&oldid=992199717 ] (]) 07:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)		Hello, I would like the information I have been attempting to add to this article restored, ie that the dashnaks massacred 3000 Jews in Quba as well as "Muslim group". I provided six sources including two academic sources and several newspaper articles, including an interview with the head of the Mountain Jewish community that represents the Jews of Quba. If you want, I can try to provide more sources but they may not be in english. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=March_Days&diff=992200625&oldid=992199717 ] (]) 07:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

	*'''comment on given sources above''' : the provided "academic" sources by user are:<br> 1- one contemporary work published in Baku with a clear anti Armenian sentiment and of no historic proof or value. <br> 2- another biased Academic work citing the one above. <br> 3- Azerbaijani news articles, Azerbaijan ranks 168 from 180 on press freedom; there's a large chance of state-promoted anti-Armenian propaganda, news sites provided by user are usually used only on non-controversial topics in other articles. - ] (]) 08:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)		*'''comment on given sources above''' : the provided "academic" sources by user are:<br> 1- one contemporary work published in Baku with a clear anti Armenian sentiment and of no historic proof or value. <br> 2- another biased Academic work citing the one above. <br> 3- Azerbaijani news articles, Azerbaijan ranks 168 from 180 on press freedom; there's a large chance of state-promoted anti-Armenian propaganda, news sites provided by user are usually used only on non-controversial topics in other articles. - ] (]) 08:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
	:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{tlx\|edit protected}} template.<!-- Template:EP --> — ] <small>(]'''·'''])</small> 08:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)		:] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a ] for this alteration ''']''' using the {{tlx\|edit protected}} template.<!-- Template:EP --> — ] <small>(]'''·'''])</small> 08:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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	{{U\|CuriousGolden}}, {{U\|Kevo327}}, head to here and achieve a consensus on your feud. --► Sincerely: ''']]''' 17:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)		{{U\|CuriousGolden}}, {{U\|Kevo327}}, head to here and achieve a consensus on your feud. --► Sincerely: ''']]''' 17:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
	:We've already opened a discussion on . — ] <b style="solid black"> ]] </b> 17:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)		:We've already opened a discussion on . — ] <b style="solid black"> ]] </b> 17:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

			== Brill article (2014) ==
			Anyone who's planning on working on this article should obtain this (relatively) new article. You can get it through ] (or me).
			* {{cite journal \|last1=Smith \|first1=Michael G. \|title=The March Events and Baku Commune of 1918 \|journal=Russian History \|date=2014 \|volume=41 \|issue=2 \|pages=197–210 \|doi=10.1163/18763316-04102006}}

		⚫	- ] (]) 20:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, I would like the information I have been attempting to add to this article restored, ie that the dashnaks massacred 3000 Jews in Quba as well as "Muslim group". I provided six sources including two academic sources and several newspaper articles, including an interview with the head of the Mountain Jewish community that represents the Jews of Quba. If you want, I can try to provide more sources but they may not be in english. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=March_Days&diff=992200625&oldid=992199717 185.120.124.31 (talk) 07:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

comment on given sources above : the provided "academic" sources by user are:
1- one contemporary work published in Baku with a clear anti Armenian sentiment and of no historic proof or value.
2- another biased Academic work citing the one above.
3- Azerbaijani news articles, Azerbaijan ranks 168 from 180 on press freedom; there's a large chance of state-promoted anti-Armenian propaganda, news sites provided by user are usually used only on non-controversial topics in other articles. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:21, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

- Comments on the sources:
- - The first source (Mustafaev, Marshy) I can not find at all; Is there an ISBN?
  - The second source refers to the first source (Mustafaev, Marshy) here. The second source (Isgenderili) is self-published through the vanity press Xlibris which makes it questionable. The second source (Isgenderili) also engages in genocide revisionism (p50) which suggests a bias. I don't think we know much about the second source (Isgenderili) author either, his background or eminence; It looks like this is his only publication.
  - The third source (no author) is a repeat of the first source

Edit war

CuriousGolden, Kevo327, head to here and achieve a consensus on your feud. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 17:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

We've already opened a discussion on another page. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 17:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Brill article (2014)

Anyone who's planning on working on this article should obtain this (relatively) new article. You can get it through WP:REX (or me).

Smith, Michael G. (2014). "The March Events and Baku Commune of 1918". Russian History. 41 (2): 197–210. doi:10.1163/18763316-04102006.

- LouisAragon (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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