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| == (comment from August 2005) == | |||
| ==Self-contradictory paragraphs== | |||
| The two paragraphs which come under the heading Comparison with DNA seem to be self-contradictory. The first states that “RNA is a single-stranded molecule in most of its biological roles”, while the second states that “most biologically active RNAs … are extensively base paired to form double stranded helices”. This is non-sense.] (]) 11:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :The lead picture (part of a pre-mRNA) shows how a single-stranded RNA forms a double helix. Though the text shouldn't say "double ''stranded'' helices", will remove that word. ] (]) 19:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==(comment from August 2005)== | |||
| I wanted sdto look up RNA in the wikipedia thinking that it would be able to give me a good starting point to understanding it. However, what I got was what's posted which tells me absolutely nothing as a newbie to genetics. Could someone please lay some ground rules about this kind of thing. It seems to me that since you can put lots of links in the definition of an entry, the entry loses it's coherence for someone like me. I think a good rule for wikipedia entries is that there should only be 3 links allowed in the opening general description paragraph of an article. | I wanted sdto look up RNA in the wikipedia thinking that it would be able to give me a good starting point to understanding it. However, what I got was what's posted which tells me absolutely nothing as a newbie to genetics. Could someone please lay some ground rules about this kind of thing. It seems to me that since you can put lots of links in the definition of an entry, the entry loses it's coherence for someone like me. I think a good rule for wikipedia entries is that there should only be 3 links allowed in the opening general description paragraph of an article. | ||
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| == Loads of prebiotic molecules found in Milky Way? == | |||
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| ==RNAi and therapeutic RNA molecules== | |||
| With recent emergence of research interest in the use of RNA for therapeutic purposes from academia, biotech and pharma alike, a joint effort is desirable to include a small introductory mention (one-line in the intro para) followed by a detailed description of this field | |||
| ] | |||
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| Ribosomal RNA?? | |||
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| "exploit this property by" removed (anthromorphic - people exploit things, molecules do not) | |||
| ", and so has fallen out of favour among complex organisms as the preferred genetic material" also removed - most organisms don't know what kinds of molecules they contain and couldn't desired to change them even if they knew. | |||
| >>>Should use "naturally selected" or "eliminated by natural selection" ? | |||
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| It looks like we are quite pedant,isn't it? | |||
| It's quite obvious that words like "exploit this property" referring to RNA molecules are just a convenient metaphor... | |||
| Just have a look to *every* peer-reviewed scientific journal to find *thousands* of such metaphors. | |||
| When giving a scientific explanation, many times euphemisms are utilized to make things easier to understand. Going through an article and removing metaphors because it does not suit your idea of the english langauge is not improving the article, it is merely being a langauge snob. | |||
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| "RNA transmits information from DNA to proteins" is a form of a ] It might not be a good idea to mention it in an encyclopedic article in exactly that form, even though it's good enough for a school textbook. Technically only mRNA does transmission. Other kinds of RNA may or may not be involved. | |||
| ] 20:02, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Who discovered dsRNA? == | |||
| I've seen references as old as from 1976 to dsRNA, but despite fairly aggressive searching, I have not been able to convince myself of who discovered it, how they did so, and when. Did dsRNA discovery coincide with DNA discovery? | |||
| ] 22:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Misc== | |||
| OK, I read this article today and I found the following paragraph. I think someone is clearly yanking my chain here: | |||
| In the late 1990s and early 2000, there has been persistent evidence of more complex sex occurring in mammalian cells (and possibly others). This could point towards a more widespread use of dildos in biology, particularly in gene regulation. A particular class of dildos, micro dildo, has been found in many metazoans (from Caenorhabditis elegans to Homo sapiens) and clearly plays an important role in regulating other horny people. | |||
| ] 12:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :That's called vandalism, feel free to revert it | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Hi there. I wondered if the contributors to this page might have some input on this article. ] 22:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Relative amounts == | |||
| I came to this article to find out what the relative amounts of the respective forms of RNA would be inside your average cell. The article doesn't even make any attempt to express this. I am going to be looking elsewhere, but if anyone has information handy and can add it into the articlebefore I do - that would be great.--] 04:29, 9 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :It depends on the type of cell, and on how you want to quantify the relative amounts. If you want to know on the basis of mass, I believe rRNA is the most abundant, however if you want to know molar amounts then it would likely be tRNA - also I haven't seen any numbers of the molar amounts of the more recently discovered small RNAs. ] 20:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I just removed something added about 4% of RNA being mRNA - something like this should probably be referenced and qualified - 4% by weight? 4% of the RNA molecules? Big difference! ] 21:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::mRNA makes up about 2% of the transcription output in a cell (see Mattick JS, 2001, EMBO Reports). It's hard to quantify non-coding RNAs because a significant percentage of them simply hasn't been categorized yet. I believe I saw some rough figures before, I'll try to dig up the article. -Lp ] 16:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] 16:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC) i wonder,why there must be 3 bases in either RNA and DNA?why not they exist as 4 bases/pair since they have 4 bases?what is the rule or evidence that shows RNA and DNA must be in 3 bases? | |||
| ::K-crash, do you mean why are codons made up of 3 bases? See the ] article ] 19:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==RNA secondary structure== | |||
| The secondary structure section looks pretty thin currently. It would be good to have a figure showing an RNA helix, links to the ] article. Describe covariation versus sequence conservation. ] 07:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| zbmcm z <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==The diversity of RNA== | |||
| I believe this article could do more to impress upon the reader the amazing diversity (and emerging importance) of RNA. Consider, for a moment, the following: | |||
| *]s and ]s and known be involved in RNAi-related gene-silencing events in many eukaryotes: | |||
| **]s: ~28nt siRNAs are specifically expressed during conjugation. | |||
| *]s | |||
| *endogenous ]s — can fall into different classes (based on their biogenesis and function) such as: | |||
| **]s ('''t'''rans-'''a'''cting '''s'''hort '''i'''nterfering RNAs) | |||
| **]s | |||
| **heterochromatic siRNAs | |||
| *]s | |||
| *]s | |||
| *]s ('''r'''epeat '''a'''ssociated '''siRNA''') | |||
| *]s (discovered in 2006 and found to be abundant in developing sex cells. A male animal missing these would be infertile) | |||
| *] / ] (turns off the second X chromosome in females; see ]) | |||
| *] ('''p'''regnancy-'''i'''nduced '''n'''on-'''c'''oding RNA) | |||
| *] (aka RNA interference) | |||
| *etc. --] 01:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| On the issue of diversity, I don't think ncRNA should be at the same level as tRNA, mRNA, etc as it is now. It's either coding (mRNA) or non-coding (everything else). The list is also redundant (and in danger of becoming out of sync) with same list in the ncRNA page. -Lp ] 16:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==GA Review== | |||
| The article is actually pretty close to meeting the ], although there's still a couple of issues. I already fixed a couple of minor grammatical/spelling/MOS issues, but a few larger issues remain: | |||
| * The lead section is overall very good, but the sentence introducing mRNA, tRNA, and rRNA could be rewritten to be a bit better. Why not just state the names of these three types of RNA, since they are all pretty major, related, and certainly important to the concept of RNA. True, they're covered in detail later in the article, but they should be mentioned explicitly in the lead, too, which should be a good summary of the article. | |||
| * Combine the 'secondary structure' section into the 'chemical and stereochemical structure' section. In fact, I would just rename the main section to 'structure', and possibly include the secondary structure content as a subsection within it. Also, the current wording is a bit vague and ambiguous -- the title of the section is 'secondary structure', but the first sentence introducing the section goes on to refer to 'tertiary structure'. This should be cleared up. The section should also just discuss the basics of RNA secondary & tertiary structure, and not list external links for various software packages used to analyze this -- as it's written, the section looks mainly like an advertisement for these software packages (even if many of them are free). Some of these links might be moved to 'external links', but most of them can probably be safely removed from the article entirely. | |||
| * I would recommend moving the third paragraph under 'chemical and stereochemical structure' to the second, or before the paragraph talking about modified bases. I think we want to talk about the key aspects of RNA structure first, and the 3'-OH is one of these. Some modification in the writing should be done, though, because I can see why modified bases got put where it did, since we started talking about the bases, then go into modified bases, and then the 3'-OH. Maybe we should mention the ribose, then the phosphate, the 3'-OH, and then the bases, so that the modified bases paragraph can come in at the very end. | |||
| * The 'biological roles' section seems to start out by actually talking about various types of RNA, and then goes into some of the actual biological roles. And then, after three other sections, is a section entitled 'List of RNAs'. I think it would make sense to have two sections here; first, a section entitled 'types of RNA' (or simply 'types'). This should contain a short paragraph on the more important types of RNA, such as mRNA, tRNA, and rRNA, and then use the table in the current list section. Immediately after this section, put a section called 'biological roles', and discuss how these different types of RNA are used and what their function is. Both sections should be close together, because they are related. | |||
| * Change the title of 'history' to 'discovery'; I think this would be more descriptive of what is actually being discussed here, since it covers the discovery of RNA and the discovery of various types of RNA. | |||
| * The 'RNA world hypothesis' section is completely uncited, and very short. I actually don't think a main section is needed for this at all. Since there's another article on this anyway, I'd write a good sentence or two, with a citation, and put it into possibly the 'history'/'discovery' section, or maybe 'biological roles'. The sentence itself can link to the ] article, so no 'see also' link is necessary. | |||
| * The 'therapeutic RNA' section could be written better. First, the term 'therapeutic RNA', should itself be used in the section itself, instead of just in the section title, if you're defining it. I'm not sure it should go in its own main section; it might fit better under the history/discovery section, discussing future avenues of research. | |||
| * It might be worth mentioning that RNA is also a potential drug target. There are existing drugs that actually target some forms of RNA, such as the ] antibiotics, among others. While this is probably worth mentioning, it's less important for ]. It would be almost a must for FA status, though. | |||
| I think that should cover the key issues with the article. I think once these are fixed, the article can be promoted to GA status. I'll put this '''on hold''' at ] until 1/19/2007, and review it again. Cheers! ] (]) 04:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks! They look like good suggestions, so I've follow them and changed the article (save for adding ribosome inhibitors). ] (]) 16:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| FWIW - (For being ''aware only'' of newly published relevant studies - not necessarily to incorporate into the main article) - On 8 July 2022, astronomers reported the discovery of massive amounts of ]s, including for ], in the ] of the ].<ref name="SA-20220708">{{cite news |last=Starr |first=Michelle |title=Loads of Precursors For RNA Have Been Detected in The Center of Our Galaxy |url=https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-found-a-bunch-of-rna-precursors-in-the-galactic-center |date=8 July 2022 |work=] |accessdate=9 July 2022 }}</ref><ref name=FASS-20220708">{{cite journal |author=Rivilla, Victor M. |display-authors=et al. |title=Molecular Precursors of the RNA-World in Space: New Nitriles in the G+0.693−0.027 Molecular Cloud |url=https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspas.2022.876870/full |date=8 July 2022 |journal=] |doi=10.3389/fspas.2022.876870 |accessdate=9 July 2022 }}</ref> - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - ] (]) 13:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ::The article looks just about ready for GA. One minor issue, though. In the 'types of RNA' section, I think it would be good to have subsections covering transfer RNA & ribosomal RNA as well, preferably right after the subsection on mRNA. All three of these (mRNA, tRNA, and rRNA) are major types of RNA, and I think a short subsection describing them is necessary here, rather than just relying on the list. The list is fine for some of the other RNA types, though, since they're not quite as major. | |||
| {{reflist-talk}} ] (]) 13:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == double stranded molekul by default? == | |||
| ::Other than that, the article looks great! I think it can be promoted once this issue is fixed. Cheers! ] (]) 19:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Just looking superficially at the images in the article, one can think that RNA is a (mostly) double stranded molecule. however, that is not true as far I know. I think at least, first image should be a single stranded RNA image. ] (]) 02:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'd rather not explain them in the types section, that section isn't good for context, and you saw that it looked a little messy when the biological roles section (where both tRNA and rRNA are explained) was crammed in under non-coding RNA. And I sure wouldn't list them outside of non-coding RNA! That would give the impression they aren't from RNA genes. But I can move more from the RNA types section to biological roles to make the types section even more of an overview, with all the details in the biological roles section. ] (]) 22:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Too technical first sentence == | |||
| ::::Ok, after re-reading the section, it looks fine as-is. I guess I was kind expecting tRNA and rRNA to have their own sections, but I agree with their simple listing under 'non-coding RNAs', now that I correctly see what you've done. Good work! Article promoted. ] (]) 22:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The first sentence leans on very specialized terms. | |||
| ::::: :) | |||
| ::::: I think I'll go ahead with moving most of the the mRNA section to translation and a bit of the dsRNA section to gene regulation, since I guess one would expect tRNA and rRNA to follow directly after mRNA in the text. | |||
| :::::] (]) 23:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::(done) ] (]) 00:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Abbreviated: ''RNA is essential in various biological roles in coding, decoding, regulation and expression of genes.'' | |||
| == 5' Cap, 3' PolyA tail == | |||
| Just wondering why there has been absolutely no mention of these. They are required for an RNA molecule to leave the nucleus. Without them they are degraded by various enzymes in the cytoplasm. A 5' Cap is added almost as soon as transcription begins!! ] (]) 11:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Just add it in and see what happens. People might argue that it is well-covered at ], but a brief mention wouldn't hurt, since this is where people would expect to at least to be able to click on ] and ]. ] (]) 12:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| * It could be worth a mention under synthesis, even though only RNAs transcribed by RNA polymerase II get the cap and tail. I don't think the export should be mentioned, it is specific to eukaryotic messenger RNA, e.g. pri-miRNA has its cap and tail removed before being exported. ] (]) 12:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| In the first sentence we should strive to convey the essentials in a way that many can understand. Here is a trial: | |||
| RNA is essential for all biological functions, either by performing that function itself (]) or by forming a template for production of proteins (]). ] (]) 08:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == List of RNAs article == | |||
| == Better introductory picture == | |||
| To avoid repetition with the ncRNA article I propose that *we* make a dedicated 'List of RNAs' article and link to it from the 'List of RNAs' and 'Types of non-coding RNAs' sections of the RNA and ncRNA articles. --Ppgardne 13:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| is a good introductory picture for RNA. The site says that it is public domain. ] (]) 08:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :You mean like moving the List of RNAs section to its own article? Or transclude (probably less good)? You are right about it being too much repetition. The bits about large non-coding RNAs in the ncRNA article could be moved to its own article as well and added to the list as a link. ] (]) 20:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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(comment from August 2005)
I wanted sdto look up RNA in the wikipedia thinking that it would be able to give me a good starting point to understanding it. However, what I got was what's posted which tells me absolutely nothing as a newbie to genetics. Could someone please lay some ground rules about this kind of thing. It seems to me that since you can put lots of links in the definition of an entry, the entry loses it's coherence for someone like me. I think a good rule for wikipedia entries is that there should only be 3 links allowed in the opening general description paragraph of an article.
basically DNA the instructions for are organisms is found in the nucleus. however it can not leave the nucleus so when "instructions" need to be send out, part of the DNA is unraveled and copied. dna is made of four base pairs. i shall use just the letters A, T, C ang G. amazing yes that all life is described in changing patterns of these. A always pairs with T and C with G. because DNA is two strands. when copying dna the two strands are unraveled and one side is copied because if know one side you know the other. RNA bases (the same as DNA bases except use U instead of T) go into the nucleus and bind to the complimentary DNA bases. They then polymerise into the RNA strand. This is transcription. If it is a mRNA then it is later translated into protein.
that is the most basic explaination without getting into virii and other things.
Loads of prebiotic molecules found in Milky Way?
FWIW - (For being aware only of newly published relevant studies - not necessarily to incorporate into the main article) - On 8 July 2022, astronomers reported the discovery of massive amounts of prebiotic molecules, including for RNA, in the galactic center of the Milky Way Galaxy. - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
References
- Starr, Michelle (8 July 2022). "Loads of Precursors For RNA Have Been Detected in The Center of Our Galaxy". ScienceAlert. Retrieved 9 July 2022.
- Rivilla, Victor M.; et al. (8 July 2022). "Molecular Precursors of the RNA-World in Space: New Nitriles in the G+0.693−0.027 Molecular Cloud". Frontiers in Astronomy and Space Sciences. doi:10.3389/fspas.2022.876870. Retrieved 9 July 2022.
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Drbogdan (talk) 13:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
double stranded molekul by default?
Just looking superficially at the images in the article, one can think that RNA is a (mostly) double stranded molecule. however, that is not true as far I know. I think at least, first image should be a single stranded RNA image. Araz Zeyniyev (talk) 02:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Too technical first sentence
The first sentence leans on very specialized terms.
Abbreviated: RNA is essential in various biological roles in coding, decoding, regulation and expression of genes.
In the first sentence we should strive to convey the essentials in a way that many can understand. Here is a trial:
RNA is essential for all biological functions, either by performing that function itself (Non-coding RNA) or by forming a template for production of proteins (messenger RNA). Ettrig (talk) 08:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Better introductory picture
Here is a good introductory picture for RNA. The site says that it is public domain. Ettrig (talk) 08:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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