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Feedback/opinions needed on Bibliography for Hrant Dink

Hi, would you mind giving me your opinion regarding this? Thx! --Free smyrnan 13:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Dates

Hi. In a recent edit to Andranik Margaryan you gave the edit summary "Misplaced Pages uses month and day not day, month". Actually, we use both! The reason we wikilink dates is because users can change how dates are displayed in their preferences. For example, I prefer European style dating (26 March) so I have my preferences set to use this dating style. Just thought you might like to know! Natalie 17:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty cool. So if you come across dates (month and day) that aren't wikified, wikify them so the preferences will work. Natalie 18:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Armenian resistance

I forgot to take off the caps on it heh. Artaxiad 03:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Artaxiad 03:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep, thanks. Artaxiad 03:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Depends probably, maybe I'll visit Armenia and Turkey first, monitor the Karabakh lines do reports, but if a war starts hayastan hamer kiruv ka anem. Artaxiad 19:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but I don't see a point in school since if I go to panag I have a 85% death rate, all that knowledge is gone. Artaxiad 19:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On March 30, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eynulla Fatullayev, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks Fedayee Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

sebinkarahisar

I have no problem with the battle or resistance, call it whatever you want. But when you say it happened during an "AG campaign" (in my words), it's really really stretching it. It was a battle in every sense of the word, and every battle has a loser. I mean, even you say they were holed up, armed, and burned the village down before anyone even did anything to them. So how is this a AG incident I have no idea -if anything - they would have been arrested today in the United States even. Do you have any non-Armenian sources by the way? I think you need to stick to one of the compromises made by other editors. --Oguz1 19:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not arguing whether or not "AG" timeperiod encompassed this event's timeline. A thousand other events happened between 1915-1917 such as Russian invasion Trabzon aided by 30,000 Armenian volunteers of Russian Army, the Armenian Army, the 10,000 strong Armenian French Foreign Legion fighting as regular forces, ARF/Hunchak/Dashnak and other "political" partis conductiong various operations against the Ottoman Empire, the Gulbenkian (mr. 5 percent) swindle, and other various uprisings. You can not blame every single thing on the Ottomans - it's impossible by laws of chance alone. These are all different events within the same timeline, some seemingly unrelated in organization - but with the same goal and instigated by Armenians and for the sole purpose of obtaining an independent Armenian state from Ottoman lands. For you to say the Sebin "resistance" - which actually was an insurgent terrorist operation - was part of a defensive effort by armed and non-local Armenians, is an insult to anyone in history who actually did defend themselves from occupation and annihilation. Bottom line is, you can not blame this event on anybody but the Armenians who burned down a village that was mostly Turkish. If anything, this was a criminal and terrorist operation by armed militants, that required a response by law, even today, even in America, even in Armenia would require the same or even deadlier response from the governmen. --Oguz1 13:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not rejecting or accepting genocide in itself - so don't accuse people of being denialists, after you call them murderers. The term "Armenian genocide" did not even exist untill after the 1960s, so it's impossible for you to conclude that any resistance was in response to "genocide". The people at the time did not even classify it that way, how could they even possibly fathom the thougt - and where and why did they get their arms from when arms were outlawed for all civilians? If they had known it was "genocide", they would surely have left many many years ago, and all the nations in the world have would have recognized it as suc many many years ago. SBy your logic, majority of the world is denialist as well. So, you are falsely accusing me of denying an event which in itself has not been proven nor disproven, nor does any Armeian body would like to go to court for it. So, how can I inject POV when there is not one single court in the entire World that has classified the events as one way or another, except the self-examining Turkish ones have said some people were extreme? History speaks for itslef, and that makes your entry POV because you are quoting things from a book that are ot in the book - nor ever occured in history -specifially classifications of genocide of every Armenian death on almost every Turkish city page. Also, I try very hard to remain objective because your ancestors are also partly my ancestors and nobody is ever 100% something, ever. that includes innocence. Before you accuse me of genocide, and so conveniently the "denial of genocide", please examine your own roots carefully. As far as second class citizenship for Armenians - that's a lotta horsecrap and you know it - take for example the first President of the Democratic Republic of Armenia - his father was the governor of Egypt representing Ottoman interests. Mr FICE PERCENT Gulbenkian - the richest man of the 20th century and possibly ever - was an Ottoman Armenian official who was assigned by the Ottoman Emperor to represent Ottoman interests but sold out to the Brits and French and financed ASAL and other terrorist organizations. Why? Greed. It is true now as it was then.

1. I said Gulbenkian supported orgs LIKE ASALA 2. I said the word "Armenian geocide" did not exist till 60s, it was called Armenan massacres for 90 years. 3. The "big" countries passing genocide laws are the very ones that were fighting the Ottoman empire and supporting Armenians - of course they are going to pass laws (French-Armenian legion for god sakes!!!). 4. German witnesses never said it was "genocide", "massacre" they may have. 5. EVERYBODy in the Ottoman empire was 2nd class, in fact everybody the Sultan was considered "slave", not in the terms used by the West but Sultan's Kole" as in his servants. Nobody had freedom or democracy it was an empire, and by nature Empires are opperisve. Most empires, inlusding roman, greek, british, dutch are even worse - they actually enslaved and "bred out" other races...let's not go there. 6. When saying Turks committed "genocide" that means you are calling Turks murderers...I'm not sure how else that can be interpreted. 7. Where are the all the cities with deaths? I think they would have started with the Armenian Patriarch and Istanbul - but instead the sultan himslef sent people like Gulbenkian on tours of duty, had Armenian Governors, businessmen, Robert College, Near East Relief Orgs working ou tin the open, that's seems a bit ODD to say the very least. 8. If it's such a FACT and everybody knows this, I would not sit here and argue with you. I am not the only person who has questions and reservations about the subject - some things obviously do not add up. It's natural for me (or anyone) to question things. that doesnot mean I am accepting or rejecting things, I'm looking at the facts. 9. Before you (and I) go off on another tangent, explain to me the subject matter of karahisar -how do you conside a month of fighting by armed people who belong to an organization that wants to create an Armenian land form Ottoman lands a "genocide". If you recall WACO and David Karesh, those people posed a threat to the security of a nation and were dealt with albeit poorly but they were surrounded by US forces, and things went very wrong - for something as simple as trading arms. These people openely said they wanted to secede and were Armed and supported by the enemy. Now I dont care what your logic is becasue there's only one logic and thats 2+2=4, the rest is theory and conjecture. Armed, uprisign, burning towns, supporting the enemy, openly saying seccesion, attacking supply lines...that only adds to one thing, and it sure isnt some poor schmuck who got unwittingly burned. --Oguz1 18:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

lol

Barev Fedayee jan vonts es ape. Messegt tesa lol amen ankam drank irar het em kharnum u chem jokum vor sxal em grel. Mersi vor asetsir. ROOB323 19:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Joining WikiProject Lebanon

Thanks for inviting me to join WikiProject Lebanon. I am new so I am not sure how to do it. Can you send me instructions? Thanks!!!!

Re:

Yep, also we are all champions and no losses ;-) amazing huh for example vanes, artur and vic. Artaxiad 03:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Same to you! Best, Aivazovsky 18:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Thanks Fedayee same to you. Քրիստոս հարյավ ի մերելոց. ROOB323 19:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan

The arbitration case involving you has closed. The Arbitration Committee has placed you on standard revert parole for a year. This means that you may revert only once per article per week except to revert obvious vandalism. Furthermore, you must explain your reasonings for content reverts on the associated talk page.

You may review the full decision at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 01:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

A report was made about reverting on March Days at WP:AE.

Analysis

• April 11 Grandmaster removes section about muslim allegience , Fedayee re-adds
• April 12 Atabek makes a substantial rewrite , Fedayee reverts most of it

Response I'm going to block for 24 hours. There seems to be some improvement in that the parties are discussing the issues on the talk page, but I feel I need to block for 3 reasons. One, in the current environment changes should be discussed before reverting them, not after; two, I don't want to inadvertantly create an impression of selective enforcement, and three, without strong enforcement, the parties might begin to take additional liberties and the situation could rapidly deteriorate. Thatcher131 14:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)