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	Should we make a table JUST for Light Rail? It doesn't quite seem to fit in the current "MTR Line" one. But it's going to need a lot of effort.
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			== Spinning off the section ] according to ] ==
			The previous edits to spin off #Modified Initial System as its own article (and to expand with more, encyclopaedic details; considering the length of this main article, ''and'', the existing practice for other sections) and to downsize that section according to summary style had met with unexplained edit warring and extensive simple vandalism/overdone reverts by ], among others. No discussion had ever been launched on either talk pages (neither here nor ]). Please state here your concern and valid reason to oppose such an operation, if there's any. Otherwise ] will be adhered to and all such disruptive edits will be reported. Thanks. ] (]) 02:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

			: I didn't carry out any vandalism. Please do not make false accusations. I don't think splitting off Modified Initial System is necessary unless you intend to significantly expand the coverage of that subject. Secondly you need to stop adding links to a so-called "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" unless you can provide evidence that this is a well-established name, as I have asked of you ] – per ]. I also don't understand why you keep adding circular redirects to this nonexistent article. ''']''' (]) 06:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
	] (]) 11:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

			:: BTW I already suggested the alternative names "Tsuen Wan Line immersed tube" or "Modified Initial System immersed tube" since "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" is not an official name nor is it widely used. It also looks clumsy and ungrammatical. ''']''' (]) 06:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
	:My opinion is that '''both''' Airport Express and Light Rail should be separated from the network table, as they have different fare system and network system from the 9 lines. – ]&] 14:39, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

			::: I would concur but these are like neologisms invented by the Wikipedian community. The existing name appears at least in scholastic publications. ] (]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
	== Criticism of MTR==
			::: @Citobun: These names don't exist anywhere else apart from this talk page. ] (]) 13:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
			:::: {{Ping\|Citobun}} Where have you been? ] (]) 13:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

			::: Where did you find these names? ] (]) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
	Read this http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=12&art_id=61468&sid=17571556&con_type=1 (THE STANDARD)--should we add it????
			::I went through the edit history and found that you actually did. Meanwhile that article on the MIS has been expanded quite considerably and I would suppose you too would consider it necessary to have a separate article on that, given your precondition has been fulfilled. ] (]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
			::: Given your precondition has been fulfilled there's so far clear consensus to spin off the section. On the other hand it isn't uncommon for former lines of rapid transit system to have their own articles, e.g., ] of Singapore, the ] in London or the IRT Trunk Line and the Fulton Street Line in the NYC. ] (]) 07:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
			: I found no reason that this shouldn't be carried out. The name of that tunnel isn't quite a relevant point and should be settled separately. ] (]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
			:: Agree. Go to an appropriate venue to discuss the naming issue around the article for that immersed tube tunnel. Its name got nothing directly to do with whether the MIS section warrants a split. Meanwhile would anyone request to unprotect that page? ] (]) 13:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
			: Is this getting anywhere? ] (]) 11:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

			:: Please stop jumping from IP to IP, it makes this discussion extremely hard to follow and probably constitutes ]. ''']''' (]) 05:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

	] (]) 01:15, 13 ~~February~~ ~~2008~~ (UTC)		::: What? ] (]) 13:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
			=== The expanded article ===
			Now that while there's no longer by logical deduction any opposition towards spinning off the section ] and given the spun-off article has been considerably expanded JalenFolf has gone way further to argue not even the redirect is printworthy and removed the R with possibilities tag. The page has also been locked upon their request. They've also proceeded to de-link the redirect to the article section ] from as many as ten articles which amounted to ]. The question would be that whether such disruptions (including, but not limited to Citobun's blanket reverts mentioned above) should be tolerated, and whether the new materials in the expanded article should be incorporated for the being under the MTR § MIS section or should that expanded article be restored. ] (]) 11:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
			: I did wonder why ] had removed the link to the MIS section of the ] article from the ] article. Also 124.217.188.171, I recommend you sign up for an actual wikipedia account. ] (]) 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
			:: Are those edits reverted already? ] (]) 11:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

			::: Please stop jumping from IP to IP, it makes this discussion extremely hard to follow and probably constitutes ]. ''']''' (]) 05:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
	:The so-called "early retirement package" is quite common among Hong Kong enterprises and government departments, so I doubt the need of such information. But I am not against it and I think if someone is gonna include this cite, it worth to open a new section about MTR staff to include their uniform style as well in order to stuff the new section. -- ] (]) 02:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
			:::: What are you talking about? ] (]) 08:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
			: This is simply counterproductive. The content of the enriched article isn't incorporated anywhere. It's like simply scraped. ] (]) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
			:: Cant agree more. ] (]) 08:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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			== Art culture inspired by MTR ==
	I've started a discussion on the MTR-KCR merge at WPHK (so we can have one consolidated discussion about it instead of having the same discussion across the few relevant articles). . ] <small>(] - ])</small> 16:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

			Hi, I believe we should also touch the topic of '''Mosaic Tiles''' in each MTR station (and provide local photos) as it plays a significant role on some of the artworks and inspiration for artists. We should also touch base on other temporary art exhibition in the MTR station.
	After the merger on 2 Dec, should we merge ] with ]?, but, if we do, it's a loss of history. Another important topic is to improve ] since it is important and should attract more attention. ] (]) 05:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
	:Do you mind bringing this up at the WPHK talk page so we have a consolidated discussion? ] <small>(] - ])</small> 07:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

	==Safety on The MTR==
	do you think MTR deserves an article on safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/Safety_on_the_Mass_Rapid_Transit) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== BVE Trainsim ==

	It looks like this isn't actually initiated by MTR itself, and was just created by some train enthusiasts. I propose we remove it. ] <small>(] - ])</small> 05:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
	:Surely. -- ] (]) 06:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
	:* Removed. - ] (]) 08:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

	== ] or ]? ==

	There's an anon insist "correcting" the MTR gauge width standard in ZH version. After 3RR with the resultant full-protection, he finally gives his word in the talk page. Unsurprizingly, no response. As I've witnessed several times the editwar happens again after protected article unprotected. We need some expert to do the judge and prove whether it is standard gauge or narrow gauge. -- ] (]) 09:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

	:According to the article on Hong Kong railways, the MTR runs on 1432 mm
	(≈ 4'8<sup>3</sup>/<sub>8</sub>") gauge, which is 3 mm (≈ <sup>1</sup>/<sub>8</sub>") narrower than standard gauge. I'd call it standard gauge, since I think a few mm of leeway is built into any definition (e.g., a 995 mm railway would probably still be considered meter-gauge). If you want, I suppose you could call it a ]. ] (]) 06:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

	::Is there a reference for why they picked ''near standard gauge'' - to make sure main line trains never can use it? I believe the TTC in Canada did this on some of their tram / trolley lines. ] (]) 06:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::I tend to think it's because of the rolling stock requirement. ] uses narrow gauge, but of course it is a much older railway. --] (]) 06:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

	== 1991 MTR Disruptions ==

	I saw from a TV show on ] about a malfunction in 1991 that took almost the entire MTR network offline, forcing passengers to take other forms of transportation. Can we add that in there after some research? ] (]) 06:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
	: Linky? - ] 16:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

	== Oyster Card Section ==

	I was noticing a problem with one of the references within the last sentence of the second paragraph where it states on other cities that use smart card systems. It states Chicago uses the EasyCard when it uses the Chicago Card smart card. The EasyCard is the system used in Taipei. I'm new to editing so am still unfamiliar how to correct the links (either replacing Chicago for Taipei or EasyCard for Chicago Card) so until I can figure things out if someone can assist with the editing of the links it would be greatly appreciated.

	Chicago Card
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Chicago_Card

	EasyCard
	http://en.wikipedia.org/EasyCard

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	: Fixed! Thank you for noticing and pointing it out! -] <small>]</small> 23:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

	== Ownership ==

	Isn't the MTR not 100% government owned? I don't know the exact percentage of the public ownership vs private (after the merger), but I propose changing the infobox section on its ownership. ] (]) 00:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

	:It is not 100% gov't owned, see here: ]; I believe the HKSAR owns about half of MTR Corp now. -] <small>]</small> 18:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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	== Changes to Kwun Tong line ==

	The article says:

	:Since the opening in 1982, the Tsuen Wan Line is the only line whose alignment has virtually remained the same for the past 23 years. For example, the Kwun Tong Line's alignment has changed twice since its opening — the taking over of Tsuen Wan Line from Mong Kok to Central, and the taking over of Eastern Harbour Crossing section by the Tseung Kwan O Line.

	That cannot be quite right. When I first visited Hong Kong in the late 1980s there was no Eastern Harbour Crossing, but the Tsuen Wan Line was as it is now. The Kwun Tong line ran from Mong Kok to Kwun Tong. Thus there must have been at least three changes to the route of the Kwun Tong line:

	* When the Tsuen Wan line took over the section from Mong Kok to Central
	* When the Kwun Tong line was extended through the new Eastern Harbour Crossing
	* When the Tseung Kwan O line took over the Eastern Harbour Crossing

	There may have been others. I seem to remember that after the Eastern Harbour Crossing opened, the Kwun Tong line's terminus was Quarry Bay, not North Point. -- ] (]) 19:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

	== Freight and inter-city passenger traffic ==
	What happened to the KCRC's freight and inter-city passenger traffic?. The section on the merger would suggest that the MTR took this over, but I can find no reference to it in this article or its line-specific daughter articles.

	The rolling stock summaries make no reference to freight locomotives or longer distance passenger stock. I seem to remember that the KCRC used to own some Swiss-built double-deck inter-city trains, but again there is no reference to these. Has that traffic all gone, is it all operated by railway companies from the north, or is it just missing from this family of articles?. -- ] (]) 19:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

	:I'm not an expert on this topic, but I'm guessing all the same KCRC services still run under MTR, as I'm pretty sure the inter-city trains you mention are the ] trains used on the Hong Kong to ] service. I don't know about freight trains. I agree that this info should be incorporated into the article.] (]) 21:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

	== New article ==

	Should we split the ] into a new article? It would be easier to organise and edit that way, and would make the MTR parent article much clearer to read. ]<sup>(] • ])</sup> 01:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

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	== Stuxnetlike computer bug chaos ==
	October 2018 saw huge disruptions due to Stuxnetlike computer bug hitting the MTR systems, but no official acknowledgement of whether it was ] or otherwise. The malicious Israeli virus Stuxnet, although purportedly designed to target ] bus controllers (] for centifuges), it has spread far beyond. They may simply refer to it as a "bug" rather than make any official statement about foreign meddling. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	: Please provide a citation to a reliable source. Otherwise it appears to be ]. Thank you, ''']''' (]) 09:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

	== Section "The First railroad" ==

	As explained on IP's user page already, I am removing the section on "The First railroad" because the history of the KCR is already covered in the article for ]. MTR originated in the 1960s and 1970s. ''']''' (]) 10:15, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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Spinning off the section Modified Initial System according to summary style

The previous edits to spin off #Modified Initial System as its own article (and to expand with more, encyclopaedic details; considering the length of this main article, and, the existing practice for other sections) and to downsize that section according to summary style had met with unexplained edit warring and extensive simple vandalism/overdone reverts by Citobun, among others. No discussion had ever been launched on either talk pages (neither here nor Talk:Modified Initial System). Please state here your concern and valid reason to oppose such an operation, if there's any. Otherwise Misplaced Pages:BOLD will be adhered to and all such disruptive edits will be reported. Thanks. 219.73.29.243 (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I didn't carry out any vandalism. Please do not make false accusations. I don't think splitting off Modified Initial System is necessary unless you intend to significantly expand the coverage of that subject. Secondly you need to stop adding links to a so-called "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" unless you can provide evidence that this is a well-established name, as I have asked of you repeatedly – per WP:BURDEN. I also don't understand why you keep adding circular redirects to this nonexistent article. Citobun (talk) 06:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

BTW I already suggested the alternative names "Tsuen Wan Line immersed tube" or "Modified Initial System immersed tube" since "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" is not an official name nor is it widely used. It also looks clumsy and ungrammatical. Citobun (talk) 06:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I would concur but these are like neologisms invented by the Wikipedian community. The existing name appears at least in scholastic publications. 124.217.188.171 (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Citobun: These names don't exist anywhere else apart from this talk page. 203.218.155.184 (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Citobun: Where have you been? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 13:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Where did you find these names? 220.246.91.139 (talk) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I went through the edit history and found that you actually did. Meanwhile that article on the MIS has been expanded quite considerably and I would suppose you too would consider it necessary to have a separate article on that, given your precondition has been fulfilled. 124.217.188.171 (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Given your precondition has been fulfilled there's so far clear consensus to spin off the section. On the other hand it isn't uncommon for former lines of rapid transit system to have their own articles, e.g., Branch MRT Line of Singapore, the District Railway in London or the IRT Trunk Line and the Fulton Street Line in the NYC. 124.217.188.171 (talk) 07:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I found no reason that this shouldn't be carried out. The name of that tunnel isn't quite a relevant point and should be settled separately. 124.217.188.171 (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Agree. Go to an appropriate venue to discuss the naming issue around the article for that immersed tube tunnel. Its name got nothing directly to do with whether the MIS section warrants a split. Meanwhile would anyone request to unprotect that page? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Is this getting anywhere? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 11:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Please stop jumping from IP to IP, it makes this discussion extremely hard to follow and probably constitutes Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppetry. Citobun (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

What? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

The expanded article

Now that while there's no longer by logical deduction any opposition towards spinning off the section MTR § MIS and given the spun-off article has been considerably expanded JalenFolf has gone way further to argue not even the redirect is printworthy and removed the R with possibilities tag. The page has also been locked upon their request. They've also proceeded to de-link the redirect to the article section MTR § MIS from as many as ten articles which amounted to disrupting Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point. The question would be that whether such disruptions (including, but not limited to Citobun's blanket reverts mentioned above) should be tolerated, and whether the new materials in the expanded article should be incorporated for the being under the MTR § MIS section or should that expanded article be restored. 124.217.188.171 (talk) 11:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I did wonder why JalenFolf had removed the link to the MIS section of the MTR article from the Wilfrid Newton article. Also 124.217.188.171, I recommend you sign up for an actual wikipedia account. Turini2 (talk) 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Are those edits reverted already? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 11:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Please stop jumping from IP to IP, it makes this discussion extremely hard to follow and probably constitutes Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppetry. Citobun (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

What are you talking about? 203.218.155.184 (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

This is simply counterproductive. The content of the enriched article isn't incorporated anywhere. It's like simply scraped. 220.246.91.139 (talk) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Cant agree more. 203.218.155.184 (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Art culture inspired by MTR

Hi, I believe we should also touch the topic of Mosaic Tiles in each MTR station (and provide local photos) as it plays a significant role on some of the artworks and inspiration for artists. We should also touch base on other temporary art exhibition in the MTR station.

How Hong Kong's MTR stations got their colours | Cathay (cathaypacific.com)

Hong Kong Secret Art: MTR Artworks You've Never Noticed (thebeat.asia) Clcherry (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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