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| == This edit appears to contain some copyvio == | |||
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| "Despite numerous historical precedents for unannounced military action, the lack of any formal warning by Japan, particularly while negotiations were still apparently ongoing, led to ] ] proclaiming December 7, 1941, "]" | |||
| which appears to come from . Comments? ] (]) 08:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Ummm you have that backwards. That page is copying a page on wikipedia. ]. | |||
| I did though forget to edit the summary here about importing the text into the maritime article. Thanks. --] 08:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thanks. That's odd, as I did a time limited search on Google and the Pearl Harbor article didn't come up, but you're absolutely right. Good wording, whoever did it. ] (]) 09:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == not Plagiarism, public domain == | |||
| Some of your recent contributions to ] appear to be direct copying of the source text. Please do not do that. Also John S. Stone was not the president of the AIEEE in 1915 . Thanks, ] 23:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Please read about ]. Thanks. ] 23:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :It is beside the point that the material is public domain. Direct copying is still plagiarism. It should have at least been made clear to the reader that it is direct quotations from the source. In any case, the material is inaccurate, Stone was not president, and most of the rest is largely trivial or irrelevant, going on about the papers Armstrong presented is off-topic for an article about Stone, and it is not particularly in an encyclopaedic style. ] 23:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| No. ] is something different! Works are in the public domain are '''not''' covered by intellectual property rights at all. There is no "wrongful appropriation" here. They are "publicly available". ... anyways, stone was the Stone was the president of the IRE, sorry about the AIEE ... and it's kinda important that stone talked about the papers Armstrong. --] 00:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Picture== | |||
| Hi Reddi,, | |||
| I really love the black and white photo of the sahara from 1908 that you submitted. | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Saraha-1908.png | |||
| I am researching the picture, but i can't find it in any of the World's Work issues online. | |||
| Do you know who the photographer was? | |||
| Where did you get the pic from? did you scan it in? | |||
| I'd love to know which issue it was in. | |||
| Also,,, as you can see from the above link,,, | |||
| the spelling of the word Sahara is wrong. | |||
| Sorry to point this out. | |||
| kind regards | |||
| --] (]) 06:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| It's by ], "American Artist the Sahara". --] 06:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi Reddi i can see u have done a lot of good work, and now i ask u, what about the European Timeline in the Bronze age articel, the European Timeline starts withs the Corded Ware? we need to get the Greek Aegean Bronze age on the timeline it started 3200 BC, i hope we can get it on, it belongs there. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Greek ]? It's in the ], but not in the timeline of the B.A. Article. If one can't do it, I'll see if I can get it in there. --] 01:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello. You added some content to the stub article ] (years ago, I know), and I was wondering where you got the information. The article is unsourced, and I haven't been able to confirm the existence of such a deity in any of my Egyptological sources. I'm concerned that the article may be wrong. The other people who made any significant contribution to the article seem to be gone from WP, so I didn't know who else to ask. ] (]) 19:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Was right after I started contributing, 2003. Long time ago . Don't remember. I'd look up some Public domain encyclopedias ... but I couldn't tell you for sure. I'll look around for ya, if ya want. --] 03:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
| Seems to be ] or ] (]). and ... ... hope this helps ya ... --] 03:26, 8 June 2011 (UTC) ps., Dictionary of Ancient Deities By Patricia Turner, Charles Russell Coulter seems to cite it, but it's a new book , so it could be a source ... pps. could be related to ] (match the Name in hieroglyphs with ). | |||
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| U are very good in wikipedia and now i can se thats in the Atilla article there is a old wrong map of the Empire, its shows Danmark and Angel and Saxony in germany as part of it, but all that knows history will know that these part were newer a part of Hun empire, the maps we use in the articles Huns and Hunnic empire shows the real area the empire had control of. | |||
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| :Just remember, "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." =-] | |||
| Presumably this is supposed to be a quotation from Einstein. I note you give no reference citation, which is not surprising since there is no evidence that Einstein ever said this. It is one of numerous "quotations" attributed to Einstein for which no original source has ever been traced.] ] (]) 07:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| All that I am trying to do is provide the documentation for the inforamtion. Cite works and improve the condition of article. Personally, think it was concurrent dev ... or developed by an unknown third party. Think historically that they gave the edge to Sumer. | |||
| References do and can vary ... but is what is required. Trying to find the best scholarly works and add them. --] 17:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :While there are no end of sourceable claims by authors, do let me know if you ever find an actual tangible artifact with cuneiform writing anywhere near as old as the Narmer Palette. ] /]/ 17:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :: This wouldn't be bad to make explicit ... but give the historical scholarship too. --] 18:00, 19 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::You cited a source from 1906 for the date 3500 BC... heck, in 1906 they thought Sargon of Akkad was before 3000 BC... how about more recent work from CDLIwiki? ] /]/ 18:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Sounds good. And make the 1906 explicit ... like "in 1906 they thought it was 5500 years old (3500 BC)" ... | |||
| :::: And I added the CDLIwiki to the history of writing external links --] 18:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello, you have been ] at ]. ] (]) 21:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| I have quoted the text you posted at ]. I do not feel that this text was appropriate at that discussion page, nor was my reply, so I am replying to you here. | |||
| {{quote|1=This edit need to be rolled back (]) ... should also be re-merged into ] reversing User:Slawekb (sockpuppet, User:Sławomir Biały) ''disruptive'' split off ]] ... and redirected there. | |||
| Text is from 1875 and is in the ] (but, ''for the reader'' put in the citation links). It is also not a copy and paste, as I had to reformat it with math tags, also. --] 23:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ]) stalking my edits] with the talk pages of ] and ] --] 23:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)]}} | |||
| I'm intrigued: how exactly was it disruptive to move this content out of an article that was about functions from a vector space to its ground field (the usual meaning of functional in mathematics)? The definition of "functional notation" is ''completely unrelated'' to that article. This very issue was remarked on at ] by ]. | |||
| Also, I'm more than prepared to answer to any charge of "stalking" that you care to propose. I've contributed in the past to the articles ] and (quite substantially) to ]. I didn't even know it was your edit to ] until after the copyright notice was placed by Wcherowi on my talk page. I had visited this article only because a different editor had placed an inappropriate disambiguation hatnote to the ] article, mentioning ] as a disambiguation target. Finding the latter article a ruin, I moved irrelevant material out to a separate article and did similar housekeeping at the related article ], which was also linked through an inappropriate hatnote. It was only because ''your'' dubious edits happened to appear quite numerously in articles that I have previously had an interest in that I even became aware of the extent of your disruption to the project. | |||
| Ultimately, of course, I did click to check your contributions, but they are too numerous and frequent for me to make any kind of meaningful ] out of it. I can only respond to things which have appeared on my own radar, and I'm willing to be convinced that these were innocent errors, although the above quote does not especially lend credence to this hypothesis. So it seems very likely to me that there's a lot of other stuff you have to answer for. It would clearly be more helpful to the project if you would come clean: | |||
| #What articles have you added references to without systematically examining those references? | |||
| #What articles have you ] content to, without providing ] attribution? (Obviously this is not the same thing as a copyright violation in the sense of ], but it is still a violation of our guidelines, not to mention a basic violation of scholastic ethics.) | |||
| #What articles have you edited without understanding the contents of those articles (e.g., ] would appear to be one). | |||
| —] (]) 00:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| : I am trying to avoid conflict with you ... and avoid articles that you are involved in. Seem that you have a vendete, which doesn't seem surprising from my initial interaction with you. | |||
| : The content I provide mainly ''originates from free sources'' (]). There is no plagiarized; you are just wrong. Also, I do take offense of such slanderous allegation. | |||
| : I also provide plenty of citations (with a link to the original article, book or site); Giving intext, incite, integrity ... so you are wrong there, too | |||
| : Functional (mathematics) should contain the ''functional notation''. | |||
| : Now, I will again state ''I am trying to avoid conflict with you''; Due to your comments to me and actions (and still seen in this present disrespectful comments ). | |||
| : One can edit to prove their point, but Misplaced Pages suffers ... it is depressing, to me atleast, those article will be put back in their weaker state. | |||
| : --] 01:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::Obviously we're having some communication problems: perhaps both with English as a primary language, and culturally with the idea of copying from a non-copyright source. ] is not acceptable, whatever the copyright status of the source. This is the usual convention in most of the western world—although notably not so much in parts of Asia, where copying is considered to be a form of reverence. The English Misplaced Pages, which adheres to the western perspective, is quite clear on this matter (per ]). Even if you copy from a non-copyright source, you are still expected to provided full in-text attribution. If it's a word-for-word copy, it must be in quotation marks. If it's a paraphrase, it should be in the form "According to W.V.D. Hodge and D. Pedoe ...." Hopefully now you understand my concern on the plagiarism issue, and I would like you to announce any articles that you ''might'' have committed a similar infraction. | |||
| ::Items 1 and 3 above are, to me, perhaps more important to ensure reliable contributions, which your recent edits to mathematics-related articles have cast in serious doubt. Have you edited any articles where you didn't understand the context or the content of what you added? ] (]) 01:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::: What part of ''originates from a free source'' that you do not understand? There is no plagiarism. There is no copyright violation. ''Period''. There is ''no'' moral obligation ''nor'' ethical expectation to do as you state for public domain material. | |||
| ::: Now, I do provide links to original works (eg., acknowledging the source) for the reader/audience, even of PD material; But this is a courtesy to the reader, not of some other issue. Copyright-expired, or in the public domain for other reasons, material from public-domain sources ''is'' welcomed on Misplaced Pages. As to the <u>guideline</u> is that the material is attributed. I do this many times in the form of a reference citation (as stated before), but the guideline is ''not'' a policy . Anyways ... | |||
| ::: I do try to my utmost follow the rules of ], ], and ]; and try to use PD material . | |||
| ::: Lastly, your continued disrespectful comments (sic. "with English") seem to me as trolling; so we are done here unless you want to be more respectful and constructive. --] 02:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::: I'm sorry, but as English is not my first language, I sometimes have trouble with various colloquialisms, and I hope that you forgive if my ignorance of the nuances of your beautiful language come across as "trolling". The intent of my comment was to reflect on my own poor command of the idioms of English, and the subtleties of its opulent grammar, rather than to denigrate your own command of the vernacular. While you could argue that "there is no moral obligation nor ethical expectation to do as you state for public domain material", indeed this is not so in many countries where I have worked as a professional writer and academic, including Poland, Germany, France, Italy, the United Kingdom, the United States, and (briefly) Australia. | |||
| :::: In spite of this, I am willing to accept for the purposes of argument, presumptively based on your assurances to this effect, the notion that in the complement of these nations, it is perfectly morally acceptable to copy the exact words of others without explicitly indicating, through the use of quotation marks or other such unambiguous device, who originally wrote those words. However, morality aside, it actually is a ] that we should not copy directly from sources without the use of quotation marks, and nor should we closely paraphrase sources without '''in-text''' attribution. | |||
| :::: When it comes to public domain sources, obviously you can plagiarize to your heart's content on your personal website, Facebook, etc. But when you're writing a term paper, publishing a paper, or, for that matter, writing an ''encyclopedia'', there are clear rules about attribution that need to be followed. | |||
| :::: Also, I hope you realize that CC-BY-SA is not the same as public domain. It's actually illegal to copy CC-BY-SA material without explicit attribution (in jurisdictions that recognize the license). Special templates are for CC-BY-SA import of content into Misplaced Pages, indicating that such content was ''incorporated into'' the article. ] (]) 03:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::: ''This is trolling''. | |||
| ::: You ''cannot'' plagiarize on a personal website, Facebook, etc. ... Such statement that one can do this (legally, ethically, and/or morally) is idiocy. To believe that one can, calls into serious doubt your capabilities of understanding the relevant concepts. | |||
| ::: You apparently do not, or will not, understand ] and there is no plagiarism with public domain material. The intellectual property rights have been forfeited and/or have expired and/or are inapplicable! | |||
| ::: Maybe you have a misunderstanding of "public material" (that which is not 'public domain' and only publicly available) and "public domain material". There is a difference. I try to use 'public domain' material; material published before 1923 anywhere in the world. | |||
| ::: CC-BY-SA is not the same as public domain, ''that'' is why I mention it; and do try to follow that license. I'll review my edits and make sure cited any ''internal'' Misplaced Pages material properly, as that is the only CC-BY-SA material that would have been used. "Copying content (including text, images, and citations) from one Misplaced Pages article to another or from one language Misplaced Pages to another is not plagiarism", as per ]. | |||
| ::: Please refrain from further interacting with me, unless absolutely necessary. --] | |||
| ::::Plagiarism and copyright are not the same thing. See the guideline ] for how to import public domain material without plagiarizing it. Proper attribution ''must'' be given. ] (]) 13:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: One cannot plagiarize ] material. Nonsense.--] 13:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: That's a serious misconception that needs to be corrected. Any academic caught copying the work of others as their own would be subject to sanctions for plagiarism, regardless of the copyright status of the work. ] (]) 14:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: "For all practical purposes on Misplaced Pages, the public domain comprises copyright-free works: anyone can use them ''in any way'' and ''for any purpose''." (Misplaced Pages:Public domain) | |||
| :::::: I do provide attribution via a citation to comply with relevant policies; but not because of any notion of a ''plagiarism'' guideline (Guidelines are only suggestions), but do so for ''no original research''. | |||
| :::::: Misplaced Pages is not academia nor a classroom. You are not a professor here grading papers. If I was writing an academic paper or for academia, I would construct and use the material differently. It's really that simple. | |||
| :::::: Anyways, one cannot plagiarize public domain material. It's saying one is plagiarizing "1+1=2" without a citations. Nonsense. --] 14:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Congratulations, you have successfully read the first sentence of the ] policy. Do you not comprehend the second sentence of that policy? ] (]) 15:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::A browse through your edit history shows that in fact you ''quite routinely'' internally copy CC-BY-SA content without any attribution. This is not only a violation of the license, but a serious breach of editorial trust. ] (]) 03:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::And something for which we've blocked editors in the past who wouldn't stop. Some diffs would be useful. ] (]) 08:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: includes text from ] and ]. includes material from somewhere else ( here it appears in a column from 2011, though I won't rule out the possibility that this is a Misplaced Pages mirror). includes material from ] and ]. includes content from ]. includes content from ]. includes content from ]. includes material from ]. These are just examples from the past few weeks (!), but I suspect even more from that time period alone. (And this is excluding edits like and that copy public domain sources without attribution—I leave aside the question of whether it is wise to cite as authoritative a source from 1922 on the use of advertising slogans for social control.) | |||
| ::::::::I have noticed that some edits more closely grammatically resemble Reddi's semiliterate posts on this page (broken English, poor grammar, etc.), possibly indicating original authorship. Most of the rest seems to have been copied from elsewhere on Misplaced Pages or from a public domain source, in all cases without appropriate attribution. ] (]) 14:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
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