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Stations in general

Hi Lewis!

Regarding the Wilkinson Street AFD. I am not really sure what to make of tram stations, my redirect !vote on the said AFD was mostly a way of dodging the entire problem by saying something about the article's quality instead of the subject. For instance, I do think that stations on the LACMTA Blue Line (light rail) are just as notable as the stations on LACMTA Red Line (heavy rail), even though the former arguably qualifies as "tram stops" while the latter are "subway stations". Then again, a number of the tram stops on Oslotrikken are little more than a sign and bench on the sidewalk, and hardly any more notable than your average bus stop. But on that same tram system there are some lines (the Ekeberg and Lilleaker lines) which run on a separate track and which do have fuller stations.

I don't know for sure what your position is on subway stations, although I think you like to keep those! If you look at my list of new articles, the majority of them right now are about stations on the Oslo T-bane, indeed the most recent one is about the smallest station on the entire network, and incredibly, is one where there were comparatively many interesting factoids.

Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Priestfield tram stop

I see you have nominated Priestfield tram stop for deletion. I created this page about three months ago whilst I was trying to sort out the disambiguation page, Priestfield. I can't add anything more to the article - but almost all the other stops on the Midland Metro Line 1 have articles, and there seem to be a lot of editors keen to contribute to train and tram articles. CarolGray 20:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that most tram stops are merely raised platforms, and hence no (or at least little) different from bus stops. I prod-ed it, but another editor has since AfD. Obviously some people do not agree with you. Since I see very little room for expansion, I though delete was the best option.

I recently prod-ed all the NET stop articles, and all but two were deleted, one now under AfD and looking like being deleted. Sadly, I feel this is how these will go.

I had the same idea with Supertram, and was in the process of creating articles, but was told that these were more appropriate on wikitravel.

L.J.Skinner_WOT?| 21:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I nominated the Priestfield tram stop article for deletion on the basis of St Paul's tram stop having been listed for deletion before, and as part of the relevant Midland Metro stops for deletion. Tinlinkin 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, an article about a station is not in itself a directory nor an indiscriminiate collection of information. You were probably thinking about the collection of articles, which need to be considered together, and a prod seems to consider one article only. But the single-sentenced articles (in most of these cases) would likely be a better criteria for deletion. And since there was a previous discussion on deletion, a prod would probably be contested, anyway. Tinlinkin 21:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your explanation. I see what you're saying. L.J.Skinner_WOT?| 21:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheffield Ring Road

Is anything likely to link to it? It seemed like an unneeded disambiguation page since Sheffield (disambiguation) exists already. Angela. 00:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll undelete it then, but you might want to consider merging the two into the same page rather than making a disambiguation page. Angela. 01:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

L.J.Skinner

Please ask your bot not to mess with my userpage. L.J.Skinner_WOT?| 04:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude, calm down please. All bots make mistakes. I'm sorry, and will make sure that bug is fixed. —Mets501 (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I was joking dude! Sorry, I'm aware my sense of humour isn't the best! L.J.Skinner_WOT?| 13:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Great! You never know, userboxes is a very heated topic of debate. —Mets501 (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other editors

I would have let this edit pass without comment, but that your subsequent edits suggest that you seem unaware that what you wrote is not an acceptable part of the courteous discussion that is required during disputes at Misplaced Pages. As such, please familiarise yourself with the content of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Thanks, —JeremyA 18:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You are partially correct. It is not so much that I am unaware, more that I disagree. Having read WP:NPA, I would not say that my comments were an example of this, although unacceptable under WP:CIV. I was asking the editor to take a more balanced look at the world around him/her and the information sources I'd tried to provide.

The arguement was essentially about whether or not a square was part of a city centre gateway. I provided lots of evidence that it would, s/he countered only with (paraphrasing) "that evidence doesn't count", but providing no reasons why, nor evidence to the contrary.

Furthermore, following the offending comment from myself, I tried to continue the discussion about the article, whereas s/he tried to continue discussing the alleged personal attack - violating WP:NPA#Initial optons, which states: Frequently, the best way to respond to an isolated personal attack is not to respond at all.

Lastly, I note that WP:CIV#examples states Judgmental tone in edit summaries ("fixed sloppy spelling", "snipped rambling crap") are unacceptable. I allowed his/her comment (earlier in the discussion) The Gateway is to the side of Sheaf Square and not part of it. the Gateway is between the station and Sheaf Square but part of neither. You've taken the blurry night picture, you should know. to go unpunished. Indeed, I totally ignored it per WP:NPA#Initial optons. Why is s/he unable to do likewise and feels a need to go running to admins screaming "Please take action". Does this not come under WP:CIV#examples - Calling for bans or blocks? Does s/he get preferential treatment to me due to his/her longevi as an editor? L.J.Skinner_WOT?| 19:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I would say that telling someone that they have their head up their arse is a pretty good example of commenting on the user and not the content. However you are correct that I treated you and Captain scarlet differently because I know you both—had any other editor left that message on anyone else's user talk page I would have reverted the edit and sent a {{Npa2}} warning. However, although I saw your edit pretty much at the time that you made it, I chose to ignore it because my past experience of the two of you made me think that you would work things out without intervention.

You will notice from my talk page that when Captain scarlet left his first message there I refused his request to intervene and suggested instead that he try to compromise with you. Note also that Captain scarlet did not call for me to block you, and I did not block you (however, the segments that you quote from WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL do not mean that you should expect to be able to make personal attacks and have them ignored). I would actually have sent you the message that I left earlier today regardless of anything that Captain scarlet did—that message was not inspired by the personal attack, or Captain scarlet's message, but rather because in your subsequent edits you denied being un-civil, which you clearly were.

Moving more on-topic I actually think that you are both right, and therefore both wrong in the wording being used on the Sheaf Square article. It looks to me that it should be fairly easy to find a compromise wording if you were to work with each other rather than against each other. It might be worth you both realising that—as you both seem to be at Misplaced Pages to stay, and you are interested in the same subject areas—finding a way to work collaboratively rather than fighting would be the best way to achieve the common goal of making the Sheffield-related Misplaced Pages articles as good as they can be. —JeremyA 23:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What was true one month ago is still true, please refrain from using colourful language or If your behaviour does not change I'll have to report you to see this end. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Kelham Island article

Just been cleaning up this site and adding bits to it. The spelling was atrocious. Can I suggest you run a quick spell check before saving a page. The most up to date version of Mozilla Firefox has a spell check function as part of the browser that you may find useful. Bradleyspencer1983 21:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Sheffield United F.C. Squad

Template:Sheffield United F.C. Squad has 2 stray symbols - |} - I can't see why. roundhouse 18:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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• This document contains copyrighted copy pasted data from Scheme Plan (pdf, 3.3Mb). Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

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• Original document may be found Scheme Plan (pdf, 3.3Mb) Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Cuckoo in the nest!

At least you can see my point! All the others on the Cat page list I am rabbiting on about are 'dedicated' refs (well, maybe not the dead ones - short-sighted B*st*rd, Herbert Bamlett, etc. - I believe they could have a semi-pro go at management and reffing in the same lifetime in them days, but not now). Professional Match Board officials go through a rigorous process to get them to the very top in the modern era.

And there's also an ironic aspect to this subject (Neil and his record of 'mateyness' with today's Prem refs? And invading their Wiki list to boot? Priceless!). Cheers. Refsworldlee 23:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bramall lane

It wasn't to do with references, those sentences are kind of confusing and unclear. M3tal H3ad 07:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I meant to ask what is confusing about the sentence "The ground has been all seated since 1994" or "The oldest present stand". The referencing was a separate point - I asked why you thought that "most boisterous home fans sit..." was WP:OR. If you could explain what you mean so I can fix the article, and then I'd appreciate your advice. L.J.Skinner 17:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the article needs a map/diagram, showing the orientation of the ground, the goals, the 4 roads which are its boundaries etc, with the various corners and stands labelled. Perhaps this would reduce some of the confusion apparent to M3tal H3ad. -- roundhouse 10:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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• I have had to place a delete notification on your plan recently uploaded on Misplaced Pages as it seems that the image's background is copyrighted and licensed content from Google maps taken at the largest zoom rating. When creating images and claiming the own work license please make sure the content is entirely made by you and does not contain usuable parts, cheers. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 08:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it was predictable that the Mysterons would intervene. The plan was a valuable addition. -- roundhouse 10:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Off topic Pc1dmn, the plan idea is excellent, but ripping off Google Maps is not. Rules apply, no discrimination. However, targetted remarks such as yours above have no place here, i suggest you polish your understanding of Misplaced Pages policies before intervening. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Please, there is a place for this kind of shit, and my talk page is not it. L.J.Skinner 15:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Be careful!

I think you missed by one edit with this reversion. All fixed now, just wanted to let you know though. —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 09:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ooops! That was embarassing! Thanks L.J.Skinner 15:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: user:Bluedevil04

I reverted a bunch of his edits, and I have been watching for more with my finger hovering over the block trigger. However, I just saw that someone else has blocked him. —JeremyA (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Your user page

Hi. Reverted vandalism to your userpage by 81.111.53.69‎, who you warned for doing the same to Paddy Kenny. Left him/her a final warning. Cheers. Refsworldlee(eds) 23:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

MML etc

I can see you had some problems with trying to decide which line goes where. I have sorted this out now. If you want to try to design templates like the one on the Midland Main Line, see WP:TRAIL. If you are interested in UK railways, why not join WP:Rail? Simply south 11:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

See reply ont the template talk page. Simply south 18:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Stop

Why did you revert my changes to the Cavegirl page? I will revert it back. Cls14 19:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Please, use references, not embedded links L.J.Skinner 04:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Next time please ask me before going around deleting all of what I wrote. Cls14 19:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not delete all of what you wrote, and please note that you cannot claim ownership of what you write on wiki, per WP:OWN, which states, "You cannot stop everyone in the world from editing "your" stuff, once you have posted it to Misplaced Pages. As each edit page clearly states:

"If you don't want your material to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. (emphasis added)"

But again, please use wiki convention for referencing - see WP:REF L.J.Skinner 04:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox UK place

For the explanation see Template talk:Infobox UK place. MRSC • Talk 10:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

try Template talk:Infobox England place. Concensus was keep, therefore I see no reason not to use it. L.J.Skinner 14:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not only inflamatory, and highly incivil, but rather childish. Those templates should never be used for content disputes, but for clear cases of vandalism (in which case you should use {{test1}}, assume good faith and contact the user for an explanation anyway).

With regards to this, the Sheffield Infobox has not escaped deletion (it is almost certain it will within the next few hours), and so you're asserting a falsification.

I wasn't talking about the Sheffield infobox. Please, try not to insert false claims where they do not exist L.J.Skinner 14:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

With your reversions, let me tell you that there are a grand total of 6 of the old England infoboxes in use on article space. Yes 6 - you're the only guy in the entire UK trying to use this space wasting, repetative, superceded template. Good call. Jhamez84 02:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

There are/were six articles using the England place infobox because you made it that way, there is however no justification for that state in the first place. The TfD of England Infobox is proof you do not have worldwide support. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 10:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Notice As a courtesy, you may wish to note this item on the Administrator's Noticeboard.  DDStretch  (talk) 15:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

jay brannan

why did you revert my edits?--24.19.3.231 04:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

It was unfounded, there was no referencing and it was potentially defamatory. L.J.Skinner 01:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

well then tell me what to do, instead of deleting it. what references can i use - youtube.com? and how was it defamatory?--24.19.3.231 05:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to delete potentially liabilous content. It was defamatory because there was no evidence of his sexuality. The way it was written appeared to be vandalism:-

I suggest that "Jay Brannan is an American singer/songwriter and actor. He is gay." would be better written

"Jay Brannan is a homosexual<refname=gay>insert proof of sexuality here</ref> American singer/songwriter and actor."

You should know what you can and cannot write from wiki's user help pages. I'd like to suggest you familiarise yourself with WP:REF and WP:BLP. L.J.Skinner 11:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

South Yorkshire map

I'll be happy to look into this once the England and Sheffield infoboxes are converted over. Regards, Jhamez84 17:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick point/question - mapping appears to be being requested and rolled out according to ceremonial county. How well of an established and well used geographic reference frame is the Sheffield City Region? Would a map for South Yorkshire or the SCR be most useful to readers? Jhamez84 17:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no such legal entity such as Sheffield region. Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

South Yorkshire it shall be then. Jhamez84 18:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Would you like another argument or are you going to wait? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 18:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

WTF? Is that a threat for offering to help create a map? If this persists I'm taking this further - this is not the way to treat users. Jhamez84 21:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry you see it that way. You see, when you started this mass implementation of UK infobox, I told you, concert first. Now you're doing it again with this. You know how it's going with Uk infobox, do you want the same argument with this? I certainly don't, please ask more than one person before. Who's threatening who? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I've never had any arguements, with any user - that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to speak to Lewis as he's made a request with me, so please allow him to speak to me, rather than jump in and bully me away from discussions. Jhamez84 21:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm telling you, politely, I didn't accept UK place infobox before and I won't with the map. Yes this is Lewis' talkpage, but would you prefer I used your talkpage? Export this this to WP:Sheff where it belongs so that you won't tell this isn't the place mmmh? Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 21:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Lewis, if you'd like to continue your discussion, please feel free to do so. Jhamez84 21:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, yes I'm still interested. Can you have a go (South Yorks rather than Sheffield Region if is has to be) and I'll take a look and match it up with my geography of the region :) L.J.Skinner 19:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (people)#Regarding notability of Football (soccer) players

Hi, seeing you are interested in football this is an invitation to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! StephP 20:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem

I've just made maps (linked) for the West Midlands, and Cheshire. South Yorkshire is next on my list, followed by West Yorkshire - might have SY done by the evening! Jhamez84 11:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see the Sheffield WikiProject talk page. I didn't take any time at all to produce (I'm getting used to the process now!). Thanks for the contact. Jhamez84 14:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I haven't forgot about a Sheffield City Region map. I've seen the source material, and it is possible to produce. I'll see what I can do in the next few days. Jhamez84 01:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes on Sheffield districts

Hi Lewis, would you take a look at the discussion that I started at WP:SHEFF on what form of infobox (or other) to use on Sheffield districts. I am trying to establish consensus before we move forward. Thanks, —Jeremy (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Your inappropriate use of the South Yorkshire local map on articles for places in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire

I have reverted these maps as the places you edited are not in South Yorkshire, and the caption to the local map is incorrect for them. Misplaced Pages must be factual and verifiable, and it is verifiable that the various places I have reverted are not in South Yorkshire. If you feel the general map is not clear enough, the correct way to proceed is to request a local map for Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire. If you disagree with this, pleae take it to discussion on the talk page for the relevant infobox. In the meantime, your edits are introducing incorrect information that you must know is incorrect into wikipedia, and could be construed, if you continue without discussion, as disruption.  DDStretch  (talk) 23:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see that assuming good faith is still commonplace on wikipedia! L.J.Skinner 01:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I used the form of words "could be construed" which clearly indicates that if your continued without discussion, absense of good faith might be assumed. It does not mean that I was assuming it at that point. However, given that you continued to revert the changes until an admind started to intervene, I think it was becoming justified that your actions were becoming suspect. Althopugh I am not saying i9t now, you need to be careful, unless people begin to think of your of deliberately "playing the rules" to take them right to the limit in order to then make sniping comments about other people's behaviour.  DDStretch  (talk) 09:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

And yet again, you are assuming bad faith. "However, given that you continued to revert the changes until an admind (sic) started to intervene, I think it was becoming justified that your actions were becoming suspect". No, I did not stop when an admin intervened - or at least not because, I stopped when I saw these messages on my talk page. These edits to Killamarsh and Eckington, Derbyshire were made before I'd read these messages, as I had made them, then the server went down for maintenance, and when I'd saved the edits, realised I'd had new messages from your good self and Jhamez84 (talk · contribs).

As for "sniping comment", what the hell do you call that message you just left me? You seem to be accusing me of disruptive behaviour solely for the purpose of insulting other editors! Surely a rather thinly-veiled attack on myself (does WP:NPA mean nothing?)

And also, do you think it would have been cute to inform me of Template_talk:Infobox_UK_place#Using inappropriate local maps? Surely if there is a problem, notification ought to have been placed on my talk page so that I may have an opportunity to defend myself? Some of these edits smack of an inability to communicate with another human being, so instead running off to the bigger boys to get some help.

Incidentally, what was

"I feel that he is pushing it to a 3RR situation and not discussing the matter, and so, given that he is not a new user, I suggest that these latest, or further changes should be flagged as disruptive." all about? and why is

"(Incidentally, he also changed the map for Chester to use a local map that is not yet ready, and I reverted that a day or so ago.)" relevant? L.J.Skinner 10:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

If you feel you have a legitimate complaint about my actions, please feel free to take it to the relevant adminsitrator's noticeboard or other legitimate forum.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I quote, below, some relevant text from WP:AGF:

This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary. Actions inconsistent with good faith include repeated vandalism, confirmed malicious sockpuppetry, and lying. Assuming good faith also does not mean that no action by editors should be criticized, but instead that criticism should not be attributed to malice unless there is specific evidence of malice. Editors should not accuse the other side in a conflict of not assuming good faith in the absence of reasonable supporting evidence.

 DDStretch  (talk) 10:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not that petty - I am man enough to sort out any disputes in private - without the need for third parties. As for your quote above, please show me this alleged "evidence to the contrary"! I made a clear statement in my edit summary that I felt the SY map showed better the relationships of these towns to the local area (admittedly "Shown within South Yorkshire" was misleading, but I felt I was going for the lesser of two evils) and as soon as I got the messages that it was contentious, I desisted. I have yet to receive an apology from you for your rampant false conclusions, wild accusations and attempted character assassination, nor even have I had an acknowledgement that you even believe this may have been a misunderstanding! L.J.Skinner 19:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I assume from you failure to respond to the above for 4 days, that you apologise unreservedly, and agree that I am indeed 100% correct. You admit full responsibility for taking a good faith as bad faith, and you promise not to do so again. I, in turn, graciously accept your admission of guilt on the counts of rampant false conclusions, wild accusations and attempted character assassination. Thank you, and let this be the end of it. L.J.Skinner 12:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Shown within South Yorkshire

Hi again Lewisskinner.

Just a line about the local mapping in the UK infobox place - it was the intention of the project (inline with the county naming conventions) that we use a local map only if the settlement formed a consistuent part of that maps intended territory.

Your edits to articles about settlements outside of SY are causing a little stir amongst some editors, as the infobox states clearly "Shown within South Yorkshire", and is against the intentions of the infobox roll-out. It is my intention to create local county maps for each part of England, but as I'm sure you can appreciate, this takes time. I'd be more than happy to work on maps for areas south of South Yorkshire (Notts etc), though in the meantime, in my opinion, it would be more prudent and less contentious to use the default UK map until I can upload newer versions.

Any questions, feel free to get in touch of course. Jhamez84 23:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies, User:Ddstretch beat me to it - I didn't realise sorry. Jhamez84 23:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Urban areas

I have reverted your moves of Tyneside, Teesside and Greater Belfast and somebody else has reverted your move of Greater Glasgow. I can find no evidence that these are official names for the areas. They appear to be in the format commonly used by ONS, but ONS do not appear to use those names for those particular areas. Misplaced Pages has to report things how they are, not make up terms. Joe D (t) 14:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was just rather annoyed by the formulaic approach you took to the situation which didn't seem to take into account the fact that the pages were not all primarily about ONS areas, or that they weren't even named by ONS in that format. I have reverted your move to Dearne Valley again because it ignored the fact that only a tiny amount of the article was about the ONS area, and the ELs showed it to be called "Dearne Valley" by everyone else. Renaming it gives undue weight to the ONS area: when every person who lives there called it "Dearne Valley" and every organisation named after it omits the "urban area" from their name (including "official" places like "Dearne Valley College" and "Dearne Valley Leisure Centre"), that fact is more notable than the name and boundary given by a minor government agency for occasional statistic analysis. Joe D (t) 10:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Dore sta + satelite

According to satelite, it is on a branch seperate to the MML tracks. See here. Simply south 22:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I have placed this in the discussion. Simply south 13:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, thank you for your response. L.J.Skinner 07:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Pettiness indeed

Your Lewisskinner/trollbox page is being discussed at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Bad-faith_user_page. As an act of good faith, I suggest you request its deletion. I don't see that any good can come from it. Regards, Ben Aveling 11:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)